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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: answer_is_42 on February 09, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
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Hello all,
So I’ve started a new project; a Dutch infantry platoon for Disposable Heroes in 28mm. I’ve already got an early war German infantry platoon (see below) and wanted a more ‘original’ (obscure?) force to face them. The Dutch army in 1940 was woefully under equipped and, indeed, undertrained but the troops nevertheless fought as hard as anyone else.
For figures I am using Outpost’s 28mm Romanians; not only did the Romanian army use Dutch made helmets, they were attired and equipped almost identically to the Netherlands army.
Three squads of eleven, a three man command team, an M08 MG team and enough figures left over to crew a yet-to-be-acquired infantry gun:
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The chaps at Outpost were very nice and kindly replaced all the figures with rolled greatcoats with those without for me, although this does mean that I have one less pose. The figures themselves are quite good (although the helmets could do with a bit more work), and scale well with my foundry Germans :
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My only real complaint is with the Officer figure, who is waving his pistol around in a rather silly manner. A bit of greenstuffing fixes this:
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The basic Dutch infantry support weapon was the Lewis Gun. My platoon will have one (or maybe two...). This chap's was supplied by Company B:
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Finally for today I put together the M08 HMG:
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I did not intend to include and armour in this project (the Dutch had virtually none), although I have become rather taken with the idea of a Vickers-armed Carden-Lloyd tankette, five of which were used by the Dutch during the invasion:
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Anyone know where I can get one in 28mm?
Finally a couple of poor photos of my Germans (Foundry with a smattering of Crusader/BEF). You will notice that they are somewhat outnumbered by the Dutch (an excuse to buy more! ;D)...
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Thanks for looking!
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Nice looking set of Germans there. Will be good to see how the Dutch turn out. Who makes the Panzer by the way?
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Nice looking set of Germans there. Will be good to see how the Dutch turn out. Who makes the Panzer by the way?
Thanks! The PZ IA is from Empress (SCW range).
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Cheers. Didn't know Empress did vehicles too. :)
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Good to see an under-represented theatre get some attention. Google revealed that Reiver Castings does a 28mm Carden-Loyd tankette:
http://reivercasting.wordpress.com/ (http://reivercasting.wordpress.com/)
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I did not intend to include and armour in this project (the Dutch had virtually none), although I have become rather taken with the idea of a Vickers-armed Carden-Lloyd tankette, five of which were used by the Dutch during the invasion:
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/answeris42/Models/World%20War%202/landsverk_artikel_0011.jpg)
Anyone know where I can get one in 28mm?
Company B will have one of these vehicles out this year.
Cheers,
Helen
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Always good to see unusual WW2 subjects like this, particularly in 28mm
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Heh, nice to see someone gaming my neck of the woods...
You said you didn't want to include armour, but have you looked at the Dutch armoured car squadrons? We had a bit more of those than the Carden-Lloyd Tankettes.
Just have a look at these two links:
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/hol/Netherlands.htm (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/hol/Netherlands.htm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_vehicles_of_World_War_II#Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_vehicles_of_World_War_II#Netherlands)
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A nice collection there, Pete. :D
What rules are you using?
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Nice project, it'sgood to see folk getting off the well worn path, so to speak. I think Company B were talking about doing a Carden Lloyd carrier weren't they?
I must say I'd really struggle with the temptation to paint the Dutch as Smurfs.
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What rules are you using?
Disposable Heroes
Good to see an under-represented theatre get some attention. Google revealed that Reiver Castings does a 28mm Carden-Loyd tankette:
http://reivercasting.wordpress.com/ (http://reivercasting.wordpress.com/)
Order placed (£10?! damned cheap, too). Thanks for the link.
You said you didn't want to include armour, but have you looked at the Dutch armoured car squadrons? We had a bit more of those than the Carden-Lloyd Tankettes.
Yes, I am aware of the armoured cars, but I prefer the Carden-Lloyd (sorry!), and I very much doubt I could find an AC model!
Thanks for the comments.
On another note, I am still looking for a gun to convert into a 6-Veld infantry gun (57mm Krupp). Any ideas? Images:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37530.0
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They're ALIVE! lol
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Decided to go against the list in the DH Futile Gallantry book and only put together two squads, partly as it felt a bit silly having the Dutch outnumber the Germans, and partly ‘cos I’m a bit lazy. I'll do the others at a later date.
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It would be good if you could post a picture of the Carden-Lloyd when you get it
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First squad done:
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Well, I think so anyway. Whatcha think?
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Base colour was Vallejo's 'German Uniform'.
Not convinced by the helmets, but they're painted now... :?
Big photos, sorry.
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Gosh, that was quick! :o
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Nice project, it'sgood to see folk getting off the well worn path, so to speak. I think Company B were talking about doing a Carden Lloyd carrier weren't they?
I must say I'd really struggle with the temptation to paint the Dutch as Smurfs.
Leave the smurfs out of it Smallbones :-)
Company B will have one out this year by all accounts based on the information I've at hand.
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Oh, Helen, and I was waiting for Vallejo to bring out a new Smurf Blue shade for them. :D
...and white for the helmets, of course..... lol
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Oh, Helen, and I was waiting for Vallejo to bring out a new Smurf Blue shade for them. :D
...and white for the helmets, of course..... lol
There will be no laughter on this board :-)
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:'(
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Those are looking great. Cracking job getting them done so fast. Really odd but nice uniform.
Cant wait to kill them. :)
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Gosh, that was quick! :o
Yes, well, student life provides one with an astonishing amount of free time...
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It would be good if you could post a picture of the Carden-Lloyd when you get it
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Gunshield's made out of some clear plastic.
Perhaps a little too small for Outpost figures. Perhaps not.
The model's ok, anyway. A few nasty mouldlines here and there, but nothing too severe.
Anyone know what the piece in the top left hand corner of the first photo is for?
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I'd take an educated guess and say it's the tow bar for an associated trailer.
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...what this extra piece is for? It would be nice if manufacturers included simple instructions - huh? >:(
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Good to see an under-represented theatre get some attention. Google revealed that Reiver Castings does a 28mm Carden-Loyd tankette:
http://reivercasting.wordpress.com/ (http://reivercasting.wordpress.com/)
I was just about to post that. It's a lovely piece too.
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Painted the M08 last night. I knew I wouldn't be able to exactly match the shade of the first squad's uniforms, and these are slightly too dark. Ho-hum.
Wasn't very sure on the colour for the gun either, so just went with generic green. Anyone know what colour Dutch equipment/AFVs were painted?
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Are you mixing your paints on the fly again '42'?
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Are you mixing your paints on the fly again '42'?
Yeeees. Almost done the second squad, and they're too green! >:( ;D
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Second squad and command team done. I'll base them today/tomorrow and then crack on with the Carden-Loyd (and see about taking some worthwhile photos! :?). Still wondering about the infantry gun.
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Looking good. This batch look very blue. lol
The officer looks much better when hes not aiming at overhead birds.
MM
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So, intermission over. I've painted the Carden-Loyd Lynx. Behold as it is dwarfed by the mighty Panzer IA.
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Still on the lookout for an infantry gun. Also time to start thinking about terrain (obviously I'll need a canal...).
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Looks very good
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Very inspiring project, I was wondering about Renegade Miniatures late war ww1 German Artillery for the field piece
http://www.renegademiniatures.com/ww1lwger.htm
it looks to be a Krupp 77mm, which the Dutch did have. Most of their field pieces were obsolete from the early 20th century, and having been modernised in the 1920's, so I think this gun won't look too out of place.
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Very inspiring project, I was wondering about Renegade Miniatures late war ww1 German Artillery for the field piece
http://www.renegademiniatures.com/ww1lwger.htm
it looks to be a Krupp 77mm, which the Dutch did have. Most of their field pieces were obsolete from the early 20th century, and having been modernised in the 1920's, so I think this gun won't look too out of place.
Oh, yes that looks quite close to what I want. Thanks for the link!
This project is on pause at the moment for my uni exams, but I should have enough stuff for a game in a month or so, so stand by.
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Nice looking miniatures. I can't wait to see pictures of them in a game. I love that you went with the tankette. I am a big fan of early war armor.
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Once I suggested a production of Duch soldiers on a forum...no answers!
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Once I suggested a production of Duch soldiers on a forum...no answers!
I would buy some. It seems like there is an increase in the interest of Early War at the moment, so I suppose I wouldn't be the only one.
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Finished my exams, hurrah!
Following eketar's suggestion I've gone with a 75mm Krupp gun (7-Veld in Dutch use). It's from Tiger miniatures, nice model, though I needed to modify it somewhat to look like the Dutch gun. They crew were rather tricky, too. Anyway, the platoon is now finished! Next up, some terrain.
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that gun looks great! what kind of terrain are you going to build?
A problem I have run into with Dutch terrain, is unlike Norman terrain for instance with lots of LoS blocking bocage, Dutch fields don't have anything which would block LoS to demarcate them. Instead they have ditches which run round the outside with a small piece of earth which connects fields to eachother or to roads. Also, most of the country is dead flat, so that leaves only trees as LoS blocking terrain.
I am building my terrain board so ditches are cut into the surface, much like how rivers are put into gaming tables. I will share some pictures when I get around to borrowing my Girlfriends camera.
Good luck with your next project!
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Who makes 28mm tulips? :D
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that gun looks great! what kind of terrain are you going to build?
A problem I have run into with Dutch terrain, is unlike Norman terrain for instance with lots of LoS blocking bocage, Dutch fields don't have anything which would block LoS to demarcate them. Instead they have ditches which run round the outside with a small piece of earth which connects fields to eachother or to roads. Also, most of the country is dead flat, so that leaves only trees as LoS blocking terrain.
I am building my terrain board so ditches are cut into the surface, much like how rivers are put into gaming tables. I will share some pictures when I get around to borrowing my Girlfriends camera.
Good luck with your next project!
Well, obviously this is only a small project so I won't be doing too much. Definitely a canal, bridge and couple of pillboxes (see link below). I guess I’ll have to rely on trees and buildings for breaking LoS. I’ve been to the Netherlands a fair few times so I’ve a good idea of the sort of ‘look’ needed.
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php?page=photo&pid=3905
It would be good to see some photos of your stuff!
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Buildings of WW2 Netherlands are very typical and full of personnality.
But your game table wouldn't be complete without a windmill !
(http://www.filmapia.com/sites/default/files/filmapia/pub/place/Dutch_Windmill.jpg)
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what an excellent thread! you are making me proud 8)
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Buildings of WW2 Netherlands are very typical and full of personnality.
But your game table wouldn't be complete without a windmill !
(http://www.filmapia.com/sites/default/files/filmapia/pub/place/Dutch_Windmill.jpg)
I saw one done with laser cut...very nice work. I wanted one.
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Great work! Really enjoying the thread!
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Great work! Really enjoying the thread!
what an excellent thread! you are making me proud 8)
Thank you, you're too kind. I'm working on the terrain at the moment, expect some pictures soonish.
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Great work on your project, well done.
Helen
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8) Very nice; you're building up quite the force there! Are you going for a Grebbeberg setting? I noticed the pictures in your initial post. If so, there's no need to limit yourself to flat polders; the area around the Utrechtse Heuvelrug is quite hilly and wooded and the Grebbeberg is not called that for nothing... :D
Also, most of Brabant, Limburg Overijsel and Drenthe are quite broken up with woods and the occasional row of hills. Not many polders to be found. The only places the Germans attacked (through) that are like a cut up billiards table are Friesland and Groningen (to get to the Afsluitdijk through Kornwederzand) and some of the areas in Zuid Holland, where the Fallschirmjäger landed (to capture the queen and the airfields there).
The tankettes, I feel, are/were more of a novelty within the Dutch army than a serious part of the organisation and operations. Now Landsverk armoured cars on the other hand... Neither saw use at the Grebbelinie though; the tankettes towed guns within the Fortress Holland and the armoured cars saw action in Limburg and Brabant, during delaying actions, and another squadron fought the air landing Germans around Leiden and the airfields.
Oh; and as one Dutchman to another; please, please don't do windmills... ::)
As it is, I've been toying with the very same idea myself for some time now, and your work has convinced me to go ahead and make it happen. I've already painted a squad of EW Fallschirmjäger for another project (pulp RPG campaign), so the opposing forces have a head start already... :)
Following your thread, I did notice however, that even though your painting and basing is good, I must admit to being quite disappointed by the sculpts. Nothing you can help of course, but those guys are not for me. I do very much like your 7 Veld though! :)
And since there really are no alternatives out there, I've more or less decided to sculpt them myself. Multipart (seperate heads and arms) to increase the range of poses. I should also look into casting them, preferably in metal. The demand for such a rather obscure subject would no doubt be small, but perhaps some people might be interested (I'm looking at you 42 :D ).
I will probably start within the next couple of months; first some ongoing projects need finishing. Still; I am stoked to get started on these guys...
Keep up the good work! 8) Oh, and maybe I missed it, but what rules will you be using with these guys?
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"Oh; and as one Dutchman to another; please, please don't do windmills... "
Yes if you want something truly iconic do some shopfronts with scantily clad women reclining behind the plate glass. :D
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And since there really are no alternatives out there, I've more or less decided to sculpt them myself.
Keep up the good work! 8) Oh, and maybe I missed it, but what rules will you be using with these guys?
Oh, don't tell me this after I've painted all the Outpost figures! lol
Can't say I'm hugely happy with the figures either, although to be brutally honest the Dutch uniform of WW2 was quite ugly anyway... :P
If you do go ahead with this though I'd strongly advise you look at Romanians as well - the two armies are so close in terms of uniform, you'd be able to produce them as either (just add some ZB LMGs and a couple of other bits). There would certianly be a market for them, if not for Dutchmen.
I’m currently using Disposable Heroes for my games.
Edit: Oh, and on the topic of location, I'll just say 'South-West ish', so as to not rule out the possibility of French support (Panhards/R-35s are cool).
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Better late than never, right? ;)
I'll just say 'South-West ish', so as to not rule out the possibility of French support (Panhards/R-35s are cool).
Good idea. You'll have potential for urban areas, as well as wooded and rural. And think of the Moerdijk bridges; you'll be able to fight both airborne troops and regular Heer plus SS! And the armoured support such as the tankettes and the Landsverks would not be out of place either. Plus, you could what-if a running tank battle between forces of R-35s and Panzer 1/2/3s as well! Good call 8)
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really enjoying this thread :) great work also solved a problem I had.
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Hi all, check this out :D
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=90525.0
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http://www.may40miniatures.com/landsverk-m36/
new post on our blog.
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... not only did the Romanian army use Dutch made helmets, they were attired and equipped almost identically to the Netherlands army.
That's interesting, for a brief moment I thought I might have the solution for doing Romanians to join my German forces against Soviet Russia. Of course in 6mil no one makes WW2 Nederlanders. :? Guess I'll file the heads of some soviets, to my eyes they look very similar kit wise.
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Very cool looking 1940's force, well done!
Any reason your Pz I still bears the full white cross used in the Polish invasion?