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Title: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 06 November 2011, 04:56:32 AM

What models would be needed to represent them? I was thinking about using models of the helicopters from M*A*S*H (the name and designation escape me right now).

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Aldramelech on 06 November 2011, 07:18:37 AM

Three helicopter types were used in Korea:

Sikorsky H-5, HO3S-1

Sikorsky YH-19, H-19, HRS-1

Bell H-13, HTL-4 (which is the one you were thinking of)

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Weird WWII on 06 November 2011, 03:39:24 PM

Use the WWII-era copters.
US R-4 Hoverfly
US R-5

If you want dedicated troops transports for the US, the earliest would be the H-21 Shawnee/Workhorse but better know as the "flying banana"

All can can be bought in 1/48 or 1/72.  The 1/48 kits are a bit more rare so they tend to cost a bit.

Brian

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/kampfgruppecottrell/300px-R-4_AC_HNS1_3_300.jpg)
R-4

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/kampfgruppecottrell/220px-050429-F-1234P-026.jpg)
R-5

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/kampfgruppecottrell/CH21loadup.jpg)
H-21

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Cory on 06 November 2011, 04:30:09 PM

Helicopters are rather post war - I'd go with ASAAC autogyros

http://youtu.be/0hCOzuo5Re4

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 06 November 2011, 07:02:57 PM

Quote from: Cory on 06 November 2011, 04:30:09 PM

Helicopters are rather post war - I'd go with ASAAC autogyros

http://youtu.be/0hCOzuo5Re4

 ::) Well, the R-5, and R-4 were developed during the war, with the R-4 actually being used in the Pacific as a S&R bird. Although, it looks like an utogyro could be ued for recon purposes.

(I wonder...... Could I make weird war modifications for Flames of War?)

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: basaint on 16 November 2011, 07:36:30 PM

maybe bash a r-5 into a longer shell then it could be a small transport.

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 16 November 2011, 09:55:26 PM

That was what I was thinking of doin', however, I can't work on the actual minis yet. I have been drawing "concept art". lol

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: CompanyB on 04 December 2011, 05:08:05 AM

The R-5 was used for search ad rescue with it's maiden flight in 1943 and in testing through the war.  It's conceivable it would of been in full use for a Weird War Scenario.  It was outfitted to carry two stretchers on the exterior.  So perhaps having Special Forces platform instead for quick in and out missions.

Were making  kits of German gear that was just wood mockups in 1945.  I'd think anything used the the early 1950's would be fair game.

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 04 December 2011, 05:22:50 AM

Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, I think taking the Hearts of Iron II route, and making early-'50s stuff.

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Phil_McCrackin on 06 December 2011, 12:31:13 AM

I could see R5's being used like littlebirds.  Rangers or whoever riding on seats on the outside - a quick land with the commandos jumping off and the bird taking off again, maybe being covered by a gunship version that has a couple M1919/AN-M2 in a pod above the skid

I can almost see a Black Hawk Down type scenario.  Platoon of rangers trapped behind the lines trying to capture nazi officials, surrounded by hostile yet very green Volkssturm units.  Supported by R5's doing gun-runs to try to open up a corridor for supporting infantry on Jeeps to break through to the rangers.

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 06 December 2011, 01:17:54 AM

Quote from: Phil_McCrackin on 06 December 2011, 12:31:13 AM

I could see R5's being used like littlebirds.  Rangers or whoever riding on seats on the outside - a quick land with the commandos jumping off and the bird taking off again, maybe being covered by a gunship version that has a couple M1919/AN-M2 in a pod above the skid

I can almost see a Black Hawk Down type scenario.  Platoon of rangers trapped behind the lines trying to capture nazi officials, surrounded by hostile yet very green Volkssturm units.  Supported by R5's doing gun-runs to try to open up a corridor for supporting infantry on Jeeps to break through to the rangers.

<.<

>.>

^.^

I might have to steal that idea. lol

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Weird WWII on 06 December 2011, 01:57:21 AM

Although I got my US Heliborne troops I still haven't committed to my US helos yet but below are my German Heliborne commandos.  x2 FA 223 transports and a FL 282 for recon along with 2 Luther Class armored mechanical walkers (hauled by the Dragons) and commandos.  Although I'm pushing the troop capability for the Dragons a bit with 11 w/Pilot and hauling a Luther, it in theory is a all helo-tranported army.  The 282 hold a crew of two so I made some ground minis of them as FOs for German guided munitions.  They land behind enemy lines, hump it in the bush and call down some Fritz Xs for ground use.

I hope to buy a  Special Hobby H-21 Shawnee and a R-4 but gotta pay that rent and medical bills and such first.  Those H-21s can carry a understrength platoon in their guts so if your playing Axis, be sure to use those quad-20s and plaster them first and if those are your birds you better smoke that board before you come in.

Brian

(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x350/weirdwwii/Web%20Site%20Use/IMG_6959.jpg)

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 06 December 2011, 02:53:33 AM

That army makes me jealous, even though they are Axis. ;)
Thank you for the words of wisdom, I'll have to check out those kits from Special Hobby.

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Johan on 06 December 2011, 09:17:14 AM

As it is weird world war 2 , couldn't aircav be on pegasus horses?

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 06 December 2011, 10:29:05 AM

Quote from: Johan on 06 December 2011, 09:17:14 AM

As it is weird world war 2 , couldn't aircav be on pegasus horses?

Don't be silly. Everyone knows that in WW2, there were only Pegasus bridges, not horses.

;)  lol

@Topic:

The helicopter assault concept is so intriguing - I have to admit I took the easy way out and went for a flying saucer in the first place.

But if you want something to carry the mechs, you might take a look at the FA-284:

(http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/fa284/fa284col.jpg)

A conceptual design, but theoretically feasible and plausible for a "longer war" approach - also, it looks like it could carry a mech or two, or you could equip the mech with disposable wings or parakites to be towed by the helicopter or a converted JU-52... Unfortunately, you would have to scratchbuild the FA-284 in your scale (I actually started one, but the approach (XPS styrofoam) wasn't durable enough).

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Weird WWII on 06 December 2011, 10:48:39 AM

That would be a great addition!  Now we need some of the genius LAFers to build it.;)

Great find,
Brian

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: 6milPhil on 06 December 2011, 10:51:21 AM

Plenty to choose from for all sides...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopters_used_in_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopters_used_in_World_War_II)

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Mr.Marx on 06 December 2011, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: MajorTalon on 06 November 2011, 07:02:57 PM

(I wonder...... Could I make weird war modifications for Flames of War?)

I got there first :)

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: MajorTalon on 06 December 2011, 10:07:14 PM

 :o :o


Links please. :D

Quote

Kellet Cobra XX-9 (Attack helicopter)

Anyone know anything about this? Google and Bing only bring links to the list.

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: Jakar Nilson on 07 December 2011, 04:44:49 AM

Quote from: MajorTalon on 06 November 2011, 07:02:57 PM

(I wonder...... Could I make weird war modifications for Flames of War?)

Well, there is a Gear Krieg/Flames of War Yahoo! group...

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: FATROC on 16 December 2011, 05:47:35 AM

Revell has made a 1/48th scale H-19/S-55 since the mid fifties. You can find various releases of this kit on ebay pretty cheap. It first flew in November of 1949, so the idea of it being pushed into production earlier is not too far fetched. I actually picked up 3 of them to carry my SOTR-49 AirCav squads! I have an R-4 to arm as a light attack-spotter helicopter.  ;D

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: SBMiniaturesGuy on 16 December 2011, 03:47:33 PM

If you play skirmish, the NUTS! WW2 supplement "War Without End" has helicopter rules and stats for all of the helicopters used in the war, primarily US & German, but also the Cierva autogyro which was manufactured globally and saw some combat service in a recon role in many theaters of the war.

http://www.twohourwargames.com/warwiendwewa.html

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-130746355028727_2186_10191347)

Quote from: Jakar Nilson on 07 December 2011, 04:44:49 AM

Well, there is a Gear Krieg/Flames of War Yahoo! group...

Title: Re: WWW2 US AirCav?
Post by: FATROC on 16 December 2011, 06:13:13 PM

Thank you for the info. I'll pick up a copy, and check out the rules. :)