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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: crisis_core on 26 January 2008, 11:46:11 PM
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Hi guys, I'm really new to this genre of wargaming (got a little sick of painting wood elves for LoTR) and for some reason after playing COD4 I was really hankering for some real-time combat wargaming. Somehow I latched onto the idea that fighting zombies would be an awesome idea, and so here I am! :mrgreen:
I've been looking at a few different producers, especially the ones that produce marine forces, and I've just been wondering about scale. I plan on using GW undead in order to bolster my zombie forces, so as stated before, marine and civilian forces need to be found.
I'm wondering about size comparisons between Foundries 'Street Violence Range' (http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/SV/5/index.asp)(their SWAT teams and the FBI) and Black Scorpions (http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/range.asp?the_range=USM) 'US Marines' Range (Although the Old West Range looks so good it could be used as generic civilians, their priest is rather good as well). Black Scorpions range is stated as 32 mm, where GW (especially its 40k range) is 'apparently' 28mm (closer inspection of an Assault Marine reveals the range to be in the 30's).
So would anyone be able to tell me how they size up? Also, does anyone know any good manufacturers of stock-standard civilians?
Thanks!
John
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Black Scorpio are bigger than a lot of other figures but not too much which makes them good for heroes. I have most of their Desolation Row figures lined up to be zombie hunters.
There is a lot of size variation in the Street Violence range but generally they're good with other ranges. Their Police are on the small side though.
The Assault group makes a good range of SWAT figures and you'll probably find something you can use in Westwind's Road kill range.
Civilians are harder to get hold of. There are some oop packs in the Superfigs range but the figures are hit or miss quality wise. You may find some on ebay.
I use Mini Homie figures myself but they're difficult to find too.
(http://www.matakishi.com/Homies%202.jpg)
Thugz offer an armed civilian option :)
(http://www.matakishi.com/thugz%20cropped%202.jpg)
Sizes:
(http://www.matakishi.com/Homies%20height%20chart.jpg)
More zombie stuff here:
http://www.matakishi.com/zombieinvasion2005.htm
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Not getting those pics, Matakishi. Some kind of link SNAFU?
Edit: Not getting your site either. I think it is down.
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I'm on it at the moment, but it's very slow atm. :(
Too much traffic probably :)
edit: Actually way too much traffic :lol:
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Where are those 'Thugz' from? Is there a company called that?
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Hello and welcome.
Pappa Midnight has used the Old glory cilivians for some time now, great as survivors, (he uses em as zombies! ;) very cool).
Copplestone has a few media types, as do E4Miniatures.
TAG look nice, (just ordered a load of NBC rangers and marines and swat) Black scorpion marines as nice, 32mm so would blend in with GW zombies nicely as their a little on the large side.
Alternatively as its near future, just max up your plastic (shhhh!) cadians as a delta/zombie team?
There's a scale comparison website who's address escapes me but someone else on the forum will oblige I'm sure.
And I know what you mean about elves! (did all my high elves and uruk-hai in one hit over a christmas break once, 32 elves and 48 uruks);).
;)
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Where are those 'Thugz' from? Is there a company called that?
Found them! Any european dealers of those Bobby Jackson minis?
Btw. I think his Men@Arms look like the old Advanced Heroquest plastic henchmen (which I have to get out for some S&S action soon, come to think of it....)
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Found them! Any european dealers of those Bobby Jackson minis?
Btw. I think his Men@Arms look like the old Advanced Heroquest plastic henchmen (which I have to get out for some S&S action soon, come to think of it....)
eM-4 Miniatures
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Thugz.html
Men at Arms are meant to look exactly like the old GW figs. Apparently many people love them :?:
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They have a certain 'ligne claire'-look to them. It may be pure nostalgia, but the style is so instanly recognizable, that I cannot help liking them, too - it brings back lots of fond memories from the days of the rise of the Empire :wink:
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josef@Obelisk Miniatures makes a set of hoods to.
http://www.obeliskminiatures.com/
The homies plastic miniatures can or could be found at Urban Outfitters. I am shure there is one at least in Copenhagen which you could give a call.
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Yeah, those Obelisk ones are on my wish list, too.
Funny. Just a couple of months ago I wished for an Obelisk 'dogs-deal' because I could use the dogs but wasn't planning on doing any contemporary/near future gaming... and look at me now!
This forum is a dangerous place :D
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Firstly, thanks a lot lads, you've certainly given me some pretty darn good places to look in terms of bog-standard civilians.
Alternatively as its near future, just max up your plastic (shhhh!) cadians as a delta/zombie team?
There's a scale comparison website who's address escapes me but someone else on the forum will oblige I'm sure.
And I know what you mean about elves! (did all my high elves and uruk-hai in one hit over a christmas break once, 32 elves and 48 uruks);).
Commander Viper, respect for painting all that in one go...I got sick of them after painting around 15 wood elves...terrible stuff.
I did a bit of research, and after digging around for what seemed like an age, I managed to dig up a pretty awesome conversion that Hoff did over on the Warseer forum. Btw, what is this TAG you speak of? Would you be able to link me?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/johnyance/traitors10ys5-1.jpg)
I realise that the conversions are ridiculously extensive, but hey, I can dream :D
I also managed to find that scale comparison at Wee Toy Soldiers (http://www.weetoysoldiers.com/wp/?page_id=167)
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Tag, the assault group can be found here
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/
Very nice minis
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OMG - that TAG-site has a lot of possibilities for C/NF-gaming!!!
Are they 28 mm like for instance Copplestone FW or Foundry SV?
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Glad to have helped matey, those chaos traitors are wicked, but back on topic ;)
I meant that if you used the cadian plastics, maybe a scale weapon swap for something more 21st century rather than 41st, lose the IG symbols on the helmet and carpace armour and you could have a very nice delta/seal team in keeping with your GW zeds (which are on the big side against other companies).
And it's a Y not an I soldier! ;)
The Commander
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OMG - that TAG-site has a lot of possibilities for C/NF-gaming!!!
Are they 28 mm like for instance Copplestone FW or Foundry SV?
28mm mate job's a goodun!
;)
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I meant that if you used the cadian plastics, maybe a scale weapon swap for something more 21st century rather than 41st, lose the IG symbols on the helmet and carpace armour and you could have a very nice delta/seal team in keeping with your GW zeds
The Commander
heh ahh right. i think i get you now. I guess I could combine them with SM Scout legs in order to get that SWAT look.
In terms of the civilians, I've managed to locate the Old Glory Civilians (http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SF%2DCV%2D01) (rather nice ones at that).
The Hasslefree Adventurers are looking especially good. Although the problem is that they are very out of scale with those of the GW Cadians. That can be said for the Foundry SWAT teams as well though..the scale seems inconsistent...GAH! The frustration!
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In terms of the civilians, I've managed to locate the Old Glory Civilians (http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SF%2DCV%2D01) (rather nice ones at that).
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If I were you I would have a look aty these in the flesh I bought these last year and they are a mixed bag in terms of sculpting, some are fantastic whilst others are decidedly dodgy
I did a review on the horror forum for zombificationm this was a chat with Pappa Midnight:
Hello All, I just received the 3 packs today in the post, As I am working from home..here is a reveiw.
The General Fiugres seem to be from a mixture of sculptors, I am assuming this because of the different styles. Size wise they are Road Kill size with the odd exception (I will pick these out as I go). Those that to me could be zombies I will put a Z
Pack One
Woman in pleated skirt and jacket carrying case - OK, ankles a bit thick
Man in leather Bomber jacket, good pose in aggressive stance with arm out-could put weapon in hand
Film Camera Man - look great with combat trousers and short jacket, baseball cap and droopy tash - straight out of a Nam film (slightly bigger than other two)
Girl with Afro walking pose, again good survivor though the hands would be too fragile to drill and put a weapon in.Z.
Camera Man, a bit thin this figure though in proportion, nice pose though
Drunk in 3/4 length coat and battered top hat with bottle - beautiful figure, would fit any Victorian/wild west range could be a Z
Man with Mobile phone looking at watch, funny stance, legs dont look right
Female News reporter, A thin figure though not too bad
Kid with football - Naff, enough said
Kid with arm raised - basic could be Z
Pack TWO
Man holding arm out as if hailing a bus, nice pose
Teenage girl in gym skirt thingy, thin sculpt
Woman with hands up - looks a bit butch could be Z
Man with Backpack - heroic stance with hand positions could be armed with pistol or hand weapon
Woman with pram - looks a bit of a bloater - head a bit small, pram crude and baby naff
Woman in summer dress with hat and handbag - OK
Man with hands up could be Z
Woman in trouser suit and hair in bun with mobile phone - thin but nice figure
Kid on skate board - not a good sculpt
Kid with bobble hat and holding bear - think it should be part of woman holding hand - bit monkey like pose
Pack Three
Jogger with head phne -OK
Woman with suitcase - thin but nice figure
Fat old bearded bloke with baeball cap hands in pocket - OK
Woman in floor length gown, hair tied up, nice sculpt though another thin one - would fit Victorian/wild west or even a Vampire
Man walking in suit - very nice sculpt could be a Z
Man in suit with brolly and brief case with bowler hat - Dire figure-I will swap head and cut off brolly and case -Z
Little girl with Balloon and Ice cream - ok
Old woman in long skirt and stick - agian at home in wild west - big old bird
Man running in terror - definate panicing survivor, only fault no detail on jacket
Man in wheel chair - could have been good "xavier" but the wheels are poorly cast
Well that it out of thirty figures I would say
12 are very good (the thinner poses I havent seen before from westwind, these would fit with Hasslefree of which there are 6 though a bit taller) (two points)
9 are OK a bit crude in areas but useful poses (1 point)
9 are crappy though you could do something with them - the kids are dire of which there are 4, wheel chair man could be fixed up with some work but pram, fat old woman and bloke with bowler hat are crap. (0 points)
They are a nice rnage but as in pack you get good and bad in each range I will score each pack based on above
Pack 1 - 14 points
Pack 2 - 10 points
Pack 3 - 9 points
These are of course my views and prejudices based on my limited painting and modelling skill
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I meant that if you used the cadian plastics, maybe a scale weapon swap for something more 21st century rather than 41st, lose the IG symbols on the helmet and carpace armour and you could have a very nice delta/seal team in keeping with your GW zeds
The Commander
heh ahh right. i think i get you now. I guess I could combine them with SM Scout legs in order to get that SWAT look.
In terms of the civilians, I've managed to locate the Old Glory Civilians (http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SF%2DCV%2D01) (rather nice ones at that).
The Hasslefree Adventurers are looking especially good. Although the problem is that they are very out of scale with those of the GW Cadians. That can be said for the Foundry SWAT teams as well though..the scale seems inconsistent...GAH! The frustration!
Welcome to the world outside of GW my friend...realistic scales! ;)
(http://shutter12.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/00A/55/FF/80/AE/PzaYKtNQEnIimzltFPIinUrc39DgKra50300.jpg)
You just have to learn to deal with it!
(http://shutter05.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/007/6B/F7/9B/A7/kegJ3lvxo6y3D2i-uhZpR6OtWtRaC1xd01B6.jpg)
(Oh and using the scout legs will make em look even bigger use cadian and gs some delta style knee pads).
Cheers
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I can live with zombies being grotesque!
Think I'll go get me a box of plastic undead :wink: (I need to get the Empire Wizard set for S&S anyway...)
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I can live with zombies being grotesque!
Think I'll go get me a box of plastic undead :wink:
I can agree with you on that mate!
Welcome to the world outside of GW my friend...realistic scales!
WHAT?! You mean oversized hands and weapons aren't the norm?! :lol: I see you have one of those G-dub-ya zeds quietly hiding there in the back row :wink: Looks like I'll definately be picking up some of those Hasslefree Adventurers!
In terms of civilians, its a bit of a shame that they're so hard to find. I guess I could just mix and match civilians? The problem with the copplestone 'future wars' civs are that they're all gun toting :| Although the Assault troops look like good SWAT/Delta stand ins. Some of the Gangster civs don't look to bad as well...
The French civilians from West Wind look pretty good...does anyone know if they size up well to hasslefree?
The good thing about civilians is that I guess you wouldn't need tooo many of them for games...I can't think of any scenarios where you would...
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The good thing about civilians is that I guess you wouldn't need tooo many of them for games...I can't think of any scenarios where you would...
Guess you haven't heard about Worldworks' announcement to make an Urban Mayhem Mall, then :mrgreen:
It needs customers!! Lots of them! It won't be any fun to create panic scenes without customers! :lol:
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any idea about the size of modern Irregular civilian?
(http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/images6/DSCN0472modbig1.jpg)
(http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/images6/DSCN0473mod2big.jpg)
and zombies?
(http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/images6/DSCN0482zombie.jpg)
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I try not to get TOO hooked up on scales ( unless they are WAY out). If you're making a diorama it's an issue, if it's for gaming you can get away with a little artistic licence.
There's plenty of gun-toting civvies on the market aswell as military/SWAT etc. but unarmed modern civilians are hard to come by.
LTD did a nice run down of Super-Figs civilian minis but most of the ones I got ended up as Zombies! :mrgreen:
Regards
PM
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Mega Miniatures does a bunch.
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Mega Miniatures does a bunch.
That are very poorly scuplted unfortuantely.
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I know... but we aren't really spoiled for choices :(
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I just realised that hasslefree has a civilian range :| Sure, they might be not-scooby doo characters, but civs are civs! You can find them in the Non-Com and Civilians Page (http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/range.php?range_id=34). They're around the 28mm range, so they'd fit in perfectly :)
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Late reply but there are some crew/civilians here.
https://sslrelay.com/www.the-baggagetrain.co.uk/sess/utn;jsessionid=1548ff6acc42932/shopdata/index.shopscript