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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on 24 January 2012, 08:58:38 PM
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So I'm pleased to announce my new project. Though actually we’re here talking about reactivation and not a new beginning. You know (or maybe not) I’ve had a very strong Ancient time in my wargaming career, collecting large armies, playing big games and dreaming of even more armies and of course more games. It was a good time but to be honest I never did manage to paint a complete Ancient army, it was just too much. I can be really enduring and tenacious at painting, though it is nothing what makes happy Mrs. Witchheimer, but I need variety of themes to keep my painting motivation. Painting an army of 300 almost identical models is a torture to me and so it is probably (or surely) the reason why I’ve given up the Ancients for Pulp and other sort of adventure wargaming.
here the proof, I really have some Ancient miniatures:
Greeks, no gaming plans on those at the moment, is just to show off :)
(http://www.witchhunter.net/images/zukunft/zukunft_griechen.jpg)
But nothing is final and it looks like I’m back at Ancient topic. At least for the time being. Thanks god and my former madness, I’ve still have hunderts of various Ancient miniatures like Celts, Germans, Greeks, Thracians, Assyrians, Dacians and several small fractions like Skythians , Nemedians and whatever. Unfortunately I was stupid enough to sell all my Romans, Republican and Middle ones. Really all of them. All gone. No one bloody Roman in my collection. Damn.
Anyway, I’m starting my first adventuring Ancient project. The idea is to use the T&T rules, I hope my friend Driscoles will support me with some ideas for additions to his rules, just to make sure they will work for Ancient time. And I’ve decided to start with Ancient Germans. The good old Copplestone Foundry miniatures are just too good and it would be a pity to let them in the shelves. Okay, still no Romans but that’s for later.
The idea is to create some gangs, kind of adventuring parties, no rank&file but different figures with different weapons and let them running on a table for quests, fighting the enemies (need Romans), wild animals, and perhaps other Germans. I will need a village for Germans, a forest for Animals and a camp for Romans.
The timeline - at the beginning of the 1st century AD, before the battle of the Teutoburg Forest, I'd say 7 AD.
My table will be (yes, that’s Grimm in the background, making photos):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/0/3_25_05_08_8_41_31_5.JPG)
my first gang of Germans will be:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_01.jpg)
These are Foundry Chatti models but in my case they’re supposed to be Cherusci, a tribe coming from the northwestern part of Germany, somewhere around of contemporary Bielefeld, just the corner where our moderators Lt.Hazel and Poliorketes come from. A wild part of country. No personal hygiene, no usage of hair care products. A dirty bunch of barbarians. No home, nothing sacred. Btw, they’re not from village, they’re just passing through. The big haary guy in the middle is the chieftain, I will call him Hazelius...
The painted models are the old painting jobs made back in those glorius days. The painting is not good at all, so they will be repainted. I think, the whole bunch is a nice mix of different archetypes and weapons. I've just remembered, I will need at least a bowman as well.
That’s all for today, now I’m back to painting desk. Tomorrow I will tell you more about the dwellers of the village, by pure chance they come from the region where now the Prof is living...
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Something awesome happened on the way to the forum! I can assure you that this will find the favour of the Senatus PopulusQue LAFanum.
Furthermore:
a) now I'm a bit sad that I sold off my EIR army.
b) I'll have to keep strong to resist another ancient project after Hazel and I go off on and return from that Etruscans vs. Hill Tribes tangent.
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Something awesome happened on the way to the forum!
Chris, you are hilarious! :)
I'm looking forward to you and Bjorn putting out 'Triumph, Tragedy and Togas' ;)
Alex, that is a wonderful looking project. I am envious.
Those Copplestone Ancient German Tribes from Foundry are the absolute top range, and there are a huge variety of them, but have you seen Steve Saleh's new range for Warlord Games. They do look very good.
http://www.sdean-forum.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=29561&p=343521#p343521
I do wonder what you are going to do about Romans though. It's a shame the Copplestone-sculpted Romans recently marketed by Companion Miniatures seem to have disappeared again, because they would have been a very good fit. Not many great looking Romans out there for this period... Perhaps Lead Adventure Miniatures will have to make some? ::) :)
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Great sounding idea Prof. I like the idea of the "party" approach to playing ancients. Makes it seem more manageable... and tempting! Good luck! It should be fun to watch.
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Thanks, Richard!
great idea for the name for the Ancient T&T rules, the abbreviation could be T&T&T, now how cool is that..:)
I've already seen the pics of the Warlord's Germans, they look very nice indeed, Steve did some top notch work, though I wouldn't mix them with Copplestone as the both designs look a bit too different. The Warlord Germans are looking to me more like Marcomanni, I guess Steve did use this Osprey drawing as reference as well:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/Marcomanni.jpg)
(http://www.warlordgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Hail-Caesar-Germanics-2-600x575.png)
They would be a great choice for gaming of Marcomannic Wars. Though actually Marcomanni are also Suebis and their top-knot is just another version of the side-one, did by Copplestone, like this:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/suebi01.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/foundry-suebi.jpg)
Not sure it that is a special tribe related thing wearing their knotes either as top or as side version.
Regarding Romans. No idea yet, first some research on the curent market, some Osprey and all that.
LAM making Romans? Don't tell that to my partner :D
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Man, this is going to be good!
I can't wait to see more!
I feel like an excited little kid. ;D
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Exciting news, indeed. Really looking forward to your interpretation of the period - and eventually your adaption of the T&T rules. Just as Hazel and myself have settled on these to be used for our participation game at Tactica next month. (No significant mods so far though.)
Good luck with this anyway. :)
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Regarding Romans. No idea yet, first some research on the curent market, some Osprey and all that.
Well, you always have your Asterix Romans to fall back on... ;)
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another fine looking project! looks promissing :)
regarding romans, I think these guys are very good:
http://www.aventineminiatures.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=53_74
and very copplestone like
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Really looking forward to seeing how the project progresses :)
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Oh yes ... this could turn out very well indeed, and I like the idea of single-basing them for 'teams'.
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Interesting project Prof. :)
Love those copplestone minis :-*
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They're Chatti? They look rather laconic to me. Could it be that their wives are the chatti ones? I'm not sure what would be the major topic of conversation, stuck in the Teutoburger Wald circa 7 AD .
Sigismund: I hear there's an Aldi due to open here in another two thousand years.
Arminius: Really?.... (long pause) Ok, let's go kill some Italians.
Nice looking project Prof.
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another fine looking project! looks promissing :)
regarding romans, I think these guys are very good:
http://www.aventineminiatures.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=53_74
and very copplestone like
Sadly, me thinks these are a bit late to the party. I'd go for the Foundry Caesarian Romans with a few EIR auxiliaries and centurions in chainmail/scale armour thrown in. However, no segmented armour for me, not convinced by the Kalkriese findings.
On second thought, the warband approach seems very appropriate for Germanic warriors, of course. That said, there might be more work to do for their Roman opponents. Judging from the Teutoburg desaster they were still lacking decent light infantry troops or tactics to counter these. Thus Roman formations should be rather large and tight in order to become effective. Just a suggestion.
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The aventine romans are for the a time period from 140 AD - 190 AD.
They wear the lorica typ newstead and the niedermörmter helmet.
Aventine will release end this week helmets variants which allowed to use them from 100 AD.
The romans in the Varus campaign have a mix of the late republican equipment and the early imperial style.
Since some years we know, that, thanks Kalkriese, the first variants of lorica segmentat has been in use.
So legionaries have worn in this time mail, scale, and lorica segmentata and for tribun and legat muscle cuirass.
Helmets would be the very different.
Montefortino
Hagenau/ coolus C
and the first imperial gallic A and may be B
A good book with many illustrations is the new:
http://www.amazon.de/Das-Heer-Varus-Hilfstruppen-Trachtzubeh%C3%B6r/dp/3938447524
and in two months the second book of this subject.
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So are you going to be looking for Caesarian Legionnaires?
I've done a boat load of roman armies and I have a huge pile of Foundry Punic Wars minis (Republican Romans, Greeks, Spaniards, cavalry, peltasts...)
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For a moment there I wondered if 7AD was a new variant of 7TV.
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Well, you always have your Asterix Romans to fall back on... ;)
no, unfortunately they were a comission work :)
another fine looking project! looks promissing :)
regarding romans, I think these guys are very good:
http://www.aventineminiatures.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=53_74
and very copplestone like
they are truly fantastic figures but how Mad Doc and VonMoltke already said, they are for later periods, first of all wrong helmets.
No idea if the Lorica Segmentata has been worn at Teutoburg, there are lots of opinions and evidences for and against.
But I'm not really mad about using fighures with Lorica so it's not that important, I'll get some figures with chain mail just like that guy from museum in Bonn:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/roman_legionary_varus_chain_mail_bonn.jpg)
A good book with many illustrations is the new:
http://www.amazon.de/Das-Heer-Varus-Hilfstruppen-Trachtzubeh%C3%B6r/dp/3938447524
looks like a good book, thanks for the hint.
So are you going to be looking for Caesarian Legionnaires?
Maybe, but I don't need legions of them, about 15-20 different figs for some skirmishing. Could you send me some pics?
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That some legionaries wore the now named "kalkriese lorica" is fact,
They have find lorica segmentata fittings on the battlefield.
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/kalklor.html
http://varusforschung.geschichte-multimedial.net/pages/militaria.html
Last year there had been other finds of lorica segmentata dated from historicans before BC.
So lorica has be in use ;)
Also osprey is not everytime correct, also they have pictures in their book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/1846035813/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=266239&s=books
Inside the book there is a nice picture, where legionaries in lorica segmentata, others in mail, try one german wall to storm.
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Could you send me some pics?
I'll have to dig around, but sure.
However, they are Republican Romans, so they are not wearing the Weisenau type helmet you show in your photo, but the earlier Montefortino. The majority of the infantry have little armor, though the triarii do have chain mail.
You interested in any cavalry or skirmishers?
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That some legionaries wore the now named "kalkriese lorica" is fact,
They have find lorica segmentata fittings on the battlefield.
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/kalklor.html
http://varusforschung.geschichte-multimedial.net/pages/militaria.html
Last year there had been other finds of lorica segmentata dated from historicans before BC.
So lorica has be in use ;)
Yes, I have seen that LARP link already and yes, lorica segmentata has been in use. But we only know that archeologists have found some fragments of this and actually that could also have been a part of officier's lorica. I think that we would have found much more fragments and probably some whole ones, if thousands of legionaries would have worn segmentata. Therefore I'm not that convinced. But anyway, I'm not that much into this subject, so it's only my humble opinion, it really doesn't have to mean anything and it's also not so much important for the purposes of my project.
I'll have to dig around, but sure.
However, they are Republican Romans, so they are not wearing the Weisenau type helmet you show in your photo, but the earlier Montefortino. The majority of the infantry have little armor, though the triarii do have chain mail.
You interested in any cavalry or skirmishers?
I probaly would be interested in some Montefortino ones, both variants, with chain mail and without as well. Also some skirmishers and cavalry would be great. How said, I need a mix of everything, to build adventuring parties, no use for identically looking regiments. Hope it's fine to you if I'm going to take picks of the bunch :)
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Okay, I have to go into my storage so I'll do so and perhaps later tonight or tomorrow morning I'll post a shot of the stuff I have.
Posting pics? Only if they are painted! ;)
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thanks, Ray :)
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A wild part of country. No personal hygiene, no usage of hair care products. A dirty bunch of barbarians. No home, nothing sacred. Btw, they’re not from village, they’re just passing through. The big haary guy in the middle is the chieftain, I will call him Hazelius...
You are great Alex!!! Sadly we didn´t manage to raise the personal hygiene thing significantly until today ;) I think Hazelius looks a bit like me, only the beard is longer. Ok and he has no glasses.
That project looks very promising, and as Tilman said we´ll use slightly modified T+T rules for the Troja - Game. May there be a chance for a T+T+T colaboration?
Cheers
Jan (a.k.a Hazelius)
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Looking forward to this project Prof. Can't wait to see what you come up with.
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Great stuff! Roughly what I've been trying to do for years!
According to my notes mine were supposed to be Chauci, as I read a reference somewhere that they were possibly pirates. With that in mind it could become a germanic odyssee with the warband ending up in north-america against skraelings and north africa fighting ancient Berber tribes! and if not at least frisians or caninefatii or some other lowlander swamp dwelling survivalist tribe. :)
I got all carried away adding Copplestone barbarians and cavemen and even a dwarf, but also naked viking berserkers, werewolfs and what not.
And there they are, undercoated and gathering dust! lol
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Great project ! A "must-follow"...
Germans vs Romans is a classic...not quite recently since mexiko ´70
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According to my notes mine were supposed to be Chauci, as I read a reference somewhere that they were possibly pirates. With that in mind it could become a germanic odyssee with the warband ending up in north-america against skraelings and north america fighting ancient Berber tribes! and if not at least frisians or caninefatii or some other lowlander swamp dwelling survivalist tribe. :)
I got all carried away adding Copplestone barbarians and cavemen and even a dwarf, but also naked viking berserkers, werewolfs and what not.
And there they are, undercoated and gathering dust! lol
sound like a fun project, would like to see it going ;-)
Now back to my desk. The next gang, also Germans, this time Neckar Suebi. Looks like the Neckar Suebi have at least partly been the ancestors of contemporary Schwaben from Baden-Württemberg. How said, just the corner of Germany where Prof is dwelling. Btw, Neckar is a river where Mr.Witchheimer Senior (Prof's father) is fishing.
for this gang I've chosen all the side hair knot models just to separate them from the top-hair-knot ones. These guys will be the villagers or better the defenders of the village. That leads me to think that I will need a couple of civilians for the village. I think I've got somewhere some of these crying Ancient German girls. Also some civilians from BTD. Well, not a huge bunch at all but we don't want to start another huge project that won't be finished because I put too much stuff to the pipeline.
The nacked guy is not a berserker or something like that, he just was caught while taking bath. How said, we Suebis aren't that dirty swines like other tribes.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_03_suebi.jpg)
and here some painting on one of the dirty Cherusci. Doesn't look dirty at all, I know. Sometimes it's a pity to make dirty fresh painted miniatures. Later perhaps. This shield design I've seen in the Osprey's Germanic Warrior 236-568 AD . Maybe it doent fits in the 7 AD, no idea, but it matches the colour of the trousers :)
Today also told to Driscoles and it looks like we will be able to make a T&T game for that Ancient setting. Though I won't be making larger units. But individuals and small groups of warriors (2-3). We will see.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_02.jpg)
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Fantastic Prof paint jobs AND a possible T&T supplement? I don't need a sheep liver to predict much greatness in this thread!
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I'll get some figures with chain mail just like that guy from museum in Bonn:
Have you tried Gripping Beast? They seem to have a good selection:
http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=143
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Yes, good selection, indeed. Though I like these Foundry ones a bit better:
(http://wargamesfoundry.com/_images/thumbs/CR55_380x250.png?prodid=1955)
We will see, I don't want to rush things. First have to paint the Germans.
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Interesting project, Alex, will follow this (as usual). Does it mean that your Witchtown-project came to a (temporary) halt? Just asking as I don't need to wait for those brilliant old miniatures any longer ...
;)
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This is going to be good! We have not seen much Ancients around here.
Eventhough I think I will be able to resist, I have developed a taste for Ancients lately due to a book about biblical archeology. Got a lot on Hettite, Egyptian, Sea People etc action to get ones mind going.
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Does it mean that your Witchtown-project came to a (temporary) halt? Just asking as I don't need to wait for those brilliant old miniatures any longer ...
;)
Not quite, will post some stuff there soon :)
This is going to be good! We have not seen much Ancients around here.
Eventhough I think I will be able to resist, I have developed a taste for Ancients lately due to a book about biblical archeology. Got a lot on Hettite, Egyptian, Sea People etc action to get ones mind going.
Let me know if you want to get rid off some Sea People and Hittites :)
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The first four almost done. Still need some little details and to varnish. I've put this bowman to the Cherusci gang, a Foundry model as well, though a Dacian(?), me thinks. Definitely sculpted by Perry. But I think he doesn't look wrong in the crowd.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_04.jpg)
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Very nice paintwork :)
It's going to be a lovely looking collection.
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Love the stripes :-* :-* :-*
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Very nice. :-*
Rich colors and very fine detail work.
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Lovely brushwork Prof.
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Not quite, will post some stuff there soon :)
Let me know if you want to get rid off some Sea People and Hittites :)
Nono, I was unclear. I *don't* have any. The book talks about them, which got me inspired.
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They look excellent. Some scenery around and we`ll print them in the upcomming rulebook ;)
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Nice stuff Prof. Tomorrow I pick up my Picts( lol) unpainted of course,about $350 worth,now though a slightly later period it seems an similar project; I shall watch yours with interest.
Cheers
Guy
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Fantastic miniatures and a very interesting project! I will follow this thread with marked attention.
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Triumphus et Tragoedia, eh?
Very interesting.
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Wonderful painting.
I look forward to following your progress.
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Excellent figures will be following this topic closely! 😄
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I love this topic. Can't wait to see more!
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Same here, great project which im following closely.
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Me To, excellent paintwork Alex 8)
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I remember my older brother having a book on Roman armour.
In a reference in that book, it said that legionaries normally used the one set of armour throughout their service. This was because the legionaries had to pay for it out of their wage. Newer armour designs were slow to be introduced because of this.
I would imagine this meant that only new recruits were issued the Lorica Segmentatia armour, while the older veterans continued wearing the chainmail armour from the late republic period.
The Gallic helmet was rapidly introduced as it offer better protection than the old jocky cap style.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6788710739_cc53031f1f.jpg)
I would say, chainmail and Gallic helmets, as above.
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thank you, interesting info and sounds logical.
I have also already decided to avoid the Segmentata for this project.
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Tony Barton of AB Miniatures fame was commissioned to do a range of Augustan era figures for a museum in Germany some years ago, they're still available from Eureka. I'm not suggesting the figures themselves, as these are 15/18mm but Tony is known as a real stickler for detail and I suspect he was operating on fairly specific instructions from the museum anyway. I had a few of these and they were all in lorica hamata with a mix of gallic and Montefiore type helmets. Worth looking at the Eureka catalogue for inspiration.
http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=1_2_9_11&sort=3a
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thanks, Carlos, very useful!
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The Cherusci gang headed by fearless Hazelius is finished!
I've enjoyed painting them a lot and will immediately start with the Suebi. Next days I will post pics of them with some terrain.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_01_02_12_12_23_49_2.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_01_02_12_12_23_49_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_01_02_12_12_23_49_0.jpg)
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VERY colorful gang. Great stuff. I love these ongoing see-what-I've-done-lately threads. Thanks for the entertainment.
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Very nice Professor.
I'm really drawn to the angry old guy with the spear for some reason.
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Lovely stuff Prof. will b pinching some of those colour schemes for my Runequest project.
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Yeah good stuff...very vibrant colorsvand rich skin tone. Well done indeed.
Blue
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Great looking project! :-*
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Top notch painting! And very inspriring ;)
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thanks for the kind comments, guys!
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Superb brushwork Prof!
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Wow - those were finished quickly (and beautifully I might add).
Nice work Alex.
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I've had a quiet and peaceful weekend, Keith :)
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Lovely :-* :-* :-* Just what I need to see, to start my Picts. However I do have other painting to do ;)
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Would love to see some Picts "a la Blackwolf" :)
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Lovely they are Prof.! I'd really like to know how do you proceed to paint such good stripes on their trousers.
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Thank you. Painting stripes is very easy, you only need a little patience and a steady hand. I will try to make some shots painting next German with stripes.
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Nice choice of miniatures as well.
Lots of interesting characters, painted to a high standard. :-*
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What a great looking bunch!
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Thank you. Painting stripes is very easy, you only need a little patience and a steady hand. I will try to make some shots painting next German with stripes.
thanks! It would be great :) Your stripes are really effective with a nice shade on. A pic of the process would be really appreciated!
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Always with the bright clean colours from the Prof! :D
Love 'em. 8)
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Always with the bright clean colours from the Prof! :D
Love 'em. 8)
Thank you! Well, agree, I actually wanted them a bit more dirty but looks like I'm not the kind of guy for the shady site :)
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Excellent brushwork Prof as always :) :) :) :)
I think Tom Weiss did a very good description on paining stripes when he did some cowboys - will have to check on his site.
Making stripes look good also requires choosing the right colours that go together well o_o
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They are stunning 8)
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some progress on the Suebi
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_02_02_12_9_26_17.jpg)
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Very nice. You're certainly not hanging around with these are you? :)
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I like everything here. The concept, the painting and the colours you have chosen.
I am really looking forward to your stripe tutorial.
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Excellent. I've always liked the way that your skin painting glows.
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More splendid stuff, and so quick with the painting! :o
How big do you see this project?
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thank you all!
How big do you see this project?
two gangs of Germans (10-12 each), one of Romans (12-15 figures), German civilians (as many as I find) and I'm also thinking about a merchant caravan/party with some slaves, bodyguards and that sort fo stuff. Also some animals. That's all.
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two gangs of Germans (10-12 each)
Two gangs of Germans are never enough! ;)
I bet you end up doing more :D
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Two gangs of Germans are never enough! ;)
I bet you end up doing more :D
After finishing of this plan and provided that I’ve still got some motivation for them, I would like to make a gang of Savage Germans (some tattooed and naked guys). But you know, Richard, keeping motivation could be a tricky part sometimes :)
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Nice job again Prof. :)
I'm a little bit surprised about your primer colour choice. Isn't it is easier to achieve that final result with a white base?
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Nice job again Prof. :)
I'm a little bit surprised about your primer colour choice. Isn't it is easier to achieve that final result with a white base?
For some reason I don't like to paint over a white base. Apart from that dark primer provides more depth effect for the final result, at least it's my feeling. Back in the '90s I've used to prime white but I was never happy with it. Till I've tried black.
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I would agree with the Prof, using a black undercoat gives the paint more depth and makes it easier to leave a defining line between items.
I used to white prime, paint the flesh areas light to dark and then paint the rest of the figure black before adding clothing colours but switched to all black about 10 years back as it is easier.
Black undercoat also makes metal parts stand out.
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Hm. I did the opposite: I used black and then I switched to white. It's easier to shade from a light colour than to do the opposite IMO. And I do not miss the thin black line that not always look "realistic". Washes underline every single depth areas leaving you a defining line between items in a proper colour. BTW it's a matter of taste. Especially because the Prof's result is great :)
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So great looking miniatures so far Alex!!! I like Hazelius most, don´t know why ;)
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Great stuff Alex :-* :-*
The use of colour is particulary wonderful.
If i were to mention one thing it would be that they seem a bit tanned for Northen Europeans :)
Really looking forward to the terrain you have planned 8)
cheers
James
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thanks, Jim!
We're in South Germany here, the summer could become very sunny and hot in this region, I know that from my own experience :)
Still thinking about terrain, got some ideas but nothing final.
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Thanks Alex :)
Thinking about it I suppose being exposed a lot of the time (which these chaps would be) would give you a tan.
For the terrain, are you going for purely historical or with a twist of fantasy?
cheers
James
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For the terrain, are you going for purely historical or with a twist of fantasy?
Definitely historical. Something like that on the pics.
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Looking forward to it 8)
cheers
James
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Looking forward to it 8)
ditto! Have you started some building?
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ditto! Have you started some building?
not yet, first painting of the figures, still a lot to do
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That'll be sweet. Your idea is definately a paradigm shift in ancients gaming. At least for me.
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Put together all the suitable civilians I've got, Foundry and Black Tree Design. 13 figures.
BTD ones are actually Celts (if I'm not wrong) but I'd say the'll do it for Germania as well.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_09.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_10.jpg)
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Alex, what are you using to fix the figures onto the painting sticks? Is it a glue, or just some kind of blue-tack? If the latter, is it strong enough to hold the miniature through painting?
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Alex, what are you using to fix the figures onto the painting sticks? Is it a glue, or just some kind of blue-tack? If the latter, is it strong enough to hold the miniature through painting?
Michael, it's just wood glue.
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Wow Prof! :-*
This project is turning out even better than I thought it would be.
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Michael, it's just wood glue.
I use hot glue. Works well.
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I use hot glue. Works well.
I know, it's a part of the Hammer Industries Corkmeister 2000 System. I've studied mate :D
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I use hot glue. Works well.
never tried it, and to be honest I‘m not sure I know what is it. Is it that with the glue gun?
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never tried it, and to be honest I‘m not sure I know what is it. Is it that with the glue gun?
Yeah. A flexible tough bond which dries quickly. Not too difficult to pry loose.
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I know, it's a part of the Hammer Industries Corkmeister 2000 System. I've studied mate :D
Glad to hear I am not preaching to deaf ears. :)
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As usual, a new project, a new witch.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_06_02_12_9_35_41.jpg)
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That witch is spelbinding lol..............and the dog looks familier ;)
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Excellent ... and scary!
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Can't find your other thread on buildings but what about Grand Manner? Exxy but very nice.
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Nice witch. I wish I could paint black like you.
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Nice witch. I wish I could paint black like you.
Careful you must be when painting black, young padawan..
:D
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My Neckar Suebi ready to go..
Now the villagers..
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_07_02_12_7_06_51_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_07_02_12_7_06_51_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_07_02_12_7_06_51_2.jpg)
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A right fearsome bunch! That blue and white shield is particularly striking. :-*
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Wonderful brush work there :-* :-*
cheers
James
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Vibrant is the word!
I have those figures, and my plan for painting them was much more gritty, dull and dirty. Now I have seen them done like this I cannot decide which way is best. :)
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Love the two warbands and the witch! :-*
Looking forward to see how the village people come out.
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Thanks for you kind comments, guys!
Vibrant is the word!
I have those figures, and my plan for painting them was much more gritty, dull and dirty. Now I have seen them done like this I cannot decide which way is best. :)
As mentioned already, I had the same plan, Dylan but it didn't work in my case. Now I'm looking forward to oyur interpretation :)
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So good, so quickly ...
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The speed at which this project is running is amazing – not least because of the amazing quality of the painting.
Just brilliant, really. o_o
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Super Alex. :-*
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Wonderful stuff :-*
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Nice bunch. I think it´s a matter of taste, I would paint them gritty like Dylan, but can´t imagine the Prof to do so.
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...paint them gritty like Dylan...
I'm not gritty, I just had a bath.
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Crikey - those look ace. I wasn't expecting them to be so saturated, but it works beautiful.
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I'm not gritty, I just had a bath.
Can you prove that? ;)
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Marvellous painting on those Germans!! Well done!!
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Great painting! Love this project, Prof! :-* :o
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Hei Alex,
die Schwobaseggel send echt schbitze, woisch :)
Keep them coming
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yeah that paintings pretty awesome, lovely figures.
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when the men go to war..
Foundry Ancient German women pack, the kneeling one on the right side is a Foundry Thracian woman.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_15.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/germans/ancient_germans_16.jpg)
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charachterful addiction Alex! Brilliant touch. These things add a lot of atmosphere to a game.
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:-* :-* Excellent!
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How sad. Even the wolves are howling. Like it! :D
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Lovely.
This is how i always imagine German women to be :D
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when the men go to war..
Great choice of civilians.
Super scene!
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Lovely.
This is how i always imagine German women to be :D
always lamenting? :)
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Very cool scene you put together with the ladies there.
It feels appropriately pagan. :-*
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Great stuff again but I did think of Arnie's Conan when I read the title lol
cheers
James
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I was thinking of Arnie writing the title :)
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Cracking scene Prof.,love the wolves; very evocative :)
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Cracking scene Prof.,love the wolves; very evocative :)
I knew, you would like it. Girls and wolves, dead cert :)
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I knew, you would like it. Girls and wolves, dead cert :)
you are everything a big bad wolf could want...
http://www.youtube.com/v/gza9Kax5DOc?version=3&hl=it_IT
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I was thinking of Arnie writing the title :)
Good man :D
cheers
James
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I was thinking of Arnie writing the title :)
Another Arnie quote "The Germans are nothing without an Austrian to lead them", you need a big Austrian Alex. lol
Excellent paintwork :-*
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Great Job, Mr. Prof. And a very interesting Era. Will you bring this to Hamburg (Tactica)???
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Great Job, Mr. Prof. And a very interesting Era. Will you bring this to Hamburg (Tactica)???
Probably not. Frank asked me for some minis for showcase but I've more thought of all the recently painted Witchtown miniatures, these aren't enough yet to fill the shelves.
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Loving this thread! :-* Loads of inspiration.
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today finally received the Romans, thanks a lot to airbornegrove26 for them :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_16_02_12_6_57_13.jpg)
Later I probably will try to get some more (mounted ones and some armed with gladius) but for the time being it's more then enough.
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always lamenting? :)
Hairy :D
Those Romans look a bit underdressed for campaigning in the dark Germanic forests, in their skimpy little tunics, don't they? ;)
Nice shiny helmets though. You are certainly racing through this project.
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Those Romans look a bit underdressed for campaigning in the dark Germanic forests, in their skimpy little tunics, don't they? ;)
The german village is supposed to be in South Germany (just where I am), you should visit me in summer, sometimes we've got 30-35°C :)
Nice shiny helmets though. You are certainly racing through this project.
I didn't paint the minis yet, the painting is by airbornegrove26. I think they will take an aceton bath soon :)
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you should visit me in summer, sometimes we've got 30-35°C :)
Wow! I might take you up on that one day ;)
I think they will take an aceton bath soon :)
Evil professor >:D lol
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Those Romans look a bit underdressed for campaigning in the dark Germanic forests, in their skimpy little tunics, don't they? ;)
Maybe you found te reason, why the romans lost their legions in germany! Wrong battledress. I can see Sean Connery saying "They came with T-Shirt to a open battle", getting his second oscar... lol
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Actually older painting job, made them about 7 years ago. Just rebased today.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/9/3_21_02_12_9_48_04.jpg)
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Gorgeous! The last one on the right is bloody cool! What's his name? ;D
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Gorgeous! The last one on the right is bloody cool! What's his name? ;D
Humbert :)
Means "famous warrior".
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Lovely project. :-* Have missed it up until now - must be hanging around in the wrong corners of the forum.... On the plus side I have just had 11 pages to catch up all at once. 8)
The german village is supposed to be in South Germany (just where I am), ....in summer, sometimes we've got 30-35°C :)
A few summers back I took a driving holiday in South Germany - stunning heat, really took me by surprise.
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:-* Excellent....Humbert is great !!!
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Another nice batch of barbarians... :-* that will fit right in!
Careful Prof. you are getting close to putting together a real horde!
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Humbert :)
Means "famous warrior".
lol
cool!
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Great miniatures, especially for 7 years ago. :-*
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Thank you for all your kind comments, guys!
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Top notch painting 8)
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Very nice!! Love the colourful painting job!!
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nothing new, just to keep the thread updating, my last LPL entry is going to be a part of this project. The men are looking a bit too celtish, indeed, but that's nothing I wouldn't mind in a German village at the beginning of the first century AD. They are perhaps the refugees from the Po valley. Apart from that there isn't any evidence that the older Ancient german didnt shave themself, no matter what Mark Copplestone thought sculpting them :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/lpl/s06/Prof_01_at_the_barn.jpg)
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Love the brawny blacksmith, where is he from? :-*
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Black Tree Design's "Celtic Folk"
http://www.blacktreedesign.com/europe/product.php?productid=24199&cat=2437&page=2
(http://www.blacktreedesign.com/europe/images/P/ia1029.jpg)
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Thanks Prof.
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Fantastic entry! :-*
And so is the second round, which I would imagine will be posted here soon.
Was wondering how the Romans would come out... and they are brilliant!
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Thank you! To be honest, Ray, I’m not quite happy with my Romans in the current LPL round. Well, on the other side, it’s not really easy to do much with rank&file guys wearing mail armour. We will see, one of the next rounds will feature the tunics wearing levy legionaries, there I could get much colour variety. Only need to find some Foundry pillums for them.
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I thought they looked rather good. I am a bit impartial though. =)
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Wow!!!! To all of this thread! ;D
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thank you, guys :)
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Hi Prof,
your village scenario is great. And in my opinion they look like german people too. First in the rhine area there was a mixture between the cultures. Germanic people lived alongside celtish people. There was trading, fouraging, skirmishing.
Just what you like.
Second: I hate those bearty guys: Germans don't look like hillbilly cavemen during this time. Yes they liked bearts - roman authors reported about that - but not in this way. It's roman propaganda that survived in the ideas of many sculptors.
Your Automatix and Verleihnix are really great. ;) :D
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I think the beards were really done on purpose. Most of the Foundry germans are average historically correct germanic tribesmen, with normal beards. there were three or four packs of both Chatti and Suebi, based on Tacitus and others' biased descriptions. Of course they are a bit caricature, but that's exactly what gives them character, in my opinion.
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Principally it's nothing wrong with the beards and I actually quite like the bearded people made by Copplestone and the most of them are historically correct for sure. I just don't think every ancient German was wearing beard.
But it's nothing of importance, purely matter of taste.
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LPL Round 2 is closed and so another update here.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/ancient/Romans_02.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/lpl/s06/Prof_02_Romans.jpg)
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Love your figures Prof.
My favorite period for Romans.
The chainmail is outstanding.
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They've come out really nicely. I do enjoy following your preojects - they are a lesson in how to get things done properly :).
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Very nice!! :o
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love the romans! crusader?
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Very nice!
Metal helmets are a bit matt in the pictures though? On purpose?
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love the romans! crusader?
Foundry Caesarian Romans (made by Copplestone)
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Metal helmets are a bit matt in the pictures though? On purpose?
Yes, too matt, agree. Was too lazy for glossing over :)
Perhaps also a bit too dark. How said, not really happy with my painting on them.
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When I used to do lots of Ancients... I mixed up my own pots of "bronze." I never found a commercial product which IMO quite got it right.
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When I used to do lots of Ancients... I mixed up my own pots of "bronze." I never found a commercial product which IMO quite got it right.
This "bronze" is my own mix (GW + Vallejo + Foundry) but it's just not the right mix yet.
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This "bronze" is my own mix...
Wouldn't have thought otherwise. ;)
The photo of the minis with the blue background look pretty close, but for my tastes, a bit light.
Are you using Foundry Brazen (36A)? This color appears to have too much of a "yellowish" ting to me. I prefer a stronger brown influence and an overall darker look.
But that's just me. lol
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Are you using Foundry Brazen (36A)?
yes, it's a part of. I'ts not too yellowish to me but for the time being I couldn't say what woudl be the right look as I just don't know what one I would like.
Maybe another extreme, a bit cartoony like this (figure is from Relic):
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390967_10150381014415945_146735935944_8478956_1173935702_n.jpg)
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Bronze in the ancient period would look more like brass dose today, very bright and yellow. The dark bronze we see around today is coated a patina, have a look at the Comitatus site, they have a lot photos with bronze armour.
http://www.comitatus.net/
A very good site, and the are a great bunch of guy too. see there list of up coming events
Regards
Stephen
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Roman Re-enactors in Chester, England
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34352063@N05/6055018121/
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Roman Re-enactors in Chester, England
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34352063@N05/6055018121/
The head of the Chester re-enators is trying to raise funds to build a full Roman fort, as far as I know he has got the land for it. It will be good if he gets this up and running.
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/chester-news/featured-stories/2011/08/04/world-first-roman-fort-project-could-be-built-in-cheshire-59067-29176645/
regards
Stephen
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Roman Re-enactors in Chester, England
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34352063@N05/6055018121/
How cool is that... :o
Back to the bronze..this is one I like:
(http://en.diorama.ru/_img/content/gallery/3671/photo.jpg)
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Awesome mini! :-*
And that is the color I like as well.
I've tried a few times, but I just can't get there with Foundry Brazen.
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persomlly for me that's is too dark. this is what I aim for.
These are Romeo Models and some of the best large scale models I have seen.
http://www.romeomodels.com/index.php?osCsid=852c4ee480b5b768b3e131d888684885
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I know a lot of you chaps are not from England but I was told that a brand new copper coin (one pence and two pence) is a good colour match for bronze ???
cheers
James
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I know a lot of you chaps are not from England but I was told that a brand new copper coin (one pence and two pence) is a good colour match for bronze
It's not bad, but it depends on the bronze. Most of the 'clean' ancient bronze artifacts I've seen (mainly buckles and clasps from Roman segmented armour), the 'bronze' is rather more of a brassy colour. Not all are strictly bronze either - and the current (cautious) archaeological term for any and all 'bronze' objects from that sort of era is 'copper alloy', since many of them contain a fair proportion of zinc instead of, or as well as, tin.
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persomlly for me that's is too dark. this is what I aim for.
These are Romeo Models and some of the best large scale models I have seen.
fantastic sculpt, indeed. It looks more bright but I believe only due to lighting?
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It's not bad, but it depends on the bronze. Most of the 'clean' ancient bronze artifacts I've seen (mainly buckles and clasps from Roman segmented armour), the 'bronze' is rather more of a brassy colour. Not all are strictly bronze either - and the current (cautious) archaeological term for any and all 'bronze' objects from that sort of era is 'copper alloy', since many of them contain a fair proportion of zinc instead of, or as well as, tin.
I'm assuming that a lot of it would depend on where the 'bronze' was manufactured ???
cheers
James
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I'm assuming that a lot of it would depend on where the 'bronze' was manufactured ???
Presumably that would affect it - yes - since making stuff was very much an art rather than a science, and they'd have next to no idea of the composition of the metals they were using... So it'd depend on the ores and their source, i.e. their quality and composition, etc. They'd, presumably, work out, by trial and error, roughly what worked and what didn't.
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How cool is that... :o
Back to the bronze..this is one I like:
(http://en.diorama.ru/_img/content/gallery/3671/photo.jpg)
I have in the past created a very similar effect using a base colour of GW Tin Bitz, and highlighting up by progressively adding GW Burnished Gold and/or GW Shining Gold, I hope this helps.
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These guys make some of the best 90mm figures I have ever seen, here again the Bronze shows up quite bright. there are a few of the Late Roman figures that I am looking to buy later this year.
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As you know (or not) I couldn’t resist and did buy all the Foundry Roman Civilians. These weren’t on my to-buy-list for this project but then I thought it would be nice to have a gang of Roman colonists/settlers defending their farms and families against attacks by the raiding Germans. More to come..
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/lpl/s06/Prof_06_farmers_defending.jpg)
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Love the direction of this project!
Your going to have a great collection when this is finished!
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Thanks, Ray!
As usual, I am never able to keep the original direction of a project :)
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amazing! love the flesh tones
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Wonderful stuff as always Alex!
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You can never have too many civvies :)
Great work Alex, they got my vote 8)
cheers
James
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Thanks, Ray!
As usual, I am never able to keep the original direction of a project :)
Lovely work, Alex!
And it's no wrong in getting too many civilians ;)
My current pulp project is missing about 10 miniatures. And everytime I was about to buy them, I got something else which inspired me :D
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Lovely painting, the flesh and tunics are great, and I particularly like the eyes.
I have the same set of minis; I rather wish Foundry had made the weapons a bit slimmer.
Cheers, Simon
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Skilfully done!
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Great painting. Half fancy some of them myself - except for the problem of not liking paying Foundry's prices.
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They look great, can't wait to see more. =)
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Fantastic. As mentioned previously - you can never have enough civilians.
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Wowereit, the next Great Thing. Excellent painting
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What material do you use to build the earth on the base?
Best regards,
Jodee
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What material do you use to build the earth on the base?
Bird sand. Painted with Foundry Rawhide and highlighted to Valleho Ivory.
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I have prepared some new Romans for painting and painted that one tribune on the first pic (love the figure!). This Foundry Caesarian range is full of gems.
Now back to painting table. A centurion is waiting for me..
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/3_10_05_12_10_32_46_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/3_10_05_12_10_34_10.jpg)
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Great stuff. Yes, that surly Tribune is a lovely character. I like the bareheaded legionaries too. Are they From Foundry? Are these Steve Saleh sculpts?
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I like the bareheaded legionaries too. Are they From Foundry? Are these Steve Saleh sculpts?
Yes, Foundry. The body dollies are probably Copplestone as they look like the rest but these heads are in all probability not from Copplestone. To me they look like Shane Hoyle work, but I could be wrong.
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Very cool project, you're doing these great miniatures justice. The Roman project is progressing nicely.
Chaugnar Faugn showing up might cause some problems for your legionaries and colonists though :P
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Chaugnar Faugn showing up might cause some problems for your legionaries and colonists though :P
nothing a contubernium of veteran legionaries couldn't sort out :)
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I do like the Foundry Copplestones, especially the command figures. I think those heads were added around 4 years ago, when they did the camp set, mounted general, slaves etc, not as nice as the originals but useful variants. That tribune is very nice...
Cheers, Simon
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That was the Round 10 of LPL6 and the last part of the Germans in this project. Sure, who knows, maybe I will paint more of the beardy guys but actually I've got enough for my purposes. Need to paint Romans now.
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ancient_german_cavalry_06.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ancient_german_cavalry_05.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ancient_german_cavalry_03.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ancient_german_cavalry_02.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ancient_german_cavalry_01.jpg)
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:-* Great stuff Prof. :-*
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They really are gorgeous :-*
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Those look absolutely wonderful! The terrain is great too.
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fantastico!
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Looking real good, Alex! o_o
Wonderful project! :-*
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Lovely cavalry. Can't wait to start seeing Romans!
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Beautiful cavalry. I love the scenes of them riding through the landscape.
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thanks for the kind comments, guys :)
some progress on the Romans, Titus Salvius Flaccus, the centurion of the Second Century, of the Fourth Cohort, of the XVII Legion joined the party.
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ancient-caesarian-romans.jpg)
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Yay, centurions to the front! Lovely paintjob on a (at least to my quirky taste) great model. :)
Still waiting though for someone producing figures clad in that awkward organic armour that features so prominently in recent publications on the Roman army topic. Otherwise, one could just cover the mail with green stuff. Well, just thinking aloud. ;)
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Good Lord, those cavalry are lovely!
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that awkward organic armour that features so prominently in recent publications on the Roman army topic.
tell me more :)
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Blimey, the German cavalry are superb! I do love the Copplestone Caesarian range. Will follow developments with great interest...
Simon
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tell me more :)
Just an example from Graham Sumner's work (see e.g. his "Roman Military Dress").
(http://cdn.karwansaraypublishers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/r/print__pullo_and_4b7d2fad9aa28.jpg)
Add to that Raffaele d'Amato (who's gone over the top for my taste), and there's the revival of leather armour and the likes.
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thank you! Indeed, with some green stuff it should be possible to make.
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Another bunch arrived on my workbench, my recent ebay purchase, the Gauls (thanks to Bugsda for the hint!). 12 of them. As soon as I have finished some more of the legionaries, they will be in for painting.
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/gallic-allied-cavalry.jpg)
though it looks like the Gauls had better and bigger horses than the Germans, here is a comparison picture, both horses are Foundry, but the horse of the German guy looks a bit less well-fed..
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/gallic-versus-german.jpg)
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Ah! so it was you who got those Gauls then..... lol
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Ah! so you got those Gauls then..... lol
And you the Caesarian Spanish? :)
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No, I decided to pay the bills instead... lol
I've got a very specific wish list and until now i managed to keep to it.
Do you think the hornblower is a Copplestone sculpt or a later addition to the range?
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he wasn't in the First Foundry Compendium yet so I think it's a later addition. Looks like some conversion work with Copplestone dolly.
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I reckon the chap with the horn is one of the new Gauls, post-Copplestone.
Simon
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The horn blower and the Standard bearer (open handed) are from the later Robi Baker range that was produced by Foundry.
Lovely work on the Romans prof. :D
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For a true Copplestone gaul cavalry I suggest a conversion with the grenadier woodelf carnyx then. ;D
I really like that the horses are a different size. I always presumed they would be the same dollies.
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Stunning collection Alex :-* :-*
It's a joy to see it coming together.
cheers
James
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Just to update that dusty thread, the group shot of the newly painted Germans:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/3_06_06_13_9_48_43.jpg)
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Good looking barbarians :)
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Lovely painting. But isn't the the one on the far left a Gaul? He's wearing a Gaulish helmet.
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Thanks!
Maybe, I'm not that into Gallic helmets. The guy was a part of the BTD German pack so perhaps they didn't make their research properly.
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Lovely painting. But isn't the the one on the far left a Gaul? He's wearing a Gaulish helmet.
Maybe he stole it ;D
Love these Alex, the fur in particular :-*
cheers
James
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They look fantastic. A beautifully painted group.
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Deeelightful ;D
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Don't worry, Alex, maybe Caesar got it a a bit too black and white there: "Well, we came to this unbelievably big river, and beyond that there's dwelling a totally different kind of people, really not worth the effort, very much like those barbarous Brits. In turn, did I tell you how beautifully civilised those Gauls are I just conquered?" ::)
Excellent additions, anyway. I take it, there's still hope for a continuation of this marvellous project?
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Great to see the new additions, it's because of them this topic jumped on my radar!
Lovely paint jobs on everything :-*
Any news on the terrain side of things?
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I agree, absolutely beautiful work in here.
This whole thread will (hopefully) kickstart a similar project for this time period I never started that came about when I got Warhammer Historical's 'Fall of the West' many moons ago.
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They look just great and ready to crack some heads! Well done! :-*
Christopher
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Those Germanen look fantastic. They do not have this clean look some of your miniatures have. I like this better.
Cheers
Björn
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Thanks to all for the kind comments!
Don't worry, Alex, maybe Caesar got it a a bit too black and white there: "Well, we came to this unbelievably big river, and beyond that there's dwelling a totally different kind of people, really not worth the effort, very much like those barbarous Brits. In turn, did I tell you how beautifully civilised those Gauls are I just conquered?" ::)
Excellent additions, anyway. I take it, there's still hope for a continuation of this marvellous project?
Thanks and yes, for sure. Never gave up this, just had to take care of other projects and things. Some legionaries with pilum are painted already and will be appearing here soon, too. You all actually have seen some officers in the APC thread, I’m surely going to post them here, quasi for recording purposes.
I’m still struggling with the main idea of project, being unsure about the further direction of it. At the beginning bearing the idea of a small adventure I’m in the meantime often thinking about bigger warbands. Not quite the usual pitched battle format providing hundreds of minis (rectangular bases - no go for me) but perhaps something with several dozens. In this case I’ will still be able to play small scenarios and additionally to fight medium scaled battles.
Great to see the new additions, it's because of them this topic jumped on my radar!
Lovely paint jobs on everything :-*
Any news on the terrain side of things?
For the terrain I’ve got some houses for the German village (Lt.Hazel built them for me, thanks!), they just have to be painted yet. The Roman villa is bought, too, but still needs some painting. Mentioning terrain is a good point, too often my projects haven’t been completed due to lack of terrain and finally to lack of time to making it. So driving into direction based on aspect of gaming battles I still would be able to play without having all the shiny buildings I would like to have.
You know, Just trying to steer a middle course :)
Those Germanen look fantastic. They do not have this clean look some of your miniatures have. I like this better.
Cheers
Björn
Thanks, Björn, yes, that's the long-time influence of Doc and Lieutenant and of course the GW inks I've bought :)
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Just to update that dusty thread, the group shot of the newly painted Germans:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/3_06_06_13_9_48_43.jpg)
posting them again as they are that good :-*
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Another group shot of the models made within recent months on several occasions, my Caesarian or just late Republican Romans, miniatures are all by Wargames Foundry. Still a long way to go for this topic but it’s a good feeling to get some shapes of that meanwhile long-time project. The character models are all already been shown but the legionaries are new, though really quite a bit of a quick painting.
click on the pic to enlarge:
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Clipboard02.jpg) (http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Clipboard02.jpg)
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Excellent work! :-* :-*
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Superb brushwork! :-* :-*
Christopher
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Awesome work Alex :-* :-* :-*
cheers
James
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Those are wonderful! :-*
Looking forward to future additions.
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Just discovered this thread.
I love them
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Lovely!! It's a very nice group!! :-* :-*
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That's a gorgeous group shot Prof, awesome!!! :-*
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Absolutely wonderful! I love the way the white tunics flow!
Jevenkah
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Awesome, Alex! You really should hand these over to Hazel and me so that our original Tactica project can yet come true. :D
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continuing the late Republican topic I have another Roman legionary today. This time a bit of a test trying to give them a blue tunic. Now I think blue works quite well, so I surely will be getting back to this one again in the future as for some sort of Roman marines. And yes, I will be thinking about other shield design in the case I am really going to do this Marine thing. Also you surely noticed, Lucius has blond hair . No idea how many real Romans were blond (?) but this quy is supposed to have some German ancestors, former slaves.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/3_30_06_13_1_07_04.jpg)
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Very nice, Prof. Apparently many of the Republican Romans were blonde (sp?) but the genetic pool changed over the years to darken their skin and hair.
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Very nice, Prof. Apparently many of the Republican Romans were blonde (sp?) but the genetic pool changed over the years to darken their skin and hair.
There are still a fair number of blonde northern Italians these days, aren't there?
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Bottle Blondes? I thought they were mostly redheads? lol
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but the genetic pool changed over the years to darken their skin and hair.
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former user, in many descriptions of Romans they were described as fair haired, lighter skinned. As the incursions from Moorish/Arab areas came about, so did the appearance of the people of Italian lands to what you see nowadays. As you travel further north in Italy, the people are lighter skinned but the migration of the modern person has seen a blending of skin types and hair colours. Just an observation from visiting and reading.
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this version is somehow new to me.
it is correct what You write about the North-African influence, but this is true for southern Italy and especially Sicily.
To my knowledge, the fair-hair influence came after the roman empire with the Ostrogoths and Langobards, and continued on a smaller level with the influx from the northern-european contacts through the middle ages. And let's not forget the normans in Sicily
In the antiquity, the whole mediterranean basin was a region of contact and exchange through phoenician and later greek trade and colonization. They should share the same gene pool.
I agree that the dark skinned brunette southern european is a cliche and the reality provides for a good mixture. Nevertheless, it is prevalent.
Now the ocurrence of blonde hair is still a question of research, an acceptable start for the several explanations offered is here in this quite well referenced section
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Evolution_of_blond_hair
and I personally would tend to go with the sexual selection proposed by Cavalli-Sforza starting with the Baltic Region, which also goes with the strong demand for blonde hair in the early principate (for ladies wigs) that was traded from northern europe.
there is also a folklore section here that contains quite a few references about the roman times
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Folklore_and_mythology
for which Victoria Sherrow published some conclusive arguments (IMHO)
I think the reason the Prof gave for the blonde roman is actually an authentic one from a roman POV
Edit: there is a reason why my response to the image of the dark-skinned "moorish incursions" gradually changing the original blonde gene-pool seems a bit worked-up. I will send You a PM on this @Poiter50, because I want to make clear that no personal offence whatsoever was intended, however we can't discuss politics here
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Very nice as always!! :-* :-*
Now I think blue works quite well, so I surely will be getting back to this one again in the future as for some sort of Roman marines. And yes, I will be thinking about other shield design in the case I am really going to do this Marine thing.
I started a small project including a Roman marine "commando". I might continue it after you have posted this fantastic miniature.
Cheers.
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I started a small project including a Roman marine "commando"
Would love to see it :-*
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Would love to see it :-*
Done!! lol ;)
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Another important step done, I've got a village for my Germans! Cudos to Lt.Hazel, the houses were completely his work (building and painting!), thanks Jan :)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/3_23_07_13_10_09_34_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/3_23_07_13_10_09_34_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/3_23_07_13_10_09_34_2.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/3_23_07_13_10_09_34_3.jpg)
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Great job, Hazel! :-*
And thank you for the interesting photos, Alex :)
Removable roofs? ;)
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Removable roofs? ;)
some of them.
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Cracking work Jan 8) :-*
And nicely set up Alex :)
cheers
James
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My compliments to the herr leutnant, superb work :-*
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Wonderful stuff and some very nice photos to show them off :-*
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Really nice set up! :-* :-*
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Beautiful work Prof. and Lt.!
I really like the scenes, just wonderful.
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Superb photos.
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Stunning :-*
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Lovely :-*
I want a game there now!!!
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Thanks, guys :)
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Missed the pics completly!!! Great photos, I am glad about the compliments for the houses! The germans are awesome Prof!
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First class collection, both the figs and the scenery. Really inspiring stuff :-* :-* :-*
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Very cool project! I wish i had your endurance to complete something like this but the elder ine the shed seems a little upset ;)
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Thanks guys!
Very cool project! I wish i had your endurance to complete something like this but the elder ine the shed seems a little upset ;)
That's why he actually did want to go to war but the young guys didn't let him :)
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The last days weren’t as productive as I would have liked them to be. Mainly due to perfoming of some private obligations and reading of Simon Scarrow’s "Under The Eagle". A good book, really. Maybe too many of striking parallels to "Full Metal Jacket" but nonetheless a gripping story providing great characters and some nice action. Reading about the battle in the German village I just had to paint some of my BTD Germans, so here we go with Arwed and Gernot..
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/3_12_08_13_8_05_04_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/3_12_08_13_8_05_04_1.jpg)
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nice, 8)
BTD Germans aint too bad are they ;)
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They're blinking nice.
Well done Alex.
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Beautifully done. They look very dangerous! :-*
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Very nice! :-* :-*
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I am sooo inspired by your work.
I wish to do an Assyrian skirmish game too. lol
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Thank you, lads!
I wish to do an Assyrian skirmish game too. lol
me, too :)
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Those are some pretty Germans. I find books dangerous for inspiration where I literally have things I won't read until I've finished current projects.
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Lovely painting! Very nice figures too.
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lovely brush work prof!
I do like the Black tree germans they have come up very nice
cheers
Matt
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Time to dust off that old thread, thanks to LPL i've got some new stuff for these pages. I just had to buy these Warlord Germans, seeing them on the thread of mikeygees (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=61826.0). Top notch characters and fun to paint.
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ancient_germans_warlord_lpl.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ancient_germans_warlord_01.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ancient_germans_warlord_02.jpg)
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Was lucky to see them 'in the lead', but glad to have them pictured here as well. Very effective painting, I like the colour combinations. ;) And these figs have character, indeed.
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They are great characters.
It seems Ancient Germans bring out the best in all sorts of manufacturers and sculptors :)
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Very nice painting and basing - agree 100% about the excellent use of colour.
Cheers,
Scott
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Excellent Alex :-* Are they the plastic ones? They look as good as the Foundry Germanics.
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Thanks, lads :)
Are they the plastic ones?
No, they're metal, Chris.
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Excellent work Alex (got my vote :D ) :-* :-*
cheers
James
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Lovely :D
Reminds me that I must sort out so opponents for my Romans. Might be able to squeeze something in around 2016. So I'd best get ordering lol
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Excellent!
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Excellent Prof.! They're almost as good as mine. ;)
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Fantastic stuff ;D. 28mm ancient Germans seem to have a lot of character. I assume Warlord, Foundry, and Black Tree all mix comfortably together. Has anyone tried also mixing BTD and Warlord Celts with the Germans? I assume Foundry might be a little small.
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Excellent Prof.! They're almost as good as mine. ;)
Thanks, Mikey :D
I assume Warlord, Foundry, and Black Tree all mix comfortably together.
Yes they all work together very well. At the next oppotunity I will provide some shots.
Has anyone tried also mixing BTD and Warlord Celts with the Germans? I assume Foundry might be a little small.
BTW and Warlord aren't in the same size, Warlord is a considerably smaller than BTD. Foundry is even more smaller if I remember right but only a little bit, so I think Foundry and Warlord could work together.
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No, they're metal, Chris.
Excellent! They look just as good as Foundry :)
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Prof, the Warlord Germans look lovely, I will be needing some of those.
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Awesome figures love the guy in the roman armour
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What a lovely bunch of scruffians! :D
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nice one Prof ;)
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No, I didn't stop my Ancients activities and here's definitive proof, some new Ancient Germans, painted for the Round 6 of the LPL.
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ancient_Germans_warriors_01.jpg)
The figure are Foundry, only the one guy bearing the round shield is from Black Tree Design. Btw, The miniature of the black bearded guy was a gift from Captain Blood (thanks, Richard :)).
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ancient_Germans_warriors_05.jpg)
And at the last some archers. Okay, I was too lazy to make the bow strings, the time in this week was a problem :(
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ancient_german_bowmen_03.jpg)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ancient_german_bowmen_02.jpg)
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Cracking as always Alex 8)
cheers
James
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Nicely done! :-* :-* :-*
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Top stuff, I like the snazzy trouser stripes.
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Lovely! :-*
When do we get to see the whole tribe? :)
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They look great :-*
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Yes, they are so wonderful. Great for an open combat-game...
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Very nice Professor. :-* :-*
More please.
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Great painting, love the sword damage to the shields. 8)
Stuart.
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Stunning :-*
Nicely done indeed
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Thank you, guys :-)
Lovely! :-*
When do we get to see the whole tribe? :)
some of them are participating at the big 10000 LAF posts party here :)
(http://www.backofbeyond.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/vulcanalia_laf_10000_4.jpg)
more pics there - http://www.backofbeyond.de/?p=564
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i realy love your style ! o_o
That's give me more taste to continue my project......
Let's go to the workbench.
8)
cheers
Eric
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Hello,
Excellent painting !!! a great project !!!
Nikko
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The picture and the figures look fantastic, Alex. A lot of love for detail and pleasure when painting in this stuff, I think.
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Lovely, Alex! :)
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Cracking work :D
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more pics there - http://www.backofbeyond.de/?p=564
Ooops, just now realised to click on the link! Wonderful looking horde of Ancients, circa 160 minis... that's a small village's worth at least if not a whole tribe yet :)
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This project was so inspiring back in the day, I wonder Professor if you still have these images somewhere to view? The site was such a classic. And a real shame to not see the beautiful photos again!
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This project was so inspiring back in the day, I wonder Professor if you still have these images somewhere to view? The site was such a classic. And a real shame to not see the beautiful photos again!
Some of it shows on archive.org for example https://web.archive.org/web/20160630111201/http://www.backofbeyond.de/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20160630111201/http://www.backofbeyond.de/) but other dates only show an error or blank page.
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Holy cow, what a treat this thread is! Much thanks Professor !! Incredible work. I'm not "one of the lads" (been lurking mainly for a loooonggg time) but it seems like you're quite a legend on here (not to say you aren't anywhere else hehe). Very inspiring and much admiration for your project! Simply surreal.
Still making my way through the 23 pages. I popped back onto the forum to see what else I should add to my Foundry discount shopping cart and I already had 1 pack of these Germans in there and some Gallic Legionaries. Seems like the Germans were a SOLID choice in your case! Excited to see how the thread progresses with the Romans as well as I soak it all in. Didn't realize how old the thread was until I got a few pages in!
Thank you so much for your contribution to the hobby. Love the feel-good vibes emanating from here.
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The Prof hasn't been seen on LAF for a good four years now alas.
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The Prof hasn't been seen on LAF for a good four years now alas.
Oh, now that's a tragedy. I pray that he resurfaces to share some more of his work and wisdom.