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Title: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 23 February 2011, 03:24:55 PM
Right I have started building and painting this beast....

I got it as compensation for the knee on my warhound titan breaking once it had been built and painted, it is fixable with a little hard work, plus there is a very good possiblity that there is a plastic warhound planned for christmas release, which will actually be bigger than the forgeworld one, so I might not even bother, and just buy another, maybe give mine a viking funeral :D

Anyway I digress......Thunderhawk pictures, painting so far:

Bill and Ben the Thunderhawk Driving Men

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12070012.jpg)

safe to say this beast is going to take a wee while!

Damien
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: FionaWhite on 23 February 2011, 06:39:06 PM
"Hey Ben..."

"Yeah?"

"Weren't we like, flying a gunship a moment ago?"
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: discok3 on 23 February 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Wins intergalactic caption of the week lol
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: dijit on 23 February 2011, 10:25:17 PM
"Hey Ben..."

"Yeah?"

"Weren't we like, flying a gunship a moment ago?"
Sort of reminds me of a scene from Red Dwarf were they've been got by some weird pyschic aliens and think they're in a 1940s tyoe movie in a getaway car when the effect wears off and they realise they're just sitting on boxes like small kids playing cops and robbers.
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Caputo on 24 February 2011, 07:44:42 PM
Sort of reminds me of a scene from Red Dwarf were they've been got by some weird pyschic aliens and think they're in a 1940s tyoe movie in a getaway car when the effect wears off and they realise they're just sitting on boxes like small kids playing cops and robbers.

Ah, you mean the suicide squid!
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: dijit on 25 February 2011, 06:25:50 AM
Yes that the one!
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: joroas on 27 February 2011, 09:31:14 AM
I see that a Grey Knight version is due next month, for £42 I hope it comes with more parts..........  lol
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 28 February 2011, 01:28:58 PM
@ FionaWhite

Haha, obviously being a massive model its very much work in progress, I have to start somewhere.  As the entire interior is going to be painted thought I would start with the pilots :P

@ joroas

Thunderhawk for £42? Thats something I have to see as they are currently £399 (or free if you stand up for your rights as a consumer).  I am assuming that you are confusing the Stormraven with the Thunderhawk

The interior is painted although when I glued it all together last night I relaised some prat hadn't taken photos, so I will only be able to provide VERY dark pictures of the interior more as proof it was done than anything else.  I know have to spend a week filling in all the mismoulded areas and horrendous mouldlines....mould canyons would be more to the point, bloody old moulds are breaking down, no wonder they gave me the fecking thing for free!!!  I am already loosing paticence with this thing and want it finished so I can get on with my true passion, Golden Demon entries.
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 28 February 2011, 06:15:08 PM
Pictures of progress so far

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12130001.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12130003.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12130006.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12130010.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12130011.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Pil on 01 March 2011, 10:54:12 AM
It's coming along very nicely, how did you get it for free?
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 01 March 2011, 12:04:44 PM
Thanks Pil.  I do tend to speed through things once I put my mind on it. Since those pictures were taken yesterday evening I have attached the landing feet (which are surprizingly sturdy for thin bits of resin, I will probably get home from work to find they have all snapped  lol ) also dry fitted the secondary wings at the rear (ones with lazcannons) but they dont fit into the rest points on the main wings properly so I think I will just pin them in place as I am not really that bothered about fully moving parts on forgeworld models.....some sort of fear about resin and snapping, I could do something similar to the assault ramp at the front which is fully re-enforced with high tensile steel rod through the hull and door with a magnetic latch at the top to keep the door shut.  Also all the airfoils are now attached. 

I got it for free because the knee/leg on my warhound titan had some sort of freaky airbubble in it that only became apparant once the model had been built, painted and displayed when the leg started to split so I kicked up an almighty shit storm and they came back with the offer of a thunderhawk, replacement warhound or my money back
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Pil on 01 March 2011, 12:26:26 PM
I see, god luck with this model then, looking forward to the updates 8)
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 03 March 2011, 12:11:24 AM
Right so very nearly finished building, just the missile/bombs to do and then painting on the exterior will begin in earnest

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12150010.jpg)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12150004.jpg)

oh and I need to sort out the major mould lines on the front of the rear wings

Damien
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: joroas on 03 March 2011, 09:00:15 AM
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Thunderhawk for £42? Thats something I have to see as they are currently £399 (or free if you stand up for your rights as a consumer).  I am assuming that you are confusing the Stormraven with the Thunderhawk


Guilty as charged.

For the money they charge I would have expected a better-produced kit than you have.
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 03 March 2011, 10:13:54 AM
Don't worry none of us are infallable mate, although my ex from 4 or 5 years ago Vicky liked to think otherwise  lol 

Agreed for £1 short of £400 I would expect pretty much perfection instead what you get is a mismoulded, warped monstrosity covered in, I can't even call them mouldlines as its more like the two halfs of the mould weren't lined up correctly during the moulding process....perhaps I got the one made by the "can't be bothered rather be on the dole YTS trainee" and they are usually perfect, but for the time being I won't be forking out £400 for one.  Save to say it has taken me a good two weeks of heating all the parts to get it all to fit and there are bits that just never actually fit at all. 

Lucky I got it for free really :D

All that said now I have the finish line in sight I would do it all again as I love the look of the model, two things spring to mind when I think of Space Marines, the Land Raider and the Thunderhawk, and as I have been told quite categoircally that a plastic thunderhawk is never going to materialise, resin and massive amounts of work must ensue.

Damien
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 03 March 2011, 12:52:58 PM
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perhaps I got the one made by the "can't be bothered rather be on the dole YTS trainee"

'fraid not. I've had to put one of these together along with a couple of warhounds and they are awful kits, the resin is low quality and prone to serious warping after assembly. Looking at some of the detail, they look a bit rushed as well  :? ::)

I look forward to seeing the finshed item though, your painting is something rather special  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 03 March 2011, 10:45:33 PM
'fraid not. I've had to put one of these together along with a couple of warhounds and they are awful kits, the resin is low quality and prone to serious warping after assembly. Looking at some of the detail, they look a bit rushed as well  :? ::)

I look forward to seeing the finshed item though, your painting is something rather special  8)

cheers

James

Well that makes me feel a little better although also makes me sad about ever considering actually buying one :(

also strong praise indeed mate thanks :)

Progress so far

Firstly a decent picture of the pilots as previous ones have been a little dark for my liking

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12160013.jpg)

next it is all blacked up!

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12160011.jpg)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12160009.jpg)

Looks pretty dont it :D

but also I am massively pleased with my effort to sort out the mismoulds and general non-fittiness...particularly this

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z79/Mrdee1969/2009_12160010.jpg)

the most of the area outlined in red had to be "resculpted" same on the other side of the ship and all on the top between the two sides (viewable in the picture of the front view of the thunderhawk) reckon it is hard to tell it was grey stuff sculpting...well i like to think so anyway.

Also though I would link this....

It is my Black Templar Thread on Librarium Online and has been going for 3 years now (since I started painting) and has plenty black and white goodness including the warhound titan that was painted for Golden Demon but then broke, and hence why I have this thunderhawk

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/projects/106190-black-templars-wip.html (http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/projects/106190-black-templars-wip.html)

Damien


*EDIT*

I also should be getting my new computer tomorrow so I might disappear off the net for a couple of days whilst I set everything up
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 04 April 2011, 04:50:04 PM
Right well there has been progress on the Thunderhawk in the background.

It now has 3 massive freehand maltese crosses basecoated on it.

However during work over the weekend we hit a bloody iceberg!!! WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST!!!

Despite having washed it 4 or 5 times the big wings aparrantely would hold the undercoat and it started to peel off........

I have since re-undercoated have applied to coats of black paint mixed with matte varnish which has given a very hard wearing base without comprimising detail. If that doesn't work I am going to set the bloody thing on fire and throw it out the window.

Damien
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Hauptgefreiter on 04 April 2011, 04:51:12 PM
Let me know if you do, so that I can be there to catch it ;)
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Commander Vyper on 04 April 2011, 05:09:13 PM
Let me know if you do, so that I can be there to catch it ;)

We want video footage, launch it with a big rocket?

 :D
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Cosmotiger on 04 April 2011, 08:19:04 PM
I thought the idea of a kit was that it's supposed to be easier than scratch-building.
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 05 April 2011, 09:57:13 AM
Let me know if you do, so that I can be there to catch it ;)

You want melted resin all over you pal?  You will look like a plague marine by the end :D

We want video footage, launch it with a big rocket?

I hereby promise I will film the whole thing if it comes to that, after all it would immortalise me!

I thought the idea of a kit was that it's supposed to be easier than scratch-building.

Sadly this my friend would have been easier had I actually lived in the ice age discovered how to make plastic and THEN how to inject mold it to make sheets of plasticard to scratch build it with.......I can honestly see why they gave me the damn thing for free :)

Damien
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: joroas on 05 April 2011, 03:02:39 PM
I have had that problem with resin, too.  Even undercoated it in rust paint and it still peeled off.  Anyone solved this conundrum?
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 05 April 2011, 03:10:36 PM
Well I am not sure if it has totally resolved the problem but the thing I did with the re-undercoat and then matte varnish mixed with black paint seems to have done the trick as there is no more peelage and the paint seems nice and tough.

But then it seemed fine until this weekend..........

I will be massively annoyed (not sure this is a strong enough word) if I finish painting it to the best of my ability and it starts peeling again.

*edit*

Also I have noticed that with my studio McVey and Kingdom Death models, both which are resin there are no problems, they seem to come pre-washed from the company as there are definately no mold release on them.  Think Forgeworld should take note on customer service......
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Hauptgefreiter on 05 April 2011, 10:16:56 PM
You want melted resin all over you pal?  You will look like a plague marine by the end :D

Well, I was hoping that I'd be able to catch it before greater harm is done....
If it wouldn't work out, paint me in proper nurgle colours and put me on your gaming table ;)
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: hubbabubba on 07 April 2011, 09:49:41 AM
Interesting, your thread has reaffirmed my conviction that while the forgeworld models look nice, they are infact too often miscast, ill fitting, overpriced tat.
Odd thing is I still get tempted every now and again  lol
Title: Re: Black Templars Thunderhawk
Post by: Mrdee on 07 April 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Well, I was hoping that I'd be able to catch it before greater harm is done....
If it wouldn't work out, paint me in proper nurgle colours and put me on your gaming table ;)

Modern art!

Interesting, your thread has reaffirmed my conviction that while the forgeworld models look nice, they are infact too often miscast, ill fitting, overpriced tat.
Odd thing is I still get tempted every now and again  lol

Same, but trust me I am seriously wishing I had my money back rather than being greedy and going for the thunderhawk.