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Title: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Dan on 14 September 2011, 11:33:27 AM
 I've just had my eyes tested as I'm struggling with close up work both in my job and hobby. I bought two pairs; one for work for long vision and reading books, the other for close up work and long vision which stay on my desk.
 Problem is I'm frustrated with both as I cannot get used to moving my eyes to the correct part of the lense rather than just being free to roam around like normal. My normal vision is actually better from about half a metre to about 1.5 metres and for looking a computer screens.
 I'm really struggling to paint as when I move to my eyes to the water pot or paint its out of focus. When I look at where my figures are waiting to be picked up they are out of focus. When I look at my screens I have to look over the glasses to see properly. They are good for using Greenstuff as you only have to look at the figure most of the time. I've not used my work glasses at all!
I cannot handle wearing either when I look at the figures on my gaming table.

I'm thinking I should have spent $20 on hobby glasses rather than getting sucked into buying proper ones.

Anyone else been through this?
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Big Sexy on 14 September 2011, 12:13:40 PM
I got checked out before because my eyes were bothering when I was painting.  The said I didn't really need glasses and that my eyes were just getting tired.  He had me do some exercises to strengthen my eyes.  It seems to have helped plus I take more breaks when doing close up work. 
Are your glasses bi-foculs? 
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Post by: Bugsda on 14 September 2011, 01:13:00 PM
It takes about five or six weeks to get used to it, I was the same when I first got an optivisor, stick at it.

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Post by: zemjw on 14 September 2011, 01:34:57 PM
I need glasses for close up work as well now  :'(

I don't try to focus closely on the figures when I'm reaching for them, so I don't really notice that problem so much. If I need to pay attention to something that is blurred with the glasses on, I just look over the top, or bottom, of the glasses. I also take them off at every opportunity, to rest my eyes.

As Bugsda said, it takes a few weeks, then it'll seem as if you've always worn them  :(

I do have a couple of pairs of cheap (£1.50) reading glasses, but I hardly ever use them. They're just for the times when the optivisor (in addition to the glasses!!!) gets in the way of my brush and I need the x3 magnification.

This getting old thing gets old real fast  ;D
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Tom Reed on 14 September 2011, 02:01:57 PM
As everyone else has said, it just takes time to get used to it. At some point it will be second nature.
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Post by: psyberwyche on 14 September 2011, 02:04:51 PM
When I first had my lenses with a prism in them, I could barely walk out of the optician's in a straight line :-)

Now I wear em all the time, no problems - your eyes/ brain will adjust over time.
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: FramFramson on 14 September 2011, 05:03:30 PM
Yes, it will take some time to adapt.

Interestingly, I have very poor eyesight and normally go around with a huge pair of coke-bottle glasses (we're talking lenses that are about 1cm thick at the rims), but my focal length is very short. So I have very clear vision at about a 2 inch distance from my eye.

When I paint figures, I often take my glasses off and just hold the figure really close - which gives me much better vision than I get with my glasses on. This amuses me to no end, because I normally never take my glasses off except to sleep.
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Bugsda on 14 September 2011, 08:05:01 PM
...... my focal length is very short. So I have very clear vision at about a 2 inch distance from my eye.

An Optivisor is supposed to extend your focul length, have you ever tried one?
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Post by: fastolfrus on 14 September 2011, 08:10:45 PM
We recently bought a daylight lamp with lots of LED lights, designed for embroidery use, so it doesn't get hot when you work under it. Found that the improved lighting works almost better than glasses, and with glasses is amazing.
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: FramFramson on 14 September 2011, 09:10:37 PM
An Optivisor is supposed to extend your focul length, have you ever tried one?

Wouldn't do much considering how hilariously myopic I am.

I actually don't mind working without my glasses though, so even if an Optivisor were to help, it's a bit redundant. Might as well save a few dollars and avoid wearing a large hat.  ;)
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Post by: Silent Invader on 14 September 2011, 09:19:34 PM
Up until recently I wore contact lenses or glasses to correct my shortsightedness, removing them (or peaking under) when painting to take advantage of my excellent 'really close up' vision.

Now that longsightedness has crept up on me (the age thing) I have to wear bifocals for work and leisure, though I still paint without glasses.  It took me about a month to get used to the bifocals and the switch from in focus to out.

Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Dan on 15 September 2011, 10:20:05 AM
Hi guys thanks for the tips. I have got bi-focals but the two sets of glasses are a different prescription. I think I have worked out that by lowering my desk height and chair it helps a bit. Better angle maybe?
It looks like I will just have to stick at it. I used to be able to focus at about 100mm and was able to paint for hours without a break so am feeling very frustrated just at the moment. I do like what I have managed to paint though.
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Post by: Galland on 15 September 2011, 12:27:07 PM
We recently bought a daylight lamp with lots of LED lights, designed for embroidery use, so it doesn't get hot when you work under it. Found that the improved lighting works almost better than glasses, and with glasses is amazing.

This ^^ and the Optivisor that Bugsda sounds really interesting. I am suffering from the same issues here, as the OP, and I am using rather strong reading glasses to be able to paint (I cant see any details what so ever, or even focus on the miniature). With this in mind, I am thinking of trying the above stuff first, daytime lamp and the Optivisor (what is that? Please help me here hehe), before bying the glasses, since they are $$$$$ here in Sweden.
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Post by: zemjw on 15 September 2011, 01:28:43 PM
As a picture is worth a thousand words  :) Optivisor at Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Donegan-Optical-OptiVISOR-2-5x-at/dp/B0006O8RT6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316089538&sr=8-1)

I use mine for all detail work, although since I bought a new lamp recently, I've not had to use it quite so much. Definitely something to be said for looking at your lighting setup
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Post by: 6milPhil on 15 September 2011, 01:38:11 PM
Sadly you're not the only one. I've had glasses for decades but my aging eyes mean I paint without them now but it's not perfect. Had to give up painting 6mm figures because I can't manage that level of detail consistantly. A bit once and again on larger figures.

We're getting old, lucky we're still handsome eh?  :D
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Bugsda on 15 September 2011, 04:50:53 PM
I use an Ot-lite and an Optivisor and paint all day with breaks every couple of hours, I don't get any headaches or eyestrain unless I do an extra long shift.

Take them away and I couldn't even paint the workbench with any degree of accuracy  lol


Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Silent Invader on 15 September 2011, 07:00:05 PM
I also use a multi-LED light.  Unless it's bright natural daylight I just can't see the fine detail.  Also, don't overlook that as we get older we see less well in poor light.
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Galland on 15 September 2011, 08:49:25 PM
Thank you gentlemen, I will absolutely get one of these, and see if this can help me in my painting adventures.
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Post by: Stecal on 15 September 2011, 09:02:19 PM
We recently bought a daylight lamp with lots of LED lights, designed for embroidery use, so it doesn't get hot when you work under it. Found that the improved lighting works almost better than glasses, and with glasses is amazing.

I need this!  Always getting hot under my lamp (but it is good for drying washes...). 
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Post by: WillieB on 16 September 2011, 01:06:39 AM
Anyone tried these lamps? Relatively expensive.

http://uk.daylightcompany.com/product/daylight-triple-bright-lamp-32500/ (http://uk.daylightcompany.com/product/daylight-triple-bright-lamp-32500/)
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Stecal on 16 September 2011, 01:33:03 AM
I am looking for LED lamp recommendations too.  After travelling about to the various home furnishing stores and finding nada I am resolved to ordering online.
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Post by: Chambersofminiatures on 16 September 2011, 02:22:04 AM
I feel your pain. I started to use an Optivisor a few years ago, but my head was always sweaty. Last year I took the Optivisor to the eye doc and had him write me a script.

Phenomenal cosmic powers...itty-bitty eye wear.
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Post by: zemjw on 16 September 2011, 09:36:19 AM
Someone posted a cheaper place for that triple light. it looks the same to me, but is about half the price - http://www.ukrdesign.co.uk/desk-lamps.htm (http://www.ukrdesign.co.uk/desk-lamps.htm) £67 as opposed to £125.

I'm sure there's a catch  ???
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: WillieB on 16 September 2011, 03:27:29 PM
Quite a difference in price for what looks to me as well exactly the same lamp. Too bad he won't sell outside of the UK/Ireland.
There IS a difference in brightness or how do you say that? Lumen?
The Daylight one states 42 Watt and an equivalent of 240 Watt, this one is 42 and 210 Watt. I use 2 x60Watt  blue daylight bulbs now so I guess even 210 would be a huge difference.
Of course if the cheaper lamps aren't 'flicker-free' you could end up nearly blind and with a gigantic headache after only a few hours.
Title: Re: Painting with glasses? rant alert.
Post by: Hitman on 16 September 2011, 05:43:39 PM
Go to Michaels. They have glasses there for $2 - $4 for reading and doing crafts. My wife had to get them for sewing and up close work such as reading. They come in a lot of "fun" frames...as my wife describes them. I wouldn't wear them if I needed glasses, but they would probably help you to paint, and besides, is there anyone around when you paint???

Just trying to help. Good luck!!
Regards,
Hitman
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