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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: Poliorketes on 30 March 2011, 09:45:43 AM
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Did you know taht the head of the department for the UN in germanys Foreign Department is a Michael Freiherr von Ungern-Sternberg? I wonder if we would send him as an ambassador to Mongolia. Some years ago we sent him to Russia as a vizeconsul...
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lol That's rich...
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I've just googled his pic, and yes, there is a family resemblence. In fact the original if anything looks slightly more sane.....
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Ungern-Sternberg is a baltic nob family with many branches
but the Jungian Synchronicity is funny nevertheless lol lol
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but the Jungian Synchronicity is funny nevertheless lol lol
Ah, the old ones are the best!
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...and while we are with it, a family portrait
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/possiblyColonelFreiherrNilsvonUngernSternberg1696-1756.jpg)
possibly Colonel Freiherr Nils von Ungern Sternberg 1696-1756
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He was a crap Swedish Commander from memory if I'm not mistaken.....
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OK, its make your mind up time, who looks the bigger loony???? (wish I knew how to do the voting button thang!)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/UVS1920.jpg)
Der Baron 192?
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/UVS2011.jpg)
Der Baron 201?
VOTE NOW!
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His Holiness believes they are in fact the same person, the eternal spirit moving from one earthly shell to another. Have any black tents been seen outside UN buildings?
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(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/ungernsternberg.jpg)
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Don't know what is stranger - the fact that he is wearing the same coat as the camel or the fact that he is riding side-saddle!
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Not quite correct. The artist seems to have tried to depict his golden brocade Mongol "jacket", which you can find pictures of on the net.
The camel on the other hand is pure fantasy of the artist.
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Sad, but not only does the camel look bored, but more deep in thought than the other two!
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Sad, but not only does the camel look bored, but more deep in thought than the other two!
hahahahaha!
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He was a crap Swedish Commander from memory if I'm not mistaken.....
Well, that goes for 90% of the Swedish Commanders during that period lol
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he is riding side-saddle!
not actually
camels cannot be ridden like horses because they are too large on the back
the legs usually grip the saddlehorn/s like his right leg does
the advantage is that one has more mobility on the back and can turn to the side, like he does in the picture, so he can pose better
In fact, the resemblance between the two is quite astonishing, I must admit
which should be no wonder given the "close family ties" between old nobility :D
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camels cannot be ridden like horses because they are too large on the back
Not quite true, you just need the right kind of saddle to ride them horse-fashion, like the ones the Bikaner Camel Corps had...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/camel_jump2.jpg)
How wise it is do so I'm not sure however, as he looks like he's about to fall off.
Yes, raising this point was just an excuse to post this cool picture. lol
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this is indeed a cool picture
from my own camel riding experience I can't imagine it works comfortably for a long time
I could imagine though that it is a special military saddle to improve lance handling
it is perfectly obvious that the stirrups are so short to facilitate a stand-up position and the knees would be bent when sitting, unlike when riding in a horse saddle (in an utility horse saddle, to be precise)
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They did manage to rout the Turks with a camel charge once.
If you're ever in Bikaner I imagine you could give it a try yourself, former user, and report back to us, as they still prefer to ride their camels that way there. I'm sure if you ask nicely they'll let you have a go on one of their saddles. Every year they have the Bikaner Camel Festival ("A spectacular event of camel performances, camel races, camel acrobatics dances and camel milking competition are a part of of the celebrations"), and Bikaner is also home to the National Camel Research Centre (??).
I'm not making this up. Seriously. The good people of Bikaner are a little too obsessed with their camels, if you ask me. :)
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this is very interesting
I actually never met camel owners who were NOT obsessed with their camels
could it be that the saddle is actually for two people?
I would really like to give it a try :)
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could it be that the saddle is actually for two people?
Indeed it is.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/BikanerCC2.jpg)
Though I have never seen an actual photograph of this arrangement in use. In photos the back seat always seems to be empty (maybe the No.2 guy has fallen off in every picture! lol).
Edit: I do apologise to Mad Baron fans, I appear to have inadvertantly hijacked this thread into a discussion about Rajasthani camel riding (and milking and dancing)-habits.
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Do tigers make good saddles?
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haha, tigers
anyway, from what I know camel riding originates from Asia, so the arab camel riding I am accustomed to appears to be an arab development
In Afghanistan an Pakistan, this is the usual one apparently, as the one depicted by @ Plynkes
(http://camelphotos.com/Graphics/oldsaddle5.jpg)
there are numerous paintings from medieval India for 2 seated camel riding
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Tremendous digression. I am now an expert in camels and camel saddles. Wait till the family hear about this! :D
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Er.... wrong camel guys.
The baron is riding a Bactrian camel, all yours are Dromedaries.
One rides a Bactrian sitting between the humps, so the painting is correct. The Baron has both legs to the side, one over the front hump.
Of course I say one rides a Bactrian camel in this manner, as an Emir I only ride a horse......
:D
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I responded to "camels cannot be ridden like horses." That statement didn't specify a particular type of camel. But you are of course correct. :)
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:) sorry
how do bactrian camel saddles look?
just in case @Ignatieff is curious ;)
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That is a good question, especially as I want to make a Russian unit on Bachtrian camels with a little baggage train and one drawing a machinegun or little gun.
I have collected some pictures, but am still unsure, how the animal was controlled?
Just with a peg in the nose and a single rope or such?
The "saddle I guess was just a pillow and an arrangement of stirrups.
here are some pictures:
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/1916RussiaCentralAsia.jpg)
1916 in Central Asia
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/1917Orenburg-Kopi.jpg)
1917 Orenburg
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian_camels4-Kopi.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/ConstantinopleTurkeyCamelsCarryingCharcoal.jpg)
Constantinople Turkey Camels Carrying Charcoal
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/Bactrian-Camel.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/BactrianCamelCaravan.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/1917Orenburg.jpg)
1917 Orenburg
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/1930KazakhmanridingaBactriancamelwithpackcamelandbabyfollowing-Kopi.jpg)
1930 Kazakhman riding a Bactrian camel with pack-camel and baby following.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/1916RussiaCentralAsia-Kopi.jpg)
1916 Russia Central Asia.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/OldRussiaCaucasuscamelsinPyatigorskMtBeshtauinthebackground.jpg)
Old Russia Caucasus camels in Pyatigorsk. Mt.Beshtau in the background.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/harness20.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/camel_acrobat.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian_packing.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian_camels4.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/Bactrian_camel-Kopi.jpg)
A splendid specimen.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/37578-Bactrian-Camel-0.jpg)
Nose-plug.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/1916RussianTashkentStreetintheoldcity.jpg)
1916 Tashkent. Street in the old city.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian_camels2-Kopi.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/BactrianCamelCaravan-Kopi.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/working_camels.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/c.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian-camel-kashgar-2-china.jpg)
Kashgar China.
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian_camels8.jpg)
(http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l484/ths3/Bactrian%20camels/bactrian_camels2.jpg)
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I always preferred Lucky Strikes personally.
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Jesus fecking Christ, the oneupmanship that goes on in this place.... lol
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They're toasted you see.
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Am I the only one that reacts on the url camelphotos.com?
That sound's like the animal version of two girls, one cup...
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No, you're thinking of cameltoefotos.com ;)
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I always preferred Lucky Strikes personally.
lol
Camels are better. :-I
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Matter of taste, I suppose. What I can report is that Paraguayan cigarettes are amongst the worst in the world, worse even than some of the cheapest domestic brands in Brazil. In desperation I once bought a pack from a street vendor when nowhere else was open. The next day I tried to give them away to a homeless beggar and even he looked askance at my gift.
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maybe You never tasted russian cigarettes.....
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Actual Russian cigarettes no. I used to quite like Sobranies but they're English.
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So that's what camel toes are. I'd often wondered what they looked like...
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I've only just noticed the wild digression this thread has taken. I realise it was a while ago, but I wouldn't want to deprive you all of more camels, Second World War ones this time...
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/answeris42/Random%20stuff/F_32844_l1.jpg)
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/answeris42/Random%20stuff/camile21.jpg)
In the Caucasus, which is sort of near Mongolia, right?
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Amazing photo. Romanians on camels?
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That's really surprising, I never would have expected camels in WW2 on the western side of the Caspian, and not with a russian but an axis unit.
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Quite! I wish I had more information on them. The Romanians used literally anything and everything they could get their hands on to fight the Russians, and maintained large non-motorised cavalry formations throughout the war.
I've considered adding some to my FoW army - anyone know where I can get 15mm scale camels? lol