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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: majorsmith on February 09, 2011, 04:45:44 PM
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early war german elite, all BEF miniatures
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/majorsmith/world%20war%202/DSC03648.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/majorsmith/world%20war%202/DSC03650.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/majorsmith/world%20war%202/DSC03652.jpg)
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Amazing work! :o
That camo in particular is mind boggling!
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Cheers mate
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impressive 8)
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:o :o
Yeah...these are SWEET...nice work!
Blue
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wonderful paintjob! :-*
How did you reach that camo? It's perfect!
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:-* Second call for the camo recipe!
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Lovely painting. Slightly ironic euphemism in the title given the combat record of the SS in the early war period.
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Solid stuff... not sure they're elite though but hey ho! 8)
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Of course they're elite. Regardless of their combat record, at that point they were the elite of the German army. To say they're not because they did badly in combat is like saying the SAS isn't elite because of what happened in Bravo Two Zero. ;)
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Of course they're elite. Regardless of their combat record, at that point they were the elite of the German army
They were, technically, not part of the German army at all, but a separate entity with its own uniform, ranks and command structure.
As an aside, they are really well-painted, but some clearly show SS runes, which ought to be hidden in some way on this site.
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Thanks guys, the SS runes are no more than squiggles so no law breaking, as such! I called them elite as I didn't want to mention SS, obviously that doesn't matter, I would class them as an elite service even at that early stage of the war, they were trained alot more harshly than regular army troops and were mechanised as well more so than regular troops, I know they committed atrocities and were more politically motivated than the regular army, but they are still elite
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Lovely painting. Slightly ironic euphemism in the title given the combat record of the SS in the early war period.
They did not do bad at all, on the contrary, they impressed the german high command on several occations. The issue is rather that they did well but with high casaulty rating.
In comparisment to many of their opponents at the given time, they had very good morale, solid training, good combat will, but also lacked in the automatic and support weaponry department. The issue was perhaps the overly aggressive tactics. This got to be regarded as common knowledge I suppose.
When it comes to the figures, they are very nicely painted, a great inspiration. You also managed to make the next order from me, to go to the BEF miniatures. I was sitting just earlier today and contemplating getting a few of their figures, now I am convinced hehe.
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From what I know the SS started out the war with poor equipment and ended up with the best stuff as the war progressed.
The painting is great btw and miniatures look really good.
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The 1 and 2 ss infanterie regiments (LSAH / DR) had rather good results despite a high casualties rate. The 3 ss infanterie regiment (T) was really bad and they had several war crimes issues against belgian civilians and PoWs.
Nevertheless, great figures with a superb painting job.
Olivier
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One can allways discuss the combat effectivness of the early war contacts the SS had, however, its a well researched area, with the content open to all and everyone. Beware of post war propaganda material though. Besides, when discussing combat effectivness, warcrimes dont have much to do with it, so please refrain from bringing that card in to the game. Its a seperate discussion, one wich I am not particularely interested in.
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At the risk of initiating a rather tiresome discussion on the merits of the SS it's worth noting that in at least one instance their combat effectiveness or lack thereof did contribute directly to warcrimes. The particular instance that comes to ind being the massacre of British prisoners of war at Le Paradis. I recall the oft attributed cause was high losses suffered by the poorly trained members of SS Totenkopf. Alas, the two are too deeply intertwined to be divorced so neatly.
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Gentlemen, in the spirit of the general good will that pervades this forum, can I suggest that we limit the discussion to the figures themselves and not their real-life counterparts? Discussion of the facets of certain formations never end well and rarely provide an educational exercise by the time they are finished.
As for use of the term 'elite', there are numerous examples of units presented as, or thought to be, elite, as well as those that proved themselves to be so. Depending on your viewpoint, the troops in question will fall into at least one of those categories, so the description is essentially valid and a fair attempt to keep within forum rules. It might have been less contentious to describe them as 'German troops', but then people would have mentioned that the helmet shield was wrong and they looked more like 'those that shall not be named'.
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Nicely painted figures by the way.
:)
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early war german elite, all BEF miniatures
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/majorsmith/world%20war%202/DSC03648.jpg)
what colours were used on the groundwork? :)
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Redzed, bases as follows, Khemri brown, drybrush kb with bleached bone added, then drybrush bleached bone, stipple Camo green then add yellow for drybrush, hope that helps!
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thanks mate :)