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Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 07, 2007, 04:17:31 PM: I decided to build a french village for my WW2 games. I wanted to be able to set up streets like these ones

(http://perso.orange.fr/midgard/ww2/tmp/frenchhouses5.jpg)

(http://perso.orange.fr/midgard/ww2/tmp/frenchhouses3.jpg)

I looked first at products from existing manufacturers but I didn't find anything really interesting except the Carentan range from Grand Manner (but far too expensive as I want 6-8 buildings.

Finally, I began to build them from scratch in foam card. After 3 weeks of work , I assembled 10 buildings ( houses, barn, shops, garage).

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_FrenchBuilding4_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_FrenchBuilding4_2.jpg)

I textured them yesterday with the Walktapus Magic Mixture ( water and ceramic tile glue ) and they look great.

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_FrenchBuilding4_3.jpg)

Next step now, the painting!

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Agis on October 07, 2007, 04:20:06 PM: Whoahh! What a project. :love:
Cool start!

Hopefully you have the stamina to finish it! :wink:
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on October 07, 2007, 05:38:55 PM: god :o that's a lot of bildings...
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Poliorketes on October 07, 2007, 05:45:42 PM: Looks really promising!
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on October 07, 2007, 09:29:55 PM: Gotta love huge projects.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on October 07, 2007, 10:11:00 PM: I love them too. When other people do them. :)

Looks great. Can't wait to see the finished versions.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: matakishi on October 07, 2007, 11:24:55 PM: Now that's what I like to see :lol:
Looking forward to seeing them painted!
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Boggler on October 08, 2007, 08:31:33 AM: That looks great...just like the real thing 8)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 08, 2007, 09:07:58 AM: Many Thanks!

Now I have to do something great! I hope I would begin to paint them soon.

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on October 08, 2007, 09:53:17 AM: Quote from: "Plynkes"
I love them too. When other people do them. :)

Quite right.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Howard Whitehouse on October 09, 2007, 03:44:35 AM: I like the look of these a lot.

I'd like to make not only a WWII French village but also some Victorian British stuff, which is essentially similar in shape, although not in detailing.

What have you done for texturing the roofs and walls? It's fear of putting tiles and brickwork on 10-20 houses that keeps me from starting?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 09, 2007, 07:45:45 AM: For the roof, I finally used Wills products, textured plastic cards that I bought from Antenocity's workshop.

For the walls, there's no stone or brick walls yet only rendering ones that are textured with a mix of water and ceramic tile glue.

Walktapus used it for his bricks buildings and it's very nice :

(http://walktapus.free.fr/chicago/chicago5.jpg)

(http://walktapus.free.fr/chicago/chicago8.jpg)

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: PeteMurray on October 09, 2007, 02:37:55 PM: Great work, Olivier! It really does have that French village look!
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 11, 2007, 05:24:01 PM: Here are the first buildings painted : a farmhouse and a barn.

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Farm1_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Farm1_2.jpg)

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: PeteMurray on October 11, 2007, 05:33:56 PM: Very nice! Are the roofs tile in real life? And do all the barns have windows on the second storey?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 11, 2007, 09:00:43 PM: There are a lot of different types of roof even in the same region, so mixing brown-red and grey tiles is rather realistic.

There's no real rules for the windows, just a kinf of artist's view...
:roll:

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Malamute on October 12, 2007, 08:35:19 AM: Awesome looking stuff, please lots more photos, especially the finished town :D
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: matakishi on October 12, 2007, 05:20:44 PM: Fantastic buildings, very inspiring indeed.
Nothing says 'French' building to me more than having shutters for the windows so I think you need a couple of shutters here and there and a Cinzano sign as well :lol:
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 13, 2007, 04:41:12 PM: 2nd batch of buildings nearly finished

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_Batch2.jpg)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 14, 2007, 01:55:50 PM: More pictures

The 2nd farm

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Farm2_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Farm2_2.jpg)

The grocery store

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/GroceryStore_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/GroceryStore_2.jpg)

A small street with the first buildings.

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_Street1.jpg)

Olivier
Title: Excellent
Post by: dodge on October 14, 2007, 02:01:11 PM: These are just brilliant Olivier.

You've got it perfect the village shot is excellent :love: :love:

Was it expensive to make?

Dodge
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: white knight on October 14, 2007, 02:17:10 PM: That's looking really good! You must write up a "how to' as I'm sure lots of members will be interested to give it a try. 8)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Lowtardog on October 14, 2007, 03:33:39 PM: Is the road made form Underlay? you know the material which acts as a cushion beneath carpets? great idea :)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 14, 2007, 06:23:30 PM: The paved road is a textured foam sheet from Antenocity's workshop.

I uploaded a quick tutorial along with drawings

http://perso.orange.fr/midgard/ww2/psh_diybuildings.htm

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Helen on October 15, 2007, 03:38:42 AM: Hi Olivier, Nice work on the buildings :)

I like the town photo of looking down the street with the two different blue background colours picturing a costal township in my view. Really is quite lovely 8)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Malamute on October 15, 2007, 08:31:00 AM: Great stuff, I like the curtains on the windows as well. :)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: TadPortly on October 15, 2007, 09:54:38 AM: Quote from: "Malamute"
Great stuff, I like the curtains on the windows as well. :)

Snap - wouldd be in terested to know how you did them...
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 15, 2007, 10:02:43 AM: They are just a printed picture glued on plastic card. It came from an old shop I took with my camera several years ago and that I used for designing shop textures.

I also used it for my paper buildings...

(http://perso.orange.fr/midgard/ww2/imgdecors/EuropeanBuildings_sample5.jpg)

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 18, 2007, 09:10:42 PM: 3 mores buildings painted

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_FrenchBuilding5_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_FrenchBuilding5_2.jpg)

Olivier
basecoating 2 more
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: matakishi on October 18, 2007, 10:45:31 PM: These are getting better and better. I love that rusty door :D
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 21, 2007, 09:43:08 AM: The 5 last buildings are finished

House and Workshop

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/HouseGarage_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/HouseGarage_2.jpg)

Building

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Building1_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Building1_2.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Building1_3.jpg)

Another building

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Building2_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Building2_2.jpg)

Café de Paris

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/CafeParis_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/CafeParis_2.jpg)

The Street

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/StreetScene_1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/StreetScene_2.jpg)

Et voila!

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: matakishi on October 21, 2007, 09:56:49 AM: Tres bien :love:
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: white knight on October 21, 2007, 10:54:39 AM: Looks really good! I will definitely have to try this out. 8)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Overlord on October 21, 2007, 02:39:12 PM: Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once....Excellent!

Very clever use of real photos of real buildings. The windows/curtains look particularly effective.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Chairface on October 23, 2007, 12:26:33 PM: :o

Simply beautiful.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Poliorketes on October 23, 2007, 01:12:40 PM: Congratulations!
Title: That is Fantastic
Post by: dodge on October 23, 2007, 01:22:58 PM: It's really coming together well. Looks very realistic.

Fantastic.

Can you publish a step by step guide for us unimaginative types :mrgreen:

Dodge
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: PeteMurray on October 23, 2007, 01:44:36 PM: Wonderful work! I like the way you have populated the town, too.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on October 23, 2007, 01:59:50 PM: * Get the plans http://perso.orange.fr/midgard/ww2/psh_diybuildings.htm

* Draw the 4 sides of the building on a 5mm thick foamcard including windows and doors.

* Cut the sides from the foam card, remove the windows and doors.

* Prepare the assembly and drill some holes in order to insert pieces of tooth pick into them. They will consolidate the corners. I also put some tape.

* Adjust the 2 roof 's sides to match the building. Cut the side near the chimney. Assemble the roof with a tape then glue two 90° triangles on the underside.

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/WIP_FrenchBuilding1.jpg)

* Draw the floor on a 5mm foamcard, cut it and glue it.

* Glue some cardboard stripes ( 5mm x 25mm ) and glue them above and under the windows. Use a 30mm long stripe above the doors.

* Mix water and ceramic tiles glue to obtain a textured paint. Paint all the building's sides including the chimney (but not the roof).

* Let it dry at least a night.

* You can start the painting of the building.
Title: Excellent
Post by: Maenoferren on October 27, 2007, 09:47:56 AM: Wow those look excellent - reminds me of my drive through Normandy.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: knoxville on October 27, 2007, 10:36:54 AM: magnificient!
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on November 02, 2007, 04:46:47 PM: Here are some pics of the village with BAM minis. A german panzergrenadieren gruppe is trying to find the right way in a french village during the summer'44.

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/bam/PzGrVillage1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/bam/PzGrVillage2.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/bam/PzGrVillage3.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/bam/PzGrVillage4.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/bam/PzGrVillage5.jpg)

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: dodge on November 02, 2007, 06:01:22 PM: Great with action figures , great with villagers

Looks like it is a lot of fun to play games with 8)

Dodge
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on November 10, 2007, 02:23:28 PM: 2 more buildings (the last ones) with a different roof slope.

The Golden Lion Inn

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Auberge1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Auberge2.jpg)

The Baker

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Boulangerie1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/Boulangerie2.jpg)

And the whole village

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/VillageScene1.jpg)

(http://perronny.free.fr/ww2/wip/VillageScene6.jpg)

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Driscoles on November 10, 2007, 03:34:19 PM: :o
:o
:o

This is really nice !
I like everything of your work.

Bjoern
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Grimm on November 10, 2007, 03:41:22 PM: This is realy realy nice Stuff !!

please can you,or somebody , tell me where to get the textured plastic card

for the Roof ?? ( in germany or in the web )

thanks Grimm
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on November 10, 2007, 03:47:00 PM: It's a product from Wills that I bought at Antenocity's Workshop

http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/scratch%20builders%20paradise/sheet%20materials.html#wills

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Grimm on November 10, 2007, 05:23:57 PM: Ah Cool I will order it now :wink:
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Grimm on November 10, 2007, 05:49:13 PM: OK wich one is it ?

Slate tiles,Flemish Bond Brickwork or English Bond Brickwork ?

Thanks Grimm
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on November 10, 2007, 06:11:08 PM: I used :

- Slate tiles for the grey roofs

- Plain Tiles for the red roofs

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Grimm on November 10, 2007, 06:12:50 PM: Thanks !!! :love:
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Lt. Hazel on November 10, 2007, 07:31:54 PM: Gosh :o :o I missed this thread..great figures-and outstanding village!!!
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: dominic on December 04, 2007, 05:42:44 PM: Fantastic! You have inspired me to do the same (some day...)

BTW - what do you plan to use for the village/town church?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on December 05, 2007, 08:29:20 AM: Dom,

frankly, I don't know yet. My first project was very similar to the one that Grimm built.

I have technical requirements with 4 13cm long roof sheets, I can have a tower of 8cmx8cm, so the remaining roof length is about 18cm.

I can put the tower on the far end, or in the middle. I don't know if I should texture the walls with plaster or with stone or both.

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on December 05, 2007, 09:12:34 AM: The churches in Normandy are more like English ones (grey stone in the Norman style, surprisingly enough!), they aren't really like the one that Grimm built for me, that's supposed to be a church for the Alsace/Lorraine area of eastern France (or western Germany, depending on the year).
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on December 05, 2007, 09:40:57 AM: There are so many different styles and periods that it's a bit difficult to have a generic one.

I must confess that if I can use it for Dark Ages games, it would be fine too so a roman / norman church would be interesting.

A very inspiring page

http://www.allersretours.com/we609_sommej2.php

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: dominic on December 05, 2007, 09:49:27 AM: Very nice link!

Do you think the Hovels 15mm European Church would be alright, or is it a bit small?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on December 05, 2007, 09:50:16 AM: Yeah, a mind-boggling array of different church styles in France. When I googled "Alsace church" I got several different types, so I sent all the pictures to Grimm and told him to just use them as inspiration and do whatever he liked. I was happy with the results. Oddly enough, what he came up with looks just like Rommel's sketch of the church in Bleid, which is what I wanted it for. A very happy coincidence!

I like the Romanesque ones myself, but they'd probably be a right pain to scratchbuild. Like this one in Perigueux, a place where I went on holiday:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/perichruch.jpg)
Fancy building that in 28mm? I don't! :)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on December 05, 2007, 12:04:41 PM: Quote from: "dominic"
Very nice link!

Do you think the Hovels 15mm European Church would be alright, or is it a bit small?

I don't know. I checked the Hovels 25mm one with Artizan or BAM figures and it is really small.

(http://www.hovelsltd.co.uk/european%2025/H501.0/European%2025/H50.jpg)

It's sad for it exists a damanef version too

(http://www.hovelsltd.co.uk/european%2025/H54.jpg)

Olivier
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on December 05, 2007, 12:30:55 PM: Quote from: "Plynkes"
I like the Romanesque ones myself, but they'd probably be a right pain to scratchbuild.

I built this romanesque bell tower a coupe of years back after plans by Alan Harrison. I won't say it was a quick build but it wasn't too bad.

I am very much into Roman and Romanesque buildings and I would in some other life like to build me and the wife a profane Cisterciensian monestry complete with galleries, wells and herb garden.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on December 05, 2007, 12:36:01 PM: Cool. Got any pics of it?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on December 05, 2007, 12:37:22 PM: Oh, bollocks! That was the whole point with my post, wasn't it?

(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/Showcase/bell_tower.JPG)

It's for 28mm figs BTW, although you can't tell from the pic. I had to back away a bit from it since it is about 60 cm tall.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: SgtPerry on December 05, 2007, 12:44:25 PM: Whoa, it's really impressive!
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on December 05, 2007, 01:21:10 PM: Blimey, that is tall! Have you had the chance to use it in a game yet? If so, what kind of game was it?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Vanvlak on December 05, 2007, 01:30:09 PM: Quote from: "Plynkes"
Blimey, that is tall! Have you had the chance to use it in a game yet? If so, what kind of game was it?

One with snipers! You can't use that without having snipers in it!
Lovely stuff, Hammershield. 8) 8) 8)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on December 05, 2007, 01:31:57 PM: Quote from: "Plynkes"
Blimey, that is tall!

Yes, unneccessarely tall. But it looks good on the table and comes apart i three sections so storage is not a problem.

Quote from: "Plynkes"
Have you had the chance to use it in a game yet? If so, what kind of game was it?

No, I have not. I moved back to Sweden before I had time to use it with my then gaming group. It was specificaly built for a LotR scenario but I did so hoping to use it for other purposes like for my Florentine renaissance assassins (Medici et all) and night watch . It may work for Romans to.

It has a certain Italian*) feel to it so I am not sure it would work for France or Germany.

Edit: *) Campanile Yes, that the word I was looking for.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on December 05, 2007, 01:32:16 PM: Were I a sniper, I would position myself anywhere but in the campanile.

It's the first place everyone would look (and start shooting at).
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on December 05, 2007, 01:41:14 PM: There are a coule of other houses which go with hte campanila:

(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/Showcase/town_house.JPG)

(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/Showcase/merchanthouse.JPG)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Vanvlak on December 05, 2007, 01:48:08 PM: Quote from: "Plynkes"
Were I a sniper, I would position myself anywhere but in the campanile.

It's the first place everyone would look (and start shooting at).

Ummm, preferably with something having a large calibre. This place is an education :)
The other buildings: Very nice, Hammershield - so the campanile would be around 3x the height of the other buildings, then?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Hammers on December 05, 2007, 01:54:45 PM: Yes, roughly.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Grimm on December 05, 2007, 04:24:10 PM: :o :o very good hammershield :love:
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: dominic on December 26, 2007, 06:59:18 PM: Sgt Perry - how did you do your windows and doors? I have some ready-made windows and doors for 20mm models, but is it possible to get ready made ones for 25/28mm?
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Col.Stone on December 26, 2007, 07:48:58 PM: Really nice buildings
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Lowtardog on December 26, 2007, 07:58:01 PM: Quote from: "SgtPerry"
It's sad for it exists a damanef version too

(http://www.hovelsltd.co.uk/european%2025/H54.jpg)

Olivier

Yep, we have it at our club (the ruined one, and its more suited to 20mm :(
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Lowtardog on December 26, 2007, 08:00:57 PM: Quote from: "hammershield"
Quote from: "Plynkes"
Blimey, that is tall!

Yes, unneccessarely tall. But it looks good on the table and comes apart i three sections so storage is not a problem.

Quote from: "Plynkes"
Have you had the chance to use it in a game yet? If so, what kind of game was it?

No, I have not. I moved back to Sweden before I had time to use it with my then gaming group. It was specificaly built for a LotR scenario but I did so hoping to use it for other purposes like for my Florentine renaissance assassins (Medici et all) and night watch . It may work for Romans to.

It has a certain Italian*) feel to it so I am not sure it would work for France or Germany.

Edit: *) Campanile Yes, that the word I was looking for.

I wouldnt worry, look at these london churches they have a lot of similarities

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=london+churches
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: dominic on January 11, 2008, 09:05:05 AM: Would this pass for a Normandy village church? It's a gothic terrain piece from Fantascene:

(http://www.fantascene.net/images/church%20angle%20small.jpg)
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Plynkes on January 11, 2008, 11:02:03 AM: It does look kind of Norman to me. I'd like it more if it had a bigger tower, but I don't think it would look glaringly out of place, and that circular window is very nice.

Grey stone churches like that do seem to be the most common type in Normandy, as in England.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: Phil Robinson on January 11, 2008, 11:28:27 AM: St Mere Eglise

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/normandy008.jpg)

Tower only but you can see the simililarity.
Title: [WW2] French Village (work in progress)
Post by: dominic on January 11, 2008, 07:01:11 PM: Here are some pics of churches from my recent visit to Normandy:

Church at Crepon (Green Howards Memorial)
(http://www.napnuts.com/ww2/church_crepon.jpg)

Church at Creully (4/7 Dragoon Guards Memorial)
(http://www.napnuts.com/ww2/church_creully.jpg)

Church at Carentan
(http://www.napnuts.com/ww2/church_carentan.jpg)

The Fantascene Church is pretty close to the one at Crepon (where CSM Stan Hollis won his VC). The Carentan Church is beyond my scratch-building abilities!!