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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on June 22, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
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I'm looking for containers in the 28mm scale, something like these on the pic. I know about the AT-43 containers but as far as I know they're not cheap and probably OOP? Though if anybody knows an inexpensive source to buy them, any links/hints would be very much appreciated.
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Tablescape make a set of three solid ones in their industrial section
http://www.tablescape.co.uk/Catalogue/Industrial/IndustrialRange.htm
Cheapest option would be cardstock ones, I'm sure there are some on the web available if you search for them
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well, they look solide but a bit expensive too. Need lots of them.
Cardstock ones aren't an option to me, plastic ones would be the best.
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Worth contacting Renedra and suggesting the idea to them? I'm sure they'd sell shed loads of them. I'd buy them.
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yes, a real gap in the market.
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Actually, i was in exactly the same position last week until i had a brainwave..
Model Railways!
And found that Hornby make some very nice ones...
And in two sizes... check out your nearest model railway shop or just check out the railway threads on evilbay...
I bought 6 last week for £8! And jolly nice they are too..
A bit of weathering and they look fantastic!
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BTW, if you are looking for a suitable container ship, try looking at the Playmobil Cargo ship.... Also a jolly good buy on evilbay....
Again, just needs a jolly good weathering to turn it from childs toy to East African Tramp steamer....
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Actually, i was in exactly the same position last week until i had a brainwave..
Model Railways!
And found that Hornby make some very nice ones...
And in two sizes... check out your nearest model railway shop or just check out the railway threads on evilbay...
I bought 6 last week for £8! And jolly nice they are too..
A bit of weathering and they look fantastic!
I had a similar brain wave too, but no success yet :) What scale are the Hornby ones? Would it be possible to measure them? Just to get a view of the size.
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Snapdragon/Moondragon produce some futuristic containers:
http://www.moondragons.com/html/frontier_town.html
Or try, Aisnty castings they might have something:
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Snapdragon/Moondragon produce some futuristic containers:
http://www.moondragons.com/html/frontier_town.html
I thought Snapdragon went out of business a couple of months ago? Please correct me if I am wrong, though.
I think the Hornby ones are 00 gauge, i.e. 1/76 scale. Maybe a bit on the small side. Also, the only ones I could see on their website are 30ft, so an intermediate size unlike the more common TEUs and FEUs.
Atlas 0 offer some very good-looking containers in American 0 gauge (1/48):
https://secure.atlasrr.com/ato1/searchresult.asp?PrevBK=400023&NextBK=890001&Nav=N&SW=container&Tp=
But they are ridiculously expensive (30 US$ for a single undecorated 40-foot unit).
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I also thought Snapdragon were no longer in production. A shame if so as I have a few of their bits and they're very nice.
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Snapdragon
I think the Hornby ones are 00 gauge, i.e. 1/76 scale. Maybe a bit on the small side.
That’s the reason why I’ve asked for the size. I’ve seen them on the inet but thought they would be probably too small.
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Siku makes one, replacement part for some truck they make in 1/55 should be available on their websitee :)
edit, gone "now"
here's the old set, i think it's a promothing, an if you'd look around i'm sure you could find a load of them
http://www.scalefarm.com/7018_discontinued-siku_siku_4_x_danzas_containers.htm
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Yep, seen them too, unfortunately OOP and maybe a bit too large with 1:50. I’ve got some 1:50 SIKU cars, they’re not really small. I’ve already ordered four of these containers from a German online shop, would like to check the size before looking for more.
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there are some on terragenesis forum thou they are scratchbuilt :'(
http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/gallery/image.php?id=24005 (http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/gallery/image.php?id=24005)
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They’re looking damn good!
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Found this (google-ed : danzas container)
http://www.arcane-modelisme.com/conteneurs-4-po-ou-danzas/article/50769 (http://www.arcane-modelisme.com/conteneurs-4-po-ou-danzas/article/50769)
That's 4€ /piece. Lot in stock. But overall finish is "meh".
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this is for post apoc backgrounds in the shop?
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Found this (google-ed : danzas container)
http://www.arcane-modelisme.com/conteneurs-4-po-ou-danzas/article/50769 (http://www.arcane-modelisme.com/conteneurs-4-po-ou-danzas/article/50769)
That's 4€ /piece. Lot in stock. But overall finish is "meh".
Way too expensive, ordered the above mentioned ones for 3 EUR each.
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this is for post apoc backgrounds in the shop?
yes, among others things
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I think I should give elladan a heads-up. He's a wiz with stuff like that. Maybe he'll feel inclined to sculpt some.
From all the ones shown in this thread, I'd still prefer the AT-43 ones quality wise, but availability and the resulting price would definitely be a problem.
Probably not an option for you Professor, due to the price, but for completion's sake... Armorcast make a rather large container for 16$ (Linky pushy (http://armorcast.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=700)).
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I thought Snapdragon went out of business a couple of months ago? Please correct me if I am wrong, though.
You are right Chris, I must be living in the past, I still think its the 1980's ;)
I have some of the old Snapdagon ones which is why I mentioned them, very nice stuff he used to produce, shame he's shut it down :(
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You are right Chris, I must be living in the past, I still think its the 1980's ;)
I have some of the old Snapdagon ones which is why I mentioned them, very nice stuff he used to produce, shame he's shut it down :(
It is I always passed them by as the buildings had a fantasy look to them and for me at the time not what I wanted but their future stuff was ideal and I recently picked up a buildng adobe type thing which is ideal for Quar and would have loved to have got my hands on more :(
Minimi make similar resin containers but I think they were around the £5 mark so no good if you want to create a huge wall of them. I think card stock might be the way to go?
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It is I always passed them by as the buildings had a fantasy look to them and for me at the time not what I wanted but their future stuff was ideal and I recently picked up a buildng adobe type thing which is ideal for Quar and would have loved to have got my hands on more :(
Minimi make similar resin containers but I think they were around the £5 mark so no good if you want to create a huge wall of them. I think card stock might be the way to go?
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/Lowtardog/DSCF3370.jpg)
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I think I should give elladan a heads-up. He's a wiz with stuff like that. Maybe he'll feel inclined to sculpt some.
Couldn’t imagine it wouldn’t be worth the effort. Proper cargo containers in the 28 mm should be around 10 cm long and 5 cm wide. A lot of silicone and work and that means a higher price. And I don’t think that many would be willing to pay more than 3-4 EUR for one.
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Have you discounted paper models? Worldworks sells some in their industrial set as well as kitbash area. There are also freebies out there, possibly toposolitario.com iirc.
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how said, unfortunately paper models aren't an option for me.
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the point is that a container is a relatively big piece of stuff... considered all, i had thought about sculpting and casting my own, but the resin cost and the number of pieces (in the simple way, at least 6 of course) make them cost MINIMUM 10 Euros each. Quite a lot for a junkyard.
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Might be worth trying some who produce resin to see if they give discount for bulk or or if they can do ready made stacks perhaps.
I suppose its the weight then becomes an issue
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or make it hollow in the middle?
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or make it hollow in the middle?
lol lol of course: a big container (15 cm x 8 x 8) could cost more than 20 euros only for the resin if it is a one piece.
The point is that you still need six faces, each 3-4 mm thick, it means 4 euro of resin, plus the work of casting, and you still will have to assemble them!
Result: quite an heavy duty, and the price will be quite high.
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What if it's just flat pieces and you have to put them together... Wouldn't that make it viable?
I see Sangennaru answered that already... Cheers, mate. Pity it's not worth it.
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lol lol of course: a big container (15 cm x 8 x 8) could cost more than 20 euros only for the resin if it is a one piece.
The point is that you still need six faces, each 3-4 mm thick, it means 4 euro of resin, plus the work of casting, and you still will have to assemble them!
Result: quite an heavy duty, and the price will be quite high.
I kow the chaps at Minimi and picked the ones up I posted a couple of years ago, they were solid as it is easier to cast as if hollow etc the mould becomes more frigile etc. They were knocking them out at £6 IIRC. I think they work on a rule of thumb that as with the ships they sell 3-6 castings recovers the cost of the mould making and anything over that becomes mainly profit other than labour and resin
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I think one could get away with not supplying a bottom piece..
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5 on six are still needed... at this point the problem remains :)
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hmm, i wonder if lasercutting could be the answer..
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i thought of that before too
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considered the levelled surfaces, with lots of bumps and stuff... i hardly think so. Laser cut may only make Ortogonal cuts!
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but layers?
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any cut is a cost, more layers mean aritmetically an higher cost. :(
at this point the resin will allow you a much detailed and shaped piece :)
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How about using corrugated paper for the sides?
Those have ~3mm deep ridges: http://www.dickblick.com/products/corrugated-paper/
Some single faced industrial corrugated cardboard have bigger ridges
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i will... probably i'll make some experiments and then make a ....
HOLY ****!!!!!!
While answering your post... i had an illumination:::
What if i make the "metal sides" of the containers, only the mechanical parts... leaving all the "corrugated" part to you? in that case you will have really good quality pieces for... well... 4 euros?
What is your feedback about it? I'm not a fast worker, but my quality is quite good! (check on my site www.thelazyforger.com)
It should work... i'm really excited at the moment!
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or do the details in resin and something other material for the body
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or do the details in resin and something other material for the body
lol, that's what i said! :) if you want i can include the corrugated cardboard - it is quite cheap here! ^^
Should it be interesting? (Of course it depends on the quality!)
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i measnt a cheaper resin plastic plasrin .........
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There will be the right one from Pardulon very shortly:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/container.jpg)
A bit smaller than your requirements, but probably useful anyway 8)
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i think thats too sci fi for prof but i dont know and borderlands stuff is always cool :)
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I'd probably just use cardboard. Denting or slight roughness is hardly a major problem, if you're building war zone terrain. However, for brand new ones, there's also corrugated styrene (random shop link (http://www.railwayscenics.com/scale-corrugated-iron-styrene-shee-p-705.html)). Evergreen has plenty of ridge sizes and sheets up to 12" x 24".
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i measnt a cheaper resin plastic plasrin .........
sorry, i'm having problems on understanding you... :)
@Zaf: yours are AMAZING, and i've seen the sketches some time ago...
But i was thinking about something much more simple and huge... something not for the whide public, just for someone who are already into scratchmodelling =) This way i can provide cheap containers without an excessive expense! :)
the twho are basically two different things, meant for different scopes =)
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since prof started this thread i have built a 28mm scratchbuilt container(will post pics sometime)
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plaster+resin =boom!! :o
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plaster+resin =boom!! :o
well, plaster has some big issues:
1) it is quite weak during the shipping
2) it is heavy, so you pay more the shipping
3) the detail quality during the gameplay will be erased
4) you take still a lot of time for casting it... at this point the resin is much more convenient!
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there are some on terragenesis forum thou they are scratchbuilt :'(
Could make them, mold them and cast them. That would get the numbers you are looking for.
Snitchy sends.
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There will be the right one from Pardulon very shortly:
@Zafarelli - they're very cool, Jens, but too sci-fi, I just need the usual cargo containers.
@Sangennaru - it's a good idea for sure to make the parts and offer them with corrugated paper. Unfortunately not for me, I need 25-30 containers. I would prefer to get completed ones, ready to paint. Sticking together 30 of them would drive me crazy :)
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Prof - I can recommend the Tablescape set. Lightweight foam, but good castings.
I did a similar trawl a while ago but couldn't find anything in bulk: Tablescape were the best value and quality (I was happy with) I could find.
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Well, there are some cargo container shaped stress relievers that are roughly the right size, but I've only seen places where you can buy them in bulk (1000), though some will allow you to order a sample.
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I really think the best option would be an open-trough mould which details 5 out of 6 sides (the bottom being blank, and since they would be stacked, it doesn't really need to show detail). An ISO 668 Twenty Foot Equivalent Unit (TEU) would, in 1/55 scale, measure 11x4,4x4,7cm, and would take up a volume of 230 cubic centimetres.
Depending on the quality of the master, the mould should be quite easy to make, and if one uses a casting material like a plastic-ceramic mix (Keramin or Stewalin), it would not be that expensive while being reasonably resilient. Depending on the cost of RTV, using an inner block to create a hollow casting, wall strength ca. 5mm, would reduce casting material quantity and cost.
If I had the money to spare, I would do it myself (with my limited experience in mouldmaking in casting, although what I've done worked out nicely).
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These are the kind I use. This guy has an ebay store. They are O scale, so may be smallish but the prices are good $10.50 US for 2.
http://compare.ebay.com/like/350205615309?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y (http://compare.ebay.com/like/350205615309?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y)
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they're unfortunately not O but H0 Scale and way too small.
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O scale may fit, so :
http://cgi.ebay.com/LIONEL-3-INTERMODAL-CONTAINERS-O-AND-O27-GUAGE-TRAIN-/310327267911?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4840f25247 (http://cgi.ebay.com/LIONEL-3-INTERMODAL-CONTAINERS-O-AND-O27-GUAGE-TRAIN-/310327267911?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4840f25247)
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIONEL-SET-INTERMODAL-CONTAINERS-CP-RAIL-O-O27-/150623138990?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2311d6b4ae (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LIONEL-SET-INTERMODAL-CONTAINERS-CP-RAIL-O-O27-/150623138990?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2311d6b4ae)
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received 4xSiku containers, rather nice. 1:50 Scale. They're 4,4cm x 4,4cm x 11cm and fit well to the 28mm minis. Cost 3 EUR each.
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those almoost look better than my 2 hour container :'(
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those are really nice!! What about the theme? are they only of this colour? ('cause weathering is much faster than painting! ;) )
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Where from Prof? The link posted earlier?
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Oh, yeah, this are quite nice. They seem a bit smaller than the At-43 ones but good detail.
By the way... I'd be grateful for the link as well. I can't seem to find them below 4 € and a buddy would like some for his Level 2 table.
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Got them there:
http://www.spielzeug-versand.com/4-container3424.html
no idea about the other themes, would be great to have more.
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I've seen blue ones on the Internet but I think they have a different code. Thanks, professor!
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I also thought Snapdragon were no longer in production. A shame if so as I have a few of their bits and they're very nice.
Yup Kerry shut shop and wound down all the moulds, he's only doing large limited run pieces now, everthing else has been shelved with no intention to sell the moulds on to anyone.
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I know you didn't want cardboard Alex but Scalescenes have just released these:
http://www.scalescenes.com/products/T031-Shipping-Containers (http://www.scalescenes.com/products/T031-Shipping-Containers)
(http://www.scalescenes.com/images/T031/fullsize/2.jpg)
print to 130% and you're good to go, (same company as I used for my roads and pavements on my zombie table).
The Commander
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they look nice, without doubt, maybe I will give it a go, thanks, Mark!
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received 4xSiku containers, rather nice. 1:50 Scale. They're 4,4cm x 4,4cm x 11cm and fit well to the 28mm minis. Cost 3 EUR each.
they look nice, but you seem to go with thin basing... how tall is the witch head to table including the base?
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The Spanish toy company Joal make some in 1/50th scale to go with some of their toys - lorries and container stackers.
I had thought that one of the styrene sheets made by Ratio/Wills would be perfect for the corrugated sides of a container and that it would be possible to get a block of wood of an appropriate size and stick the sheet to it with Evergreen styrene strip for the edges. Once a mould was made a good quality plaster would suffice to churn them out. Too heavy to post alas.
I remember seeing other containers years ago that were available in a pack but they were too small, real containers are quite big things. I think these may have been the Siku ones that look fine in the pictures posted here.
You can buy some nice looking ones in 1:50th:
http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/Hyundai-2x-20-FT-Container--WSI04-1001.aspx
Not cheap at all and the Joal lorry with containers is cheaper:
http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/DAF-95XF-LO-CAB-ARTICCONTAINER-TRUCK-DAF--JOA348.aspx
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You can buy some nice looking ones in 1:50th:
http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/Hyundai-2x-20-FT-Container--WSI04-1001.aspx
Not cheap at all and the Joal lorry with containers is cheaper:
http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/DAF-95XF-LO-CAB-ARTICCONTAINER-TRUCK-DAF--JOA348.aspx
:o how can the lorry and containers be cheaper than the containers....
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they look nice, but you seem to go with thin basing... how tall is the witch head to table including the base?
about 35mm from the top of the head to the table incl. the base
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about containers... :o
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Take that, Somali Pirates...!
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Take that, Somali Pirates...!
A bit of overkill, isn't it? I mean, people in my field are currently considering (or worrying about, depending on point of view) using security contractors in greater numbers than ever before, but this is ridiculous. lol
Would make for a convincing "Second Cuba Crisis" scenario, though.
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A bit of overkill, isn't it?
Russians are very serious about their toys :D