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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: FramFramson on 13 December 2011, 06:09:39 AM
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You guys were very helpful last time (I know I picked a figure I found myself, but I found it while searching for figures you folks suggested AND you suggested two more figures I needed for other things), so here I am asking for suggestions again after looking at dozens of minis makers without success.
So another figure I need is a sort of noble troll or ogre chieftain for a band of mercenaries.
My main requirements are:
- A big stocky type
- 30/32mm (30/32mm SCALE scale that is - this would be a "big" guy, so I'm sure it's real height will be more)
- Must show intelligence, unlike most ogres, trolls etc.
- No mouth tusks or horribly oversized lower jaw.
- Rough gear, similar to Conan, or perhaps a bit more clothed/armoured. Either is fine. No "drooling caveman" stuff though (wooden clubs, a big bone, etc.).
- Better quality sculpts is desirable (well, showing intelligence is tougher, so that sort if inherently requires better sculpting anyway)
This conversion of King Maulg is just about perfect - shows you exactly what I'm looking for - but the big problem is that King Maulg is a 54mm figure (booooo-urns), so no good for me! :( :( :(
(http://www.fotothing.com/photos/f0e/f0eeab6ec85a67a18ba7a74d67f07510_df2.jpg)
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A couple of GW's ogres might work, although they may be a bit too tusky. I really like this first fellow, in particular (posting links in GW's case, not pictures, since I understand they are touchy about that sort of thing):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat670013a&prodId=prod1320022a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat670013a&prodId=prod1320024a
Unfortunately, I think the chests may be molded to the second fellow. They new resin versions are more pricey than the original, but you could probably track the metal ones down.
Here is a nice Hasslefree figure - probably too armored and tusky, but a nice figure:
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/le2010b.jpg)
Otherworld miniatures:
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ogrewarrior3paint1.jpg)
Avatars of War:
(http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/images/minis/aow32/aow32_blister.jpg)
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I'm not against GW figures per se, but GW ogres have a very distinctive and grotesque character, thanks to their FAT HUNGRY GUYS fiction and the Avatars of war figure kind of falls under that. They're also quite a bit larger than I'm looking for (GW ogres are BIG!). The hasslefree figure is neat, but yeah, he's a bit too orky-tusky-spiky no matter which iteration you assemble. I'm not against armour at all (a helmet and some light torso armour and/or a tunic are just fine!), but not full plate.
Some nice figures, just not quite "there".
For what it's worth, I'm also willing to assemble a figure from various bits. It may be that if I can get a good head, I can find a body that'll work from among the more savage "regular" ogre/troll/big orc types.
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There's also this fellow from Otherworld.
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ogrechieftainpaint1.jpg)
he stands at 50mm though which might be too tall for you?
Lovely figure, I've got him half painted here now. :)
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I vote for this guy, but I'm a huge fan of this style:
(http://displacedminiatures.com/images/img.1156534411520.jpg)
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So I went back and looked at the figure I'm replacing (this is for the replacement of an atrocious-quality stock figure) and realized that this sort-of-ogre species/race is only slightly larger than regular humans. So maybe in the 35mm-38mm range, if you're going with 30/32mm humans.
So, it's more that a really stocky, large human would do. But it can't obviously look like just a large human. A half-orc or something would probably do.
The main thing is that intelligent, "leader" look, which is usually absent from big bruiser types - human OR orc/troll/etc. Again, there's probably a lot of bodies I could use (i.e. headswap), it's the face/head that are key.
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how about some of these guys?
(http://www.solegends.com/citc/c23ogresawd110x.jpg)
I reckon the two middle ones.
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That troll in the first post would look good in a Scandinavian fantasy setting (recently made known as 'Skägglav' or 'Treemoss'). Perhaps a with a nose job, i.e. enlargement.
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While the op's sample model captures the "noble" qualities of a troll or ogre character that certainly is unique sentiment for the creature archtype we're dealing with here- especially in the miniatures available for typical fantasy settings.
also its too big? that is certainly a tough order to fill!
here are my two suggestions after your "half-orc" narrowing.
(http://red-box-games.com/shop/images/RBG%20Halfblood%20Jarek.JPG)
or
(http://red-box-games.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24&products_id=130)
both redbox games:
http://red-box-games.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=24&zenid=46fcc9d400822672dfb1901b609278ea
They are literal half orcs, slightly oversized jaw, but no tusks. Armed in such a manner to make conan proud, and while not familiar with red box's scaling- I'd imagine these fellows to be taller than a standard human- but perhaps still short of the 32mm mark.
They have the ogre quality down, still looking human...ish, but definitely standing apart. They don't look much like your OP sample though. But are you looking for an ogre look or a troll look? OP's sample is far more a troll, while I believe ever subsequent post has been in the ogre field- imho anyway. I find there to be slight differences between the two, trolls having a more fey like quality- if not distorted there of; i.e. fairy tale fantasy. While ogres are more degenerated human stock, if not in actuality at least with practicality of aesthetics.
follow the link to see more of the "half-blood" characters. if you like these suggestions, there are more miniatures to fill in different roles within a community. gnarled bearded half bloods with staves. viziers and shamans, mmm mmm.
good luck with the project, and if you're still not having luck try to narrow down the ogre vrs. troll look and perhaps post some concept art or illustrations from the material (if any!) you're drawing the inspiration from for your setting. while its very impressive if this all your own creation, its always very difficult to translate whats in your head!
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I have looked through Red-Box's offerings before and while those two caught my eye, they're actually about the same size as his regular humans, which makes them look even more out of scale than his human/elf figures. The real height of those figs is about 28mm. Also, they have a much more "thuggish" look than that of a leader.
Going by your description, I guess I'm looking for something more troll-ish? Or maybe half-troll-half ogre? A big-ish nose is actually fine, as most of the other minis I am trying to match have them. Really, a lot of minis makers will blur the line between trolls, orcs, and ogres, so I was trying not to exclude any mini that might fit visually but be labelled something else.
This is a real tough one, I know. Most "monster" races will normally be played to stereotype. I've almost never seen any with the placid, almost tragic face that Maulg has.
EDIT: One thing to add is that the least important thing is the gear. The race (don't have any old concept images, there never was much), is basically a primitive tribal race of rock-throwers, with a few "civilized" specimens. The figure I'm looking to replace - a mercenary captain who has vastly exceeded the expectations for anyone of his race - could have anything from boots, loincloth, and sword, to full adventuring gear in mostly-good condition. It's the face that's key. That's why I keep going on about being willing to do head swaps.
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What about Heresy Big Boris http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_18_13&products_id=4
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How about the Ogre Penitent from WOC D&D Chainmail line of figs? It's a great fig, and not too big, size-wise.
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If you really like the king Maulg figure maybe you should visit Alan Carrasco's website http://www.allancarrasco.net/ his portfolio is arranged by company so you might Stoke it lucky after some clicking....
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Just spotted this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northern-Wastes-Troll-Warhammer-Mordheim-RPGs-/150703776118?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item2316a52176
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Reaper has some that would fit the bill, I'm sure. Tried using their "Figure Finder" utility?
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I had a look for ogres using Reaper's figure finder, and they all looked too bestial to fit what Fram described.
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I had a look for ogres using Reaper's figure finder, and they all looked too bestial to fit what Fram described.
They're also pretty crude. I am not one to rag on Reaper - they have plenty of good sculpts and many of them match the scale I'm using. But their orcs and ogres are certainly not their best stuff.
Been searching off an on... this fellow (http://privateerpress.com/files/products/minions/solos/gudrun-the-wanderer.png) is probably good scale-wise (might be a little big, but I think I can make it work), and his gear works very well for a mercenary captain (my fellow isn't armed with a glaive, but that's an incredibly easy fix). Too bad he's such an angry fellow. :'(
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He is rather nice, actually.
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Ral Partha orcs/trolls/ogres?
Don't know how to post JavaScript images!
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/02148b-ogre-with-greatsword-p-1770.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/02144c-troll-light-infantry-sword-2-p-1764.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/02265b-orc-light-gutter-sword-2-p-2059.html
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Those first two have potential, for the heads at least... wish I could see 'em painted. It's tough to see what they really look like from those photos.
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Really should paint mine....
They're very nice Bob Olley sculpts.
Edit:
I found some images of the range painted on google.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XJ4M39a8Lek/S-jnpnyqkEI/AAAAAAAABLw/lOnDwqG3VcU/s400/ral_partha_bob_olley_troll_01_1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XJ4M39a8Lek/S-jn7DlzFjI/AAAAAAAABL4/wZ5So9vfhqE/s1600/ral_partha_bob_olley_troll_08_1.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jVLPvN4HoqY/St9aCl8Qv6I/AAAAAAAAIi8/Wd1chFXFAzA/s400/21+october+09+04.jpg)
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Arent the top 2 pics our very own Prof's work?
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I thought that they looked familiar!
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Oh wow, I just realized: The stock sculpts for this tribe are literally the first and third figures (though plastic). The exact same ones. The unique is supposed to be a tribesman who "Got civilization" and became a mercenary captain, but it was sculpted much later by a very poor sculptor (which is why I'm trying to replace him).
Might get the third and see if I can mount his head on a body with better gear.
That's an incredible find... thanks guys!
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Plastic? I'd like to know more about those. ???
You'd best have a good look through the ogres/trolls on the Ral Partha website then as they're all the Olley sculpts, you'll definately get a match! :D
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They were Mage Knight figures. The ogre-ish primitive tribe was called the "Krugg" subfaction. They were "Mage Spawn" (neutral figures who could be used in any army). In your pictures above, the 1st fellow was the "Krugg Heaver" and the third was the "Krugg Thug".
I have a long-term project to slowly replace/or repaint all the ugliest sculpts (or mediocre sculpts on figures I like/use a lot) in my collection.
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I think these two are great candidates.
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/02149a-ogre-spearman-p-1771.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/02144a-troll-with-scythe-p-1762.html
The rogueish spearchucker is neat (though the spear arm would need a substantial and kind of awkward conversion), but the scythe-wielding fellow's face is fantastic. He has this perfect sort of wry, command-worn expression. If I can find a great body to transpose that head onto, I'll be set.
EDIT:
The third figure you posted is also a possibility
(http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/02144c-troll-light-infantry-sword-2-p-1764.html)
I just realized it was the other Troll Swordsman listed on that page that was the Krugg Thug. The sculpt with the cut-off top-knot was never used.
So many useful figures... maybe I'll be able to add further custom ones. :-*