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Miniatures Adventure => Interwar => Topic started by: Ignatieff on 14 June 2012, 07:47:31 PM
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Does anyone have any pictorial sources for this conflict, particularly for the afghan side. I have the Foundry small war books, and Robson's 'Crisis on the Frontier', but I could do with a lot more visual sources. FYI, I'm planning a new range of figures, so we will all benefit.
Thanks in advance
Steve
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Does anyone have any pictorial sources for this conflict, particularly for the afghan side. I have the Foundry small war books, and Robson's 'Crisis on the Frontier', but I could do with a lot more visual sources. FYI, I'm planning a new range of figures, so we will all benefit.
Thanks in advance
Steve
Marry me!
"The North West Frontier - British India and Afghanistan, A Pictorial History 1839-1947" Michael Barthorp
"The Pathan Unarmed: Opposition & Memory in the North West Frontier" Mukulika Banerjee
"The Indian Army" Boris Mollo
I have more,, but these were at arms reach.
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Put me down for at least 20. When can I get them? lol
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Marry me!
"The North West Frontier - British India and Afghanistan, A Pictorial History 1839-1947" Michael Barthorp
"The Pathan Unarmed: Opposition & Memory in the North West Frontier" Mukulika Banerjee
"The Indian Army" Boris Mollo
I have more,, but these were at arms reach.
Hammers. I thank you
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Put me down for at least 20. When can I get them? lol
Early days. Patience.
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Add another to the pre-order list.
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Early days. Patience.
Patience is not one of my virtues :(
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A new range you say? :D
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"The Savage Border, the story of the North-West Frontier" by Jules Steward has a good bit about the various tribes (Wazirs, Mohmands, Afridis...) and their allegiances.
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Are the figures available yet? lol
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This is all I got, a couple of pics from the peace negotiations...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Colonial/Afghan.jpg)
Johnny Pathan and Thomas Atkins
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Colonial/afghanbigwigs.jpg)
"Afghan peace delegates reach the British lines."
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tremendous! Were you there? ;)
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Absolutely. I'm the cove with the live cockerel perching on his hat.
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Seriously... second photo, third from the left... that old fella is one troublemaker, I'm sure this is him in the SCW...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y2DUiFwXwKc/T9tEwMM2ZrI/AAAAAAAAKZc/ATzE90CfVHE/s512/regulares2.jpg)
:?
;)
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By God sir, You're right!
I think we need to set him up a timeline on his Facebook page!
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Absolutely. I'm the cove with the live cockerel perching on his hat.
What/who do with think he is???
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Excellent! 8)
If you do marry Hammers I don't mind being your "bit on the side" ;)
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Excellent! 8)
If you do marry Hammers I don't mind being your "bit on the side" ;)
Hey, free love!!!
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Hmmm. Intriguing... (The new range that is, not you marrying Hammers ;))
Are you going to reveal who you've got lined up to sculpt for you?
(Unless otherwise specified, we will just assume it's Mr Hicks, since he personally accounts for 90% of the output of the wargames figure industry at present... ;D)
Personally, I don't think the Perrys' Pathans for Foundry have ever been bettered for goings-on up the Khyber, although I appreciate most tribesmen had managed to get more modern firearms by the time of the Third Afghan War...
If you are going to produce tribal types, and can make them anywhere near as good as those, I will be giving you my money... :)
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Hey, free love!!!
Oh, you philandering cad!
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...goings-on up the Khyber...
*taps his nose* If you know what he means...
Seriously,I would not mind a few with SMLEs or a heavy machine gun.
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Seriously,I would not mind a few with SMLEs or a heavy machine gun.
Me too! Finally some period figures to fight the Woodbine Brits I painted last year.
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Personally, I don't think the Perrys' Pathans for Foundry have ever been bettered for goings-on up the Khyber, although I appreciate most tribesmen had managed to get more modern firearms by the time of the Third Afghan War...
Not to mention the fact that the Brits were fighting the Afghan regular army in the Third Afghan War. Just using 1870s tribesmen on their own really doesn't cut it, I'm afraid.
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What/who do with think he is???
Well, his uniform looks the same cut as the chap to the left, so he's certianly an officer(?) What ranks did the Afghans use?
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New range ;D decided on sculptor yet?
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New range ;D decided on sculptor yet?
I have, but I'm sworn to secrecy, otherwise something very unpleasant will happen to me. 'up the khyber' will have nothing on it!
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Well, his uniform looks the same cut as the chap to the left, so he's certianly an officer(?) What ranks did the Afghans use?
I'm guessing the size of their accoutrements had something to do with it. ;)
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Not to mention the fact that the Brits were fighting the Afghan regular army in the Third Afghan War. Just using 1870s tribesmen on their own really doesn't cut it, I'm afraid.
Wasn't suggesting it did Plynkester... Just saying I don't think those Perry Pathans have ever been bettered, and a few new ones to a similar standard would be a welcome addition to my North-West Frontier collection :)
You're right of course, that contrary to the expectations of Amanullah and his commanders, the tribal lashkars didn't weigh in against the British even when they had the opportunity. Not to any significant extent anyway. That said there were certainly actions where tribesmen took on the British - blocking Dyer's brigade's relief of Thal for instance. There were also repeated mutinies by various locally recruited militias and constabularies in the Khyber and Waziristan territories - and these were essentially tribesmen who turned on their employers.
So if there's a new range in the offing, it would seem remiss not to include at least a small number of tribal Pathans ;)
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It will have tribal Pathans (infantry and cavalry), regular afghans (inf, cav and artillerymen + officers) and a few 'character' figures.....enough, or my tongue will cut out!
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It will have tribal Pathans (infantry and cavalry), regular afghans (inf, cav and artillerymen + officers) and a few 'character' figures.....enough, or my tongue will cut out!
I would certainly relish some more Pathan tribal types, armed with more up to date weaponry. I can use them for the campaigns in the 1930s, which means I can use fun toys like Hawker Hinds, Crossleys and light tanks. Who doesn't want to play a game that features the Fakir of Ipi, who resides in a place called Arsalkot?
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I would certainly relish some more Pathan tribal types, armed with more up to date weaponry. I can use them for the campaigns in the 1930s, which means I can use fun toys like Hawker Hinds, Crossleys and light tanks. Who doesn't want to play a game that features the Fakir of Ipi, who resides in a place called Arsalkot?
Who he? tell me more?
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It will have tribal Pathans (infantry and cavalry), regular afghans (inf, cav and artillerymen + officers) and a few 'character' figures.....
Ooooh - excellent news! :)
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Who he? tell me more?
A most troublesome gentleman. Villain of the piece (or hero, depending on your pov) in the 1936 Waziristan uprising. That's the campaign that features in John Masters' Bugles and a Tiger, the classic NWF memoir. It's usually the source of those photos you see of light tanks and Crossleys/India pattern Rolls Royces you see in books etc.
The gentleman in question was never caught by the British, he kept causing trouble through to independence. He got a Times' obit on his death. Of course mispronunciation of Faqir and Ipi no doubt gave British servicemen a rare chuckle during the campaign as would have Arsalkot, the location where he hid out in a cave.
I reckon a figure of him would be a cracker. Most imposing looking chap.
Incidentally, there's a couple of good articles on frontier tactics on this site, one of which talks a little on the '36 campaign.
http://www.king-emperor.com/Articles-Frontier-a3.htm
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I know of two rather interesting books on the Waziristan theatre, which I read last summer when still in Hull and doing my NWF-ish Brits:
Operations in Waziristan, 1919-1920 / compiled by the General Staff, Army headquarters, India.
Uckfield : Naval & Military Press, 2004.
Warren, Alan: Waziristan, the Faqir of Ipi, and the Indian Army : the North West Frontier Revolt of 1936-37.
Oxford : Oxford University Press, 2000.
The first is a collection of offical military reports, including maps and interesting sociographic data on the Waziristan tribesmen (including their equipment and tactics). The second is more of a general history, and I cannot comment on its accuracy as I was looking for an overview to get me started, but it is an interesting read and appears to be reasonably reliably researched.
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A most troublesome gentleman. Villain of the piece (or hero, depending on your pov) in the 1936 Waziristan uprising. That's the campaign that features in John Masters' Bugles and a Tiger, the classic NWF memoir. It's usually the source of those photos you see of light tanks and Crossleys/India pattern Rolls Royces you see in books etc.
The gentleman in question was never caught by the British, he kept causing trouble through to independence. He got a Times' obit on his death. Of course mispronunciation of Faqir and Ipi no doubt gave British servicemen a rare chuckle during the campaign as would have Arsalkot, the location where he hid out in a cave.
I reckon a figure of him would be a cracker. Most imposing looking chap.
Incidentally, there's a couple of good articles on frontier tactics on this site, one of which talks a little on the '36 campaign.
http://www.king-emperor.com/Articles-Frontier-a3.htm
put a couple of bullet belts round him and you've got a right bad 'un!
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The general impression you get of the North West Frontier throughout colonial history is that some Faqir was always in revolt somewhere.
;)
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The general impression you get of the North West Frontier throughout colonial history is that some Faqir was always in revolt somewhere.
;)
Whereas in the Middle East it was more often a case of someone being in close proximity to a distant, man-made, body of water.The far canal, as opposed to the nearer one.
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Over the weekend I had a rummage through the Internet Archive and the US Army's CARL Digital Library, both great sources of pre-WW2 military manuals and other publications.
Here's the British government's 1925 Manual of Operation on the North-West Frontier of India http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p4013coll7/id/778/rec/19 (http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p4013coll7/id/778/rec/19)
Operations in Waziristan 1919-1920 http://archive.org/details/operationsinwa00indi (http://archive.org/details/operationsinwa00indi) - this is not the history of the Third Afghan War, but the official record of parallel operations in Waziristan around the same time. I haven't read it, but it could be interesting.
The Official History of the Third Afghan War is available in print (http://www.naval-military-press.com/third-afghan-war-1919-official-account.html) from Naval & Military Press, but doesn't seem to be online anywhere. Pity, but what does and doesn't get scanned and made available seems to be pretty random.
I'm doing up a longer and more complete list as a blogpost, which I'll hopefully get done sometime this week, but figured a few links now would help!
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It will have tribal Pathans (infantry and cavalry), regular afghans (inf, cav and artillerymen + officers) and a few 'character' figures.....enough, or my tongue will cut out!
What about 'Highlanders' in tablecloth kilts and pith helmets? Maybe they were out of fashion by 1919...
(http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=2586&pictureid=38149)
My man at Ospreys calls it a 'Gilbert & Sullivan appearance' which I find condescending. If I had a personal guard I would dress them up in the very same. Or in tutus and upturned terracotta pots for helmets.
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Mr Ignatieff,
I have 'Crisis on the Frontier' (Robson) and the Third Afghan War Official Account reprint from N&M Press and happy to loan them if you've not seen them. And somewhere in the house, currently eluding me, is an old North-West Frontier map for the period or very near to it - cloth backed and in a slip case. I'll have to get Mrs McDoom to go a-searchin' - she's good at that :)
Still contemplating a stroll to Bytham this Saturday? If so, could see you there ;)
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Mr Ignatieff,
I have 'Crisis on the Frontier' (Robson) and the Third Afghan War Official Account reprint from N&M Press and happy to loan them if you've not seen them. And somewhere in the house, currently eluding me, is an old North-West Frontier map for the period or very near to it - cloth backed and in a slip case. I'll have to get Mrs McDoom to go a-searchin' - she's good at that :)
Still contemplating a stroll to Bytham this Saturday? If so, could see you there ;)
V kind McDoom! I've got both those books, but I'd love to see the map. Will be there about 10. Can only stay the day though
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Well, found the map, after a long hard scrobble in the bookshelves.
There tomorrow evening, so will hopefully RV @ some point post-10:00hrs on the Saturday.
PS - the trophy wife is armed, often dangerous, so will distract with a ruse involving chocolate buttons and cute fluffy bunny rabbits!
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Has anyone looked at Tiger Miniatures Afghan Regular Inf and Cav.
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Has anyone looked at Tiger Miniatures Afghan Regular Inf and Cav.
They are rubbish. Awful.
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Don't be so circumspect, say what you mean... lol
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We will do better than that!
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Don't be so circumspect, say what you mean... lol
I think, at least in this particular instance, that Hammers should be credited for his considerable self restraint and admired for his very English use of understatement.
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Hammers is a connoisseur in these things, and long ago adopted a policy of calling a spade a spade. Much to be admired in my view, given the excessive politeness of so many wargamers about ranges / products which are manifestly not up to snuff.
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Hammers is a connoisseur in these things, and long ago adopted a policy of calling a spade a spade. Much to be admired in my view, given the excessive politeness of so many wargamers about ranges / products which are manifestly not up to snuff.
I second that...
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Thank you. I was going to say that "if my children had come out looking like Tiger Miniature Afghans I would throttle them in their cradles out of mercy". While a powerful parable I thought better of it since it is a bit silly, not true and quite frankly rather tasteless.
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On this topic I wish one of the appropriate companies would make plastic Afghans irregulars with optional firearms (jezzails, Martini-Henrry, Enfileds). Beside sniping from hills, most accounts from the Afghan Wars talks about masses of Afghans coming swarming towards forts and cantonments. This is not always easy to achieve with just the current Foundry selection.
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Having wiped the froth off myself after hearing this range may be on it's way here is what I would like :
1. Pathan irregulars. Armed to the teeth. Lean, cruel and wolf like. Mixture of modern (enfields and nagants) and obsolete (martini henry's). Infantry and cavalry
2. Afghan militia. Gormless, but steady in defence. infantry only
3. Basmachis. Infantry and cavalry.
Eye theng yew.
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There are Fugures from Askari & Castaway Arts also. They mix quite nicely with Foundry, a little taller but mix well. Oh yes
Ratnik does some very nice Basmachis figures too, already armed for this period. Excuse me I was in error that is Studio Siberia not Ratnik that does the Basmachis.
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Thank you. I was going to say that "if my children had come out looking like Tiger Miniature Afghans I would throttle them in their cradles out of mercy". While a powerful parable I thought better of it since it is a bit silly, not true and quite frankly rather tasteless.
Had my children come out like Tiger miniatures I would have accused my wife of having had an affair with a Bolivian hunchback. Fortunately my children are quite beautiful, more at the Perry end of the sculpting scale. I lay no claim to this wonderful outcome, it's entirely due to their mother. My daughter's delight in flatulence as a source of humour is about my only influence near as I can tell.
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If I had children made of a tin/lead alloy, I'd be deeply worried even if they looked like Tom Meier sculpts.
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Second the plaintive cry for plastic Afghans. I doubt it will be realised in my lifetime but who knows.
Actually, come to tink of it plastic ones already exist but they're 54mm/ 1/32 soft plastic.
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If I had children made of a tin/lead alloy, I'd be deeply worried even if they looked like Tom Meier sculpts.
I would make them easier to sell on ebay though. :D
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There are Fugures from Askari & Castaway Arts also. They mix quite nicely with Foundry, a little taller but mix well. Oh yes Ratnik does some very nice Basmachis figures too, already armed for this period.
I find that Castaway can look nice but not consistently so. The horsemen are the worst looking like tapir cavalry.
it's not Ratnik you are talking about though, is it? Its cuprum's Siberia Basmachi you are talking about, I think. They look very good.
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I find that Castaway can look nice but not consistently so. The horsemen are the worst looking like tapir cavalry.
it's not Ratnik you are talking about though, is it? Its cuprum's Siberia Basmachi you are talking about, I think. They look very good.
Quite so. There are some wonderful Castway figures but the NWF tribal types, of which I have a selection, are not the greatest. The 1880s British Infantry on the other hand are really very nice.
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Second the plaintive cry for plastic Afghans. I doubt it will be realised in my lifetime but who knows.
Well if the Perrys managed plastic ansar, you wouldn't have thought plastic Pathans would be too much of a stretch. And given that the ansar are their only plastic colonial set so far, perhaps plastic Pathans would be a logical range extension? Esp as a lot of the metals in their Sudan range are more or less suitable for the NWF ::)
However, I probably shouldn't be speculating on such things in the midst of Ignatieff's thread about his own forthcoming NWF range, which I'm very much looking forward to :)
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However, I probably shouldn't be speculating on such things in the midst of Ignatieff's thread about his own forthcoming NWF range, which I'm very much looking forward to :)
One always need hero figures. I am sure I will buy whatever he produces.
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Is there such a thing as too many anything when we're talking good-looking figures. :?
Incidentally, I was sculpted by Bob Murch. ;)
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Incidentally, I was sculpted by Bob Murch. ;)
Slightly puffed up and cartoonish then? ;)
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Slightly puffed up and cartoonish then? ;)
Gender ambiguity is also often mention in association with Pulp Figures
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lol
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/577_03_07_12_10_12_01_0.png)
Sorry Ignatieff... Going to stop derailing your thread now...
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lol
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/10/577_03_07_12_10_12_01_0.png)
Sorry Ignatieff... Going to stop derailing your thread now...
Please, dont. Its what makes this place special.
As regards 'charging afghans attacking forts', what kind of poses would work best chaps?
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Charging and/or attacking.
lol
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lol You're not far off actually... I don't have that hat.
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Please, dont. Its what makes this place special.
Or at least the members lol
As regards 'charging afghans attacking forts', what kind of poses would work best chaps?
I think a couple with the rifles over their heads running madly/uselessly could work but the general 'attack' pose would work but with a bit more forward motion if that makes sense ???
cheers
James
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Gotcha!
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Another good book, or better excellent, is
the Frontier Scouts by Charles Chevenix Trench.
With lot of great pictures.
For the new range I' m on that list , I'll buy tens of them.
Piero
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I would heartily welcome any new figures for the North West Frontier. In fact I'd give someone else's right arm for them.
I was talking to Empress about 12 months ago and at that time they were planning a range for Chitral. Also whilst I'm not usually a fan Old Glory do passable Pathans including some armed with magazine rifles - a few odd poses but nowhere near as off as many of their ranges (the Indian regulars appear to use the same old dollies though).
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Another good book, or better excellent, is
the Frontier Scouts by Charles Chevenix Trench.
With lot of great pictures.
Excellent book, seconded.
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Hi All,
Well to put you all out of your misery, especially Ignatieff who has been desperate to say something, we can announce that we are working on this range with Steve.
Paul Hicks will be the sculpter.
First up will be a unit of tribesman, many of which would be suitable for earlier campaigns.
Figures will start to be worked on in August so should be available October / November.
Lots of plans for this and other linked ranges in what will be the beginnings of a range called 'Jazz Age Imperialism" covering many other Interwar conflicts.
Kind regards,
Paul and the Empress team :)
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I like all of these things :D
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Lots of plans for this and other linked ranges in what will be the beginnings of a range called 'Jazz Age Imperialism" covering many other Interwar conflicts.
Will it be compulsory to do 'jazz hands' when we discuss this? It's not important, but I don't want to stand out as the 'uncool kid' at shows...
;)
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No but it will be essential to wear a beret and a black turtleneck when discussing it.
Excellent news on the range.
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Sounds wonderful! Can't wait.
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Ooh - more stuff that I'll just HAVE to have. Can't wait.
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Ooh, you better live up to that promise or I shall sulk.
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Fabulous news about the new range.
If anyone is interested in the look of the Third Afghan War, we'll be putting on a demo game at Fiasco (subject to table availability!).
The game will show a punitive expeditionary Imperial force advancing on an Afghan hill fort.
As the Empress Miniatures range isn't available yet, I'm using Foundry tribesmen and Gripping Beast Turks for the Afghan regulars.
The Foundry figures, despite being so old, are great.
For the regulars, some of the Gripping Beast figures are being used as they come - one pose is in a skull cap and a few are in a battered looking fez, all others have had their heads swapped for Turkish officer heads in lambskin caps. The kit may not be perfect, but it'll give the right look of Afghan regulars.
Very much looking forward to adding the Empress figures later in the year. Can't wait! :)
Cheers
Chris
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We had an enjoyable game at Fiasco today. The Imperial forces advanced via the two available crossing points over the deep gorge separating them from the Afghan positions. Each of the two columns was initially checked by mixed forces of regular Afghan army and Pathan tribesmen. The Afghans put up a determined resistance, but the Imperial motorised elements proved unstoppable: the fort fell to armoured cars of the Imperial forces!
A few photos -
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040062.jpg)
A view down the table before the shooting starts
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040057.jpg)
Imperial air support
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040069.jpg)
Crossley armoured car (a little late for the 3rd Afghan War, but it looks the part!)
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040064.jpg)
Ghurkas advance on the first line of Afghan opposition
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040086.jpg)
Afghan regular artillery
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040071.jpg)
Afghan irregular artillery
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/reiverdance/Fiasco%202012/P1040103.jpg)
Imperial armour enters the fort! The Afghan commander surrenders his remaining forces...
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Can't see the pics :'( :'( :'(
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Can't see the pics :'( :'( :'(
Sorry Cap'n. Trying to fix...
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Reiverdance, you have to put the url of the picture itself, not its folder, between the image tags. :)
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Ah, there they are :-*
Magnificent, and worth the short delay. What a spectacular looking table :o
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Fantastic. It painfully brings my own neglected project back to my mind.
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Looks great, you've really captured the feel of mountainous country.
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Love the look of the game.
Gaming at it's best.
Lucky were thoses who got to play.
Great looking fort. :-*
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Magnificent!
Have just seen the last of the first batch of Afghans from Empress. Ooooooh yes!
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Magnificent!
Have just seen the last of the first batch of Afghan from Empress. Ooooooh yes!
Are these posted anywhere yet?
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8)
Only in Ignatieff's inbox for the time being.
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Oh you tease... :-[
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Oh you tease... :-[
Always leave them wanting more.......
soon, soon...they need a bit of work.
S
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Pictures will be up tonight, as soon as I get home........ ;D
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Sounds like...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Pictures will be up tonight, as soon as I get home........ ;D
come on come on come on .. :D
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Off-topic, but has anyone seen the new Second Afghan War figures from Ironclad?
Not many of them yet, but the figures look good. The tribesmen are fairly timeless and might be ok for Third War too.
http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/shop/category_39/Second-Afghan-war.html?sessid=XgLDmNipTHBbrnRu9Qz8nbkWJvcq3g46DiTWG8xgSRVP2DsjlJL1N8CxDYTwkglr&shop_param=cid%3D%26
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Pictures will be up tonight, as soon as I get home........ ;D
Home yet?
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Home yet?
Yup!
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And here are the first 12!
Sculpted by that supremely talented Mr Hicks, and available now from Empress.
Next up will be more infantry, heavy weapons crews and cavalry
Allah Ak-bar! (mines a double)
Thank you to everyone on the forum for your helpful source suggestions. If there are any particular types you would like to see in the next batch, let me know...
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/AFG01.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/AFG03.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/AFG02.jpg)
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Off-topic, but has anyone seen the new Second Afghan War figures from Ironclad?
Not many of them yet, but the figures look good. The tribesmen are fairly timeless and might be ok for Third War too.
http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/shop/category_39/Second-Afghan-war.html?sessid=XgLDmNipTHBbrnRu9Qz8nbkWJvcq3g46DiTWG8xgSRVP2DsjlJL1N8CxDYTwkglr&shop_param=cid%3D%26
and they just announced "we are offering a 10% discount on your shopping basket this week, simply enter the code WARFARE2012 at the checkout"
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And here are the first 12!
Outstanding! :o :o :o :D
Any Brits in the pipeline?
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Wow!
I don´t think I will make that Ironclad order after all.... :o :o :o :o :o
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Wow Steve :-* :-* Those are something special!
LB
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Thank you to everyone on the forum for your helpful source suggestions. If there are any particular types you would like to see in the next batch, let me know...
They are wonderful, Igny!
I'd like to see the mad mullah
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:-*
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Superb and cleverly some of those will fit with the modern Afghans.
I'd like to see the Fakir of Ipi, he of Arsal Kot, scourge of the NW Frontier.
Should you finally get around to doing Indian Army, please do a range head variants. Not just Sikh, Muslim like all the others but Baluchis, Jats, Baluchis, Dogras etc. Many mixed battalions require them and converting pagrees is a painful task. I'll wager you'll end up with more sales this way as people will want groups of diifrent types and no doubt others will buy just to convert other figures for earlier periods.
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If there are any particular types you would like to see in the next batch, let me know...
Some with earlier weapons?
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They've come out beautifully, and should be fit to keep the frontier ablaze for a period of over six decades.
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Oh dear I really didn't want to get into another period :'(
The are imense! :-*
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I feel that I should point out that these figures are an interesting collaboration with Paul Hicks sculpting the figures and Tony Boustead producing the weapons. Sorry to get technical but the effect is incrediable, if I do say so myself, and worth pointing out. I'll get back in my box now ;)
Paul
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Well worth the wait :-*
cheers
James
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How brilliant. Well done to all concerned. I will certainly be painting a few of these :)
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They all look great! Perfect for a interwar man who would be king back of beyond game.
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And here are the first 12!
Sculpted by that supremely talented Mr Hicks, and available now from Empress.
Next up will be more infantry, heavy weapons crews and cavalry
Allah Ak-bar! (mines a double)
Thank you to everyone on the forum for your helpful source suggestions. If there are any particular types you would like to see in the next batch, let me know...
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/AFG01.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/AFG03.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/AFG02.jpg)
Oh my giddy aunt ...
Fabulous, just fabulous [applause]
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wonderful stuff
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They are brilliant! 8)
So who's this Hicks geezer, has he done anything else? ;)
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They are brilliant! 8)
So who's this Hicks geezer, has he done anything else? ;)
Don't know but he will be a great sculptor of figures one day :), I like how he manages to get the subliminal effect of "buy me" on them.
Now have I still got that Handley-Page in the loft somewhere.
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Don't know but he will be a great sculptor of figures one day :), I like how he manages to get the subliminal effect of "buy me" on them.
Now have I still got that Handley-Page in the loft somewhere.
You have a Handley-Page!!!! Tell us more
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You have a Handley-Page!!!! Tell us more
Your loft is like the Tardis, Phil! Who really knows what's up there....
Sorry, but figures do nothing for me. Not a patch on the Foundry ones IMHO. (Ducks now)
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Great set of miniatures! They will definitely complement my Foundry collection ...
:-*
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You have a Handley-Page!!!! Tell us more
If I still have it, its only the Airfix 1/72 one, which is available again
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AX06007
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Hi all,
These are now in the shop and of course will be available at Warfare. First come first served though so pre orders are advised . ;)
Paul
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If I still have it, its only the Airfix 1/72 one, which is available again
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AX06007
Thanks. I thought it was a 1/56 you had, which meant you had a loft as big as Henley aerodrome... I have a DH10 in 1/56 and its a monster!
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Thanks. I thought it was a 1/56 you had, which meant you had a loft as big as Henley aerodrome... I have a DH10 in 1/56 and its a monster!
Yup, I'd certainly know if had a 1/48th one in the loft :)
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Outstanding! :o :o :o :D
Any Brits in the pipeline?
Hope so, Mr. Copplestone's ones are jolly nice but are truly giants among men :)
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The figures are superb. I look forward to seeing the rest of the range
Cheers
Chris
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Holy crap! These were well worth the wait!!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
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F**k me you spend a week at sea and come back and find Empress have pulled out all the stops. Not only fantastic Hicksy Afghan/Pathans but also some excellent scratch building material. Has Paul Eglestone become possessed by Steve Job's spirt? Can't wait to see some Brits, perhapse even some Matelots ;)
Regards
Jim
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F**k me you spend a week at sea and come back and find Empress have pulled out all the stops. Not only fantastic Hicksy Afghan/Pathans but also some excellent scratch building material. Has Paul Eglestone become possessed by Steve Job's spirt? Can't wait to see some Brits, perhapse even some Matelots ;)
Regards
Jim
Brilliant :) :) :)
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Might be of intrest:
http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1595 (http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1595)
Regards
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Might be of intrest…
Most definitely! Good man.
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Might be of intrest:
http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1595 (http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1595)
Regards
Although I have a long running game board project of this era, I have never come across these images. They are great!
A certain image in particular peaked my interest:
(http://www.imagesofasia.com/html/pakistan/images/large/abdul-qayyum.jpg)
Have never before seen images of people from this area in fez.
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That pic is "Fez-tastic!" ;D
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Great references!
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Although I have a long running game board project of this era, I have never come across these images. They are great!
A certain image in particular peaked my interest:
(http://www.imagesofasia.com/html/pakistan/images/large/abdul-qayyum.jpg)
Have never before seen images of people from this area in fez.
... and you probably still haven't. The 'Karachi' stamp is merely where the photos were developed. I'll put money on it being taken in Egypt, while in transit to India through the Suez Canal.
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Indeed, vis the traditional RAF song from the period.
There's bags of batchy airmen, way down in the sunny Sudan,
Where everyone is batchy and so's the old man,
There's bags and bags of bullshit, saluting on the square,
And when we're not saluting we're up in the fucking air.
We're leaving Khartoum by the light of the moon,
We're sailing by night and by day,
We've just passed Kasfereit and we've fuck all to eat,
'Cause we've thrown all our rations away.
Shire, shire, Somersetshire,
The skipper looks on her with pride,
He'd have a blue fit if he saw anyone shit,
On the side of the Somersetshire.
This is my story, this is my song,
I've been in this air force too fucking long,
So roll on the Rodney, the Nelson, Renown,
They can't sink the Hood 'cause the fuckers gone down,
Tooralay, Tooralay,
Oh we'll fuck all the SPs who come down our way.
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I reckon a kicking backbeat and a few donks here and there would work wonders for it. Stick on Queen Farida as a b side and we've got a hit!
;)
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'Twas sung to me at a tender age along with 'We're flying Flying Fortresses at Forty Thousand Feet', a rather ribald version of 'Bless 'em All' and other assorted RAF ditties. It stuck.
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Just seen this thread. Lovely looking figures, and ones that I may get.
However, at £7 for 4 figures they priced similarly to Foundry, and a lot more than North Star, but no one complains about the price. Funny that...
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Any news on any additions to this range - Afghan War or any other "Jazz Age" conflicts?
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Any news on any additions to this range - Afghan War or any other "Jazz Age" conflicts?
That.
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The sculpter is just starting work on a very large number of figures covering personalities. infantry, support weapons, cavalry, etc. Quite a lot of packs. :)
These will be released over the next couple of months or very soon after.
The aim is to complete the Afghan - Pathan - tribesmen ASAP. Then we move onto other Jazz Age stuff. Probably Brits, possibly regular Afghan forces. time will tell. ;)
Paul
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Paul,
Any thoughts as to how you will overcome the pith helmet conundrum; Woolsey pattern or Bombay bowler; separate heads?
Regards
Jim
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Nope.
Not got that far yet. :D
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The Fakir of Ipi, as featured on the pages previously, will be making an appearance.......
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And if anyone has any detail on Baluchi horse furniture that would be of help. I've got the one line drawing from 'Risings and rebellions' (the Herbert book), but a few more wouldnt go amiss. thanks in advance
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I shall have a look.
I have among other things the wonderfully exciting full twelve volume illustrated tomes of "Stirrups of the Afridis" by Sir Eyehave Strange-Hobbies. :)
Seriously , I think I do have some books which may be of help.
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I think the Wolseley was far more prevalent than the Bombay Bowler up until the late 1930s.
That said It would make sense to make head variants. If you did a body in greyback shirt, '08 webbing, boots and hosetops, with suitable head variants it would do for most British and Indian infantry from about 1922 on. A similar figure but wearing sandals would cover pretty much everyone else, including Gurkhas, all you would need would be separate kukris. I think there is a crying need for different Indian heads, not just the 'Muslim head' and Sikh head so beloved of other manufacturers. More scope to cover characters and support weapons if you stick to a basic figure type and provide the DIY components to provide variety.
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I shall have a look.
I have among other things the wonderfully exciting full twelve volume illustrated tomes of "Stirrups of the Afridis" by Sir Eyehave Strange-Hobbies. :)
Seriously , I think I do have some books which may be of help.
Marvellous man!
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No luck I am mafraid. There are a pitiful few images of what you are asking for in the books I have. The images of pathans are few as it is and when they are captured on film they tend to be lined up for a group shot, scowling uneasily at the camera as they are waiting to be sentenced to something harsh. The horses, if any at all are present, tend to be in the background.
Buth then I came to think about the Central Asian buzkashi (a more vicious form of polo) which lead me to this book:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41lDRhWnf2L._SL500_.jpg)
If you can get hold of that (it aint cheap from whart I can tell) I am sure you'll find what you need.
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Thanks mate!
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The next three packs to be releasesd are.........roll of the drums;
Two packs of infantry. These are split into one pack of bolt action rifles and one of Martini - Henry so usable for earlier conflicts. The figures have seperate heads and so many variations can be achieved.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG05_zps70a547ec.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG04_zpsde11800a.jpg)
The next pack is tribesmen using a captured Stokes Mortar. The anti tank man is using a popular weapon of the time a petrol bomb. In this case a Camp Coffee bottle. Those of you that are old enough to remember the original labels recently replaced will hopefully get the joke. ;)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG06_zps3fc75f6e.jpg)
There will be more releases in this range over the next few weeks which will include command groups, cavalry and more support. Then we will start to plan the Brits. You can see these at Salute and if you want to buy there we suggest that you pre order. :)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Very nice indeed and the Camp Coffee molotov gag is sublime!
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Well done. I was worried I was the only one that would understand the hidden joke ;)
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I missed the possibility of it being a Camp Coffee bottle, I had assumed it was a Bombay Sapphire gin bottle.
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Then we will start to plan the Brits.
Excellent! :D
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Gorgeous.
Hammers... Are you sure you don't want me to add these to your Salute shopping list? ;)
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They are rather nice :-*
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I missed the possibility of it being a Camp Coffee bottle, I had assumed it was a Bombay Sapphire gin bottle.
Everybody knows Bombay Saphire was in invented in the 1980's! In which case it must be a Johnnie Walker Black label bottle. I'll have to have a selection of period drinks done for these methinks!
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Everybody knows Bombay Saphire was in invented in the 1980's! In which case it must be a Johnnie Walker Black label bottle. I'll have to have a selection of period drinks done for these methinks!
Johnny Walker? Good God man! Would you really expect any self respecting tribesman to drink blended whisky? Perish the thought. An Islay malt or be buggered.
Can't be gin, the bottle is the wrong shape for Gordons and also for Tanqueray, which has that nice mid waist grip to it, perfect for a molotov.
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Johnny Walker? Good God man! Would you really expect any self respecting tribesman to drink blended whisky? Perish the thought. An Islay malt or be buggered.
Can't be gin, the bottle is the wrong shape for Gordons and also for Tanqueray, which has that nice mid waist grip to it, perfect for a molotov.
All good points, well made.
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Well I have found Johnny Walker bottles mixed in with Japanese sake and beer bottles in Japanese interwar trash pits on the island of Saipan why not in the Hindu-Kush, beyond connoisseurship and taste that is?
LB
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Gorgeous.
Hammers... Are you sure you don't want me to add these to your Salute shopping list? ;)
Hmmm...
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Well I have found Johnny Walker bottles mixed in with Japanese sake and beer bottles in Japanese interwar trash pits on the island of Saipan why not in the Hindu-Kush, beyond connoisseurship and taste that is?
LB
Johnnie Walker was 'THE' whisky in the interwar period, so I'm not surprised.(mind you, not a patch on 18year old Glenlivet, which I am sipping at the moment....)
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A JW bottle in the hands of a fanatic muslim?
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According to family friends who've travelled in Iran and elsewhere, a lot of nominal Muslims like a drink too, just tucked away in private...
Back on topic, those are great figures! I think my small but expanding force of Brits in tropical kit need some NWF/3rd Afghan War experience sometime fairly soon.
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A JW bottle in the hands of a fanatic muslim?
Saudi Arabia remains one of its biggest export markets (via Beirut and the Gulf States) to this day, so somebody is drinking it......
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The separate heads are a great idea! I have been after some for my Afghan "moderns".
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I am so glad the bottle has created so much fuss :)
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The breweries and distilleries built in Rawalpindi, NWF Province and Balochistan by the Brits in the 1860s to slake the thirst of the Tommies are still in operation, despite the fact that it is illegal for Muslims to purchase alcohol in Pakistan. They churn out various beers, brandies, vodkas, gins and whiskies. Until quite recently they were banned from exporting it too, so like the man said, somebody there drinks it.
My old college form tutor Mr. Qureshi, whilst projecting a muslim face to the world had something of a fondness for red wine on the QT (the decidedly Church of England R.E. master ratted him out to me). The continued prosperity of the Murree brewery in Rawalpindi would suggest this is more common than one would imagine.
Looking forward to seeing your Brits. :)
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This has really got my interest! Hmmm 3rd Afghan war you say.... 8)
Christopher
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Saudi Arabia remains one of its biggest export markets (via Beirut and the Gulf States) to this day, so somebody is drinking it......
When I lived in the Kingdom, around 20 years ago, JW Black Label was suprisingly available.
(At least to the ex-Pat community) ;)
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Some more,
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG07_02_zps415be54a.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG07_02_zps415be54a.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG08_zps61e22f9d.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG08_zps61e22f9d.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG10_zps1fdb7474.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG10_zps1fdb7474.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG09_zps3205844b.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG09_zps3205844b.jpg.html)
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Marvellous stuff! :-* :-* :-*
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Very tempting....
Any chance of a unit deal for the Afghans like you have with the other ranges?
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The cavalry are superb I'll be buying them. :-*
My first wife's step dad was an Egyptian Muslim and he could piss it up with the best of his Catholic paddy inlaws, especially around Christmas lol He also liked a punt on the gee gees ::)
Life's bloody complicated when people don't stick to their stereotypes lol
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Some more,
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG07_02_zps415be54a.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG07_02_zps415be54a.jpg.html)
Bit of Russian surplus kit smuggled over the northern Afghan border there, it looks like?
Also, +1 for the idea of a unit deal of some sort as the range expands!
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Mmm ... i can see my Afghans expanding into this period
Lovely models
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Also, +1 for the idea of a unit deal of some sort as the range expands!
I sent a question to Empress and got the answer:
"Hi,
We have no plans to do that."
:( :( :(
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Some more packs of Afghans which include two cavalry packs all with seperate heads and a senior command packs of a mounted Faquir and standard bearer. All have seperate heads apart from the Faqir.
More details on the Empress site.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG13b_zpsa2d5fd66.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG13b_zpsa2d5fd66.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/AFG11_zps9c77dfaa.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/AFG11_zps9c77dfaa.jpg.html)
..........and before you ask we are still researching and designing the Brits. ;)
Regards,
Paul
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Gorgeous.
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..........and before you ask we are still researching and designing the Brits. ;)
Well... good luck with that, you have my sympathy... :?
Nevertheless this is shaping up to be a fantastic range, top job! :)
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More Bhurpas! Excellent news!
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Lurverly!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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Oooooh, you sure are making this hard to resist!
Lovely sculpts!
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Khyber Rifles and Khassadar militias, please, please!!!
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1329/nj9l.jpg)
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I've been unlucky with this search, but has anyone compared these highlanders with the copplestone Sikhs? (Not the British)
EDIT: Anyone?