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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: abdul666lw on 06 November 2012, 08:55:19 PM
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(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/6452/files/the-kurganovas_grande.jpg)
Raging Heroes Kurganova sisters (http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/6715062-ivanka-and-her-sisters-launch-with-a-very-special-deal): Ivanka, Malinka and Olga
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40k perv, not VSF.
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Charlie the bull dog looks fun
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40k perv, not VSF.
Agreed.
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(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/6452/files/the-kurganovas_grande.jpg)
Raging Heroes Kurganova sisters (http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/6715062-ivanka-and-her-sisters-launch-with-a-very-special-deal): Ivanka, Malinka and Olga
Bad Steampunk on a off day maybe...
Gracias,
Glenn
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40k perv, not VSF.
upon review: A little harsh but not inaccurate.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Charlie the bull dog looks fun
Yep, it was already mentioned in the dog thread as well:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=41553.msg547675#msg547675
I stand by what I said about the "ladies" there. But then, I'm not in the demographic for the "Rogin shibols" stuff so my opinion matters to even more zilch and nada than usual.
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The dog is nice, but the rest is not VSF to me.
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Only if that is Voluptuously Sculpted Figures
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Well, to be frank I don't think VSF is quite completely clear cut even tho the consensus among the participants largely looks to be the sisters aren't fit for it.
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Well, to be frank I don't think VSF is quite completely clear cut even tho the consensus among the participants largely looks to be the sisters aren't fit for it.
They are about as far removed from VSF as they could be, I don't see them as steampunk either. 40K yep absolutely.
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The dog is nice though. If anyone gets this set but doesn't need the mutt, I will pay for it.
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Bad Steampunk on a off day maybe...
Steampunk rather than VSF, I agree and plead guilty of inaccuracy: their dress reflect a society of civic and cultural equality / equal opportunities à la late 1960 - early "70. This is a distinguishing feature of Steampunk (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40337.msg534205), causally correlated with the 'weirder' science and technology, both reflecting an earlier divergence from our time line (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40337.msg534602#msg534602) than in VSF settings. Hinterland Hussarettes are on the opposite VSF-compatible.
But 'bad' and 'on an off day'? This is a purely personal opinion. Then 'De gustibus coloribusque not est dispuntandum' :)
Dystopian Legions, maybe?
In any case *visually* the borderline between Steampunk on the one hand and some 40K types -the late Pretorians, but also the Vostroyans
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251728_99110105193_Vostfirstbornsqdmain_445x319.jpg)
and Warmachine ones -specially some Khador
(http://privateerpress.com/files/products/Winter-Guard-Rifle-Corps.png)
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Nice sculpts....love the dog, would look great on a Skiff or airship. The lassies would just look good painted on the shelf......BUT NO WAY is that set worth $43AUD PLUS postage of another $16AUD!!!
I will just wait until after GW finds an excuse to sue them and they are forced to get rid of them quick.
Pete
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I will just wait until after GW finds an excuse to sue them and they are forced to get rid of them quick.
Not to rain on your parade but I doubt GW will ever sue them. GW became very cautious not to shock the (American, mainly?) parents (who pay for the minis) with any 'naughtiness': they put bras on their daemonettes (none by the old 'Realms of Chaos' time) and amazons, loincloths on the serpentmen. Even Foundry is far more audacious! Hence Raging Heroes, aiming at another audience, are far less direct GW competitors than, say, those armies of Dwarves and Elves of that manufacturer I'll not name .
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I don't think it's a question of competition really, GW used to hit quite tiny companies with lawsuits back in the day, or at least they had that kind of rep. Nowadays everybody and their uncle is copying GW style rather blatantly (I'd wager more blatantly than that even that company you won't name but -- taking a wild guess -- is known as Mantic) and getting away with it. But admittedly maybe it's because they've become so large that it doesn't matter to them any more if cottage industries copy them -- the same as it doesn't seem to bother Paramount that cottage kits of Star Trek ships are all over the place.
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They're "Reich-Stripperz". Now, if that's to your taste, that's fine and dandy, but it takes more than rivets, goggles & a corset to make it Steampunk.
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Agreed. I find that style of over-the-top weaponry seriously off-putting, too. It just looks ridiculous to my eyes. The dog is nice, though.
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A little harsh but not inaccurate.
It was a little harsh, sorry, and I would like to point out I wasn't calling abdul666w a 40k perv, just naming the style :)
Steampunk rather than VSF, I agree and plead guilty of inaccuracy: their dress reflect a society of civic and cultural equality / equal opportunities à la late 1960 - early "70. This is a distinguishing feature of Steampunk (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40337.msg534205), causally correlated with the 'weirder' science and technology, both reflecting an earlier divergence from our time line (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40337.msg534602#msg534602) than in VSF settings. Hinterland Hussarettes are on the opposite VSF-compatible.
I'll grant you the punk element, but I can't see anything 'steam' about those figures. The dystopian element that drives 'proper' steampunk is very much a core principal of 40k, but that's the punk side again.
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Steampunk rather than VSF, I agree and plead guilty of inaccuracy: their dress reflect a society of civic and cultural equality / equal opportunities à la late 1960 - early "70. This is a distinguishing feature of Steampunk (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40337.msg534205), causally correlated with the 'weirder' science and technology, both reflecting an earlier divergence from our time line (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40337.msg534602#msg534602) than in VSF settings. Hinterland Hussarettes are on the opposite VSF-compatible.
But 'bad' and 'on an off day'? This is a purely personal opinion. <snip>
Of course it's a "purely personal opinion" because it is fiction unlike historical figures where the nit pickers can at least compare it to something that can be verified. Any discussion of SF/VSF/Fantasy lacks (sometimes mercifully) any historical occurrence for the grognards to argue endlessly about.
Since I prefer VSF to Steampunk it's only natural that I might have an opinion the steampunk true believers (aren't we all on something?) would think errant. It's my opinion and it's worth what you paid for it. Nothing.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Agreed. I find that style of over-the-top weaponry seriously off-putting, too. It just looks ridiculous to my eyes. The dog is nice, though.
I was politely not mentioning the guns. But since it was brought up there are many oversized guns on SF (and some VSF) figures (yeah, yeah, futuristic ultra strong, ultra light materials... gravity compenators... ) to the point where it is worse than the grossly oversized weapons found on too many fantasy figures.
Again another purely personal opinion that is worth zero centavos/cents/pence/galactic credit bits...
Still, at the end of the day - you like them you should support this guy/gal and buy them. They have a certain style despite my lack of appreciation of it.
Gracias,
Glenn
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I would like to point out I wasn't calling abdul666w a 40k perv
It's the 40k part that would have offended me lol
I entirely agree with the silliness of GW-inspired oversized weapons which spoil many otherwise rather good fantasy minis (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=44940.msg527126#msg527126) (I don't care much for Sci-Fi ones)>:(.
Now in too many historical figurines the heads, hands and feet are oversized (Foundry SYW French come to mind): if I had to choose... well, think Tin Man (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=47693.0) then :D
Btw, as for minis of GW inspiration, are not the LAF Bruegelburg ones as Mordheim-compatible as, say, the RG Fantasy Kurganova (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=47681.0) ??? ?
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Btw, as for minis of GW inspiration, are not the LAF Bruegelburg ones as Mordheim-compatible as, say, the RG Fantasy Kurganova (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=47681.0) ??? ?
Ah, but they aren't pervy, or VSF :)
To be honest, I don't have an objection to that fantasy Kurganova, it's quite nice. Clothes are a bit tight for the level of flounce but it's not bad and she's at least covered up. Still not VSF though :)
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Never mind the weapon length, those legs are suffering from serious scale-creep!
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Never mind the weapon length, those legs are suffering from serious scale-creep!
Agreed. The legs are a bit excessive. Especially the lower part of the shin. I can't clearly distinguish the knees on some of them but the distance from the calf muscles to the ankle joint seems to be where the elongation seems most noticeable.
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Never mind the weapon length, those legs are suffering from serious scale-creep!
Wrong: they are in-scale for someone like Adriana Karembeu (http://mode.glamourparis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/jambes-adriana.jpg) (1.26 m of legs out of a total of 1.83 m): (linked as 'url' rather than 'img' in case some judged the innocuous pic 'NSFW' lol).
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it takes more than rivets, goggles & a corset to make it Steampunk.
I do not see any rivet :D
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they aren't pervy ... she's at least covered up.
'Pervy'? 'Covered'? To be honest, since we are chatting happily among friends, I totally fail to understand (perhaps because I'm not a religious fundamentalist?) this negative attitude, as if the female body was intrinsically obscene / shameful or whatever. And nowadays with our street invaded by women in 'great veil' -with a hood under the hijab, just like European women during the Middle-Ages:
(http://www.lesartsdecoratifs.fr/local/cache-gd2/768577aa77336b2a54d9a2fb7615b82d.jpg)
(certain Safe For Work / Wife, so I posted it as an image ;) )
well, I'm turning really allergic to such prejudiced attitude >:(
Perhaps also because I remember so well the late '60 - early '70, certainly the happiest period of whole French history
Françoise Hardy (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uQVWPfAjsUs/ThN2So71ppI/AAAAAAAACU8/EqYOdW5c9yM/s400/Francoise%252BHardy%252Bin%252BCourreges%252C%252BFrance%252C%252B1968.jpg)
Lt Ellis (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UmVJHdSCT_A/T1ymmYhayLI/AAAAAAAADT4/p_PgHaTgbvs/s400/LtGEllis.jpg)
By then cultural equality was (almost) reached (for a time) here and women could sunbath topless just like men, rid from the 'Abrahamanic' taboo on the 'intrinsically obscene / shameful' nature of the female body. Nowadays one feels pushed back to the Middle-Ages.
Perhaps also for a part because I'm French. In all public parks in France we have (since the late 19th C.) 'Ancient fashion' statues such as:
Promeneuse (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7278/7561401208_a7fa49c783_z.jpg)
Le secret (http://belforum.net/img/8/ce3c0bcd5817dd51d32401206c0ef135.jpg)
Centauresse et faune (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7250/7564138798_47d43bfdd1_h.jpg)
Sphinxe (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TXP0A8bHAsw/UEtbEIXOAEI/AAAAAAAADno/xKmvsECRmEE/s1600/P1040391.JPG)
For as far as we can remember when children we strolled and played around such statues: so when women started sunbathing topless on French beaches, no one here was really shocked.
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I have no problem with scantily clad ladies and even less with naked ones ;)
I don't particularly feel a need for them in my miniature collection though, especially in VSF, where the standards of the time would have made such things ludicrous. Steampunk is a little more open but I think it goes too far in many cases. The traditional fantasy chainmail bikini is a good example. I have no problem with someone wanting the figure, nor with someone dressing that way in real life if they want to, I dislike it with my figures because it's stupid due to the whole lack of protection.
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Indeed steampunk settings have to have diverged from 'our' history far earlier than VSF ones, since sciences and technology are 'weirder'; as a butterfly effect the 'new' technologies had plenty of time to impact on the society, including on women status. and thus freedom of dressing: from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPxajzP-2jQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPxajzP-2jQ)
to (roughly) the equivalent of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf55gHK48VQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf55gHK48VQ)
and then of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww)
Re the chainmail bikini, don't forget wargaming figurines are not intended to be individually scrutinized under a magnifying glass, but to be seen en masse from a distance: essential distinguishing features have to be... outlines / emphasized. Otherwise how could you tell a swordmaiden from an Elf -traditionally androgynous? ('All Elves are faggots', any Dwarf will tell you; actually IMHO it's because half of them are adult female whose sexual development is blocked by the pheromones of reproductive females, a nice natural trick to control the population growth of a very long-lived species -I could even be 'Popperally correct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper)' and make a prediction successfully submitted to attempted falsification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability) -but I'm really drifting off-topic :-[)
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OMG, Nancy Sinatra,the one hit wonder? LOL!
Cultural differences do not constitute superiority. They may but that become almost political/religious in nature and I will not violate any rules to carry that discussion any further.
Gracias,
Glenn
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<snip Steampunk stuff since I basicaly ignore it and have no expertise in that>
Re the chainmail bikini, don't forget wargaming figurines are not intended to be individually scrutinized under a magnifying glass, but to be seen en masse from a distance:
Glenn: Not true if you count skirmish games/rules where WYSISWYG often rules (pun intended.)
And historical figures should reflect a semblance of historical verity - I allow Fantasy some slack, although without magical intervention physics should still apply, ditto SF with VSF pseudoscience replacing "magic."
essential distinguishing features have to be... outlines / emphasized. Otherwise how could you tell a swordmaiden from an Elf -traditionally androgynous?
<snip one version of Fantasy>
Glenn: Elven figures are not all androgynous - that is a sculptor choice.
Again, you like the figure, please buy it.
If I was given that figure it would be traded/Ebayed without hitting my shelves. Not because it is bad (which it may be) sculpting but because it would not fit in with my figures.
Gracias,
Glenn
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<snip>
Btw, as for minis of GW inspiration, are not the LAF Bruegelburg ones as Mordheim-compatible as, say, the RG Fantasy Kurganova (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=47681.0) ??? ?
There you have me. I refuse to play GW games, buy their rules, and (until I decided to build Spanish VSF and put them on Venus,) buy their figures. My Achilles heel was the lizard men plastic figures. They were perfect and I succumbed to the Ebay tempting. Hence I have no idea how well they fit. If they do then GW gamers should consider buying these figures if they fit into their armies.
Call it a personal decision that does not reflect negatively on those who do play/buy.
Gracias,
Glenn
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... as a butterfly effect the 'new' technologies had plenty of time to impact on the society, including on women status. and thus freedom of dressing:
The impact of technology on sociological standards do not necessarily run parallel. A look at parts Muslim world show that the adoption of higher levels of technology over the past century have, in the majority of cases, not affected sociological freedoms or affected a decline in modest dress standards.
Look at differences between the Great War and WWII - Just because tanks, aeroplanes and other strange mechanical weapons were common during WWII didn't cause women to take half their kit off and wade into battle with short skirts and oversized boots.
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The impact of technology on sociological standards do not necessarily run parallel. A look at parts Muslim world show that the adoption of higher levels of technology over the past century have, in the majority of cases, not affected sociological freedoms or affected a decline in modest dress standards.
Look at differences between the Great War and WWII - Just because tanks, aeroplanes and other strange mechanical weapons were common during WWII didn't cause women to take half their kit off and wade into battle with short skirts and oversized boots.
Very Valid point.
Gracias,
Glenn
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The impact of technology on sociological standards do not necessarily run parallel. A look at parts Muslim world show that the adoption of higher levels of technology over the past century have, in the majority of cases, not affected sociological freedoms or affected a decline in modest dress standards.
I know well of the restrictive and prejudiced Victorian society, but to assimilate it with Wahhabi Saudi Arabia or fundamentalist Afghanistan is a little excessive. Don't that by Victorian times forget the waltz was already accepted in 'Western' societies, Christian women no longer hid their hair under a veil for centuries, upper class women had occasionally sported generous cleavage for generations. Western civilization was progressive, not static. Higher levels of technology were imported to Muslim countries -foreign, the thing of heathens cum invaders-occupants-, not born there as natural products of the (totally sclerosed) local culture.
Look at differences between the Great War and WWII - Just because tanks, aeroplanes and other strange mechanical weapons were common during WWII didn't cause women to take half their kit off and wade into battle with short skirts and oversized boots.
Indeed young women started wearing shorts between the 2 World Wars in youth movements (Auberges de Jeunesse in France...) of the German Wandervogel type.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uQ4BilhOzuI/S8eFb0nP60I/AAAAAAAAAEE/4l4yrPGpwR0/s1600/Alice+Fraysse+Tantine+AJ.jpg)
It took some time to pass from such to the mini-skirt of the late '60, and I argue that 'steampunk' diverged from 'our timeline' far earlier than 'VSF'.
And as for the 'impracticability' of short skirts and high boots as battlefield gear, they are not very different from what men wore in the Late Renaissance. Indeed before the most recent 'batteldresses' the *only* uniform designed with practicability in mind was the one depicted by Maurice de Saxe in his Rêveries for the infantry of his proposed Légions:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZBHQNGQnM3Y/S8bAiNR9hHI/AAAAAAAAA4M/0nqAWGcDYTk/s1600/Plate+1.jpg)
And anyway we are debating about 'Steampunk', not 'serious' alternate history.
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There is always that.
Gracias,
Glenn