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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Triumph & Tragedy => Topic started by: MaxxVane on 08 December 2007, 08:31:16 AM
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Any news when we will be able to see some stuff about the SCW book ?
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Well, I´m currently bringing the finished stuff more in line with our new design concept (the one seen in the book, the Spain thing has been in the making for a long time already). What I can tell you is that the core lists are done, and now it´s mainly a matter of layout work and getting it to the printers. A conservative estimate, we´ll have it out by February.
I´m going to upload two sample illustrated force lists over the course of the weekend.
As a teaster, here are some of the projected force lists contents: Spanish Foreign Legion, Moroccan Regulars, Nationalist and Republican Militias, International Brigades, Guardia Civil and Regular Army, specific data and rules for a number of vehicles used and some "preconstructed" heroes - ie you´ll pay slightly less points for those and will automatically get specialised skills only available to those, but won´t be able to roll up specific skills for them.
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Cool
Foreign Legion & Anarchists first please :D
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Spanish Foreign Legion, Moroccan Regulars, Nationalist and Republican Militias, International Brigades, Guardia Civil and Regular Army
But where are the Carlists ?!? :?:
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But where are the Carlists ?!? :?:
At church.
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At church.
:lol:
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Spanish Foreign Legion, Moroccan Regulars, Nationalist and Republican Militias, International Brigades, Guardia Civil and Regular Army
But where are the Carlists ?!? :?:
Ayayay, I´m currently thinking about having them as a sub-option of the "Nationalist Militias" list.
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Spanish Foreign Legion, Moroccan Regulars, Nationalist and Republican Militias, International Brigades, Guardia Civil and Regular Army
But where are the Carlists ?!? :?:
Ayayay, I´m currently thinking about having them as a sub-option of the "Nationalist Militias" list.
Isn't that to downgrade them a little too much? As I understand my litterature Carlists were shock troops with heavy casualities.
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Isn't that to downgrade them a little too much? As I understand my litterature Carlists were shock troops with heavy casualities.
I think so, too. I read the Navarrese Brigades were considered as "elite"...
they were highly motivated, often fought at hot spots and had a casulty rate of 10%.
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For what I read the Carlist had some very good troops... and other not so good. :wink:
The best, by far, was the 4th Navarrese division. Perhaps at the same level of the Foreign Legion or the Regulars.
Of the Republicans, one of the best units was the 82nd Mixed Brigade... At least up to Teruel. Afterwards they suffered decimation as punishment for mutiny. Apparently they have been in the frontline for 9 months without rest, and after Teruel the Republican High Command wanted to send them to another hot spot. And thus they went to strike! :o... The Government wouldn't allow it, so they surrounded the unit with troops and then casted lots to select who would be shot... I don't remember exactly the numbers but I believe some 40 or perhaps 50 soldiers were shot for military rebellion.
The rest of the unit submitted. I don't know the rest of the story, but I'll look for it if you're interested.
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After Listers Division fled at Brunete (despite their reputation for Iron Discipline) 400 !!! of them were shot. Madness.
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Carlists should be rated highly, anyone who wears a red beret to fight has got be hard as nails :lol:
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Well, but afterall, they were no permanent standing army, but militias of royalist insurgents, of varying quality.
So, it´s mainly down to what organisation level one wants to allow them, and the level of equipment. That said, it´s still in the early stages, so they´ll certainly be included, and they still might get their own section.
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Well, but afterall, they were no permanent standing army, but militias of royalist insurgents, of varying quality.
So, it´s mainly down to what organisation level one wants to allow them, and the level of equipment. That said, it´s still in the early stages, so they´ll certainly be included, and they still might get their own section.
Depends on the year.
In 1936 and early 1937 you are right. They were militias, though motivated. From middle 1937 onwards, probably most of the new recruits were not as well motivated like the earlier drafts, but they were more veterans. Actually, towards the end of the war (say Spring 1938) they were practically the same as any other Nationalist regular unit.
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Bump :D
Any news or previews yet ?
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Max !
The rules are nearly finnished.
Chris can tell you more. A few things need to be discussed. We had a huge testgame last weekend. It was a blast. Report will be here soon.
Cheers
Björn
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Sweet :P
Legion and Anarchists painted and ready to play
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Max !
The rules are nearly finnished.
Chris can tell you more. A few things need to be discussed. We had a huge testgame last weekend. It was a blast. Report will be here soon.
Cheers
Björn
Good news, played a small game last week with two units a side.
One IB and Anarchist for the Republic. One Falange and Carlist for the Nationalists. Used the rules as is except we classed the Carlists as raw but did not apply the -1 morale modifier.
It was a win for the Republic but not for me, hurrah! anyway :)
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This seems to be quite a popular period at the moment and quite interesting with all the different troop types involved. What books would people recommend as a primer for the period?
Steve
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The Battle for Spain - Anthony Beevor - A fairly balanced view
The Spanish Civil War - Hugh Thomas - Considered to by some to be the authorative book on the conflict
Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell - Fought in the POUM militia and recorded his experiences in this book.
The Spanish Civil War - Patrick Turnbull - Osprey, with colour plates based off Uniformes Militares en color de la Guerra Espanol by J.M. Bueno
Also from Osprey - Spanish Foreign Legion - Men at Arms
The International Brigades - Elite
The Ebro 1938 - Campaign
La Ultima Cruzada: A Wargamers Guide to the SCW - B Cordery - Partizan Press
There are lots more out there, I have not listed all the ones I own even, all have their own bias of course but should help with your understanding, but as Robin Hunt wrote in one of his excellent SCW articles in Military Modelling " to really understand you have to be Spanish"
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Another good one is Franz Borkenau´s "Kampfplatz Spanien". The English title (it was originally published in London in 1937) is "The Spanish Cockpit. An Eye-Witness Account of the Political and Social Conflicts of the Spanish Civil War".
Borkenau was a left-wing german journalist who had emigrated in the early 1930s, then went to Spain (at least) twice to report on the war. As the title implies, it´s less on actual battles (although there are some) but rather more focused on the sociocultural aspects. It´s a good read and nowhere as dry as this description might make it sound.
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Many thanks for that Phil and Chris, that's really useful.
Do the Osprey books have good coverage of the various uniforms?
Steve
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Many thanks for that Phil and Chris, that's really useful.
Do the Osprey books have good coverage of the various uniforms?
Steve
Yup, but the Bueno book is probably the bible for uniforms.
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i'd really love to build up a militia for scw (CNT or POUM). but i'm still not shure if i should again spent money (an i dont have much of it...) on minis that will just stand here and look nice. i just dont know anyone in berlin who might be interestet in playing scw (or any group thats more in doing historical/pulp stuff than in warhammer and so on...). and i'd really like to do some games (many, if possible) with a force i build.
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I understand that Florin. I lived for years in the wargaming wastelands ( not Berlin - speaking in general ) until I discovered my wargaming buddies.
Until I found them I spent time to paint my armies and I never gave up the hope that there must be someone outside ... :)
Cheers
Björn
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well, couldnt hold me back anyway. :roll:
just ordered some anglian militias yesterday (just two packs for the beginning).
maybe i'll find someone to do some games when i have the "equipment".... :mrgreen:
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Max !
The rules are nearly finnished.
Chris can tell you more. A few things need to be discussed. We had a huge testgame last weekend. It was a blast. Report will be here soon.
Cheers
Björn
Bump... just to keep you on your toes :D
I'm looking forwards to this supplement... so one guaranteed sale here at least.
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Hi Jim,
the rules are finnished, just a little bit playtesting left. We also need some pictures and we have to finnish the layout.
The supplement will contain new rules for vehicles, new actions, new rules in general and the army lists for the SCW with heroes, special units etc.
I think Chris did a great job !
Cheers
Björn
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Hi Jim,
the rules are finnished, just a little bit playtesting left. We also need some pictures and we have to finnish the layout.
The supplement will contain new rules for vehicles, new actions, new rules in general and the army lists for the SCW with heroes, special units etc.
I think Chris did a great job !
Cheers
Björn
Thanks for the update Björn :)