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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Darkoath on 13 September 2007, 09:18:09 PM
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Does anyone have any pictures of Newline Designs 28mm Napoleonic Naval range? With all the great rules sets out or soon coming out I am looking to get a crew together for my pirates to fight! :D
The listing is pretty nice but there were no pictures and also no pictures of these in the gallery.
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Sorry no pictures, but I do have a question.
What exactly did RN [or French/Spanish] naval crews look like at the end of the 17thC?
I'm guessing not too different from the less piratical looking pirates?
I've just realised that I have plenty of pirates, but no Government troops yet. Marines are no problem, but the sailors may be.
Cheers,
Ian
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Sailors would look like sailors, whether they were on a King's ship or were pirates.
They would be indistinguishable. There were no uniforms for ordinary seamen then, and what pirates wore was the standard seaman's dress. It wasn't a "pirate uniform" as people think of it today (and you can hire from fancy dress shops).
But manufacturers do tend to make many of their pirates "fantasy" ones, they somehow look how we expect pirates to look, with piratey touches slapped on with a trowel. Those sort probably wouldn't look very good on a King's ship.
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Thanks, Plynkes, that was exactly what I was hoping for!
I have plenty of more soberly dressed & equipped pirate figures, so they should do the trick :)
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For British Marines would models for the American War of Independence work? I've no idea how much uniforms changed but (to my eyes) they look a lot like the red coats from PotC (not the most reliable "historically accurate" source material I know, but all I have to go by...)
(http://www.army.mod.uk/img/ddli/uniform_of_british_soldier_during_this_period.jpg)
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Not for the 17th Century, no. But of course, if your campaign is a Hollywood romp kind of affair (like the Johnny Depp pictures) then this kind of thing is a trifling detail that we shouldn't lose sleep over.
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Here are some sailor miniatures that "look" like sailors, same as how pirate miniatures "look" like pirates:
Outpost Conquistadors range
http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/images/Web%20Photos/masters/sailors1.jpg
http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/images/Web%20Photos/masters/sailors2.jpg
Old Glory:
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=OGP%2D14
Black Cat Bases:
http://www.blackcatbases.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=117&CAT_ID=117&P_ID=555&btnProduct=Products...
Forthcoming from Eureka are some conquistador-era Portuguese sailors. These might be available already, if you contact them by e-mail (though when I tried it about a month ago, they gave me the cold shoulder (grumble grumble)). For now, you can view them if you join the Practical Soldier Yahoo Group (a group dedicated to European 16th century colonial conflicts) and go to the "Eureka's Portuguese" photo album.
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Not for the 17th Century, no. But of course, if your campaign is a Hollywood romp kind of affair (like the Johnny Depp pictures) then this kind of thing is a trifling detail that we shouldn't lose sleep over.
I was going to ask if there was any chance you can point me in the right direction of a more realistic 17th Royal Marine uniform. Then I thought I'd look myself first and found wikipedia's History of the Royal Marines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Royal_Marines). It seems that there was no such thing until 1661.
The name "Marines" first appeared in official records in 1672. The Regiment was very distinct, being dressed in yellow rather than the red of the other Regiments until 1685.
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I guess I'll be sticking with the "fantasy" red coats then! :lol:
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I think we are all talking different periods
18th Century or the Tricorne/Mitre period figures
and Laterly the Napoleonic period - Newline and Britannia Miniatures
16th Century - the more Swashbuckler Conquistador period.
I have used WSS Front Rank French for my Generic Marines and gone for the Tricorne for that bit of POTC look. I paint job in blue or grey makes them usable for a number of nations or making my own:lol:
I use the Old Glory European crew and their gun crew are fine too
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THis is a napoleonic (think master and commander) marine
(http://www.replastic.com/photos/Bts/mym01.JPG)
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Royal Marine in 1770s-1780s
(http://www.militarybadges.info/brits/images/uniforms/01-marine.jpg)
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For my part I'm not speaking of any period aside from the "swashbuckling period" in it's most general definition. Personally I have no qualms about mixing conquistador sailors with early 18th century ones. Marines are another matter, but I was only speaking of sailors.
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This is the earliest image I could find of marines, from the 1740s:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/marines.jpg)
Still outside the Buccaneer or Pirate ages really, but nearer to it than anything else we've yet seen.
(And I think "Treasure Island" is set around this time.)
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I tend to paint my government sailors a bit more "regulation" even during the Buccaneer period, just because that appeals to my aesthetic sense, not because it makes historical sense. But Polynikes is completely correct in that you couldn't tell a pirate from an honest sailor when they were in port.
Also Marlburian-era tricorne soldiers are your answer for Royal Marines. Their general style goes the longest and they're easier to paint than the fancy baggy uniforms of the SYW.
EDIT: Also, tweaking the noses of the Proper Era Uniform Police is kind of fun.
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Sorry Rhoderic got side tracked :oops:
Yep the baggy 3/4 lerngth trousers an open shirt is the way to go
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No worries, I know you weren't directing that comment at anyone in particular. I just meant to point out that in the kind of Hollywood-esque fantasy version of the 17th century that I think most of us play, it really doesn't matter if your sailors originally came from a conquistador range or an 18th century one :)
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In that case the Foundry Sea Dogs and Eureka Portuguese (you can roder these Driect from Nic even though not released I did for my Conquiistadors) would be fine and are quite unifomr in appearance. I use the Foudnry ones as UYorkshire militia for fighting my E lizabethan Irish :)
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Here is a good link for all thing piraty though older ranges it doesn`t include B Scorpion, Artizan, Crusader, Black Cat
http://www.frothersunite.com/files/wk/sc/pirates/pirates1/pirates.htm
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Eureka Portuguese (you can roder these Driect from Nic even though not released I did for my Conquiistadors)
That's what I tried. Their reply, as I interpreted it, was that I'd just have to wait for the range to be officially released. I guess I'm not allowed to sit in the "cool kids" table :?
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Did you try sexy dancing? Show Nic a bit of leg.
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Surprised at that :o response
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Surprised at that :o response
Why? He doesn't have the miniatures. It's not like he can make things worse. :lol:
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No I meant Nics response :D I wish I was in the in crowd I would love some of the discontinued minis :love:
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It might be I just misinterpreted them. When I first contacted them about it, I wasn't entirely sure what to ask for (all I'd seen were some pictures of "Portuguese" in a Yahoo Group photo album) so I enquired if they could tell me a bit about the range, like what exact miniatures were available and how much they cost. This was where they wouldn't help me, and I just rather got the impression they were saying the range wasn't being sold yet, and I was cheeky to even ask.
Anyway, they also said the range would be up in the webstore in a few months, and since I wasn't really in a hurry to get them, I decided to just wait it out.
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What I did was took the phtos from Chronofus website and siad I would have one of each :0). There werent so many as there are now however.
http://www.chronofus.net/php/viewtopic.php?t=509
I even managed to get some of the butterfly back banners cast up, so probably a mixed message.
When they are released I would be easier for you to have them posted form Fighting 15s I think which is where I got my Aztecs from.
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This is the earliest image I could find of marines, from the 1740s:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/marines.jpg)
Still outside the Buccaneer or Pirate ages really, but nearer to it than anything else we've yet seen.
(And I think "Treasure Island" is set around this time.)
For late 17th and early 18th Century British marines you can use these Foundry packs MB27 and MB28 from the Marlburian line. (Not vouching for accuracy, since I haven't read any uniform descriptions, just noting what Foundry claims the figures can be used for.)
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/MARLBURIAN/4/index.asp
It's probably worth checking Front Rank, Dixon, Old Glory, and Irregular Marlburian lines for any similar grenadiers with a low cloth hat. Those Foundry packs hurt from a price standpoint, but Foundry seems to be running a 20% off special every few weeks, including right now.
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Old Glory has British marines in its pirate line, pack OGP-31, that match the picture posted by Plynkes above:
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=OGP%2D31
These Marlburian grenadiers from Old Glory, pack MW-21, should work for earlier British Marines:
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MW%2D21
Depending on how early you want to set your scenarios, you might want to cut off the socket bayonets.
I'm not sure if these Dixon Marlburian British grenadiers have the low cloth hat or the high cloth miter, because, unfortunately, there isn't a picture:
http://www.dixonminiatures.co.uk/dixoncatalogue.asp?maintype=28
But the best of the lot might be these Front Rank Marlburian British grenadiers:
http://www.frontrank.com/images/wss/british/infantry/bs13_14lg.jpg
But be warned that the Front Rank figures are big, bulky, and beautiful. They might overwhelm your pirates by weight and good looks alone!
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If you are interested in getting some late 17th Century garrison or embarked soldiers generally, not just British marines, then I would recommend the Dixon Grand Alliance range:
http://dixonminiatures.co.uk/dixoncatalogue.asp?maintype=11
The hats are mostly the broad brimmed type popular in the 17th Century, rather than the tricorne hats of the 18th Century. There is a great mix of matchlocks and flintlocks, some with plug bayonets. There is also a great mix of poses. The rebel levy guys might look interesting. I have only about 10 Dixon figures myself, but they really look great in the bare lead. As I am not German, they remain unpainted. :? but one of my prolific painter friends has painted up some of these Dixons for use with buccaneer era piriates, and those look fantastic.
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Nice work, Warrenbruhn. A lot of options there. I'd never noticed those Foundry Marines before.
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I have a booklet somewhere on William IV' s army. There is a regiment [forget the name & can't find the book at present :( ] in there which wore red coats, with yellow facings, breeches & stockings with the "pre-tricorne" floppy hat typical of the 1690s. They ar specifically mentioned as being , if not marines, at least soldiers serving on ships.
I'll try & find it to check on the details.
Cheers,
Ian
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Actually I was just kinda hoping someone would post some photos of the New Line Designs 28mm Naval range. :(
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Oops! Sorry :(
OK, go to the Newline page:
http://www.newlinedesigns.co.uk/
Click on "Image Gallery", then "Studio Pictures", scroll down to "Napoleonics", "Naval" then click on "Gun Crew & Boarder", which will give you pics of a naval gun crew.
Sorry if you've already found that, but it's the only pic of the range that I've been able to find and they should give you an idea of the sculpting style etc.
Cheers,
Ian.
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:-)
(http://www.newlinedesigns.co.uk/gallery/studio/25mm-naval/guncrew.JPG)
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Ha! Thanks Prof, I can never get the hang of all this technical stuff :(
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Ahhh thank you! :)
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I got a sample of the new range from Eureka in my latest order from them, looks a lot like that early marine illustration. At least I think it is from the range you were talking about.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/Rob_Jedi/Work%20In%20Progress/Fusilier.jpg)