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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Rob_bresnen on 14 October 2012, 12:13:17 AM
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I have a F+IW army in mind, and have been looking how to paint my British army. I was wondering how you guys like to paint the red of the British Red Coat.
My usual method for painting red is to use GW Blood Red over a yellow base coat- but it is time consuming and generally goes on a bit 'thick' thus obscuring some details. It also has a tenancy to be patchy.
Any tips would be welcome indeed.
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I use GW paints and paint MY reds as follows:
Black base coat
Khorne Red base coat
Shade: Carroburg Crimson
Layer: Khorne Red on raised portions only leaving darker shadows
Layer 2/Highlight: Evil Sunz Scarlet
I don't know how this colour would match a more historical red though...
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I go for a deep brown base coat followed by an old GW red (scab red I think) that's on it's last legs then just a lighter red depending what my hand reaches for in the red/yellow paint draw lol
cheers
James
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I use the Foundry 'British Redcoat' triad, with a final highlight of Foundry 'Bright Red'. Works for me.
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I use the Foundry 'British Redcoat' triad, with a final highlight of Foundry 'Bright Red'. Works for me.
Off a black base coat?
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Off a black base coat?
No, always white, don't ever use black.
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No, always white, don't ever use black.
Same for me. I usually use a brown base coat like the old GW scorched brown followed by Vallego deep red, then a mid red followed by a scarlet highlight.
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I think the main problem is that most manufacturers' reds (and a lot of yellows) are a bit translucent for working over black or dark brown bases, which is why a lot of folk resort to yellow or white under red. The best red I ever had for covering power was the Humbrol acrylic of 20-odd years ago - bought another one recently, sadly not as good. :-I
I agree with the above comments, good pragmatic stuff, and some good recipes :)
I'm currently (rather spasmodically) painting some provincials with red waistcoats and facings. The colour combination I've ended up with over a black undercoat (actually I've come round to undercoating grey then a heavy wash of black to make the details more easily visible to work on) is:
Base - Foundry Madder Red Shade or GW Scab Red - James, it's still available :)
Mid - Foundry Scarlet Light
Highlight - Foundry Bright Red Light
I haven't tried the Redcoat "triad" yet.
I may move away from this a little bit for my regulars (when I have some ready ;) ), one thing to be wary of is ending up with too vivid a red for the British squaddie of this time, scarlet for soldiers was a relatively cheap colour of cloth,that of officers and sergeants being better.
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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I don't tend to worry so much about the basecoat, but generally use black.
I will then use my old Mechrite Red Foundation Paint. I go over that with a watered down wash with some black gesso (water-based undercoat, really cheap).
Once that has dried, I highlight with some really bright red. My latest one is Vallejo's Carmine Red 70908. I might mix that with some orange to really bring it out.
I also always add water to my paints before painting them on to a miniature.
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GW Scab Red - James, it's still available :)
But is it the same recipe? ;)
cheers
James
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But is it the same recipe? ;)
James, I can't swear to it, I had a pot ages ago which dried out eventually, but it looks pretty much the same to me. :)
It paints over black pretty well and is a good deep colour, other reds go over it nicely. 8)
Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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James, I can't swear to it, I had a pot ages ago which dried out eventually, but it looks pretty much the samec to me. :)
It paints over black pretty well and is a good deep colour, other reds go over it nicely. 8)
Cheers,
Lance
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Thanks Lance, I'll give it a go if I can be brave enough to go in ::) lol
cheers
James
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I do my reds with craft paints starting with a burgundy and finishing with one called Holly Berry from Inscribe.
James, mail order it you great wuss. I fully understand where you are coming from though, just not worth the experience involved to cross their threshold
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James, mail order it you great wuss.
;D bugger off you ;D
Anyway, you've got to register and I really can't be bothered with all that and the postage for one pot of paint that I can probably get my missus to buy for me :D
cheers
James
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/11/577_01_10_12_6_21_05_0.jpg)
Black undercoat
GW Blood red cut with 10% black as a basecoat
GW Blood red top coat
GW Blood red cut with increasing amounts of Vallejo Flat Yellow for highlight coats.
The topmost highlight has a lot more yellow than red in the mix.
GW Evil Sunz Scarlet is the best substitute for the GW discontinued Blood Red. In fact, it's already a bit yellower.
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Plaka 23 Siignal Rot, redder than Lennin :)
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If you want a more "historical" brick red you can try Valejo burnt cadmium red, cavalry brown, and flat red. I use a highlight of scarlet for officers. If you want a faded look, mix in some red leather and/or orange brown. I almost always prime black. It comes out looking like this:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/3/520_21_07_09_2_35_05_1.jpg)
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Just to add my two-pennies worth;
Over a Black undercoat
Blood Red mixed with some Dark Green for the base.
Blood Red for the mid coat and highlight.
I find that Red does not need a final highlight.
You can always wash with Red Wash.
Tony
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Blood Red mixed with some Dark Green for the base.
Interesting - sounds like a proper artist's trick that one ;)
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Purple-black for the basecoat, then up through the Reaper MSP "Painter's-Blood" triad, if I'm being careful. If I have a lot of redcoats, I just use MSP Clotted Red thinned over white primer and that nearly self-highlights.
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Just to throw another option in, I use a mix of paints, and best result I've had is usually through black base, followe dby a lightish brown and then 'cardinal red' from the FolkArt range, then highlighted by mixing a little white in with the red to produce a lighter shade. Although having seen Captain Blood's photos I think I might just go home now :)
Otherwise, I've also found Tamiya acrylic hull red as a good basecoat for reds (it's nigh-on brown), although it does sometimes require a couple of coats for good coverage.