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Title: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 21 May 2012, 06:48:13 PM
From 1972 to 1974 the great Sid Horton published a series of modelling articles in Airfix magazine: "Charge of the Light Brigade" and "Return from Balaclava". He used the then new 54 mm Airfix plastic figure kits - mostly napoleonics - and converted them to new crimean war miniatures. I had a subscription for the magazine (mainly for tank and aircraft modelling) and was hooked to Horton's work from the very first moment. It was my start into the miniature world, and I learned to convert plastic figures with those brilliant articles. The famous "Return from Balaclava" painting by Lady Butler fascinated me and I started to recreate it as a diorama with the Airfix conversions.

Well, one of the very early "started-but-not-finished-projects", I'm sure you know what I mean, but I do still have all of the conversions in a small box; see them below.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_44_24.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_43_37_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_43_36_3.jpg)


Why do I mention this? Because Horton showed me how to convert cheap plastic men and horses with modelling knife, saw, putty and poly cement and to create something entirely new from it, and that's one of my modelling passions till today. So, after getting the Perry WotR-plastics in my hands, I had lots of ideas to convert them a bit ...

First, the horses. They are among the very best sculpted horses I've seen so far in this scale, and you could create lots of variations combining the body halves and heads; this has been counted at Captain Blood's great WotR-WIP-thread already. But could you go further? What about modifying completed horse bodys by cutting them in two parts again, front and back, and exchange those halves? Endless possibilities ...

I started to modify leg positions to get new dynamic galloping poses, a bit more extreme than the standard horse halves would let you, but nonetheless a classic pose:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_43_36_2.jpg)

It's essential to cut the legs by roughly 45° cuts with a fine jewellers saw to get them correctly repositioned, and to support other cuts with polystyrene slices from the parts frames. When the main operations are glued with liquid cement and finished, everything must harden overnight to get a firm basis for further work.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_43_36_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_43_36_0.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_26_4.jpg)

The joints were filled and smoothed over with Magic Sculpt, and new harness and reins added from very thin plasticard.


On to advanced modelling: a hit and falling horse (the falling rider will be a real modelling experience later ...):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_26_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_26_2.jpg)


To get the pose right, two different horse halves were combined and slightly twisted, and the neck was cut two times and bend to the side, supported with plastic slices. The two left over body halves were also combined and another new pose created, this time a bit more relaxed one:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_26_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_25_0.jpg)


I will continue to show my conversions here when finding time, and hopefully the fully painted figures as well.

Have fun!
 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on 21 May 2012, 07:09:26 PM
Now this is a very creative thread, top notch, Michael, you give me ideas :) Keep it going, awesome stuff!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Keith on 21 May 2012, 07:15:37 PM
Oh yes - the true joys of plastic!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on 21 May 2012, 07:50:49 PM
The two left over body halves were also combined and another new pose created, this time a bit more relaxed one:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_26_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_6_41_25_0.jpg)


Brilliant Michael. This one is my favourite. There's a definite need for a more walking / less galloping plastic horse, and the 'fore-and-aft-cut-and-shut' seems to be the solution :D

Looking forward to following your work here.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (now with artillery crew)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 21 May 2012, 08:17:56 PM
Some more pics, this time some foot soldiers converted to fit to an artillery piece; very time consuming to find suitable figures with a potential to convert them to pushing/pulling ones. Hope they are believable?

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_9_05_43.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_9_05_05_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_9_05_05_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_9_05_05_2.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_9_05_05_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_21_05_12_9_05_05_0.jpg)

The gun is a burgundian heavy bombard by Foundry.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: joroas on 21 May 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Does it show my age if I remember doing this at the time?  :'(
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (now with artillery crew)
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on 21 May 2012, 09:01:36 PM
Some more pics, this time some foot soldiers converted to fit to an artillery piece; very time consuming to find suitable figures with a potential to convert them to pushing/pulling ones. Hope they are believable?

yes!! wow!  :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Svennn on 21 May 2012, 09:34:45 PM
Tremendous  :-* :-* As someone who does not even have the patience to build them straight from the sprue I am both jealous and in awe
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Malamute on 21 May 2012, 09:57:36 PM
Wonderful, truly wonderful. :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: painterman on 21 May 2012, 10:05:56 PM
Wow, they are fantastic and make my attempts at changing horse tack looks very basic.
They are great inspiration on what can be done (I too recall lots of plastic conversions in Mil MOd mag in 1970s).
I love the gun crew, they look very convincing and I'm tempted to have a go sometime, using your ideas.

Simon.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Silent Invader on 21 May 2012, 10:21:04 PM
This is another great thread for savouring and referencing !

I too have fond memories of Military Modelling and plastic conversions (though my efforts were far from your standard). Could it be that many of those enjoying the possibilities of Perry Plastics are ..... ahem .... of a certain age?!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Dr DeAth on 21 May 2012, 10:22:15 PM
Very inspiring stuff.

I'll be looking at my 54mm Victrix sprues in a different light from now on :)

Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on 21 May 2012, 10:41:15 PM
Could it be that many of those enjoying the possibilities of Perry Plastics are ..... ahem .... of a certain age?!

Well I certainly am ;)

Love the manhandling gun crew Michael. They look very convincing.
I have built a couple of artillerymen myself today - having just ordered the two Perry metal field pieces, and being less than completely enamoured with the look of one or two of the metal crew...

I must say though (in amongst all this Perry plastic excellence) there are a couple of slightly dodgy components in the Mercenaries box. The figure lifting the tail of your gun has one of them. The shoulder on his right arm is distorted at the top. It's out of proportion. I've tried this arm on a number of figures - and it always looks slightly wrong...  :(
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 21 May 2012, 10:43:16 PM
Very inspirational work  8) 8)

One comment I would make is that I think one or two more of the gun crew should have their heads down, I've moved a gun of a similar size and you do spend a lot of time looking downwards for obstacles etc.

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (now with artillery crew)
Post by: Phil Robinson on 21 May 2012, 11:18:50 PM
Some more pics, this time some foot soldiers converted to fit to an artillery piece; very time consuming to find suitable figures with a potential to convert them to pushing/pulling ones. Hope they are believable?

Hell yes! very natural looking.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: janner on 22 May 2012, 08:12:11 AM
another one to watch  :D
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: valleyboy on 22 May 2012, 08:27:59 AM
There's some brilliant & inspirational stuff going on in Medieval adventures these days
Superb idea with the crew
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Dalauppror on 22 May 2012, 08:34:42 AM
Perfect inspiration !

best regards Michael
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Blackwolf on 22 May 2012, 10:24:35 AM
Lovely work Admiral.

 I too collected the Airfix and MilMod(I guess I am also of an certain age....)  mags,I remember in particular a box diorama that won the Euro Militaire in the late 70s set inside a tavern with a Norman knight and an fighting bear,it had cobwebs the whole bit; the modeller even made his own chainmail. I tried to emulate this,failed......But then came upon a technique using ladies stockings as chainmail, (I was a very naughty young man),very realistic; I converted an Historex Napoleonic French aide de camp into a rider of Rohan,carved his hat into a helm,nasal from plasticard,bamboo spear the whole bit. Sad to say I think I have lost the skill/patience for such things now.
     And those mags were so practical,really taught me a lot.

  Thanks for the nostalgia trip

  Guy
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Faber on 22 May 2012, 11:54:16 AM
brilliant work Michael!  8)
They are absolutely believable. Interesting thread to follow! Keep going!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Arlequín on 22 May 2012, 01:21:37 PM
Yet another excellent thread on these miniatures, which have pushed the boundaries imo. Not bad for 'just plastics'.  ;)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: CyberAlien312 on 22 May 2012, 06:01:20 PM
You did a very nice job on those, well done!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 22 May 2012, 07:36:54 PM
I too have fond memories of Military Modelling and plastic conversions (though my efforts were far from your standard). Could it be that many of those enjoying the possibilities of Perry Plastics are ..... ahem .... of a certain age?!

Oh yes, absolutely ... lol

I must say though (in amongst all this Perry plastic excellence) there are a couple of slightly dodgy components in the Mercenaries box. The figure lifting the tail of your gun has one of them. The shoulder on his right arm is distorted at the top. It's out of proportion. I've tried this arm on a number of figures - and it always looks slightly wrong...  :(

Thanks for that hint, Richard, I wouldn't have noticed it or maybe only when already started painting. I tried to correct the shoulder area by cutting it down a bit and smooth over with sandpaper.

One comment I would make is that I think one or two more of the gun crew should have their heads down, I've moved a gun of a similar size and you do spend a lot of time looking downwards for obstacles etc.

Can imagine that, James, but then you wouldn't see the painted faces, so that's some artistic licence then ...

Lovely work Admiral.

 I too collected the Airfix and MilMod(I guess I am also of an certain age....)  mags,I remember in particular a box diorama that won the Euro Militaire in the late 70s set inside a tavern with a Norman knight and an fighting bear,it had cobwebs the whole bit; the modeller even made his own chainmail. I tried to emulate this,failed......But then came upon a technique using ladies stockings as chainmail, (I was a very naughty young man),very realistic; I converted an Historex Napoleonic French aide de camp into a rider of Rohan,carved his hat into a helm,nasal from plasticard,bamboo spear the whole bit. Sad to say I think I have lost the skill/patience for such things now.
     And those mags were so practical,really taught me a lot.

  Thanks for the nostalgia trip

  Guy

Those were the days, Guy, no internet for research, only libraries (!), Humbrol enamels or oils instead of Acrylics and those monthly mags to drool over ... ;D

Thanks to everybody for your nice words.
 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: oxiana on 22 May 2012, 09:02:39 PM
From 1972 to 1974 the great Sid Horton published a series of modelling articles in Airfix magazine: "Charge of the Light Brigade" and "Return from Balaclava". He used the then new 54 mm Airfix plastic figure kits - mostly napoleonics - and converted them to new crimean war miniatures. I had a subscription for the magazine (mainly for tank and aircraft modelling) and was hooked to Horton's work from the very first moment. It was my start into the miniature world, and I learned to convert plastic figures with those brilliant articles. The famous "Return from Balaclava" painting by Lady Butler fascinated me and I started to recreate it as a diorama with the Airfix conversions.

Brilliant – I can remember being given a pile of those Airfix magazines and being transfixed by those conversions! A few years later the National Army Museum had an amazing exhibition of Lady Butler's paintings – both those you mention were there of course, plus the Scots Greys (or was it the Life Guards?) at Waterloo, Rorke's Drift, and Remnants of an Army, with poor Dr Bryodn limping into Jalalabad after the retreat from Kabul.

But I digress... 

I never tried any of those conversions myself, but I do remember trying to make 'plastic soup' – cut up ends of sprue dissolved in turps or something similar, and then painted on to cover joins. A bit like the new liquid green stuff I guess. Did anyone else ever make that? I just remember making a terrible mess...  lol


Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on 22 May 2012, 09:38:08 PM

Thanks for that hint, Richard, I wouldn't have noticed it or maybe only when already started painting. I tried to correct the shoulder area by cutting it down a bit and smooth over with sandpaper.


Maybe I'm being hyper-critical, but there's definitely something amiss with that shoulder... Just a bit too lumpen  ::)

Airfix magazine and Military Modelling. Gosh yes, I grew up with those in the 70's  :D
The one that sticks in my mind is the Rorke's Drift diorama... Those Hinchliffe 54mm Zulus, remember them? Now that's what Zulus should look like... Huge, gleaming, muscular and deadly... Nobody else's have ever really measured up since...

Anyway. Sorry. Back on topic! Looking forward to giving the fore-and-aft horse conversions a try later this week... Brilliant idea.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Malamute on 23 May 2012, 09:56:26 AM


Airfix magazine and Military Modelling. Gosh yes, I grew up with those in the 70's  :D
The one that sticks in my mind is the Rorke's Drift diorama... Those Hinchliffe 54mm Zulus, remember them? Now that's what Zulus should look like... Huge, gleaming, muscular and deadly... Nobody else's have ever really measured up since...



I still have the Military Modelling two issue article on the Isandlwana diorama using those figures.(The actual model is at the South Wales Borderers museum in Brecon, it looks just as good in the flesh) I also have some of the figures somewhere too, now that would be a great skirmish game.. ;D

Sorry to derail a great thread Admiral, you have certainly stirred some old memories. :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on 23 May 2012, 10:09:11 AM
Great stuff as usual, Admiral!
Really look forward to seeing more in this thread :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Bugsda on 23 May 2012, 10:37:07 AM
Tremendous  :-* :-* As someone who does not even have the patience to build them straight from the sprue I am both jealous and in awe

Me too  :-*

As Ian Asbury once said "plastic fantastic, Napoleon machine gun"  o_o
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Kingscarbine on 23 May 2012, 01:33:20 PM
 :o Excellent conversions. Plastic is much easier to work with than metal and there's no fear of trashing the minis. Those old master modellers are a huge source of inspiration and cool ideas.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: redzed on 23 May 2012, 02:50:59 PM
looking good so far. Historex in 28mm :D
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: War In 15MM on 23 May 2012, 04:51:23 PM
Wonderful work!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Tellus on 23 May 2012, 05:41:23 PM
Superb, Sir!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 23 May 2012, 08:18:26 PM
Quote
Can imagine that, James, but then you wouldn't see the painted faces, so that's some artistic licence then ...

The nothing wrong with a bit of artistic licence  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: DonVoss on 23 May 2012, 09:46:26 PM
Absolutly fantastic... :o

DV
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 23 May 2012, 10:05:49 PM
Sorry to derail a great thread Admiral, you have certainly stirred some old memories. :)

Absolutely no problem, love to debauch in old memories ...

looking good so far. Historex in 28mm :D

Yes, exactly! But Historex had so much more horse halves ...


Two quick pics with new horses:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_23_05_12_10_33_35_1.jpg)

The right one is the new galloping horse from a combination of two front and back horse halves I had left over from a trotting horse conversion (see below). Quite straightforward, only the right foreleg had to be cut from the plastic grass and re-glued to the base.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_23_05_12_10_33_34_0.jpg)

And two new trotting/walking horses. The left one was combined from two different horses, front and back, and the right one is a standard Perry horse with his right foreleg cut two times and re-glued straightened. It has been given some new horse tack also from plasticard. This kind of design is from a medieval picture from around 1460 (in Osprey's Armies of Medieval Burgundy). To get those semicircular notches I used a punch-and-die-set.

Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Clearco on 23 May 2012, 10:56:48 PM
 :o :o  :-*
All your work is being so amazing! Truly inspirational, thank you very much for exciting so much my imagination!  :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Jinx on 24 May 2012, 06:20:25 AM
Just outstanding work. :-* :-* Ah those were the days no liquid poly for me but god damn awful stuff called banana oil  :-X :o
The gun crew are exceptional :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 17 June 2012, 07:06:55 PM
Not much time recently, so an update at least after nearly three weeks with the results of a few nightly painting hours ...

First two modified horses, painting finished but no varnish and groundwork:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_44_50_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_44_50_0.jpg)

One has a new front plate from plasticard and added horse tack, the other one got a modified breast plate and was partly barded with rolled out Magic Sculp. The buckles on the modified breast plate came out of the Perry's MMAA-box, you only have to look carefully to find them ... ;D

The first of the burgundian artillery crew also got some paint:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_43_55_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_43_55_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_43_55_2.jpg)

And a modified man-at-arms with new left arm after carving the original one away; only silver areas painted, WIP.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_43_54_1.jpg)

Lat but not least I built some artillery boxes from plasticard for the gun vignettes. They will show some wood grain when painted, and the open one will show some cannon shots and powder bags.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/93_17_06_12_7_43_54_0.jpg)

Will paint some more horses and riders next, and try to finish painting the complete artillery crew.
 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: painterman on 17 June 2012, 07:39:16 PM
Admiral,
Those are wonderful - love the part-braded horse (Can't find the bosses on the Peytral from a quick look at the sprue) and the draped rear half - a great idea really well executed.
Alos very impressed with the artillery boxes from plasticard.
Great stuff.
Simon.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Captain Blood on 17 June 2012, 08:19:40 PM
Beautiful paintwork, Michael.
Lovely work on the ammunition boxes too.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Sirolf on 17 June 2012, 09:11:14 PM
I think the buckles are the bucklers from the mercenary box, correct me if I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 17 June 2012, 09:13:56 PM
Very nice  :-*

How have you done the armour on the maa? Is it metallic spray that has been buffed?

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 17 June 2012, 10:56:52 PM
I think the buckles are the bucklers from the mercenary box, correct me if I'm wrong...

Yes, you're wrong. Have a look at the command sprue from the mercenary box. There are those bundles of arrows, and on some of the arrow's ends the Renedra guys included a small air chamber - forming a buckle! But only enough for one horse ...

Very nice  :-*
How have you done the armour on the maa? Is it metallic spray that has been buffed?
cheers
James

Those MAA were proud people and looked after their armour, so it was real shiny. On the other hand I want to get enough contrast to see all the plates and details on those small minatures. So, first step was to paint on a full coat of shiny silver. I used old Warzone silver but could also have used something like Foundry's Spearpoint 35C. Let dry thoroughly. Then - now comes the heresy - a coat of Army Painter Quickshade Dark Tone. This brings on a light shading of all the recesses and has the added benefit of sealing the mini with high gloss varnish. After that I painted on some more darker shadows with a mixture of silver and black and then some real highlights with pure silver. All in all it works quite fast and you don't have to paint all the details manually. Yes, I'm a bit lazy ...
 8)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Captain Blood on 17 June 2012, 11:02:26 PM
Then - now comes the heresy - a coat of Army Painter Quickshade Dark Tone.

Aaaaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

;)

(I might have to try some... )
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Ray Rivers on 18 June 2012, 12:55:49 AM
 :-*

Nice job!

The horses are absolutely awesome!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Andym on 18 June 2012, 12:38:35 PM
Very cool work!  8) Your really getting some great dynamic poses there!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: redzed on 18 June 2012, 02:30:38 PM
excellent painting :-*

nice to see the horseshoes painted as well 8)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: ARKOUDAKI on 18 June 2012, 03:02:05 PM
 :-* :-* :-*Another great inspirational thread. Yes, I too remember those early days when if you wanted it you had to make it yourself. Now with all these wonderful plastics the joys of Airfix Multipose and/or Historex figure kits comes to 28mm scale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Sir Tobi on 18 June 2012, 07:44:07 PM
Aaaaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

;)

(I might have to try some... )

Don't do it, is is very hazardous and can cause cancer. I used to use it until a friend of mine who is a chemist told me that given these ingredients he wouldn't use it even under a gas-evacuation system. A pitty, the effects work well.  :'(

Apart from that: Great work admiral!  :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Bugsda on 18 June 2012, 10:14:26 PM
Don't do it, is is very hazardous and can cause cancer. I used to use it until a friend of mine who is a chemist told me that given these ingredients he wouldn't use it even under a gas-evacuation system. A pitty, the effects work well.  :'(

Apart from that: Great work admiral!  :)

Ahh! They said that about fags and asbestos but I'm still here  lol

Superb work Admiral  :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 18 June 2012, 11:14:14 PM
Ahh! They said that about fags and asbestos but I'm still here  lol

Rugby fags? Didn't know you were a public school boy  lol

Thanks for the reply Admiral. At first reading it seems quite involved but a second look shows it's quite simple really  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: 15th Panzer on 19 June 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Inspirational modelling and painting skills. The talent that abounds on these forums never ceases to amaze me. Looking forward to seeing more soon. Cheers.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: oxiana on 19 June 2012, 01:25:48 PM
Truly fine modelling and paint jobs. What a versatile range these Perry plastics are turning out to be – not just for the out-of-the-box options, but for the inspiration they're providing.

Of course, we're going to have to see these fighting it out on the table-top with the good Captain's minis...  lol

Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Captain Blood on 19 June 2012, 01:38:42 PM

Of course, we're going to have to see these fighting it out on the table-top with the good Captain's minis...  lol


I would like that  :)
Maybe one day, eh Michael?  ;)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Monty on 19 June 2012, 02:09:55 PM
Hi Admiral,

absoletely breathtaking...  :o

Each and every of those men is a piece of art by itself. I hope to see them in reality soon and maybe on the battlefield one day.
Proceed like that and let us participate in your progress!   :)

Thanks and cheers
Stefan
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: einarolafson on 19 June 2012, 04:54:42 PM
Very nice work!! You are very talented!! I love the converted horses!!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 20 June 2012, 06:29:32 PM
Hi Admiral,
absoletely breathtaking...  :o
Each and every of those men is a piece of art by itself. I hpe to see them in reality soon and maybe on the battlefield one day.
Proceed like that and let us participate in your progress!   :)
Thanks and cheers
Stefan

Hi Stefan,

great to have you here! Very impressing blog of yours with some nice tutorials. And thanks for your and all other's nice comments!

 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Christian on 21 June 2012, 04:53:06 AM
Michael, it never ceases to amaze me how you can elevate this hobby of ours into something really sublime... Thanks for sharing all your wonderful conversions and artistry throughout the years, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is left inspired by your work.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: janner on 21 June 2012, 08:51:02 AM
Fabulous  ;D
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Dalauppror on 21 June 2012, 10:16:00 AM
Stunning paint work !

Best regards Michael
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Faber on 27 June 2012, 02:45:52 PM
Stunning job until now Michael!  :o
Looking at your paintjob (and previous ones too! In particular your oldschool-giants collection) I'm seriously wondering: why did you ask me to paint for you? was it only the bargain price? lol
Keep going mate!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 27 June 2012, 06:57:39 PM
Stunning job until now Michael!  :o
Looking at your paintjob (and previous ones too! In particular your oldschool-giants collection) I'm seriously wondering: why did you ask me to paint for you? was it only the bargain price? lol
Keep going mate!

Not really. If you have a very large lead pile there are so many miniatures you would like to paint, but you can't do all the work yourself as you wouldn't live for around 200 years, won't you? Soooo, when I see someone painting nicely AND offering a paint job AND is not too expensive, I can't resist.  :D

Well yes, "not too expensive" is a bit sophisticated ...
 lol

Hey, what about your other paint jobs? Anything to show?
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New painting and modelling 17.06.)
Post by: Faber on 27 June 2012, 08:01:01 PM
Not really. If you have a very large lead pile there are so many miniatures you would like to paint, but you can't do all the work yourself as you wouldn't live for around 200 years, won't you? Soooo, when I see someone painting nicely AND offering a paint job AND is not too expensive, I can't resist.  :D

Well yes, "not too expensive" is a bit sophisticated ...
 lol

Hey, what about your other paint jobs? Anything to show?


 lol I know, some italian clients of mine thinks exactly in the same way :) It was only to say that your paintjob is bloody cool! :)
In this period I'm studying hard (as always in these last 5 years  :'( ) and so I've done only a few new minis. A couple more skaven for Adam (Thebinmann) and a GW Konrad von Carnstein for my fellow Calopide. I've converted some reinassance imperial zombies too...:D I'll send you a link when I'll have take some pics mate :)
BTW this project of yours is really brilliant and I'm eagerly awaiting for update so keep going! :) And...add one more to the list: I'd really like to see your perry's minis alltogheter with Captain's ones. :D
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (New conversion 30.05.2013)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 30 May 2013, 10:28:35 PM
Well, it's been a while, but the potential of the WotR-plastics seems to be endless, and as I've been so inspired this afternoon, I want to show my new creation in a proper place. I know it's fantasy, but I think the moderator won't mind to see it here, especially as it should be something never tried before (as far as I know).  8) The painted version will appear in the Fantasy board once it's finished.

Ok, here comes the armoured centaur:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/93_30_05_13_11_12_05_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/93_30_05_13_11_12_05_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/93_30_05_13_11_12_05_2.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/93_30_05_13_11_12_05_1.jpg)


A couple of weeks ago I browsed through a John Howe artbooks and admired his plate armour sketches like the following one; I knew immediately that I must try to convert a WotR-knight into a plate armoured centaur. Hope you like it ...

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/93_30_05_13_11_12_05_0.jpg)

 :)

Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Sangennaru on 30 May 2013, 10:50:34 PM
That's CRAZY, dude. :D

EDIT: I'll do one as well. XD
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Captain Blood on 30 May 2013, 10:51:44 PM
Ingenious Michael  lol
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 30 May 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Rather different but it works  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Hubbynz on 31 May 2013, 02:47:29 AM
Awesome idea, looks great.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Jevenkah on 31 May 2013, 03:07:08 AM
That is brilliant! What a great conversion!

Looking forward to seeing him painted,
Jevenkah
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on 31 May 2013, 07:53:59 AM
The armoured centaur is very impressive - well done :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: NurgleHH on 31 May 2013, 08:02:38 AM
Great Work. I think I will work more with plastic after your work
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: painterman on 31 May 2013, 11:09:48 AM
Great creative idea and very well done (so we'll allow it to reside on a historical board!!).  ;)
Simon.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Bugsda on 31 May 2013, 11:19:42 AM
That's just flat out genius  8)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: B.E.A.R on 01 June 2013, 03:03:16 AM
Great conversion work! I too find inspiration from John Howe's artwork.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Faber on 14 June 2013, 01:23:34 PM
Whoa! Splendid conversion.  :-*
I have to say that I've seen a couple of very similar conversion with fantasy gw plastic bits, but with those perry's the result is far better. Lookin forward to see it painted Michael!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: redzed on 15 June 2013, 04:21:18 AM
That's just flat out genius  8)
this lol
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: New conversion 30.05.2013 p.5)
Post by: Neldoreth on 21 June 2013, 06:18:14 PM
Excellent stuff! Kudos.

n.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Siege fighters 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 08 February 2015, 06:43:29 PM
Time to revive this slightly aged thread, and I'll do this with a new long-termed project in mind, the siege of Neuss by Charles the Bold and his burgundian army in 1474/75. The plan is to have a skirmish level convention game ready to play in about 2 to 3 years, depending on how much help will be generated by the club mates.

Anyway, lots of long range combatants will be needed for both sides, so bowmen, crossbowmen, handgunners, small, medium and heavy artillery will be mustered. Additionally siege equipment, bulwarks, protective palisade walls, mantlets and large pavises will be modelled. Lots of work to do, so here comes the first set of iron mantlets:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_56_30_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_56_30_3.jpg)


They are documented in medieval manuscripts and lovely illustrated in the Funcken-book about medieval arms and armour, still one of the best illustrated sources available. They are cut from 1 mm sheet styrene, with supports from the Perry lances and some smaller details added. Simple constructs. The large one will protect two handgunners, one firing through the slit, the other reloading his dangerous gun.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_56_30_2.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_56_30_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_56_30_0.jpg)


The smaller ones are for crossbowmen, one shooting through the opening, the other one reloading his crossbow.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_54_25_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_54_25_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_54_25_2.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_54_25_1.jpg)


Last, but not least a single crossbowman reloading and protected by a pavise on his back, who will support the above group. That's the first batch finished and ready for paint, not bad for a days work, I think. Painting will be delayed for a couple of weeks as I want to build some more troops first.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/93_08_02_15_6_54_25_0.jpg)


 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on 08 February 2015, 06:58:27 PM
I like these - well done :-*.

I would like to copy them if you don't mind.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Captain Blood on 08 February 2015, 07:00:23 PM
Ohhh - lovely!  :)

Great to see this thread moving again Michael.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 08 February 2015, 09:20:26 PM
Aha! Good to see a return to this  8)

Will the pavises have heraldry/design painted on the front or will they be bare metal?

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: warburton on 08 February 2015, 09:29:42 PM
Excellent work!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 08 February 2015, 09:57:11 PM
Will the pavises have heraldry/design painted on the front or will they be bare metal?
cheers
James

Both. I'll try to paint some of the heraldry ones with heavy weathering, stains and paint chipping. Can't imagine they would stand up the daily siege conditions perfectly painted more than a couple of days. The siege of Neuss lasted 11 months ...
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 08 February 2015, 10:46:58 PM
Looking forward to seeing them  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Andym on 09 February 2015, 07:29:04 AM
Brill Admiral! :-* :-*  :-*

I learn something new everytime I view one of your threads!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Monty on 09 February 2015, 07:42:31 AM
Very promising and an excellent step forward in the project.    :-*

I'm looking forward to see the shields painted and I feel pushed to get something done with the pile of WotR-plactics myself...   ;)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: pocoloco on 09 February 2015, 08:07:13 AM
Holy .... !!!  :o

So glad that this thread revives, happy to find it and see all those conversions and paintjobs.

Absolutely wonderful and inspiring stuff, will keenly follow all the treats you show us.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: knoxville on 09 February 2015, 08:18:45 AM
Fantastic stuff Michael! I recently read that some pavises had spikes on the front, so they would create obstacles for any pursuers in case the shooters decided to leave the battlefield in a hurry :) I haven't found any pictures of those, though.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: painterman on 09 February 2015, 10:19:56 PM
Those are wonderful pavises Michel - Irregular Minis did some ages ago, based on the same Funcken images I think, but your modelling quality on those is top notch!
Neuss siege is  great project to do.
Looking forward to more.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on 10 February 2015, 02:16:57 PM
Amazing progress, Michael, as usual I'm in awe of your skills!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: AlyMorrison on 23 February 2015, 11:43:03 AM
 Lovely work Michael :o

And you have those nice new Perry light horse to look forward to :P

All the best. Aly
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: tomrommel1 on 23 February 2015, 03:10:00 PM
very nice indeed
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: Relaunch 08.02.2015 p.6)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 23 February 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Lovely work Michael :o
And you have those nice new Perry light horse to look forward to :P
All the best. Aly

Yes, you quite right, Aly. Now that I've seen them in the flesh I'm even more excited ... I have the strong impression we'll see some superbly painted examples shortly here in the forum, painted by a well known member.  ;)

Good to meet you all again, looking forward to the next chance!

Cheers,

Michael
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 27.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 27 June 2015, 08:03:48 PM
Four months later. The Lead Painter's League season 9 is over, and shortly before the end of this "It's alive"-thread I will post some pics from the "siege of Neuss"-related LPL-entries.

First the finished artillery group no.1 with all the converted figures presented on page 1. As I had shown one of the crew painted already, two new miniatures were added. Here's the complet scene followed by some shots from different angles and without any terrain:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_59_50_2.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_57_20_0.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_56_35_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_56_34_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_56_34_2.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_56_34_1.jpg)


I experimented a bit with my new snapshot camera, so please excuse the minor photo quality in relation to the entry picture. More pics following tomorrow.

 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 27.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: AlyMorrison on 27 June 2015, 11:15:39 PM
As they say...
Good things come to those that wait...

And this is indeed a good thing... :o

All the best. Aly
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 27.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Captain Blood on 28 June 2015, 10:33:32 AM
Superb  :-*
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 28 June 2015, 05:41:49 PM
The next one are artillery group no. 2 and some knights. The artillery set is from the fine Grenadier Fantasy Warriors range sculpted by Marc Copplestone:

http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Fighting_Men_%28Fantasy_Warriors%29 (http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Fighting_Men_%28Fantasy_Warriors%29)

When Marc sculpted the Fighting Men subrange, he did a real burgundian army secretly. You will find all of the burgundian standard types of fighters including crossbows and handgunners. I really like the dynamic poses of the crew, and as I have a second set I will use them again or as part of conversions.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_59_50_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_56_34_0.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_54_34_4.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_54_34_3.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_54_34_2.jpg)


The knights are Dietrich von Elben and his followers, a vassal of Heinrich von Hessen, the great leader of the Neuss defences. Dietrich died before Neuss. I designed the banner in Corel Draw, printed it b/w on copy paper, painted and shaded it and cut it out.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_59_50_0.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_54_34_1.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/22/93_27_06_15_7_54_34_0.jpg)

 :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 28 June 2015, 06:49:36 PM
Most excellent  :-* :-*

Those Copplestone figures seem to fit, do they scale well with the Perrys?

cheers

James
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Captain Blood on 28 June 2015, 07:35:04 PM
Those artillerymen are excellent. I wonder if they're still available. A lot of the Grenadier figures seem to have become available from other companies over the years...

And the plastics are beautifully done. A real treat. I see 'Shiva' over on Steve Dean's forum is also working on a whole collection for the siege of Neuss. Is he part of your group, Michael, or is that just a co-incidence?
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: NurgleHH on 28 June 2015, 08:30:53 PM
Richard, you can find them here: http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?cName=fantasy-2528mm-humans

Mirliton bought some parts of grenadier, but they don't sell them under the name grenadier.

@Michael: Großartig!!!!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Helen on 28 June 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Lovely work especially the basing on the artillery sets. The 1st Burgundian artillery piece set is beautiful.

All the best,

Helen
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Admiral Benbow on 28 June 2015, 09:13:25 PM
And the plastics are beautifully done. A real treat. I see 'Shiva' over on Steve Dean's forum is also working on a whole collection for the siege of Neuss. Is he part of your group, Michael, or is that just a co-incidence?

It's just a co-incidence, Richard, but we have already had some contact via email with him in the meantime. He is "Xulutec" also and has a nice site here:

http://www.xulutec.blogspot.de/ (http://www.xulutec.blogspot.de/)


Most excellent  :-* :-*
Those Copplestone figures seem to fit, do they scale well with the Perrys?
cheers James

The Copplestone ones are a bit more compact and a fraction smaller; but the Perry ones are all such slender types. The armoured knight holding the pole axe in the upper left of picture 1 of artillery group 1 above is a Copplestone one. For me it will work well enough.  :)
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Atheling on 29 June 2015, 07:16:29 AM
Those artillerymen are excellent. I wonder if they're still available. A lot of the Grenadier figures seem to have become available from other companies over the years...

And the plastics are beautifully done. A real treat. I see 'Shiva' over on Steve Dean's forum is also working on a whole collection for the siege of Neuss. Is he part of your group, Michael, or is that just a co-incidence?

Those artillerymen are excellent. I wonder if they're still available. A lot of the Grenadier figures seem to have become available from other companies over the years...

Vexillia have them now Richard:

http://vexillia.com/mirliton/shop28_humans.html

Darrell.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: von Lucky on 29 June 2015, 09:09:43 AM
What a lovely thread, some really excellent conversion and painting.
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: Captain Blood on 29 June 2015, 02:59:23 PM
Vexillia have them now Richard:

http://vexillia.com/mirliton/shop28_humans.html

Thanks Darrell.
Interesting to note that the prices in euros from Mirliton are very much cheaper than the prices in pounds from Vexilia... (especially considering the ever improving value of the pound against the euro - currently eu 1.41 to the pound... )
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: knoxville on 31 July 2015, 04:04:25 PM
Gorgeous stuff Michael!
Title: Re: Modelling the Perry Plastics (UPDATE: lots of pics 28.06.2015 p.7)
Post by: redzed on 31 July 2015, 07:26:29 PM
great stuff all round, but those metallics are lush :-*