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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Steve F on December 25, 2011, 06:16:48 PM
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Mantic has photos up now, and the first advanced-order deals, for its future human faction, the Corporation.
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Warpath/Corporation.html?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=0d30a3d785-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_Christmas&utm_medium=email (http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Warpath/Corporation.html?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=0d30a3d785-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_Christmas&utm_medium=email)
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/SteveFlanaganUK/2011%20-%2012%20-%20Dec/19141368368FFFFFF0.jpg)
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/SteveFlanaganUK/2011%20-%2012%20-%20Dec/19051368368FFFFFF0.jpg)
Assuming those aren't renders, they are nicely done, though the design is a bit more primitive than I'd hoped for: squared-off armour with rivets (though the latter can be fixed with a quick knife-cut, I suppose), oversized guns, a cigar, a sword (one of my pet hates in SF, though I suppose you can wheel out the old Traveller explanation that swords are kept for boarding actions because you can't risk the damage caused by shooting inside a spaceship).
Worth a look, anyway. It'll be interesting to compare Mantic's finished item with those from Defiance.
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They look excellent!
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To be honest, based on the two shown, I won't be rushing out to buy them. Zip appeal to me despite the sculpting.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Those are excellent! At the very least they are not as "fantasy" as the Forgefathers and Orx; and if they're in the same pricerange as their other Warpath offerings, then I'm definately rushing out to buy some!
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Best mantics so far. For once I'll buy some of them.
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I like them.
Will for sure get the General, the guy with the cigar.
He has some different arm-options, so you don't have to use the sword ;)
Will use him as some sort of Hardboiled Investigator/Mercenary.
Looking forward to the Veterans
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Trooper looks great! Very generic Sci-Fi. Weapons could be a tad smaller but that's a major problem in just about any line these days. Could do without the sword on the general as well. I'm not completely against Swords in Sci-fi but I don't like the design of that one and I don't like to see them that often. Perhaps in the hands of assassins and such.
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Looks to Games-Workshopy for me
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..what I have seen so far from Mantic does not really "ring" to me.
More or less an uninspired GW clone. :-X
The above sculpts look nice, but how many more Imperial Guard trooper do we really need?
8) ;)
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Not too bad.. I wonder how the troopers would look with those cyber samurai heads I saw recently?
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Hmm, not a big fan of the trooper... Those shoulder pads look naff, rifle is oversized and the helmet looks weird. But it could be ok with a bit of work.
Really like the first sculpt though. As for the sword, from the concept sketches isn't the right arm with the pistol the separate arm? Anyway, sword aside... I get a nice dark future vibe, I'm seeing him being used as a Shadowrun character.
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The scout figures and heavy weapons teams look ok
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I like them. I don't know about the whole set, but it could be a valid choice for some kind of faction! cheaper than any other trooper, it could be used in many settings.
but i wouldn't make a whole army by them.
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I think a lot of people are missing a good role for these fella's, Rage/Borderlands future nazi's
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These figures are ok but a question keeps on nagging at me.
Why is the future (40K, Mantic etc etc) always fascist? Their spray on the Corporation is quite horrid. ("future Nazis", aarrggh)
If this is the future, it's going to be really boring.
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These figures are ok but a question keeps on nagging at me.
Why is the future (40K, Mantic etc etc) always fascist? Their spray on the Corporation is quite horrid. ("future Nazis", aarrggh)
If this is the future, it's going to be really boring.
So people dont feel to bad about slaughtering 100's of them in intreasting ways? When you play a computer game or watch a movie where evil stormtrooper types are blown apart or killed in amusing ways, do you feel bad about it or feel sorry for them?
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Fair cop. I suppose I'm just not that into random mass murder or computer gaming. lol lol
Anyway the Mantic figures are amusing. I'd enjoy painting them up as "Hello Kitty" marines.
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I like them quite a bit, but then I'm an Imperial Guard nut and think these chaps will do stellar service as yet more grist to the mill of the 42nd Millenium.
Yes, 42nd. ;)
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I think they're nice enough sculpts... nothing special in the styling though. So I'm kinda 'meh' about them. They don't look all that 'GW' to me though, which is a nice change of pace coming from Mantic.
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Why is the future (40K, Mantic etc etc) always fascist? Their spray on the Corporation is quite horrid. ("future Nazis", aarrggh)
Well IMO Nazis are just the "perfect" bad guys. ::) ;)
Think of Indiana Jones, when the main enemy was a Nazi it was just easier to dislike him, in part 4 I quite "like" the Soviets...
In addition so many wargames seem to like the fascist look. o_o
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These figures are ok but a question keeps on nagging at me.
Why is the future (40K, Mantic etc etc) always fascist? Their spray on the Corporation is quite horrid. ("future Nazis", aarrggh)
If this is the future, it's going to be really boring.
You can't probably run a galaxy on peace, love and understanding.
Well you could, but in the end you'll get invaded by the evil fascists in sparkling black uniforms and short caps.
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You can't probably run a galaxy on peace, love and understanding.
Well you could, but in the end you'll get invaded by the evil fascists in sparkling black uniforms and short caps.
Oh, don't misunderstand me. I'm as keen as jumping up and down on evil alien overlords as the next sixteen-tentacled xenomorph. Given the restrictions on light speed and the relative (sorry) time lags, I wonder if it's just going to be a bunch of individual planetary civilizations making first and only contact with each other. By the time they get back to their Homeworld, everything's been fundamentally altered and no-one remembers them. Which makes for an interesting scenario in itself.
I apologise to Mantic for hi-jacking the thread. Christmas gives me some free time and access to quality claret.
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..what I have seen so far from Mantic does not really "ring" to me.
More or less an uninspired GW clone. :-X
The above sculpts look nice, but how many more Imperial Guard trooper do we really need?
8) ;)
Ditto, all this Mantic stuff is so derivative I nearly prefer the Evil Empire ones.
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Maybe they'll look better if one changes the "lasgun" to an assault rifle and the officers "powersword" to a slender cavalry sabre from the Perry's range
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they're very similar to Forgeworld's Elysian Drop Troopers (which I like) - the fact that they're cast in resin (great for converting) has persuaded me to give them a try...
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I thought that they would go plastic on these.
Or did I just ignore the wall of text somewhere in the link?
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It says:
"Product Type: Plastic Resin Miniature," except for the officer, who is metal. By the way, his alternative hand is a power fist of some sort, which isn't much of an improvement.
As I said, they look like perfectly decent minis. I just don't care for the style (though they might make a basis for Forest Rangers from "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe", I suppose).
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Maybe that's why they didn't appeal. I absolutely reject anything that reeks of GW. Besides, I am still looking to find 25/28/30 mm figures to fill very specific niches only (Historical and SF; Fantasy I pretty much have chosen to limit forces to Mice and Dwarf forces.)
Oh well, I m sure they will have a market - just not my pocketbook. Resin, though? Hmm, I am not comfortable yet with resin foot troopers.
Gracias,
Glenn
Who has no qualms with killing Nazi's, Communists, or anybody else for that matter when it's a game...
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I think these corporation troops look pretty good and quite generic. Everyone is saying that they look GW when all I can see is a lasgun barrel and maybe the front of the helmet being inspired by them...but I guess people see what they want to see.
I won't be buying any but I would never write anything off just because it looked like someone's style...I may need that rifle, helmet or backpack for any number of projects, for example.
The one thing that Mantic REALLY needs to get right is the scaling between their plastic and resin miniatures...The Forgeguard that I have are completely miss-matched, with the resin being noticeably smaller than the plastic stuff. If they can't get the basics right, then style/look is irrelevant.
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I like the General, but the others not as much... HOWEVER, the price can't be beat... a pound a figure if you buy the army set. Assuming that the sculpts are of the quality of the stuff they've already posted, that's a fantastic deal.
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As an experiment, I've crudely photo-edited one of the images to simulate the easy modifications of cutting off most of the rivets and shortening the gun barrel.
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/SteveFlanaganUK/2011%20-%2012%20-%20Dec/Test.jpg)
Looks rather better, I think.
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Looks rather better, I think.
Sure does!
Be interesting to see the sprues.
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Ugh! Didn't notice the 'resin' thing... non-starter for me then anyway. Hard plastic is fine but I don't want resin troops (unless it's some new miracle resin that's just like hard plastic and won't shatter if I drop it or melt if the sunlight hits it or have all its details rub off in a month or two...).
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Let's hope Mantic are reading the thread and noting comments - you never know.
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Huge turn off: The rivits. What the hell did they do that for? The concept art looked nice enough for near-future infantry (Halo sprang to mind), but the rivits just kicked that in the crotch. I cannot stress enough how much I dislike them in this case.
Don't get me wrong: Show me steampunk up through deiselpunk and I'll absolutely love the rivits. But not on these.
In that light, that photoshopped picture makes them look 100x better. But that's a lot of work, cuting of every rivit.
Stupid.
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Well, I like them. I've been waiting for an excuse to buy Mantic stuff for a while now...!
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Rivets or no rivets, that's slightly beside the point in my mind. What's more important for me is - no skulls!
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I think they look decent enough as long as there is some posablility and not just 2 variations of the same mini in the box. As far as looking exactly like gw, really? I dont see it. The only similarity in the entire figure I notice is the laser gun tips, and like the rivets, thats an easy fix.
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These figures are ok but a question keeps on nagging at me.
Why is the future (40K, Mantic etc etc) always fascist? Their spray on the Corporation is quite horrid. ("future Nazis", aarrggh)
If this is the future, it's going to be really boring.
An interesting question to be sure and I think the answer lies in the fact that fascist-type societies make for interesting protagonists (or backdrops to the protagonist) in stories that people just can't resist making use of them. This is why there are so many dystopian societies in Future Period stories and Science Fiction. What seems to me to be another interesting question is why Mantic are doing their level best to copy GW short of actually crossing the threshold of copyright infringement.
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Word about the internet is Mantic chose to make them all plastic resin because plastic would have caused a lengthy delay. Renedra have been unable to keep pace with the production of all the plastic sets their various customers want to produce. Mantic being one of thse customers wasn't willing to wait.
If it's not plastic, I'm not likely to get any.
Despite all the flak they have taken, I'm totally smitten by the Forge Fathers and Marauders. A lot more potential than people give them credit for.
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An interesting question to be sure and I think the answer lies in the fact that fascist-type societies make for interesting protagonists (or backdrops to the protagonist) in stories that people just can't resist making use of them. This is why there are so many dystopian societies in Future Period stories and Science Fiction. What seems to me to be another interesting question is why Mantic are doing their level best to copy GW short of actually crossing the threshold of copyright infringement.
Because people have shown that they will spend on exorbitant amounts of money on things that are already familiar. This isn't limited to the tabletop gaming world. One only need look at the plethora of movie "re-makes" for examples of this.
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I don't read them as rivits at all. I have a pair of tactical knee pads that have studs that hold the strapping mechanism in place. They arn't rivits. Not in the boiler plate sense. Yeah no skulls or "gothic" crap. That's why I like them. With all the after market heads and weapons any cheap Sci-Fi troopers have a lot of potential.
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I like them and to be fair most sci-fi aesthetics is a derivative of something else including GW. I think they have a lot of potential.
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While I admire anyone who can sculpt minis well, since I can't at all, I am not moved to interest. The square edged pauldrons are too reminiscent of GW Cadian Stormtroopers and Pig Iron's System Troopers. And that's a Lasgun all day long.
What baffles me is how we are stuck between extremes of the GW Gothic look and the Manga look of Infinity/GOT/MERCs.
I'd love to see a happy medium between the two. Maybe something akin to the new Prometheus movie. Or some...wait for it...Traveller artwork......(you knew I had to say it).
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I tend to agree that the Corporation minis look more Imperial Guard-ish in the flesh than they did in the concepts. Which is not what I'd like to see really but did expect given Mantic's modus operandi.
However I'm less sure how G.O.T. or MERCS are manga influenced to the point of being at some kind of an extreme end of the spectrum. Even Infinity minis aren't there for the most part, with some notable and IMHO embrassing exceptions.
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While I admire anyone who can sculpt minis well, since I can't at all, I am not moved to interest. The square edged pauldrons are too reminiscent of GW Cadian Stormtroopers and Pig Iron's System Troopers. And that's a Lasgun all day long.
You do realise that the cadians and kasrkin storm troopers dont have squared shoulderpads at all right, and the only similarity in the rifle to a lasgun is the tip of the barrel.
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They're okey, but not keen on the weaponry, so will probably see if I can fiddle with them a bit, if not, just snip the barrel of.
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To me they look far too similar to GW's Elysian Drop Troops:
(http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/large/SpecWp4.jpg)
compared to Mantic's stuff:
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/SteveFlanaganUK/2011%20-%2012%20-%20Dec/19051368368FFFFFF0.jpg)
They could be a little more original and the gun would be without a doubt recognisable as a lasgun by any 40k player.
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They could be a little more original and the gun would be without a doubt recognisable as a lasgun by any 40k player.
Infinity folks could probably say the same.
SciFi stuff has a tendency to be kinda samey. ;)
Nevertheless, I like the gun.
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These are the only other Mantic Minis that hold any interest for me. The others being the Ghouls and the Zombies.
The Ghouls I use as Ragers in my ATZ games, the Zombies as Zombies, and these when they come out I can see being used as either the Corporate "Security" for Castle Pharmaceuticals, Inc. the evil Corporation that has their hands in everything from Pharmaceuticals (Medical Supplies and Medicine) to Computers (they manufacture various computer components), to clothing, to vehicles, etc...
I could also use the General in my campaign as a Jim Raynor (from StarCraft) or a Capt. Harlock (the famous anime Space Pirate) styled hero. He has the gruff, hardened look to him, and the sword would be handy for melee with the undead, and the body armor would give him a protected status so that any as long as he passes 1d6 for a recovery from knock down test he is just stunned (same for the Mantic Corp. Grunts). Hopefully the General will be available as a separate figure, if he is I might try to pick up a couple, one for use stock and then another one or two for some conversions (most likely head swaps and/or weapon swaps).
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The Imperial Guard units are themselves based on some fairly generic Sci-Fi concepts. GW just sticks a bunch of gothic crap on their Imperial figs. These don't have that. Yay! These are going to be dirt cheap generic sci-fi troopers. The more options out there the better.
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To me they look far too similar to GW's Elysian Drop Troops:...
Those don't look overly samey to my eye any more than they both do to loads of other near-future styled troops.
I've whined about how Mantic should break away from GW's apron strings... but it's hard to blame them for playing it safe as they establish a name for themselves. Too bad that, so far, they haven't made much of anything that interests me... except for their ghouls.
I had lots of good will for their Abyssal Dwarves but they came out looking kind of mushy... maybe it's the paint job.
Still, I'm rooting for Mantic to make some waves... just not voting with my wallet... yet.
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You do realise that the cadians and kasrkin storm troopers dont have squared shoulderpads at all right, and the only similarity in the rifle to a lasgun is the tip of the barrel.
Forgive my memory of the Kasrkin pauldrons. The knee pads and other bits were what I was thinking of. And I don't think the lasgun comparison isn't limited to the tip of the barrel. Apparently I'm not alone in this.
In summary, I don't see a differentiation in their overall look. That could be intentional marketing to scoop GW players. ;)
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I tend to agree that the Corporation minis look more Imperial Guard-ish in the flesh than they did in the concepts. Which is not what I'd like to see really but did expect given Mantic's modus operandi.
However I'm less sure how G.O.T. or MERCS are manga influenced to the point of being at some kind of an extreme end of the spectrum. Even Infinity minis aren't there for the most part, with some notable and IMHO embrassing exceptions.
Gotta disagree with you here. ORC troopers aren't manga/anime influenced? The first release of MERCs weren't either? C'mon man. Plain as day IMO. GOT maybe not so much, though I still get that impression. Love their Gauss rifles...need to get some of those.
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Got nothing against GW in itself (their business practices may leave something to be desired, but since I don't play GW, that doesn't matter to me), but I do find it very, very sad that their style has become so dominant in the gaming world that some apparently now perceive it as "generic sci-fi", and others perceive slight detail variations as making it "not particularly GW at all". Has the tabletop gaming world's image of sci-fi really become that shut-in and inbred? Seriously?
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Gotta disagree with you here. ORC troopers aren't manga/anime influenced? The first release of MERCs weren't either? C'mon man. Plain as day IMO
D'oh, of course Infinity is manga/anime influenced. It's in the books. But they aren't exreme anime/manga style for the most part. For more of that, you'll want Soda Pop.
For MERCS, I don't really see a whole lot of manga/anime influence in them unless you want to count everything that doesn't have rivets as manga/anime style. I prefer the term "futuristic" as opposed to "gothic".
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...'Cept they don't look futuristic. They look clunky and kinda retro/low-tech even by modern standards, or at best like a hypothetical "alternate universe" version of modern tech/designs. Though that's an extremely wide spread issue with "futuristic" pop-culture sci-fi stuff of many stripes (and sometimes polka dots), not just this example.*
They don't really look "gothic" either, but "gothic" has been spread so thin as a stylistic concept that's practically come full circle: things that aren't really gothic are just as "gothic" as things that are very gothic. Or in other words, so much of what is considered very gothic is so slightly glothic or not gothic that a thing that looks as not really gothic as this might as well be gothic... and vice versa. Much like My Little Pony, all it needs is dark-ish paint accents, and Bob's your Count uncle.
*Sorry thought you were talking about the Mantic stuff. The MERCS stuff is a little better, but still only very near future. Conceptually speaking, powered armor is still a ways off (though now in sight), but the manufacturing methods and gun designs on display still look very modern.
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Indeed Corporation is not "futuristic" and not properly "gothic" either but rather in the whereabouts of "gritty industrial". Which is pretty much what GW IG is too, give or take a few skulls and purity seals to tie them in the Imperial aesthetics. They are otherwise rather divorced from stuff like Witch Hunters and whathavewe.
Even for the futuristic mini lines like G.O.T. or Infinity, the guns tend to look like guns because people want guns to look like guns... At least they've gotten past the point of clunky body armour in those lines and moved to sleek clean-line aesthetic. Which may or may not be realistic (and I'd use that term with extreme caution when talking about anything related to miniature gaming) but does look futuristic.
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Infinity folks could probably say the same.
They don't look "Infinitish" to me at all, just GW-Ish ;)
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Current lasgun for the last decade or so looks like this. Maybe it's just me, but I really can't see the similarity here other than the tip of the barrel.
(http://www.modelbits.co.uk/images/imperial_guard_cadians_single_lasgun_large.jpg)
Forgive my memory of the Kasrkin pauldrons. The knee pads and other bits were what I was thinking of. And I don't think the lasgun comparison isn't limited to the tip of the barrel. Apparently I'm not alone in this.
In summary, I don't see a differentiation in their overall look. That could be intentional marketing to scoop GW players. ;)
I totally agree that they are trying to scoop GW players, no question about that haha.
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There are hints of all sorts of miniature ranges and film ideas in every sci-fi sculpt...because they all draw inspiration from everyone else. The barrel of the rifle looks like a lasgun but apart from that, I could point out lots of similarities to all sorts of IP.
I get a little bored hearing the 'that looks like GW' comment about every new sci-fi miniature that turns up...I guess there was no sci-fi before GW?
These are OK but not really my thing. I know Mantic target GW buyers but that is just business, I guess.
I see miniatures like this as conversion fodder. The more conversion fodder out there, the more choice you have to build exactly what you want. I can't knock that.
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You've kinda got it backwards there. The amount of variation between this and GW is so small that's it's like saying Woody Harrelson doesn't look the same species as Matthew McConaughey. I mean look at them, they're not even the same size, and the shape of the nose... pff. There's masses and masses of sci-fi outside tabletop gaming that looks about as much like GW as Woody Harrelson looks like a sea spider. In fact probably 99% of non-tabletop sci-fi (99.9% of sci-fi in other words) qualifies. I could image bomb the thread, if you like.
The reason that people keep saying "looks like GW" when someone shows off a new sci-fi line is because at least half the time it really does. At the risk of being impolitic, saying it doesn't would highlight ones own insularity, not that of the folks who're saying it does. Also sometimes a touch of butthurt fandom over the implication (or inference) that looking like GW is a bad thing.
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You've kinda got it backwards there. The amount of variation between this and GW is so small that's it's like saying Woody Harrelson doesn't look the same species as Matthew McConaughey. I mean look at them, they're not even the same size, and the shape of the nose... pff. There's masses and masses of sci-fi outside tabletop gaming that looks about as much like GW as Woody Harrelson looks like a sea spider. In fact probably 99% of non-tabletop sci-fi (99.9% of sci-fi in other words) qualifies. I could image bomb the thread, if you like.
The reason that people keep saying "looks like GW" when someone shows off a new sci-fi line is because at least half the time it really does. At the risk of being impolitic, saying it doesn't would highlight ones own insularity, not that of the folks who're saying it does. Also sometimes a touch of butthurt fandom over the implication (or inference) that looking like GW is a bad thing.
Alternatively, it is the insular nature of GW patrons that help them to refuse that anything could ever venture far from the GW model?
It is all opinions and we all have our own. 'At the risk of being impolitic' I am not a GW fanboy (or otherwise...I have boxes full of their stuff) and I would say that the varied nature of my various collections would certainly rule me out of the insular category but when I look at something like the Mantic sci-fi, I can see further than 'it's wearing a boiler suit and armour...it must look like GW'.
What ever people's opinion on the GW-ness of the sculpt, it is all good for the market because they will be cheap, made of plastic and excellent for converting so it is win-win as far as I can see.
Image bomb as much as you like, I'm sure you'l tick all of the boxes you feel compelled to.
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As I've previously said, I like them. I don't think it matters if they're Space Opera rather than Hard SF (because basically then we'd be limited to figures in all-enclosing space suits, armoured or otherwise, fighting resource wars on various moons throughout the solar system).
What matters is what Inso said: they're cheap, plastic, and a new source of figures for collectors, gamers, painters and converters alike.
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The reason that people keep saying "looks like GW" when someone shows off a new sci-fi line is because at least half the time it really does. At the risk of being impolitic, saying it doesn't would highlight ones own insularity, not that of the folks who're saying it does.
That's exactly my point,. Copplestone, GZG and Reaper have done nice jobs in producing SciFi minis that don't look like WW II in Space (or GW-ish as we like to call it) or like they come from an Anime. Even some Minis from the Pig Iron range look different from GW. I cannot pinpoint it to a specific detail, but these minis simply give me the "same war, different time" feeling that is so typical with GW minis.
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To me they all look about the same, which is fairly normal.
Now if we had folks with two heads or three arms or flippers, yep the weapons and the armor would be drastically different. But since we don't all "future" soldiers will look pretty much alike, at least to me.
Pretty much like most historical periods have protagonists who basically worn the same kit and used the same weapons.
Perhaps what we really have here is another thread for some folks to bash GW on. But personally I think that really does a disservice to entrepreneurs who want to create new minis for us to enjoy.
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GW-ish or not. The weapons are the weakest part of this mins.
My first thought was to replace them with Hasslefree or Heresy sci-fi guns.
Anybody knows any other good bits producers?
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That's exactly my point,. Copplestone, GZG and Reaper have done nice jobs in producing SciFi minis that don't look like WW II in Space (or GW-ish as we like to call it) or like they come from an Anime. Even some Minis from the Pig Iron range look different from GW. I cannot pinpoint it to a specific detail, but these minis simply give me the "same war, different time" feeling that is so typical with GW minis.
I concur. Well said Glitzer.
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My first thought was to replace them with Hasslefree or Heresy sci-fi guns.
Anybody knows any other good bits producers?
maxmini (http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=12) does some very good weapon sets contemporary as well as SF .
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Reaper has done a few weapon sets, Dream Pod 9 HG stuff is fairly well compatible with 28mm minis as well (but a little pricey maybe) and EM4 has some cheap weapon sets as well that probably would fit with the Corporation aesthetic. That's all I can remember off the top of my head that hasn't been already mentioned.
I cannot pinpoint it to a specific detail, but these minis simply give me the "same war, different time" feeling that is so typical with GW minis.
+1
To return to the subject of Infinity and anime, here's an example of some "extremely animeish" I-figures (talking 'bout the ones on the ends of the line):
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jMciWvCLsuo/TvtTOZu2IyI/AAAAAAAACWY/nAQpS9z-B5Y/s1600/Untitled-1.jpg
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Which Infinity minis are those? I kind of like the main leader figure. She looks like she good proxy for a pulp queen of a remote villainous planet.
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in reguards to the max mini weapons, there heavy machine guns are HUGE to the point they dwarf GW space marines. Dont know aobut scale with the rest of there weapons line.
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...that looking like GW is a bad thing.
Personally, I like a lot of their art. They do an excellent job, especially with creating archetypical images.
If I were designing my own mini line I would want to make it unique and would strive to make them not look like GW's. This is not because GW's minis are bad but because they are the biggest, most obvious comparison, and I want to make something different.
Just my two cents.
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Which Infinity minis are those? I kind of like the main leader figure. She looks like she good proxy for a pulp queen of a remote villainous planet.
Looks like the new Proxies box.
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maxmini (http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=12) does some very good weapon sets contemporary as well as SF .
Thanks, they have some interesting stuff
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Might do for Starship Trooper type settings.
Will be interesting to see the SF boardgame they're planning - Dwarf King's Hold in space - got DKH at Christmas and it plays quite well, so I'd guess DKHis might be like the original Space Hulk or Space Crusade.
Wonder if they need any playtest volunteers....
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Which Infinity minis are those? I kind of like the main leader figure. She looks like she good proxy for a pulp queen of a remote villainous planet
Posthumans:
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/posthumans/
The leader is indeed more pulp than anime.
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New Corporation trooper pix taken from the Mantic's "Corporation Dossier" PDF:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/warpath-corporation-troopers-full-color/
The material of the first releases is pretty much confirmed to be PVC, or the same stuff that Privateer Press uses if you prefer.
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Every time I see these I think, 'Forgeworld Elysian Drop Troopers'. Is it the same sculptor? Nevertheless I do like them (both).
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Easily the best figs mantic has put out, I'll have to pick some up to paint. Hopefully Space Elves are next and they look as good as these. The fantasy ones they do just aren't that great, but they were the first ones they ever did, so it's understandable.
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Every time I see these I think, 'Forgeworld Elysian Drop Troopers'. Is it the same sculptor? Nevertheless I do like them (both).
Yeah, that's exactly what I think too. I think it's the helmet shape, light armour and pseudo-lasguns.
Duncan
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To me, the Rangers are the most interesting of the batch shown:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Warpath-Corporation-Troopers-1.jpg
The legs seem a bit undersized in the pix but may it's just an angle issue.
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To me, the Rangers are the most interesting of the batch shown:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Warpath-Corporation-Troopers-1.jpg
The legs seem a bit undersized in the pix but may it's just an angle issue.
Now they look better, take the pseudo-lasgun barrel off and they actually look non-GW.
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Yup look ok to me
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Look a bit gangly to me. I saw some painted shots and they didn't really appeal. Although I think Mantic takes way too much abuse over the supposed 'GW theme' they aren't as much in the way of copycats as some obvious other companies who people never seem to complain about at all.
However as it still stands I am not finding their sci fi stuff all that impressive. I still love their fantasy stuff, but sci fi?? Just the character of it doesn't appeal, it is unavoidably based on that 'in the dark future their can only be war' bollocks. Maybe I will change my mind later on down the line, but meh.
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Well, 'In the bright future there can only be peace' might not make so hot a setting fro WARgaming? >:D
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For me, variety is the spice of life. When I play 40K I prefer plastic figures, so another viable Guard option is great to me, and the quality on these figures looks solid.
I remember several IG Codex editions ago they had an awesome 2-page spread with IG in their various uniforms--dozens of different styles! I wish GW would do all of them!
The Corporation figures from Mantic have a dash of Elysian Drop Troops in them, too, which I like.
Looking forward to more pics!
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Well, 'In the bright future there can only be peace' might not make so hot a setting fro WARgaming? >:D
I don't know about that. Sounds like the perfect description of Star Trek. I could do with a Star Trek miniatures game. :)
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Well, yes, there is no pressing reason to have a "dark" future for a wargame. "Grimadark" settings like that of Wh40k seem to arise from the World Wars mentality, but there is no need for "the whole world on fire" for there to be conflict. The already often mentioned Infinity is an example of a game where setting itself is hardly all dismal and bleak and where wars are violent extentions of politics, not genocidal struggles.
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Well, yes, there is no pressing reason to have a "dark" future for a wargame. "Grimadark" settings like that of Wh40k seem to arise from the World Wars mentality, but there is no need for "the whole world on fire" for there to be conflict. The already often mentioned Infinity is an example of a game where setting itself is hardly all dismal and bleak and where wars are violent extentions of politics, not genocidal struggles.
Good point, well made.
Regarding the many imperial guard regiments: many of them could be easily made by adding lasguns and a few odds and ends to existing historical minis. Which is unfortunately frawned upon in many of the GW playing groups I have been in (and especially their tournaments and 40k tournaments generally), which in turn seems to limit creativity limiting the 'guard' look to a handful of uniforms.
While I don't not like the style of the Corporation minis (they look to be their best offering to date), when you look at the vast range of possibilities for sci-fi infantry I wish they'd been a little more creative and created something that didn't get many of the people seeing them thinking they look a little like Imperial Guard drop troops and been a little unique.
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I personally still like them and I'm looking forward to purchasing some and convert them as radically as possible :D
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Corporation big force boxes are now out for preorder:
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Warpath/Corporation.html
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Brückenkopf Online has posted a Review of the Rangers:theyre shockingly bad in my Opinion :'( :?
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=55945 (http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=55945)
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The leg/torso ratio seems really, really weird on some of the pictured figures, that's for sure.
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Brückenkopf Online has posted a Review of the Rangers:theyre shockingly bad in my Opinion :'( :?
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=55945 (http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=55945)
Wow...those comparison shots don't do Mantic any favors. I hope the vehicles they come out with for the Corporation are useable though.
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Wow...those comparison shots don't do Mantic any favors. I hope the vehicles they come out with for the Corporation are useable though.
For only 3 more pounds you get the same amount of the far superior Pig Iron ones, that's cheap for the difference in quality.
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Those are the marines right? in pictures with both the normal troops and the marines they even look all slinky like.
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Those are the marines right? in pictures with both the normal troops and the marines they even look all slinky like.
They're more Stormtroopers than Marines. I think the Rangers have the same bodies/legs as the normal troops but have new heads/arms/gun/shoulderpads.
Those comparison pics killed any chance of me buying them. I didn't like the normal guys are I really disliked the shoulder pads and some of the other armour details. The rangers looked better but looking at those shots the proportions are awful. Their elbows are below their waist!
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upper arms are too long on those rangers... I prefered the marines to them anyway...
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Christ, those are some horrible, horrible minis.
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c'mon, not THAT orrible. you just need to see them painted. white plastic is the worse material to show details!
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I think a sci fi trooper who was based on modern troops covered in pouches and webbing and other cool stuff with meaningful hi tech add ons like filter/gas masks, sealed suits etc would be solid seller and a sci fi trooper that no one could say was a GW rip off.
Cannot think of any minis that fit that bill already.
im very pleased with the Aberrant Games Rezolution CSO Troopers.theyre not cheap and they arent plastic but worth a Look in my Opinion :-XVery near Future meets Cadians me thinks...
Comparsion with Empress modern Delta Force
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/modren001.jpg)
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/modren002.jpg)
for Heavy infantry id go with VOR Power Armour Troopers: Union on the Left,Neo Soviet on the right Side
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/modren003.jpg)
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Of the various assembled Mantic figures pictured, only one - the one that is painted in some photos, unpainted in others - looks out of proportion to me. The others look OK - certainly better than the GW Cadians pictured.
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Long arms, short legs. Nothing really new as these scifi minis go but I'll give them a pass all the same. Not better than this:
(http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/troopers2.gif)
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A fellow member of Warseer is painting them up:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?210465-Arnan-317th-quot-Death-s-Own-quot-iPaint-s-IG-Log&p=6188417&viewfull=1#post6188417
Some pics, taken from the thread:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/swimnserve88/Corporation/0e9a9724.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/swimnserve88/Corporation/53988439.jpg)
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Not bad. Still thinking that the proportions are quite odd (and that's a shame, since the cost for the casting and moulding is the same of a better sculpted mini), i'm not very convinced now.
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very nasty Mold Lines and i dont like the Gun :'( They would make nice HAZE like Troopers though :P
(http://www.consolemonster.com/media/0000000273/screenshots/0000000273-L-1207f20.jpg)
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Scurv - maybe you should write to them direct and point out the gun defects?
You never know, they might take note. Worth a try?
I think Bob Naismith does a lot of their sculpting, he's usually amenable to useful suggestions.
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I think when I am able to get some I'm going to cut the barrel out and stick the flash suppressor to the end of the stock. I'm not really put off by the gun but I think that would look a bit nicer.
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I don't think the troopers are Bob Naismith's work http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/
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Well, that would certainly explain the certain strange anatomical features Bob's work has rarely (if ever) suffered from...
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Ok, it's just a teaser, but they promised new figures for the Corporation line in September
(http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/images/BOLS_Corporation_Commando.jpeg)
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It doesn't look bad from this angle :P
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yah, saw this looks promising.
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We shall see, doesn't look bad but I'm still suspicious of that elbow. The ape length arms were awful on the last ones.
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Agreed. Stopped me from buying any, in fact.
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Another preview:
(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Enforcers-Captain-394x363.jpg)
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Okay, that's nice!!!!!
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Cool 8)
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Very pretty. Didn't this guy fight Iron Man in the first movie?
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More pics and an announcement:
(http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/images/Strike_Enforcer_Special_Weapon.jpg)
Released in September, these great sci-fi figures are now available to pre-order and as is tradition at Mantic, we launch our pre-orders with amazing value for money army deals that allow you to pick up loads of cool new miniatures for use in your sci-fi game of choice, each themed around a different style of attack.
Protocol: Strike army deal is built around a balance force of Strike, Assault and Suppression teams whilst the Protocol: Assault Army Deal and Protocol: Suppress Army Deal are the deals for you if you want an army equipped for Close Combat or simply want more devastating firepower - of course there's nothing stopping you picking up both and having a truly massive force, with free July shipping and free sci-fi gaming rules of course!
http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69&id=1744e38ea2&e=215e186c4a
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I don't know if it's the gun or the stance or something I can't put my finger on, but I don't like that figure as much as the shot from the back.
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I don't know if it's the gun or the stance or something I can't put my finger on, but I don't like that figure as much as the shot from the back.
I think the figure shot from the back isn't any of those I posted after. It's yet another model.
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Another preview:
(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Enforcers-Captain-394x363.jpg)
WANT!!!!! :D
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The legs look very short on that latest one (ignoring Commander Vyper's repeat): not much more than a third of his height. Are these robots or people in armour?
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The legs look very short on that latest one (ignoring Commander Vyper's repeat): not much more than a third of his height. Are these robots or people in armour?
I think they are people in armour.
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I don't know if it's the gun or the stance or something I can't put my finger on, but I don't like that figure as much as the shot from the back.
It's the gun stance and the knock knee'd ness of that one that puts me off.
Liking the big guy though, (re: WANT!) His weapon looks very similar to the one reaper sculpted for their not GOW marines though???
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Could be a stand-in weapon for scale or posing. I agree the heavy guy looks pretty cool...the basic troopers (while better than the abysmal original ones) still look...meh. They are way too busy (something I hate about a lot of Sci-Fi designs). It reminds me of Michhael Bay's atrocious transformers..."hey let's just add...1,000 more parts to make it look more confusing and disjointed!".
I will say this though - I don't really care, because I won't be in the market for these guys anyway.
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The legs look very short on that latest one (ignoring Commander Vyper's repeat): not much more than a third of his height
Yep, it does look like from the "heavy weapon trooper" that they are forging on with the short leg types. I suppose it's part of the aesthetic then :?
The big guy looks a bit more promising.
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Could be, the fig shown rear view shown earlier doesn't seem to be quite so stumpy-legged. This one is certainly shown from an unflattering angle, regarding the legs:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/check-golem-studios-painted-enforcer/
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That's very disheartening to see. My wallet and i were just getting back on speaking terms, and now I'm going to be forced to buy hundreds of these guys.
These guys are seriously awesome, I can't wait for them to release. All the design aspects I love about Infinity in multi-part plastic? Yes please. It's like an entire force of the good, non-knight PanOceana, but you can pose and convert them and they're cast in a much preferred medium.
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I pre-ordered a batch. Look like bulked out Infinity figs to me. At a better price.
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More painted Enforcers:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warpath/warpath-enforces-golem-painting-treatment/
The leg/torso ratio is apparently a bit of a hit and miss with these. Most seem to be decent enough considering the pic from the linky.
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(http://www.manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Assault-Enforcers.jpg)
These... Remind me of Mass Effect's Cerberus troops, not of anything that CB have done for Infinity. I suspect that the colour scheme is reinforcing that more than these specific models, though some of the other Enforcer designs are closer than others.
Not that's a bad thing mind (I'm a huge fan of both ME and Infinity), but I do find that Mantic's stuff is always just a bit too copy-cat (I am also aware they they are not alone in this; I'm just pointing it out), and yet they never seem able to improve on whatever it is they are copying... Which is a pity really.
I do like that they are always trying to improve and do better in terms of sculpting and production though; they really have come on in leaps and bounds, and you can see this with each army they release! Hopefully they'll eventually develop their own style in time and then really hit their stride.
In the meantime - as nice as the painting is on these Enforcers - I think I'll give these a miss.
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Yet more painted Enforcers:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warpath/enforcers-drop-advance-order-mantic-games/
Their legs still look a little funky in the pix, even tho these are taken more from the side and so should give a decent idea about the proportions. But they do look much better than previous Corporation troops. I think I may have to cave in to a box of these.
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I think they are fantastic! Mass Effect meets Crysis...my wet dream come true ;)
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They are very nice, but they sort of remind me of the Infinity Knightly Orders.
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Sooo... Anyone actually got any yet? I mean the Enforcers, of course. Some comments on their quality would be nice. Some pix would be very nice. Some comparison pix would be super nice.
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Sooo... Anyone actually got any yet? I mean the Enforcers, of course. Some comments on their quality would be nice. Some pix would be very nice. Some comparison pix would be super nice.
I've got mine and they're very nicely detailed and cast and fit of weapons/hand to arm is very positive and quite unique but....almost every leg casting I received has damage to the waist area (belt has lengths missing or is deformed). I have contacted Mantic (less a complaint more a 'heads-up) but although I've received numerous emails with news of their latest KS I haven't had a response regarding the faulty items. Very busy or poor customer service? I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt and I can easily replace the belts or hide the damage with extra ammo packs etc. Personally I really like the minis and when I get a little free time I'll take some pics.
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How do you find the proportions "in-hand" dwartist?
Is their odd-looking limb proportion just a foreshortening effect of the camera pix, or are they actually like that?
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Yes, given what the earlier Corporation troopers looked like it would be nice to hear about the proportions. They do seem better than before but since all pix I recall seeing of the Enforcers are taken from a slightly upward angle it's a little difficult to say for sure.
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How do you find the proportions "in-hand" dwartist?
Is their odd-looking limb proportion just a foreshortening effect of the camera pix, or are they actually like that?
Proportions seem ok - I think it's the style of the joint that makes them look odd.
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My Enforcers finally arrived here in the US. My castings are OK, the detail is good. I'll post pix asap.