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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Mr.Marx on 29 January 2012, 07:02:48 PM
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Hey all.
I'm currently working on a Russian Colonial project and would like to make up a unit of Turkomen. I am however, rather stumped as to what models to use. I was thinking that I could use some crusades era chaps and convert them to carry rifles... but thats as far as I have got thinking down that path. Does anyone have any suggestions as to models or companys that would fit the bill?
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/Mr-Marx/Khiva%20Project%20Stuff/khevsur-1.jpg)
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/Mr-Marx/Khiva%20Project%20Stuff/652px-turkmen_soldiers.jpg)
Thanks
Mr.Marx
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look at the pery sudan range or foundry india ther are horsemen in chainmail
tell us more about your plans
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If you contact Jeff at Outpost Wargames Service,
He has the following mounted and two foot(firing and standing) 19thC Central Asians that would make ideal Turkomen, the photos you posted are not actualy Turkomen but Armenian Georgians, I found this out when I was researching info to have these figs made for the Russians in Central Asia.
Hope this helps, also look at Askari Miniatures as well.
Geoff
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28510682@N04/6157412739/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28510682@N04/5745704498/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28510682@N04/5139542395/in/photostream
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Hi Marx,
Just saw these whilst browsing for something else.
http://indusminiatures.mybigcommerce.com/products/Indian-Rajput-Leader-A-%252d-single.html
Not exactly what you need but close enough for conversions.
Matt
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Thanks for the suggestions.
My plan is to do a generic pair of forces for some colonial games set during the Russian Expansion into Central Asia in the 70's, but can also double up as additional Troops for use in 'Great Game' battles against Britain in India.
Ive got into contact with Askari miniatures and will make an order with them for my Russians, but I'm not sure about getting my Khivians from there due to the cost of international postage. I have yet to acctualy settle on what to get in the way of Cental Asians as I cannot pin down any good accounts or orders of battle to take as a guide.
He has the following mounted and two foot(firing and standing) 19thC Central Asians that would make ideal Turkomen, the photos you posted are not actualy Turkomen but Armenian Georgians, I found this out when I was researching info to have these figs made for the Russians in Central Asia.
Geoff
I was really disheartened to read that - I had really been looking forward to putting together a unit of chain mailed chaps - I will probably still model a few unit leaders and officers in chain mail though.
Thanks everyone anyhow.
Mr.Marx
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the photos you posted are not actualy Turkomen but Armenian Georgians,
Have you got a source for this info? Only they seem to be widely credited as Turkmen across the internet.
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These are indeed Georgian Montegnards, who were in the main Orthodox Christian hillmen.
The armour is a hangover from Tartar Russia with the addition of small buckler shields not dissimilar to scottish highland targes. You might do well to look out for C17 Pancerni cossack figures. They wore similar armour, though fought in the main on horseback and you may have trouble sourcing suitable dismounted variants. these website links show the similarities
https://www.pinterest.com/eternuscruor/pancerni/
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/index.php?prod=54
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Circassia - thats what I remember now from my reading for a never implemented campaign based around the 1806-1812 bun fight between Russia, Ottoman Turkey and Qajar Persia over the Caucasus...
I may be wrong about their religious beliefs but Georgia was mostly Christian, hence Russia's justification for intervention in 1806 against Ottoman and Qajar incursions into Georgian territory at the time.
http://poloniaottomanica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/eagles-in-caucasus-polish-circassian.html
There were a number of ethnic groups in the Caucasus who all wore archaic mail armour that excited Victorian antiquarians when they were photographed in the 1860s...
The images posted are of Khevsurs
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/516928863451693085/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khevsureti
https://www.pinterest.com/rdamota/cossack-caucasian-circassian-warriors/
Hope these links prove of interest
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To me, they look very similar to 17th cetury Polish armoured cavalry.
TAG has them, maybe of use
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/index.php?prod=54
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There's no such thing as "chainmail".
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There's no such thing as chainmail".
Time to get over that; much like there is no such thing as a "rotary telephone".
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The helmets on those Georgians do indeed very closely resemble those worn by Polish pancerni.
As to Turcomen, the best option is probably converting Siberia Miniatures Basmachi; at least they're mostly depicted in the correct clothing You'd 'just' need to back-date the firearms somehow and swap the heads for ones wearing huge, rounded, shaggy hats. An easier, if less accurate, option might be to start with the Copplestone Back of Beyond Caucasian Cossacks and achieve most of the effect with appropriate painting.
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There's no such thing as chainmail".
True, it's "mail" and is derived from Milites, meaning soldier ;) :)
Darrell.