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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Drachenklinge on 16 June 2011, 10:37:46 AM
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Hello Folkes,
it really is amazing, what kind of hidden and not so hidden treasures are in here! I haven't seen so many inspiring theads for quite a while, when it comes to scenery and terrain! Hope to compete, or at least keep up without panting too much!
However I dare to show a project of mine, since I have seen so many great ship-projects, hoping this might fit, too.
So ... it all started, when there was some special "Advent-Event" a few years ago at my local GW-store. I managed to grab some flame-cannons from the dwarfen warmachines ... just the cannons, without the mountings (well, I got some valves and other stuff, too, but the cannons each came as single bitz). Alltogehter 7 pieces (seven! gnihi) Actually I did not know at the time, what to use it for, just grabbed them out of sheer reflex. Maybe I had an airy thought about some ship, but not sure. Could have been a dwarven gun-battery for a future stronghold, too.
Then - some may know the models - UnchartedSeas came out. As usual I fell for the dwarves.
http://www.hobbybunker.com/images/products/305.jpg
Well ... that was that and the idea of a ship was born.
During the next days I started some testing, to get an idea of what would come. I cut a rough hulk from some polystyrene, even tested some idea about the gun-ports, but ... yukk
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/175-1/FirstTry001.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/180-1/FirstTry004.JPG)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/182-1/FirstTry005.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/184-1/FirstTry006.JPG)
... somehow, that wasn't, what I wanted. Too small. Why did I buy so many guns, anyway?
What I wanted was a full 3-gun broadside - bad enought that it would only be a small destroyer, huh? So, I started NOT with the hulk, but with the cannons, cutting the ship around them (like it was said it was done with the A-10 Warhog ^^). I wanted to place some gun-crew, some upper-engine-room and at least a small officer's cabin on the main deck.
Crew? Yes! What do we have? 6 Guns ... need at least 12 dwarves to manage, 2 each and maybe room for some powder-beards. To those of You who knows about the REAL crews of such cannon I like to add, that I obviously depend a little bit on dwarven technology, here.
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/188-1/Werft001.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/189-1/Lafette000.JPG)
I choose this design: no smooth curves or something like that to make it look sturdy and "clean-lined" - not stream-lined but dwaven-lined. ^^
First I planked the deck, then digged and glued in the first main beams and some sheathing(?) between the beams and while drying I checked over the bitz I had so far, and found that the dwarf miner's bitz came in handy. I even "mounted" the guns, to have some base to test with. ^^
I do this with all my projects, cause I realized that it's always better to have something to "play-think" with. Might be my fault, but I like to look at things in real, put them this way and that not just imagining how it will be ... it often have spared me a great deal of problems (there are still enough being left later on, anyway °_O). Oh! If THIS is HERE, then THESE canNOT be THERE, so ... hmmmm ... damned ... already glued it ...
It is also pure fun and in addition many of my ideas often develop while looking at these ... wanna-be thingies.
After this, the final, though basic layout was finish(ed? ... sigh)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/193-1/Werft002.JPG)
So, before going to the next step, I needed the mountings of the guns. 6 times. And since it should be advanced dwarven technique, it should be kind of automated, meaning: looking like a mechanical retractable and pivotable high-tech mounting.
With my latest versions, I glued some bend metal as rails to a base and tried a bit more
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/194-1/Lafette001.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/196-1/Lafette003.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/198-1/Lafette007.JPG)
Even with some suggestions from my dwarves (no, I am not a psyche ... my dwarves really helped!) I have to admit, it took me nearly three days to figure it out ^^
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/201-1/Lafette008.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/203-1/Lafette_in_Serie.JPG)
But finally I made it - the guns are now retractable and pivotable in their mountings - at least enough to give the impression! They are pivotable with roughly 20 degrees and retractable for about real 1.5cm. Enough to give an enemy three second thoughts of hard iron even at odd angles and to retract them behind the plating. ^^
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/205-1/Lafetten_Test01.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/207-1/Lafetten_Test02.JPG)
To have an impression about the gun-deck ...
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/211-1/BatterieDeck.jpg)
... and here a view with a painted and mounted gun
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/214-1/Batteriedeck2_003.JPG)
With this gun-problem solved, I was able to go on and think about the plating with its gun-ports.
best wishes
Drachenklinge
... to be continued
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:o wow! :-*
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What a great idea, Drachenklinge! And it looks very good.
What do you want to game with it?
Or is it just a building project?
DV... :)
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Boy, that is amazing!
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Awesome build, DK! Very very inspired (and inspiring!).
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wow, he does it again. Please tell me you don't work full time too!
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You make it look so easy :-[
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The work on the cannons is pure genius. Absolutly love the whole project!!!
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That's amazing, really well put together!
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thanx a lot!
What do you want to game with it?
Or is it just a building project?
I don't know ... is there a 28mm fantasy seabattle community out there? Before tabletoping I "used" to build wooden model sailing ships of historic ages; not many, though, but some. So this "UcS goes 28mm" was more of a DNA-crossover mutation, I think.
wow, he does it again. Please tell me you don't work full time too!
not really and for sure not at the moment (me in holiday) ... but my job-situation is somewhat awkward (love the word, not the reason to use it, though ^^) ...
You make it look so easy :-[
Did I mention it took me three days (not to mention some helping dwarves!) to build the first working model of the mounting? ^^
Actually right now I am stuck at the upper deck with the bridge ... no good solution. And I also want to make the sun-deck detachable (for beeing able to see the interiour), but also want to do some of these typical WWI/II battleship-masts with wires and cables. No radio-cables with this ships, for sure, but it should look a bit like it ... so wires + detachable ... geeeee ... wizzz
best wishes
Drachenklinge
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not really and for sure not at the moment (me in holiday) ... but my job-sitation is somewhat awkward (love the word, not the reason to use it ^^) ...
Sorry, it's just I could all me non working life and it would still look cr@ppy
You could think about building to orders/painting though it might not be what you want to do....
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You could think about building to orders/painting though it might not be what you want to do....
In a way, I am in such a hurry to make all these projects and miniature-painting, because I know, once everything is settled back to "normal" I may have no time, anymore. ^^
But painting for money? Tried that a few times ... somehow it is not working for me. Tried a few minis, tried a lot minis (army of High Elves) ... good results in a way, but took me years ... and You might want to take that literally °_O
best wishes
Drachenklinge
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Awesome project. I'm very impressed.
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This is just amazing. Cant wait to see more.
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Brilliant stuff - I've been shying away from having a go at building the Volksvagn, Sven Hasslefriesian's boat, for the old Games Workshop scenario, The Mighty Sven.
The scenario booket includes a layout of the ship which is a timber-built paddle steamer - archery slits instead of cannonsto contend with which might be a good thing for me and my lack of scratch building experience!
Reckon I might have a go this summer, time permitting, once I'm done with my current project...
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:o A very impressive project 8)
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Beautiful. I am so glad that I am not the only person that has ever looked at an Uncharted Seas ship, and said "I am building one of those in 28mm!"
Although yours is a damned sight better than mine!
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@ sinewgrab
any pictures? I would like to see them! What kind of boat? Which race? I suppose it won't be very likely to visit the states with my boat in the bag, but ... you never know ^^
Well, after puzzling out the mountings, I could judge better, what space I have left for the rest of my plans, where to but the gun-ports, the captain's cabin, etc.
I used some thick planks to add some real strength to the structure (here all just laid loosly at the sides)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/226-1/plating_001.jpg)
And with some thinking about the sun-deck ...
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/217-1/SunDeck_001.jpg)
I was able to made a detachable deck-level
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/220-1/SunDeck_002.jpg)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/223-2/SunDeck_003.jpg)
To be able to see inside (at least a little bit) even when all is attached, I choose some sort of gratings integrated in the sun-deck. The jollyboat is more or less a by-product °_O It should have been much smaller originally, but came out too small, so I had to make it bigger, then I thought, why not planking it, too? Then it was too big for the sun-deck which "forced" me to make some aft davits, too, to lower it to the water. However my plan still inlcuded some kind of crane with a winch or something, also I need ... but later ... slowly ... breath!
The problem with these scratch-builds is - at least for me - I constantly had to check for some coming trouble (do not tell me, YOU folkes have an exact blueprint, huh!?), so I always have to do "everything" at the same time, at least provisorily. In the pictures above You can see the front-end of the maindeck towards the bow. It is some makeshift, just to keep in mind its probable size, and I also used it for some colour- and plating-attachment testing. Good thing to have done that, cause the spray I used was not only new (but cheaper, therefore I dared to trry it) but just too easy scratched (see the white scar in the front)! GW ChaosBlack again ...
... now, where was I? And where is that damned cutter again? ... here ...
Some last thinking about the platings - a makeshift again, just to see how it will look later
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/229-1/Studie_Panzerung002.JPG)
And on it goes to the gun-port-details
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/232-1/gun_ports_002.jpg)
You may notice, that here I started the final deck-front-end. First I thought of making it detachable of some sort, too, but decided against it for practical reason. Also it gaves me the shivers to do this 3-dimenional angular, aslant, aslope, bevel hate-object outside (plates, simple!) AND inside (planking ... gee). So now, it is just the iron-plated powder magazin.
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/235-1/gun_ports_001.jpg)
And yes, the are moveable ... :D
So ... while some just try to get accustomed to the new floating battery
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/241-1/Batteriedeck_004.jpg)
Others have to clean up the mess ...
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/242-1/Deckschrubber.JPG)
... but some (most likley some milk-beardlings) always will find a place to have a hidden break.
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/246-1/have_a_break.jpg)
Have a break, have a ... beer!
For the rivets (is there actually a more fitting word?) I choose some thick nails, made of brass. These where cut just short under the nail's head, glued into the platings. I thought this a little bit cumbersome, but I am far more satisfied with the look of the "rivets". Their heads are symmetrically round now, not like some greenstuff or cutted round-profiled plastic-wires. And with the later plating of the hulk just above the waterline they also give some extra hold to the plastic (which is actually just attached directly to the polystyrene hulk). These won't be shorteend, then.
And while looking at some bitz I was having a new idea for some very important deck machinery! A winch for the anchor!
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/247-1/Ankerwinsch001.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/249-1/Maschine002.JPG)
The winch is made of the sides of the (new) GW miner's lorry/trolley (?), also the lever is a pushcart's grip from the same box, dito the gadget. The bend metal plate is some orcish armory (40k, if I remember it correctly) with some holes drilled into it. And - no - this one is not working ... but thanks for thinking it ^^
And with some last colour-testing for the bigger areas at the aft engines-room
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/253-1/MaschinenraumFarbe002.JPG)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/256-1/MaschinenraumFarbe003.JPG)
... my first final platings for one side is mostly finish
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/254-1/GesamtBreitseitebemaltWIP02.JPG)
I really thought a little bit about background and fluff for the machinery, and I came up with the idea of some piston engine. But since a petrol/gasoline/fuel/alcohol-driven engine would make no sense, I "invented" a coal-dust-explosion-machinery. But do not ask me how it is working exactly ... it is top-secret dwarven technology - sorry, folkes! ;D
Anyway - the real and big fat machinery is in the lower decks, just below and aft the maindeck. The visible part is the First-Maschinst's room with its upper part of the coal-dust-explosion-piston-engine-control-mechanism (next time I will make a test about it ^^). In the lower decks, there are just lots of valves, a few big shredders (for the coal-dust) and the main-engine with the pistons and the driving shaft to/for the ship's propeller - or so I my idea boiled up.
best wishes
Drachenklinge
Next stop ... engine room!
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That is gorgeous. There's nothing else to say really. I'm speechless!
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Wow!! Very cool; I think all the little details really make it.
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Very cool indeed!
I like the idea of a coal-dust-explosion-powered engine ...... always good to have a back story :D
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*dingding - dingding* "Engine? Bridge! Full speed ahead!"
Again it took a while until I came up with a wanna-be plan for my "upper-engine". Basically I wanted a bigger barrel at all costs ... a dwarven steamer without a barrel? No beering way! But cobbling together some planks and plasticards, adding a few other flame-thrower-valves and some unavoidable straws - this is the result
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/260-1/upperEngine_001.jpg)
I have seen other scratched-built steamers out there with bigger barrels (it's always the same, isn't it?), but they were too visible for my liking and although I wanted the ship "barreled" I also want to have the outer appearance of an ironclad, without machinery visable outside the "hull" - beside funnels, that is.
By the way, some (not all!) of the valves (actually the part with which to regulate it, not the "display") is a button (I think they're for bras*) from a material store. There are different sizes and its very useful for all kinds of machinery - and usually a lot cheaper, then hobby-store-valving-wheel-grip-thingies.
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/263-2/upperEngine_002.jpg)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/266-2/upperEngine_007.JPG)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/269-1/upperEngine_008.JPG)
After being quite pleased with this part, I could't resist priming ...
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/272-1/upperEngine_006.JPG)
.. and painting at least a bit of it
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/275-1/upperEngine_004.JPG)
And later this ...
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/278-1/upperEngine_005.JPG)
... will be added to give more complexity to the machinery - another part from the flame-thrower some might recognize. And between the half burried barrel and the deck I put a wire-mesh, to make it look more technical and beware my fellow dwarves from slipping with all that oily, greasy stuff on the floor.
I even started to "weather" the room a bit, but In think it could get a lot more of that, later. Also I added some shelves for tools and stuff. Also I discovered this little fellow and I intend to use him as some sort of Klabauterman (ship's kobold). Maybe I will even attach him to the maschinits's base.
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/283-1/BordKobold001.JPG)
Turning to the funnels ... it was relatively easy to figure it out. A little research and googeling brought up some pix and I went for it
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/279-1/upperEngine_Funnel_001.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/281-1/upperEngine_Funnel_002.JPG)
The piping-brass is a part from a guitar ... don't know the name for it - even in German ^^ ... it's from the tuning-apparatus of this instrument.
The big tin-tank is from some 40k-tank or so I believe - it lies around for years, unused, unwanted - up until now when it found it's righful place attached to dwarven machinery!
So - for the moment, this nearly as far as it goes with the steamer for the time being. I did a few details for the sun-deck and more plating, showing next time, but nothing "important" for the main design.
It will be a bit more complicated to fix all the things on the sun-deck, because - as mentioned before - I want the sun-deck remain detachable and I am still not sure how to accomplish that, exactly.
best wishes
Drachenklinge
* when "working" with bras, usually I am not interested in the buttons itself then, to be honest, so I am not 100% sure, but I got a dim memory of having seen them in such situations ^^
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My ship is an Orc vessel I put together as a terrain piece / army tray about a year ago - and you have inspired me to spend a bit more time on it to make it more cool! I'll put pics up in my Orc Pirate post when I get a bit more finished on it.
The tanks are from an Imperial Guard Chimera tank, and look damned fine where you put them. This is beautiful stuff, Drach, old boy!
:o
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@ Sinewgrab
thanx! Found Your "pirativized" orcs ... will follow that thread, too. Bookmarked it already. Some nice conversions in there. Will have a closer look, later.
Now, here are some small details I crafted from time to time, when some other things need to try, or I were stucked somewhere. But I think these details will grab another huge ammount of time, fitting and mounting them somewhere on the deck. And it's not all of them. Need some life-savers ( I actually plan to use some red/white coloured beer-barrels ^^), too, and some other stuff, like ... like ... well, stuff that is needed on a ship's deck every day.
However, I will start with two "that's it so far"-pix to give You another impression of the plating - I am quite pleased with it!
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/290-2/PanzerPlatten_002.jpg)
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/291-1/PanzerPlatten_003.JPG)
This is a close-up before painting - the nails are just put throught drilled holes right into the polystyrene hull, to give the strength. mentioned somewhere above
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/285-1/Bullauge_001.JPG)
In addition I came across some metall-knob-holes in my bitz-box, which I often use as portholes, why not here, too? I need to stuff some "window-glass" into it ... don't know, yet, how to do so.
The next picture is a some rear-view, with some davits-testing. Also showing the more or less final design for the bridge and the engine room's deck.
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/293-1/Beiboot_001.JPG)
I jumped for this design, because at the sides it is strictly at a right angle and I wanted that to break up a bit. Originally I wanted the bridge bigger, but that doesn't work - unfortunately. For I have to have some space to GET to/into the bridge, and couldn't find any other solution, but to size it down.
Next stop is some small deck-cannon ... it looks fairly modern for any fantasy naval warfare, and maybe too much so, but maybe I will keep it nevertheless, to give my steamer a touch of this WW1 modern "navalness".
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/296-1/Deckgesch__tz_001.JPG)
Then there is the helm. Obviously made of pure brass! ^^
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/299-1/Steueraufh__ngung01.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/301-1/Steueraufh__ngung02.JPG)
Many bitz again from the GW-dwarf-miner's box. Quite a box, every dwarven engineer crave to have!
This picture is showing some interior again
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/305-1/Beleuchtung01.JPG)
Wanted to mentioned that it is somewhat astonishings where useful bitz might come from! The golden thingy on the right side is some attaching mechanism for self-made-chains (maybe You know these little stores, where one can buy all sorts of wooden, glassy or plastic pearls and beads ... it's worth a try, I can assure You! I have seen some beads here already, on the top of some mexican pueblo somewhere).
And finally here is the ship's bell! Sometimes the only thing divers find, when searching for old wracks ... anyway - every good ship should have one!
(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/306-1/Schiffsglocke.JPG)(http://gallery.stuttgarter-wahnzinn.de/d/308-1/Schiffsglocke_002.JPG)
Right now I am not sure where to put it later, but I am sure, I will find a place for it. The sides of the bell will be corrected with GS or something like.
So ... that's it ... for the time being anyway! I don't know, when I will have the time to go on with that project, but my fingers are tingling. ^^
best wishes and thanx to all of you for "listening"!
Drachenklinge
PS
I will keep You informed :D
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That's awesome! :o 8) :-*
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This just keeps getting better and better. You get a grade of 'Awesome +' from this old sailor!
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thank you very much to all of you, for your constant positive feedback - I am really flattered - and happy ^^
I think, what troubles me most about it is the next step. In a way all things a more or less clear, but the rigging of my ironclad really gives me the shivers - for example here
http://irapl.altervista.org/cpm/albums/habdul-hamid-ii-01/00459--The-rigging-drill-on-the-Imperial-Ironclad-Frigate-Osmaniye-.jpg
How to seperate the deck, when everything is actually SEWN and TIED to the deck with riggings? *sigh* But then, I already know how to do this ... need some kind "hook and eye" for EVERY rigg. °_O And the next trouble will be, to keep it tight (bow-taut?), but removable, yet. So maybe some springs along with it ... what a twiddeling - boy, I'm dead. :?
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Thought about some springs from ball-pens ^^
Well ... much to do, until this clad will power it's engine.
best wishes and thanks again!
Drachenklinge
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This is just fantastic. A pleasure to watch it progress.
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Absolutely stunning. One of the best ship builds I have seen. The little details put it over the top.
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thanks again! Liked to share it, too!
an afterword to the deck's planking
since I did the main deck and the sun-deck differently I am a little bit "annoyed" now. Cause I used some very smooth planks (bought them as they come) for the first and self-cutted for the second (didn't calculated it through (that's the phrase?) so I hadn't any more left °_O). In colour both a similar enough, but I think the impression with the self-made planks for 28mm scale is a little bit better, since they give more the mpression of 28mm-scale planking. More cracks, splitting and cleaving and for sure more distinctive.
They are also thicker (1 or 2mm for the upper one, the main deck's planks are not even 1mm, maybe half).
It is not that dwarves might not have some fine-worked deck, but it simply fitted more to the scale, if You understand me. And I did not cut some chracks into the sun-deck. The just looked more "robust" and fitting.
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So next time with the dwarven battleship I will do the planking myself from the beginning. ^^
best wishes
Drachenklinge
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Outrageous!
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Looks FANTASTIC!
i really love the amount of detail you're adding on, congrats!!!
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Outrageous!
Maybe I should feel sorry - but I ain't! ;)
I am very pleased, though, that You folkes like it so much! Thanks again - very motivating!
Actually I like to repeat that I am really really really amazed, what kind of other - sorry - very cool shit there is in here splattered all over the forum ... when my Tau-hammerhead conversion is finished (in approximately 1000 years form now °_O) I will show it, too ^^
It is really great to look at and share all these things!
best wishes
Drachenklinge
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Loving it. I really like the ironclad idea, and the paint and details you are putting into look great.
Keep up the fine work.
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Stunning!
Nothing more I can say.
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Since you had asked, I have posted shots of my Orc ship in another thread, or you can look here. I won't post pictures here - feels like thread hijacking.
Besides, yours is significantly cooler than mine, and I don't need to see how much by putting them side by side.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8766
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This is an amazing build, not to mention the painting 8) - kudos to Sinewgrab too - very Orky!
Afraid scanning the plans for the Volkswagn for you has slipped my mind - been a bit busy at work lately but will endeavour to try and do it this week - mind you it looks like you're doing more than alright on your own! :D
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I really thought a little bit about background and fluff for the machinery, and I came up with the idea of some piston engine. But since a petrol/gasoline/fuel/alcohol-driven engine would make no sense, I "invented" a coal-dust-explosion-machinery. But do not ask me how it is working exactly ... it is top-secret dwarven technology - sorry, folkes! ;D
best wishes
Drachenklinge
A lovely piece of work, sir! About the fuel: I have created the background for a campaign more than a year ago, but due to lack of time it hasn't been activated yet. For those who want to know more about the Dwarven (Dworffs, actually... lol) coal-dust fuel: it's all here (in the introduction to the planet Minerva):
http://www.tsoa.be/minerva_files/titelblad_minerva_chronicles.html
you might also like the Minerva maps at the bottom of the page...
Rudi
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:o Ughhh, this is.....TERRIBLE.... :o
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Wow! :o
That is nothing short of awesome!
Keep up the amazing work!
Peace,
:)