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Miniatures Adventure => Weird Wars => Topic started by: Predatorpt on July 09, 2012, 04:17:01 PM
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Now that I'm finally going to have some WWWII forces, here's some minis I would like to see. Sorry if it sounds like a rant :P
1) 28mm dead Grey Aliens. Do you know these little guys from Tengu Models?
(http://www.tengumodels.co.uk/USERIMAGES/TENGU-MODELS-UX01.JPG)
I would like to have some dead/dying/wounded ones for my GI/Nazis/Soviets/etc to rescue/defend. And some warrior forms, like the Greys from the now defunct Griffin Miniatures line, or the Thrade from 3d-miniatures.com
2) 1/48 Nazi UFOs both intact or crashed - I know that it could be kitbashed with a frisbee or something similar and I know about all those cool (but hard to find) models made by: Testors, Atlantis, Pegasus and Monogram (I'm still sorry for not buying of of these - I think Steve F was selling one). But I would like to see some specific Nazi ones (Haunebu and such) for my Allied forces to recover or steal ;) Agis made something similar but in 15mm:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=16077.0
3) Nazi Combat Mages - I saw a similar conversion in the SOTR forum (but I can't find it now). German officer with robes but with an armoured vest/helmet. Lots of runes in the robes and throwing fireballs from both hands. A cool figure to assassinate or protect ;)
4) A Tesla medium infantry support weapon - imagine crossing a M2 .50 Browning machine gun with this:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1252743_99120105012_IGCdnHvyWpnteammain_445x319.jpg)
Add some Tesla Coils and you get a Tesla support weapon. Heavy to carry (all that energy has to come from batteries) and very effective against enemy infantry and light mechs/vehicles/monsters ;)
5) A not-Wolfenstein Übersoldat - Big, armored (with some gothic style armour), wielding twin MG-42 (Hauptgefreiter idea and description)
So..these are just some of my ideas for minis. Has anyone tried to kitbash something similar? What are your own ideas?
If you could get enough people interested in similar minis, maybe we could hire a scupltor and make some minis for us? Let's call it a "LAF kind-of Indiegogo/Kickstarter" ... ;)
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German grenadier with a panzerfaust 250
German grenadiers with X7 ATGM (Sagger-config)
US Jumbo Bazooka Team
Us M18 Recoilless Rifle Team
UK/Commonwealth Vickers .50cal team
US UDT Teams (SEAL types)
German Combat Swimmers (SEAL types)
USMC Space Raider
LW Raumjagers
Axis & Allied supers (military looking)
Here are my M3 Sniperscope Americans
http://www.weirdwwii.com/2011/12/on-my-wip-table-german-anti-walker.html
Just off the top of my head,
Brian
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Thanks Brian! Some nice suggestions there.
Anyone else want to share more ideas?
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Since I mentioned the UFOs...here's what inspired me:
(http://www.artthibo.com/images/IMG_2188.JPG)
(http://www.artthibo.com/images/IMG_2205.JPG)
You can see the full battle report here:
http://westwindproductions.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=3255.0
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German and US stuff is easy enough, but what about the rest? UK can be what, druids? Then I was thinking dragon/lancaster bombers. I acutually sculpted some up in 3mm scale for a polish company, Im not sure if they have been released yet?
But finnish yetis? Australian dream time units?
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I was going to mention UK combat mages/druids but I swear I saw some in the AE-WW2 line of minis from Darkson Designs. But I must confess I never thought about Dragon bombers, Finnish yetis and Dream time units. :o
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Sadly, "Dream Time" units would be mostly animal spirits, so not terribly exciting really. The idea of using Australian myths could work, but Bunyips and Yowies would probably just function like Werewolves in most WWWII games.
Looking at Australian history, having "Blacktrackers" and maybe some kind of jungle fighting rules would probably be more 'correct', although some kind of bodging rules may be good too (just look up the drip-rifle).
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But finnish yetis?
No yetis in Finland or even in Finnish folklore really, sorry :P
I can think of two reasonable options for Finnish weird war stuff: "ghost" snipers (the Russians may even well have really thought the Kukushkas were a bit supernatural) and magical singers @ Väinämöinen.
The latter would mostly affect the ability of the enemy to advance by beduffling them, at least seeming altering the very landscape around them - one of the best known feats of Väinamöinen is to have sung his adverasary into a bog and he managed similar stuff several times in Kalevala and the poems that inspired it. All just by plucking at his kantele and singing :o
The former would pick them off one by one, possibly without ever giving up their location and even if found, refusing to die when shot at with ordinary bullets - and when shot with blessed/silver/psychic/magical/whathaveyou "speshul bullet" the only thing that is found at the foot of the tree is a dead and completely black... cuckoo o_o
I grant that neither would probably make a very interesting miniature, depending on how ghostly you'd like to make the Kukushka. But I do believe very few minis carrying a kantele exist so one would need to be made for that at any rate...
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As to the weird war stuff I'd like to see made that I don't think is widely available is British Red Coat heads of ca. 1870's on but with gasmasks/respirators. But that's maybe more @ Victorian Scifi I suppose.
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As to the weird war stuff I'd like to see made that I don't think is widely available is British Red Coat heads of ca. 1870's on but with gasmasks/respirators. But that's maybe more @ Victorian Scifi I suppose.
Yep that's more Victorian than WWW2, but thanks for the Finnish lore ideas :o
I've got a couple of world mythology books that I need to check out.
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You should note that the ghost snipers would definitely not be the good guys if described as per the above scenario. The completely black magical critter that refuses to die when assailed with regular weapons refers to Satanic forces at play in the (newer) Finnish folklore. But then again, the Finns were allied with Germans in WWII (part of the time) so given the Nazis almost invariably use black magic in WWWII scenarios, it's pretty much a given their allies have certain type of "contacts" as well lol
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I would like to have some dead/dying/wounded ones for my GI/Nazis/Soviets/etc to rescue/defend.
Something like this..? (technically zombie greys)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii125/_koboldmage_/DSCN3018.jpg)
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I always imagined the Tesla coil gun to be a more man portable gun, like a WW2 flame thrower. But one man lugging the batteries and a cable connecting that to the other guy shooting the gun. A bit like the Germans using their light machine guns supported on the shoulder of the guy in front and they have to move in pairs.
I have already done my own set up out of odds and ends but some American G.I Robots. Bit like the Iron Giant from the Disney movies, but man sized Armed with Thommy Guns and BAR's to bring the fight to Jerry.
Some of the Crimson skies Aircraft done up in 1/48th scale for my SOTR table as an objective and Some done up in 1/72 so i can have some dogfight with WW2 planes.
Some Hammer Horror inspired British monster hunters and monsters pressed into service for His Majesties fighting forces abroad.
Just some ideas off the top of my head before i go off to bed. I am sure i will think of more tomorrow to add to the list.
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Something like this..? (technically zombie greys)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii125/_koboldmage_/DSCN3018.jpg)
Ok, scratch one from my list. Those little guys will do fine. Are they going to be available soon?
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I always imagined the Tesla coil gun to be a more man portable gun, like a WW2 flame thrower. But one man lugging the batteries and a cable connecting that to the other guy shooting the gun. A bit like the Germans using their light machine guns supported on the shoulder of the guy in front and they have to move in pairs.
I have already done my own set up out of odds and ends but some American G.I Robots. Bit like the Iron Giant from the Disney movies, but man sized Armed with Thommy Guns and BAR's to bring the fight to Jerry.
Some of the Crimson skies Aircraft done up in 1/48th scale for my SOTR table as an objective and Some done up in 1/72 so i can have some dogfight with WW2 planes.
Some Hammer Horror inspired British monster hunters and monsters pressed into service for His Majesties fighting forces abroad.
Just some ideas off the top of my head before i go off to bed. I am sure i will think of more tomorrow to add to the list.
Lots of great ideas there, specially the tesla gun! I'm doing some giant GI robots (not mechs) using Iron Man toys.
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Okk, well finnish moomin trolls with guns then!
You can get german goblins from somewhere? But then other stuff too, some egyptian stuff would be pretty easy, North Africa being a theater of war. Then you have things like the Irish folk lore, Finn and stuff. Some warp spasm figures in allied uniforms would be cool, as would firbolgs and the like.
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The Japanese were working on some microwave weapons ("Death Rays") during the war so that could be army specific for them. Vehicle mounted and carriage-mounted most likley? I already got my Jap Ninja commandos and some Komainu (Lion-Dogs) as support for my IJN landing troops. Also Heroclix did a huge Fing Fang Foom toy that would be perfect for any Jap force. You can get them for about $50 on the ol' eBay if you lucky. A good price for such a huge and great looking toy.
Since this is Weird WWII you could bring South America and Mexico into the fray and bringing all the Aztec, Incan and Mayan stuff to a WWII-era conflict. Just watch "Q: The Winged Serpent" and that could come into play with a South American belligerent.
Just some ideas,
Brian
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The Japanese were working on some microwave weapons ("Death Rays") during the war so that could be army specific for them. Vehicle mounted and carriage-mounted most likley?...
Do you have more information about this? :o
I'm trying to find some illustrations from the french comic "Block 109", with something else I would like to see made - German helis.
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I've seen some but don't remember where. It was really like a huge piece of machinery on the back of a truck with a kind of dish. Maybe those crazy electricity SPGs you see in the Godzilla flicks is what they were going for?
Brian
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Do you have more information about this? :o
It might be the brief description on this archived page (the original was on Geocities...)
http://web.archive.org/web/20091027015047/http://uk.geocities.com/sadakichi09/army/IJSW.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20091027015047/http://uk.geocities.com/sadakichi09/army/IJSW.htm)
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I'd like to see a not-Wolfenstein Übersoldat. Big, armored, wielding twin MG-42... :D
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@Jakar Nilson - thanks for the link. I'll have to research the names of thos japanese weapons.
@Hauptgefreiter - For those Übersoldat, what about the Dreamforge Sturmtruppen? ;)
http://www.dreamforge-games.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=66_67&zenid=b06ccabe48c31294afc9d148a74bab9c
As for the Block 109 German Heli:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1O9EA1qviNI/TPZ5U9J9emI/AAAAAAAAA4w/FYFQAAjy_eU/s1600/Garde1.jpg - original version
The pic, with all Nazi symbols removed:
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/predatorpt/Forums/Garde1.jpg)
Another shot:
http://storage.canalblog.com/83/02/266592/61894517.jpg
IMHO, that helicopter is great. Simple but hi-tech enough for WW2. What do you guys think?
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No, I'd use the Dreamforge stuff as regular troops. They're not enough "Über" ;)
I was rather thinking about a Hasslefree Jotun with some gothic style armour and beefed-up guns...
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For helicopters, Special Hobby do a good FA-223 Drache in 1/48, which makes for a very passable small transport heli, while the Japanese 'Death Ray', being an offshoot of radar tech (initially many nations, UK included, thought that radar could be used as a 'death ray', with technicians during early tests finding that the equipment had the side effect of heating the tea in the tin cups that they'd left near the gear) any radar dish - like model could be used to represent it.
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No, I'd use the Dreamforge stuff as regular troops. They're not enough "Über" ;)
I was rather thinking about a Hasslefree Jotun with some gothic style armour and beefed-up guns...
The Jotun is just too "Resident Evil" for me. So maybe it's something else to add to my list - a not-Wolfenstein Übersoldat.
@Ballardian - Some time ago I thought about buying one of those models, but then I read this review:
http://www.swannysmodels.com/Fa223.html
I still hope that Trumpeter (those guys make lots of Paper Panzers - E100, E75) decides to do some German helis in plastic.
And yes, the UK should have some microwave weapons too ;)
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This link may be of some use on Secret Japanese projects:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_and_special_weapons_in_Showa_Japan
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Those little guys will do fine. Are they going to be available soon?
Hopefully have them out next month.
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@werwulf - thanks for that link, didn't find it the first time I searched the wiki :o
@blackstone - glad to know that. Are they going to be sold in packs?
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Yeah most likely be a pack but if you just needed one or two as objectives that wouldn't be a problem.
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More info on Japanese tanks
For Amphibious tanks and APC they started work on the Type 4 Ka-Tsu troop carrier:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/04-AmphibiousTanks/Type4-KaTsu.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/04-AmphibiousTanks/Type4-KaTsu.htm)
This was also used to carry torpedo's to attack landing craft and ships.
Also in the same class the Type 3 Ka-Chi, big brother to the Ka-mi:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/04-AmphibiousTanks/Type3-KaChi.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/04-AmphibiousTanks/Type3-KaChi.htm)
And the even Bigger brother the To-Ku:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/04-AmphibiousTanks/Type5-ToKu.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/04-AmphibiousTanks/Type5-ToKu.htm)
As for Army tanks they were all advanced versions of the Chi-ha Medium tank.
The Chi-nu had a bigger welded turret mounting a 75mm gun, contrary to the info from this site:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/02-MediumTanks/Type3/Chi-Nu.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/02-MediumTanks/Type3/Chi-Nu.htm)
There was a newer version of the Chi-nu that used a long barrel 75mm
The chi-to was a bigger version of the Chi-Nu with a 75mm gun:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/02-MediumTanks/Type4/Chi-To.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/02-MediumTanks/Type4/Chi-To.htm)
And then the big brother the Chi-Ri with a main 75mm long and a 37mm in the main body:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/02-MediumTanks/Type5/Chi-Ri.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/02-MediumTanks/Type5/Chi-Ri.htm)
There are also Self Propels AT and Artillery pieces like the elephant the elephant look a like Ho-Ri:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/05-SPG/Ho-Ri/Ho-Ri.htm (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/3-Japan/05-SPG/Ho-Ri/Ho-Ri.htm)
My reference shows the Ho-Ri looking more like the elephant that this picture.
The Ho-Ri II look very much like a Jagdtiger with a 105mm gun
Also another The Ka-To looked similar to the Nashorn that was a combo of the Na-To gun with the chi-re chassis.
If you want more info consider picking up the TankPower books on Japanese armour. They are great references with color three views and production history.
All pictures are from the WW2 Drawings site. Hope that helps.
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I'm sure everyone has seen these over on TMP by now:
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/575739_187041141424896_1959053451_n.jpg)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/292221_187040814758262_1785761822_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318049_187040538091623_1181725298_n.jpg)
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The US ones are cool but the others are too blocky for my liking. And why do they have powered armour and yet normal helmets. Surely if they had that sort of tech helmets wouldn't be too much of a problem
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@werwulf - once again, thanks for the Japanese links. Those power armour soldiers aren't really that good (IMHO) and in the wrong scale for me. Just like beefcake said, the US one are ok, but the rest... :?
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Helicopters. And more power armour in a diesel punk style. *cough*Fallout*cough*T-51b*cough*T-45d*cough*
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O.K., so I've been contemplating doing my own figures for WWWII as I'm not quite finding what I like or in the wrong scale (I'm a 15mm type guy). So, I did post a question like this earlier but this seems to be a better venue for it. I like moderate Sci-Fi in my WWWII, plausibility. Power armor,walkers,Tesla weapons,zombies maybe werwulves. That's about as sci-fi/weird as I want to get. As I mentioned in another post, I liked the look of the early Dust stuff, the new stuff looks to 40kis and way to sci-fi. I like the look of the west wind infantry, flack jackets and beefed up rifles. So plausibly, what would a WWWII infantry be equipped with, Steel plate armor, flak jackets were in use during Korea, maybe that. I'm wanting to incorporate real things like NVG, but would the infantry weapon improve? I mean would they have a different beefier weapon, because they are now dealing with armor clad grunts. Maybe the M1 grand turns to the M14, or a variant of the M16? Maybe lasers?
Walkers, I have, using the frames of DP9's Gear Krieg mechs, but changing the legs and getting rid of the goofy little arms.
Power armor, I'm on the fence. I do like the look of Incursion APES and the West Wind British armor. I do like the look of the American power armor done by Clockwork Goblin. My question, using plausibility, what would power armor use in WWII, gas or battery power. Would there be a need of power armor if there were already walkers? What would a power armor plausibly carry as a weapon, grenade launcher, panzerfaust, panzershreck, machine gun? Would it be mounted like an integrated machine-gun hand, or carried, like a normal infantryman?
What about Tesla weapons and lasers? Plausibly, used only on tanks and walkers?
Any and all suggestions welcome.
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It's a pity you are a 15mm fan ;) If you were a 28mm one I would definitely help you with a miniature line.
I think that Dust figures and the SOTR are a step in the right direction - soldiers sporting flak jackets/steel plate armor. The SSU guys from DUST are really good. Just look at these real-life equivalents:
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5201/reden5.29/0_44278_9dd40fa_orig)
(http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8544/onlineuag6bio0mnu4ep0.jpg)
And it even looks good on a certain super-soldier:
(http://www.evilspacerobot.com/1001101/sketchblog/20070401/captainamerica.gif)
As for the infantry weapons, I think most of the soldiers should get heavy caliber automatic weapons with grenade launchers (or just individual launchers like the old M79). And RPG-like weapons (maybe a early model LAW/superbazooka for the Allies; improved panzerfaust/schreck for the Germans; early RPG - a RPG2 - for the Soviets). That would give them some punch against light mechs/tanks and even power armor.
Since I mentioned power armor - I like both the Dust ones (German and American) and the Incursion APES. I don't like most of the SOTR ones :\ I can also imagine something like the MaKs/Red Blok Kolossus being used. Even with mechs in use, the power armor troopers would be essential to get to those spots where the big mechs couldn't get. And the power armor troopers could also be used as tank/mech killers, like the Clan Elementals on BT. For armament, arm them with a mix of machine guns and rockets launchers, integrated on their hands. Mechs carrying stuff is just to Japanese for my tastes, lol.
Walkers - I would go for something like the Dust ones or the Red Blok ones. Just arm them (and the tanks) with heavier stuff - those lasers and Tesla weapons. Like Agis did here:
http://www.agisn.de/html/experimental_tanks.html
I imagine that weapons like that would need some big power sources so they would be mounted on heavier vehicles. And don't forget railguns ;)
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Ok, I didn't like the soldiers in power-armour, but the walkers are nice:
(http://miniaturereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Clockwork-Goblin-Minis-German-Heavy-walker.jpg)
(http://miniaturereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Clockwork-Goblin-Minis-Medium-Walker.jpg)
The US walker is far better than the Sherman with legs from Dust. It's a pity this line is 15mm :'(
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Found this in 1/144, to bad it's not 15mm.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h0CTBnw2gA0/UDEZunFtAAI/AAAAAAAAHo4/tYds4YQ6H-o/s400/r.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MdiblEleMSE/UDEZvsPXJcI/AAAAAAAAHpA/0jU92klMIDQ/s1600/rr1.jpg)
http://kampfgruppe144.blogspot.ca/2012/08/1144-ija-o-i-100-ton-tank-matuo-kasten.html#links (http://kampfgruppe144.blogspot.ca/2012/08/1144-ija-o-i-100-ton-tank-matuo-kasten.html#links)
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That must be the fifth layout design for the O-I I've seen so far. Not bad for a vehicle which supposedly only had one model made and shipped to Manchuria. Although given the size of the secondary turrets, it must be smaller than all the other versions.