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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Gluteus Maximus on March 12, 2011, 05:42:59 PM
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I recently read about his exploits in Mike Snooks lovely book "Go Strong Into The Desert" and that has made me re-read his biography. He was a genuine Victorian hero and I really have to have him in my Sudan force!
This is the pic of him from the book (as originally posted on TMP):
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2010/feb/372534a.jpg)
Apparently there is nothing similar in the various Sudan ranges - a surprising omission considering his fame in Victorian Britain. There are however a couple of likely lads in Empress Minis' Zulu range.
The officer in patrol jacket on the far right here:
(http://www.empressminiatures.com/USERIMAGES/ZWB10.JPG)
and the mounted artillery officer here:
(http://www.empressminiatures.com/USERIMAGES/BATTERY_COMMANDER.JPG)
However, I'd really like him to be holding his trademark shotgun, so if anyone knows of any suitable figure, or a source of 28mm shotguns, I'd be very grateful :)
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Redoubt do SDX 20 COLONEL FRED BARNABY IN BRAIDED PATROL JACKET WITH SHOTGUN.
http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=b92c5ede328cbc97293fbc1695e63cd8
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I like the idea of the Empress chap myself. Change the sword for a shotgun and turn the head to make the pose look more natural.
Would it be a double or single barrelled shotgun? More than happy to have a go if you can get me the donor fig. It could be a belated birthday present.
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Burnaby was 6'4" so, your average Joe is not going to cut it. Also, IIRC, he used the shotgun in 1884, copped a lot of flak for using such an unsporting weapon and didn't use it in 1885.
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When I first seen the picture I thought of the mounted empire figure. Then I scrolled down to see you think the same.
I have recently cut a shotgun off of a Victorian figure. No stock left but the rest is in one piece from the cocking hammers forward. You are welcome to it if it is of any use?
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I have the Redoubt Barnaby and he is HUGE. I actually shortened his legs to be able to use him together with my Foundry figs :D
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Redoubt do SDX 20 COLONEL FRED BARNABY IN BRAIDED PATROL JACKET WITH SHOTGUN.
http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=b92c5ede328cbc97293fbc1695e63cd8
Thanks! I haven't really looked at the Redoubt British, as they do tend to be gangly and don't mix in too well with Perry, Empress etc. Whilst I like their Beja ( being irregulars I'll happily use them with others), I'm not too keen on their British. Something to keep in mind should all else fail though.
Burnaby was 6'4" so, your average Joe is not going to cut it. Also, IIRC, he used the shotgun in 1884, copped a lot of flak for using such an unsporting weapon and didn't use it in 1885.
I'm really only doing the very early stuff - Baker Pasha and 2nd El Teb etc, so the shotgun is ok historically. I will probably stick him on a thick base to make him more imposing. It's odd that Victorian Britain thought it perfectly acceptable to mow hundreds of the enemy down with the Gatling gun, but not relatively few with a widely owned hunting weapon ::)
When I first seen the picture I thought of the mounted empire figure. Then I scrolled down to see you think the same.
I have recently cut a shotgun off of a Victorian figure. No stock left but the rest is in one piece from the cocking hammers forward. You are welcome to it if it is of any use?
Thans for the offer! I may well take you up on it!
I like the idea of the Empress chap myself. Change the sword for a shotgun and turn the head to make the pose look more natural.
Would it be a double or single barrelled shotgun? More than happy to have a go if you can get me the donor fig. It could be a belated birthday present.
That's very kind indeed! I will probably buy the pack, as the other figures would come in useful for other African stuff, so if I do get around to it I'll let you know. As ever, if you need anything let me know and I'll try and get it.
Thanks for all the useful replies, chaps! :D
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I recently read about his exploits in Mike Snooks lovely book "Go Strong Into The Desert" and that has made me re-read his biography. He was a genuine Victorian hero and I really have to have him in my Sudan force!
Apparently there is nothing similar in the various Sudan ranges - a surprising omission considering his fame in Victorian Britain. There are however a couple of likely lads in Empress Minis' Zulu range.
I to have always fancied making a figure of Burnaby, due to another book you must read "On Horseback Through Asia Minor"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Horseback-Through-Asia-Minor/dp/0192825003
An absolutely fantastic book written by the man himself.
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I have the Redoubt Barnaby and he is HUGE.
He's the one historical persona whose Redoubt version would scale properly with other ranges!
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I recently read about his exploits in Mike Snooks lovely book "Go Strong Into The Desert" and that has made me re-read his biography. He was a genuine Victorian hero and I really have to have him in my Sudan force!
Apparently there is nothing similar in the various Sudan ranges - a surprising omission considering his fame in Victorian Britain. There are however a couple of likely lads in Empress Minis' Zulu range.
I to have always fancied making a figure of Burnaby, due to another book you must read "On Horseback Through Asia Minor"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Horseback-Through-Asia-Minor/dp/0192825003
An absolutely fantastic book written by the man himself.
Thanks for the URL. A bit pricey at the moment, but I've saved it on my Amazon wishlist :D
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He's the one historical persona whose Redoubt version would scale properly with other ranges!
lol True! I'm not that keen on the figure though (judging by the bare-metal pic) and much prefer Mr Hicks' lovely figures. If all else fails, I might pick him up at Triples this year though. You never know, with a bit of paint slapped on he might look better ;)
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Thanks for the URL. A bit pricey at the moment, but I've saved it on my Amazon wishlist :D
A lot cheaper from Abe books
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?bt.x=63&bt.y=8&sts=t&tn=on+horseback+through+asia+minor
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I always thought Stephen Fry would make a good Burnaby, if I ever got around to making my epic Sudan movie. He certainly has the build for it, and also the ability to capture a certain languid something of Fred that this picture displays.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/163_13_03_11_8_45_30.jpg)
Unfortunately he's at least ten years too old and a bit fat to play him now. Really should have started on my film directing career a bit sooner. Oh well.
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Yes, he does have something of a 19thC gentleman's air about him and he's a very good actor. It would certainly have been interesting to see him in a British square taking pot-shots at the Fuzzies :)
A lot cheaper from Abe books
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?bt.x=63&bt.y=8&sts=t&tn=on+horseback+through+asia+minor
That's fantastic! I never thought to look there. Oddly, every other book I've looked for recently has been a lot cheaper at Amazon ::)
Thanks very much for that URL - I'm off to order one now!
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In regards to the picture of the painting Plynkes put up; 'A Young Exquisite of the Household Cavalry'. Rather charming I think,oh and the painting is by Tissot (not Googled ;)).
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I've got a nice Great War miniature of an officer with a double barreled shotgun slung over his arm. Could work with conversion for either of those two Empress figures methinks.
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I've got a nice Great War miniature of an officer with a double barreled shotgun slung over his arm. Could work with conversion for either of those two Empress figures methinks.
Interesting suggestion, but I don't now if I'd try that. It may be too expensive and too much effort involved. Don't know how compatible the figure would be with my Sudan stuff.
The Empress chaps appear to be fairly compatible with my Perrys (whose RN figures also work very well with Copplestone's, oddly enough) At least the spare heads I have are lol, so I think they will be the range to go for.
When I finally manage to put a proper order in I think I'll go for the mounted and dismounted figures in the original post. I reckon they are similar enough to get away with using them both as Fred - and then just look at giving the foot version a shotgun. Looking again at the first pic, the Fred-alike does appear to be quite a bit taller than the others, so a double thickness base might just be enough to give him the required stature.
The other characters that come in those sets are also lovely figures, so they will go into my Darkest Africa/Zulu War rabble. A couple of packs of other ranks to form a full unit and maybe a gun, possibly some Irregular horse and of course you never have enough Zulus........
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For me a model of Burnaby should be armed with his 4 barrelled pistol - can't remember the make, but very distinctive. :)
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For me a model of Burnaby should be armed with his 4 barrelled pistol - can't remember the make, but very distinctive. :)
Lancaster Pistol. Military Illustrated Number 12 has an article on him including some lovely coloured illustrations.
Helen
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That's the one :D
I remembered it was in one of the earlier Military Illustrated issues, I'll have to dig it out.
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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That's the one :D
I remembered it was in one of the earlier Military Illustrated issues, I'll have to dig it out.
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
I now it's a bit out of your usual period, but (being a bit cheeky here) do you fancy making one? Maybe with an attached hand to ease the conversion process? I know it's probably not feasible in commercial terms and you're also busy with your own range, so no worries when you say no lol
I could then have three Freds - one with shotgun, one with big f***-off pistol and the third mounted.
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I now it's a bit out of your usual period, but (being a bit cheeky here) do you fancy making one? Maybe with an attached hand to ease the conversion process? I know it's probably not feasible in commercial terms and you're also busy with your own range, so no worries when you say no lol
I could then have three Freds - one with shotgun, one with big f***-off pistol and the third mounted.
Actually Gluteus Maximus, I'm a big fan of the Victorian era, and that's a tempting idea, but I mustn't get distracted .......... not .... yet..anyway lol
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Actually Gluteus Maximus, I'm a big fan of the Victorian era, and that's a tempting idea, but I mustn't get distracted .......... not .... yet..anyway lol
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
I'm with GM, just to have the miniature, the Victorian hero in all his splendor an armed to the hilt. Okay, it would be a nice addtion to the collection.
Helen
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I'm with GM, just to have the miniature, the Victorian hero in all his splendor an armed to the hilt. Okay, it would be a nice addtion to the collection.
Helen
Thanks Helen! If more people think the same, maybe we can make him cave in and do it.... lol
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I'm a big fan of the Victorian era, and that's a tempting idea, but I mustn't get distracted .......... not .... yet..anyway lol
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Oh go, get distracted ;) :D
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Is it worth contacting the Perry twins direct to ask if they would make such a figure? ;)
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It would be an excellent character figure for them. I'll add "Young" Winston Churchill to the list. Who else should we nominate for the "Sudan Characters" pack?
Col Fred Burnaby
"Young" Winston Churchill
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Is it worth contacting the Perry twins direct to ask if they would make such a figure? ;)
It certainly is a good idea. I don't know how they are with suggestions and they seem to have enough on their plates do for 5 other sculptors. Worth a try though!It would be an excellent character figure for them. I'll add "Young" Winston Churchill to the list. Who else should we nominate for the "Sudan Characters" pack?
Col Fred Burnaby
"Young" Winston Churchill
Winston was only in the Sudan from around 1898, so is probably outside the scope of the Perrys' current range. I'm sure there are plenty of other likely lads form the early 1880s though :)
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Well, I've emailed them the request, so we'll see whether or not it's feasible :D
If not, then it's Plan B and buying a couple of packs of Empress for a conversion or two. I'll get the packs anyway, as they will all be good for other Darkest Africa games.
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Well, knock me down with a feather! Here's the reply from Alan Perry :
"Hello Ian
Yes, don't worry, he's on the list......quite high up on the list actually.
All the best
Alan"
Absolutely brilliant and much respect to him for making time to reply so promptly.
Yes, it's official - not only are the Perrys great sculptors/painters, they are also great guys ;D
Oh and I've ordered the other figures from Empress, so it's good news all round!
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Wicked! Well done GM,
Helen
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Phew :D
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Phew :D
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
A lucky escape, we'll get you next time though ;) lol
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A lucky escape, we'll get you next time though ;) lol
lol Yes indeed, we have long memories:
Actually Gluteus Maximus, I'm a big fan of the Victorian era, and that's a tempting idea, but I mustn't get distracted .......... not .... yet..anyway lol
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Resistance is futile....