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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Faust23 on February 01, 2012, 08:13:11 AM
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Don't know if any of you are interested in this, but I must say, this is one of the most satisfying purchases I've made in a looooong time.
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Explain why?
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What is ST: Tactics? Is it the Clix game that was annouced? ???
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Star Trek Tactics is the latest release in the Heroclix line.
They have taken 28 ships from all of the movies/series and put them together in a Federation & Klingon fleet.
The game is entirely compatible with Heroclix and the detail on the models is the best I've seen in forever.
Now instead of describing Heroclix as Chess with Superpowers, we can describe it as Chess with Starships!
http://heroclix.com/ has more info. The 4 maps that come with the starter set are Kobayashi Maru, Wolf 359, Deep Space 9, and the Mutara Nebula.
They will also be releasing a 7 figure Away Team set with all Original Series characters. I will finally be able to have Captain Kirk, Batman, and the Punisher on the same team!
Live long and prosper,
Faust
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To be completely spoddy, there were no "away teams" in 1960s Star Trek; there were "landing parties".
But I'm still looking forward to seeing those.
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Spod is such a great word. Haven't heard it in ages. Thought it had died out. Thanks, Steve, you brought a smile to my face.
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I'm a Yank; please translate 'spod'....
Yes, Landing party is better. The set will be based on the JJ Abrahms reboot. But, Kirk is Kirk in any setting! :)
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'Spod' is more or less nerd or geek, so 'spoddy' is unnecessarily pedantic about something that other people probably don't care about, or perhaps being very detailed or overcomplicated in an explanation.
He said, in his somewhat spoddy way.
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I have been elightened. We use other less endearing terms for such behavior here in the colonies. ;)
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I've always thought that a spod was a geek among geeks - the kind that other geeks are embarrassed by, who only cares about the minutiae.
Shame that it's the Abrams reboot being used. The 60s version is the one I like. Still, they may be similar enough.
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Isn't that a nerd? :D
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Tempted... teeeempteddd...
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To be absolutely clear, a "geek" is a specialist - the term came into the larger language from the cant of the side-shows, where a geek was a performer with a very particular talent or act that they'd spent years perfecting (especially if it was a weird one, like the guy who could pass jewelry chains through his nose out his mouth...). So, you can have "gaming geeks", "literature geeks", "computer geeks", etc.
The term "nerd" is supposed to refer not to a person's interests (or obsessions) but their lack of social skills. It's possible to be a nerd with no associated geekiness, and you occasionally run across geeks who are definitely not nerdy. (Though the tend to become more so when they "geek out" on their chosen subject...)
o_o Or maybe I'm overthinking this whole thing...
BTW, cool spaceships! :D
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I unboxed my ships last night. I have 21 of the 28 in the set. I bought two counter displays and the starter.
I had more Federation ships than Klingon Empire. The details are fantastic! Itty bitty decals for hull numbers, the whole thing. They are really quite awesome.
I have about a 50/50 mix of Original Series/Movies to Next Gen/DS9/Voyager ships. One of the most satisfying purchases I've made in a loooong time.
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My first thought was "Star Trek Tactics? Like, 'Send the red shirts in first' type tactics?"
Gracias,
Glenn
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Please tell me the ships aren't random packaged...
Gracias,
Glenn
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Please tell me the ships aren't random packaged...
Gracias,
Glenn
quote.
It should be interesting to check the ruleset. Heroclix was a bit too much board-game like to me, but ... who knows!
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I unboxed my ships last night. I have 21 of the 28 in the set. I bought two counter displays and the starter.
I had more Federation ships than Klingon Empire. The details are fantastic! Itty bitty decals for hull numbers, the whole thing. They are really quite awesome.
I have about a 50/50 mix of Original Series/Movies to Next Gen/DS9/Voyager ships. One of the most satisfying purchases I've made in a loooong time.
PHOTO'S
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PHOTO'S
There are some pics on boardgamegeek (http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/111387/star-trek-heroclix-tactics)
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I may have to check this out.
Like I need more toys. lol
I grew up on the first Star Trek, oh am showing my age.
Always been my favorite SF.
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Ooooooh Nova class vessel... I`m probably going to be snatching some of them of individual reseller sites to add to the fleet
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I grew up on the first Star Trek, oh am showing my age.
Ahh, you are in good company... ;)
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Ahh, you are in good company... ;)
Or even in `slightly insane` company lol lol lol
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/the_hobbit_home/Various/P1030784.jpg)
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These arent due out in the UK til the 28th of Feb, shame.
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The official site doesn't like my browser, so photos here would be great if anyone can do that.
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http://www.figures.com/forums/news/14792-advanced-look-wizkids-star-trek-heroclix-tactics-starter-set.html
Has a full review. I didn't take any pics of my stuff, but I'll see about getting some preview pics added here.
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Does anyone know how these ships compare with the Mongoose ones? I know that they are different eras etc but I'm sure I saw an Excelsior display model at Attack last year.
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Thanks, Faust23.
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Nice review, I have to say I am tempted too, but what I really do NOT like is the obvious scale differences of the ships, they seem to be all over the place. :( :?
The new Mongoose stuff is all 1/2500 IIRC. So some may fit while other will be too big or small...
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I think I'd go with one range or the other. I've got the old Games Workshop Starship Combat which I really liked it at the time.
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Nice review, I have to say I am tempted too, but what I really do NOT like is the obvious scale differences of the ships, they seem to be all over the place. :( :?
The new Mongoose stuff is all 1/2500 IIRC. So some may fit while other will be too big or small...
Inconsistency of scale has always been the downside to Wizkids Heroclix products. It's why I haven't bothered doing repaints of my favorite pieces....none of them are even close to scale.
I can't speak for the mongoose stuff, but the fact that I have nicely painted and detailed ships without picking up a brush is way ok with me. :)
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It looks interesting, but the spod in me can't help but feel a bit aggreived that they've used the same model for the USS Voyager and the Warship Voyager. Sorry but anyone who's seen Living Witness will feel dissapointed that Heroclix decided to cut costs here. The warship voyager just screamed a barbarian lack of subtlety and that should have been reflected in the model.
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proud Lion tell me that the boxed set will be £20 and the ships £4 each, but he thinks that the boxes will not be sealed meaning that you could choose your ships!
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Huh. Was that the Excelsior I saw on the Wizkids homepage banner? To heck with Voyager, I want one of those!
Wow, TWO Excelsior-class ships? The Hood and the Excelsior? I'm in.
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So the ultimate question is; what does one buy- ST:Fleet Commander or ST Tactics?
I really like the sound of STFC,but the pricetag is pretty hefty. What are other's thoughts?
Cheers
Andy
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I'm very tempted by ST:FC but it suffers, in my mind anyway, from being set in the Starfleet Commander universe which has marked differences from the TOS universe.
I'll prob buy some models but use them for ColonialBattlefleet which we play at the local club. Thinking of painting some Starfleet models with the nice mirror universe flame motif.
Rules are meant to be really good and id say offer more flexibility than the clix game. Clix was pretty good but lacked the customisation I prefer in games.
Now if only someone did some affordable NextGen era models I'd be straight in there with a Cardassian fleet, oh and prob some Romulans... I can but dream.
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I'm very tempted by ST:FC but it suffers, in my mind anyway, from being set in the Starfleet Commander universe which has marked differences from the TOS universe.
I'll prob buy some models but use them for ColonialBattlefleet which we play at the local club. Thinking of painting some Starfleet models with the nice mirror universe flame motif.
Rules are meant to be really good and id say offer more flexibility than the clix game. Clix was pretty good but lacked the customisation I prefer in games.
Now if only someone did some affordable NextGen era models I'd be straight in there with a Cardassian fleet, oh and prob some Romulans... I can but dream.
Thanks for the info.
Now to show my ignorance; whats the difference between the TOS universe and the ST Commander universe? I assume STC Universe incorporate things from every series? Where as TOS is only the original series?
Cheers
Andy
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The Starfleet Battles universe is much darker in tone. Can't have a starship combat game set in a universe where everyone eventually gets along. Slightly more 'grimdark' but not so you could tell big differences. There are also some new races and alliances that did not appear in the original series, although some did in the animated shows.
I think its the introduction of new stuff that threw me a little. The thing to remember though is that it's 'almost' the same. Only nerds like myself get their sknickers twisted by the minor differences. Its a licensed product but does not directly reference Enterprise or any characters like Spock and Kirk.
Also the original game requires a PhD in Warp Engineering to play. I'm not kidding. You have to allocate energy to shields and weapons systems whilst maintaining life support and internal systems... That isnt to say its not good. I picked up my copy from a car boot sale for 25p. I asked the lady how much he wanted for the star trek game beneath a few old football mags. She said 'twenty five'. I assumed she meant pounds given the condition it was in. Best geeky buy I think I've ever made!
Anyways enough rambling. I'll most likely pick up a copy of the mongoose game rules. I'll hold out on the clix game and prob pick up bits and bobs on ebay and at shows when they eventually turn up after people get bored with them ala the Starwars figures.
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Also the original game requires a PhD in Warp Engineering to play. I'm not kidding. You have to allocate energy to shields and weapons systems whilst maintaining life support and internal systems... That isnt to say its not good. I picked up my copy from a car boot sale for 25p. I asked the lady how much he wanted for the star trek game beneath a few old football mags. She said 'twenty five'. I assumed she meant pounds given the condition it was in. Best geeky buy I think I've ever made!
Actually I think I've played that game. It was ok. It felt like it could be a really fun game, but it was too convoluted.
I'm sorely tempted by the Wizkids fleet captain. I've heard the production credits are poor; the hexes don't line up, ships are often broke etc. However the game is meant to be great fun. I'm not much of a trekkie but I'd lovea decent space battle game.
Cheers
Andy
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If you're not much of a trekkie then I'd suggest Full Thrust or Colonial Battlefleet. I think Full Thrust is still free and CB is cheap as chips on Wargamesvault.
Couple of ships from anywhere that takes your fancy and boom, job done. That way you can have the flavour you want without having to spend a great amount.
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The starter set for the Star Trek: Tactics game is $24.99 USD. Each 1 ship booster is $4.99 USD.
I have the Excelsior and still need the Hood. Is ST:Tactics the be all end all of Starfleet gaming? No. Is it fun, fast, and like Chess with Starhips? You bet!
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Sadly, over this side of the pond, we have to wait another 23 days.................
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Don't worry. I'm in the final push to publish my skirmish game, so I'm on hiatus on all other gaming 'til then. You'll probably get yours before I actually play with mine!
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Very, very interesting. Given that the ships have no standard scale, how do they match size-wise in a ship to ship comparison with the old Galoob micro machines?
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Looks interesting. Don't really like the look of the minis: detail's waaaay too chunky, and has too many liberties taken, but then I'm an old Trek modeler, so I'm probably more prone than others to notice that stuff. If the system's good though, then it's just a matter if clipping the bases off and remounting them with more satisfying third party minis.
Some of that comments sound familiar from Star Trek Online, which I started playing a bit recently. Fun, but it's got similar slightly more grimdark lore (everyone's given an excuse to be freshly at war with everyone else, and the Prime Directive is apparently no longer enforced or respected by Starfleet) and odd/junky design accuracy liberties going on.
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I have a huge collection of Micro-Machines that will fit the bill if all you need are the rules. :D
Is scale important in a game where, theoretically, ships are 100s or 1000s of miles apart? ???
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It is to me. I dont like to be to pedantic over scale in a space game, but i like ships to look in context with one another-a frigate looks smnaller than a cruiser, both are smaller than a battleship. Pedantry again, but otherwise doesnt the whoe thing lurch more toward boargame than miniature wargame?
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That is true, but then this is fantasy. If the Defiant, for example, were to scale it would be tiny, but in ST it is a dangerous vessel. In naval terms, Enterprise was a cruiser, only just in the realms of the big ships, but would have been swatted by a battleship.
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Scale's actually a secondary concern for me. I mean, it's important to me too, but what I was getting at was actually the chunky, inaccurate, and oversimplified detail.
FASA did much better a quarter of a century ago, and Micro Machines proved it could be done better in plastic fifteen years ago. I kinda feel like there's no excuse for how bad these look.
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Ah! Now I see your point. Haven't seen these ships, but, as I said, minded to buy the boxed set for the rules then look at the ships. I have a load of the MM ones, many of the Federation renamed by hand, and could make Klingon or Federation fleets easily................
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I wonder how much work it would take to DIY as set of clix bases. Nothing too fancy, just something that I could base a third party mini on so I wouldn't have to go buying and trashing official minis just for the bases.
FASA and Micro Machines might require some Indiana Jonesing to get a hold of (and Micro Machines do have that scale issue). Maybe it's time to have another look at Shapeways, see if their materials and print resolution have improved.
I seem to remember a few years back there were a couple garage kit outfits dedicated to unofficially expanding the Micro Machine line in resin. Wonder if they're still around.
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Got to play one game last thursday night. I lost, but was ok with that. Probability Control on the USS Rhode Island is a bitch to play against.
The cool part is that with the reduction in Attack values and Damage in this set, things like Eneregy Explosion, Enhancement, and Incapacitate become much more useful.
I'm looking forward to our tournament on Thurs. The Warship Voyager LE is up for grabs.
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I've never player heroclix; what is the rule set like? Is it complicated or easy to pick up? Is play tediously slow or nice and fast?
Cheers
Andy
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I've never player heroclix; what is the rule set like? Is it complicated or easy to pick up? Is play tediously slow or nice and fast?
Clix rules aren't that difficult.
They all rely on the principle that for each point of damage that gets through you turn the base dial 1 click. If the new result isn't KO/killed you're still in the game.
You can download the rules from their site :
http://heroclix.com/category/heroclix/star-trek-tactics/
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So tonight we played a 300 point tournament at my local brick & mortar store, The Launch Pad.
Lost all three games. Yeah, I'm a fanboy who is more in love with his ships than he is with smart tactics! :o
But, with the asteroid remnants of the Klingon moon Praxis, or the Borg Trans Warp tunnels, as maps, we had a blast!!!