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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: redzed on 17 August 2012, 10:09:15 PM
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Just out of ideal curiosity, (and an idea for a game set on board a 747), how would you make a 747 in '28mm', bearing in mind that the insides have to be accessible? ;D
(I know it's big before anyone says anything, 1.47M long & a wingspan of 1.45m, which will actually fit on my gaming table lol)
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Depends on what sort of detail and level of accuracy you are after.
Is the plane in flight or is it on the ground. In flight is easier obviously, on the ground, landing gear and surrounding airport paraphernalia have to be considered.
For the main cabin of the plane, two half tubes could be used with the window cut out of one half. A flat plate (for the 'floor') would have to be placed in the bottom tube with chairs and such stuck in place. For the front cabin and tail section you're probably looking at vacforming the shapes (in two halves again). Remember that most planes will have the bulkheads and food prep areas. Rebasing your figures would probably be in order as there's not much room on a plane :)
For the wings, you could get away with sculpting them from blue foam or some other such material. The upper deck would probably have to be made separately as an addition to the upper tube (not forgeting the stairs).
You're a mad bugger if you're going to do it though lol
cheers
James
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Rebasing your figures would probably be in order as there's not much room on a plane Smiley
So, sitting with your elbows tucked in, or walking down the aisles sideways....... lol
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Hate to say it, but I think the most wise idea is to use maps and have some detail pieces such as chairs and bulkheads sitting on the board. The other question is, do you really need the exterior. If you're doing a Snakes on a Plane / Flight of the Dead style game the interior cabins are all you need. Of course this is a reasonable solution, and when have we miniatures gamers ever been reasonable?
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the plane will be grounded, so landing gear etc is a must.
there's also this....
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa217/shaunyams/2012%20stuff/747-.jpg)
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Oh I like that a lot.
:)
4d models do rows of theatre style seats (using them in my BSG project)
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If its a cargo plane, you'd have very little in the way of seating....
If its airforce one, then scope for command and control functions etc so again more space to play with.
For a standard layout, might get away with 1pence sized bases?
Anyway stop talking about this, you make me want to build one lol
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I was just at the Boeing Dreamliner factory last month! Plenty of 1:1 scale models there!
Plenty of 1:48 models of Boeing planes here in Seattle. Pricey though.
I'd suggest making it like the real ones. Rib support framework covered with thin plastic sheet.
The new planes are made of continuous carbon fiber components. So no need for rivets or anything like that. I can poke around if you like. They do have kits and toys at the Boeing museum.
Brent
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thanks Brent, but it really is a theoretical question ;)
the amount of time it would take is outweighed bu how many times it would be used.
one of these might do, be big enough for a nice skirmish fight- perhaps on a runway in Africa...
(http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/IT2643.jpg)
not as grandiose as a 747, it's actually half the size o_o (which gives some idea to how f-ing HUGE a 747 is).
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Well, there is that playmobile jet that you could scavenge for parts. Wings, engines, cockpit, etc.
I think though you could make the model out of balsa and skin it ( for the fuselage ) and then sculpt the wings from foam or basswood.
Where is our LAF aircraft expert Jonnytodd? I'll bet he has some ideas...
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thanks Brent, but it really is a theoretical question ;)
the amount of time it would take is outweighed bu how many times it would be used.
one of these might do, be big enough for a nice skirmish fight- perhaps on a runway in Africa...
(http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/IT2643.jpg)
not as grandiose as a 747, it's actually half the size o_o (which gives some idea to how f-ing HUGE a 747 is).
I own two C-130 toys (from Battle Squads serie) and they're rather huge !
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I'd suggest making it like the real ones. Rib support framework covered with thin plastic sheet.
The problem with that is when you get to the compound curves around the cockpit.
Plenty of 1:48 models of Boeing planes here in Seattle. Pricey though.
Wow, I wouldn't mind seeing one of them 8)
cheers
James
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I bought a 'Barby' jet plane from a charity shop.
:D
..and your cavalry are mounted on My Little Ponies? :` lol
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I think converting a toy or buiding a scale model without an interior are easy enough to do, but to add insides, its a heck of a lot of work for something that might not be very playable! :( I considered the same problem when i thought it might be cool to play a game in a nuclear submarine, its too tight inside to get any decent movement from your models!
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I considered the same problem when i thought it might be cool to play a game in a nuclear submarine, its too tight inside to get any decent movement from your models!
ah, someone else who had the sub idea lol
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I think though you could make the model out of balsa and skin it ( for the fuselage ) and then sculpt the wings from foam or basswood.
I was thinking of making it out of fibreglass.
Carve and sand the main fuselage out of blue/pink foam, then cover with epoxy filler and sand to get a nice smooth shape. Mould it using plaster moulds, then use fibreglass matting on the two halves. At this point you will need a garage, which is why I stopped thinking about it as I don't have a garage. Materials wise it's less than a £200 for the fuselage and the wings, also as it's fibreglass you could cut into it after for removable access panels etc to make it game worthy. You could have entire removable sections, just by strengthening the stress points with 2mm steel covered with fibreglass on the internal.
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Redzed, your problem is scale....in 1/56th the 747 is only 1.3M long ! ;) I suggest you take the time, make it beautiful and even if you only use it once it will still be awesome... maybe a cutaway fuselage. Look at gamermac's zeppelin for a little inspiration: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19481.0
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Toys 'r' us has this monster on their website. With a little work to the windows it might be serviceable.
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11537933 (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11537933)
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Galoob Battle Squads (A)C-130
They sat on a ping pong table (to help imagine how big they are)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CPvwLzNJjzA/ToCR4fZf0tI/AAAAAAAACTs/QOcOWpzULco/s1600/P1170127.JPG)
Details
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Gx3nO_V-nNc/ToCR4iy3WTI/AAAAAAAACT0/mTsaQROzZjM/s1600/P1170128.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xZ3wK6ZKJno/ToCR4Jcw_FI/AAAAAAAACTk/3Jnz762GGgM/s1600/P1170125.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Yh_kLZp5Sac/TkE3ZOyKKkI/AAAAAAAACLk/PjD7gg6PrBk/s1600/figu%2B048.jpg)
With Tactical Strike Abrams (1/64) and rebased battlefield Evolution miniatures (little 28mm)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W7GQSLU18-4/TkE5tOmlbTI/AAAAAAAACME/QTN4RsqUhaE/s1600/figu%2B043.jpg)
Both C-130 were found on ebay (each for much less than the 49$ Toys'R'Us plane).
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What about the display models for airlines and travel agencies, they often have a cut out version.
http://aviationmodels-online.com/photo_gallery/cutaway/page2/P2.htm
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What about the display models for airlines and travel agencies, they often have a cut out version.
http://aviationmodels-online.com/photo_gallery/cutaway/page2/P2.htm
Beautiful, but almost certain to be redonkulously expensive.
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Beautiful, but almost certain to be redonkulously expensive.
You could check with some travel agencies, maybe they have models lying around they don't use any more.
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thanks but I'm going the 1/48 route with these..
(http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/IT2643.jpg)
(http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/IT2672.jpg)
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Rather stragnely (as 1:50 models cost about £300+) there's this one : http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane (http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane). As for now, Im failing to see the catch o_o...
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Rather stragnely (as 1:50 models cost about £300+) there's this one : http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane (http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane). As for now, Im failing to see the catch o_o...
It's a wooden model. so I guess without interior...
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I see that others have suggested travel agents and maybe even airline head offices. This is the route I would have gone.
I can remember that in years gone by there were always some huge models in the windows of stores and offices in London.
I am sure there are still some around - somewhere?
Try salvage yards.
Tony
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Rather stragnely (as 1:50 models cost about £300+) there's this one : http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane (http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane). As for now, Im failing to see the catch o_o...
uhhmm, looks interesting, as it's wood it could be used to make moulds for a fibreglass version :?
luckily/unluckily my paypal account is empty. :'(
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uhhmm, looks interesting, as it's wood it could be used to make moulds for a fibreglass version :?
luckily/unluckily my paypal account is empty. :'(
If it's solid wood, than yes that's bad. Hollow, well that can be made to work (if it's cheap hollow plastic - even better!). After all, the hard part is the fuselage shape. Furnishing an interior would be relatively easy.
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Rather stragnely (as 1:50 models cost about £300+) there's this one : http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane (http://www.warplanes.com/model-airplanes/air-force-1-747-200-150-model-plane). As for now, Im failing to see the catch o_o...
Scale typo probably :?
cheers
James
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i got this for £10 at a toy fair:-
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/sandsmodels/my%20own%20models/DSCN3992.jpg)
it is an ex travel agent 1/72 scale a300 airbus, (same as the entebbe plane).
it needed an engine so i moulded the other one ands some minor damage so you can see how big it is in 1/72 scale.
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/sandsmodels/my%20own%20models/DSCN3989.jpg)
i have posed it with a 1/76 olifant 1a
you can get 1/50th scale travel agent models of big planes but you are looking at £250.00+
i would get some tubing or maybe even some plastic 'U' shaped drain pipe and have it split horizontaly so you can easily get indside.
i may be able to supply 4 of these engines for it ;)
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I am pretty sure that Heller did a 1/72nd scale model of a Boeing 707, one of the numerous military versions (some or which may not actually count as 707s but they all look the same to me). Not a 1/48th scale 747 but about as big a jet airliner kit as I can think of.
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Chinook-1/48, rotars are removable for storage, the clear plastic underneath is to strengthen the wheels. Bits have been left off due to the 'ping' effect.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa217/shaunyams/2012%20stuff/chinook-01.jpg)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa217/shaunyams/2012%20stuff/chinook-02.jpg)
Hercules, 1/48. wings are removable, props are going to be magnetised. Front has lots of coin weight to stop it tipping.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa217/shaunyams/2012%20stuff/hercules-01.jpg)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa217/shaunyams/2012%20stuff/hercules-02.jpg)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa217/shaunyams/2012%20stuff/hercules-03.jpg)
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Seems to work :)
If you want something a little less clunky for support underneath give me a shout.
cheers
James
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Always wanted to do a crashed liner on a motorway intersection for one of my zed projects, finding the right size plane at the right price always precluded this nasty little project, will watch with interest and see how this pans out.
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well it wouldn't really be an airplane without wings.
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it's not so much that the wings are crucial, it's an object to fight around/defend etc, the wings just make it look better 8) 8)
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A 'wee' is the Scottish games console that's gone into production recently!! ;)
I found the perfect model for you... You only need to steal it from Gatwick airport though!!!
(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv179/andym2105/193397BE-4D54-4199-A4CE-8A1152D71E03-366-000000D11B54F9DA.jpg)
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I want it, next time someone's in Gatwick...... :D
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Sounds like a great scenario to set up! ;D
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I want it, next time someone's in Gatwick...... :D
Taking ''exceeding your on-board luggage allowance'' to a whole new level! lol