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Miniatures Adventure => Call of Cthulhu => Strange Aeons => Topic started by: superflytnt on November 14, 2012, 01:32:20 AM
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OK, gents. I've sold off most of my board game collection and I'll likely have at least 500 bucks to buy materials and whatnot for my soon-to-be-awesome pulp buildings.
But I have a conundrum.
There are ~SO MANY SCALES~.
I love the look of the Hovels 25mm buildings. But I don't think they'll look to be in scale with my Uncle Mike's stuff. In fact, I'm almost considering just selling the Uncle Mike's stuff so that I can use Copplestone and Grenadier sized stuff, since there's so much more of it out there and they all match up scale.
But back to my initial point...
Should I be looking at Hovels, or JR Miniatures, or Pegasus Hobby.... or should I really be looking at O/O27 scale Plasticville stuff and modify it to be...Dunwichy.
I'm just having a hell of a time with this. I guess it really boils down to me wanting to have oldben1's Gilman House and Mason's .. everything! .. but have it all line up scalewise with the miniatures.
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For the price, you can't beat the plasticville stuff, it paints up nice, and is easy to convert since it's plastic.
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Im also looking for some buildings, and so far I like Hovels buildings, they are a bit small i know, and I'm still thinking about if I can live with the scale difference. I like the style of the Hovels buildings, and they require no assembly. Hovels are cheap also, compared to other manufacturers.
I have been looking at different sets of Laser-cut buildings, but somehow I don't fancy them. most manufacturers burn the brick patterns into MDF board, but not very deep, just a normal coat of paint seems to cover it, I can't comprehend why they don't burn the brick pattern a but wider and deeper. These buildings also look too artificial because there are no smooth rounded shapes at all. Pro's are most are true to even large 28mm scale, but they require a lot of work to look really great.
Sadly I don't know anything about Plasticville products.
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I'll sell you the Gilman house for 500. That should solve your problems >:D
I like Plasticville, very easy to paint and modify. I can show you all the models to buy for a good innsmouth table for around 150. There are really though only about 4 or 5 buildings for rural America.
if you want something less urban though, I would probably go with Hovels. Look around this site, Hovels stuff looks pretty good if you have the money. You could even mix it with Armorcast Hollow stuff for diversity. My Dunwich/ rural boad will be a lot smaller but I really like what Mason did. I think Bergh is right, most buildings are not going to be perfect anyways. I have only used the monsters from Uncle Mikes because I like the sculpts so I can comment on their human height. Buildings are not really in scale anyways. Atrue Gilman house would be huge.
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OldBen1:500 Belarus Rubles it is! SOLD! ;) Please, let me know about Innsmouth, because that's PRECISELY what I'm doing - an Innsmouth with some docks and a Dunwich area with a hill.
Bergh: I know, mate! So pretty! But the problem I have with the Hovels stuff is that there's no possibility for interiors, and I rather fancy house-to-house battles. Regarding the laser-cut stuff, I agree as well, BUT....the best thing about that is that you can put plaster/spackle on it and make the models "stucco". That is EXACTLY what I'm buying for my "Egypt" stuff. I have some JR Miniatures Middle East stuff which is just smashing, and I was thinking of using that stuff as the "slums" and use the Gamecraft Miniatures stuff as the "nice area".
Thanks so very much for the advice. Great stuff!
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If you fancy interior buildings, Laser-cut MDF is the way to go I think, require alot of work, but as I understand that don't bother you, and almost the best thing with putting work into the buildings, is that its going to be your own creation.
I'm abit of building lazy, so I'm properly going to buy 6-7 of those hovels buildings, for some Dunwich action. People advice on the board says its better to have abit smallish buildings then true 28mm scale, don't know if this is true or not.
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If you can find them, look for the old Ertl Cow town or Farm town. They are the same western buildings. Cow town comes with old west signage and western accessories. Farm town comes with more modern accessories. And they look alright with the Plasticsville buildings.
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Yeah, I'd really like to hear about those buildings good for Innsmouth, as I would like to do a junky town with lots of hybrids.
Mike D
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Sounds like we need to start another thread with possible Innsmouth Plasticville. I'll work on it this week.
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Sounds like we need to start another thread with possible Innsmouth Plasticville. I'll work on it this week.
Good idea. If we follow the canon background, Innsmouth is a bigger and more modern town then Dunwich?
Brick houses and coppled roads?
Where Dunwich is wooden houses in a old Civil war style almost, with dirt roads even in the center of the town.
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You guys are going to love this:
http://baharna.com/cmythos/innsmap.htm. Map of Innsmouth
http://baharna.com/cmythos/innsmth.htm Origin of map
http://rustmonsteratemysword.blogspot.com/2011/03/scanning-project-dunwich-call-of.html
Map of Dunwich
Tell me that's not cool!
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When you asked me where I got all the buildings that I used on my last set-up, I did reply to you, at length.
Here is the reply:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=39808.1050
I cannot recommend PMC games highly enough for your particular needs, but postage over the pond may be exorbitant, I warn you!
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Totally agree with Mason. PMC is fantastic and even with shipping you have a prepainted building for 15-20 euros. Awesome price IMO.
The only downside is the smell of the resin...;)
Main thing with them is the shipping time. Be prepared to wait at least a month for them. It's normal, so don't sweat if it takes long.
Other good stuff:
http://www.fenrisgames.com/shop.html#!/~/product/category=2425297&id=11083263
http://www.ziterdes.de/ziterdes/en/produkte/listview.php?catID=64&subcatID=67
http://www.gelaendestuecke.de/onlineshop/index.php?cat=c6_industry--houses---ruins-industry--houses---ruins.html
http://www.fantasy-gelaende-modelle.de/fantasy/haeuser_3.htm
http://rustyrail.com/OShacksCastingsOscalePage.htm
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I'd agree with the PMC comments; their stuff is great value, I have about 25 buildings from them. It can take a bit of time to arrive but it's a small business with a popular product so I don't mind that. I've made many orders and have never been let down. Postage can be high but they are heavy items. I've had parcels that cost more to send than I've paid in postage.
I use mine mainly for WotR, Napoleonics and WWII and I want to build a small coastal settlement for a Home Guard campaign that could also double as a deep one settlement without much fuss. I can't decide whether to go New England (which might be more work) or North East England for the deep one set up though. If I go New England I'm tempted to supplement with the new Sarisssa Precision North American range. The only problem is I'm running out of space to store them (and paying for it all)!
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When you asked me where I got all the buildings that I used on my last set-up, I did reply to you, at length.
Yes, and between that post and the responses to Bergh's questions about 1920's architecture, I've been given quite the education! But my question is really less about "which buildings are out there" as much as scale.
I cannot recommend PMC games highly enough for your particular needs, but postage over the pond may be exorbitant, I warn you!
I like the PMC stuff, but I've read more than my fair share of horror stories with people waiting 2 months, people not getting things at all and having to hunt the guy down...but like you said, you really can't beat the price and quality.
I looked at that Sarissa stuff...2MM MDF, though? We're talking about some seriously thin material...I'd be afraid to break it! :)
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I guess I can add some plastic to the sea of resin. These would be Innsmouth specific. I have some of these. Here are some specific buildings that I like:
Marsh Refinery
http://kline.lionel.com/KbL_Products/ProductFinder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-21378&expandBranch=39&Keywords=&CategoryID=39&RailLineID=&CatalogId=
Old Firehall
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=plasticville+fire+station&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=593&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=zyOBaJv3iJBcLM:&imgrefurl=http://www.shopping.com/in-box-plasticville-fire/Py-TF2BmSVKiDLveJ_4JtQ%3D%3D/info&docid=QP252G-mbAP7gM&itg=1&imgurl=http://di107.shoppingshadow.com/images/di/4c/52/6a/5f412d7a3358475256746f7439777076624c51-149x149-0-0.jpg&w=149&h=149&ei=t6GjUOPbG6K6yQGn1oGABg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=516&vpy=338&dur=1640&hovh=119&hovw=119&tx=70&ty=75&sig=102632630885289233141&page=1&tbnh=119&tbnw=119&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:93
Masonic Temple of Dagonhttp://kline.lionel.com/KbL_Products/ProductFinder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-21382&expandBranch=39&Keywords=&CategoryID=39&RailLineID=&CatalogId=
Gilman House Lionville Pharmacy
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26861900@N00/5361988473/in/photostream
National Grocery Plasticville 5 and 10
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26861900@N00/5362629606/in/photostream/
Marsh Mansion Plasticville Mansion
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=plasticville+colonial+mansion&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=622&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Kw7dLeBx4xX0RM:&imgrefurl=http://www.tandem-associates.com/plasticville/colonial_mansion.htm&docid=E5fqY0INgQ079M&imgurl=http://www.tandem-associates.com/plasticville/pictures/1703_colonial_mansion_box.jpg&w=157&h=100&ei=mqKjULOCBY3YyAGvwIDACw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1049&vpy=356&dur=820&hovh=80&hovw=125&tx=100&ty=52&sig=102632630885289233141&page=1&tbnh=80&tbnw=124&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0,i:102
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http://rustmonsteratemysword.blogspot.com/2011/03/scanning-project-dunwich-call-of.html
Map of Dunwich
Tell me that's not cool!
Well, I can tell you that this bloke apparently came up with the map by himself and admits it's his first RPG town map ever. He points out that "my Dunwich lacked the decrepit, backwoods New England vibe of Lovecraft's squalid little hamlet. Instead, it was more West Coast - probably due to it being as heavily influenced by the movie "Fright Night" as much as it was by Lovecraft".
So I don't belittle the effort but I wouldn't call it very authoritative source either.
Then again, he tells it was in the mid-80s. I think Chaosium's "Return to Dunwich" source book only came out in 1991 and the updated Dunwich book in 2002. (I may be wrong here as there are multiple printings and I didn't trace the original publishing dates that thoroughly.) Obviously the guys at Chaosium also had to make up plenty of stuff so theirs is just another speculative take on the subject. However, they sort of have a licence to define details... And in any case, they often do their homework reasonably well.
For what it's worth, the village map from Chaosium's book looks like this:
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/364/dunwich2hw1.jpg)
It also comes with a large map of the whole area. There's a small-res preview on their site: http://catalog.chaosium.com/product_info.php?products_id=32
So pick your favourite cool. ;)
For something distantly related, there's a real Dunwich in Suffolk, UK. Strangely enough, it's a coastal town which slowly eroded and disappeared into the sea. :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunwich
http://atlasobscura.com/place/lost-town-dunwich
See the small thumbnail in the latter link to see how the coastline moved over centuries. It's not only people who go down under. You can take your town with you.
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Based on what I've read and studied Hovels seems the way to go. I'm going for a more rural look with less buildings. I love the PMC buildings but They look too medieval to me.
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PMC have several different types of buildings, including medieval, Middle Eastern, Dark Ages and a fairly new VBCW range.
If you look through them all, there are quite a few that are suitable, especially for rural areas.
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I'll defer to you Mason. Your terrain is awesome!
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I'll defer to you Mason. Your terrain is awesome!
No need to do that, Sir!
Just thought that I would mention it as people may not be aware of the variety in the range as their Medieval-type stuff has been around for so long that they may only be known for that range.
I think your buildings are damn good, too!
So good that I went and got me a plasticville-type building.
Now I just need to find the time to do something with it....
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Hey oldben, let me ask you this: On all of your buildings, there's this sort of stippled texture on them. The original models don't have that...how did you get that....pitted...texture on there? It looks cracking!
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I've only painted the buildings. That's it. Most of the plasticville has stucco, which is more characteristic to the 1950's/ I noticed Grimm drybrushed the stucco like you would brick and it looked pretty good. The firehall, and the 5 and 10 are all stucco on the front and back. Paint black, drybrush redbrick, than white mixed with redbrick.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5206/5362631466_25f1722553.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26861900@N00/5362631466/)
Five and Dime exit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26861900@N00/5362631466/) by oldben1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/26861900@N00/), on Flickr
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(https://www.vintagetoysillustrated.com/vintage-toys-for-sale/january/2012/PLASTICVILLE_USA_VINTAGE_O-GAUGE_CREAM_5_AND_10_STORE_CS-5.JPG)
The reason I asked is that if you look at the texture of yours, then the texture of the above, they don't seem to be the same. Obviously, I like yours better! ;)
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The storefront is different, it's flat. I gave it an old stone feel. The sides and the back are textured because Plasticville used the same mold for other buildings. They just swapped out the front. The apartment, the post office, and a few of the other storefronts have the same back and sides.You have to be careful with plasticville because a lot of the models can look too similar.
These are old pictures but they give you the idea. I used picture matting for the sidewalk.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5248/5362034815_7bcdf51982.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26861900@N00/5362034815/)
Part of my skirmish table (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26861900@N00/5362034815/) by oldben1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/26861900@N00/), on Flickr
Does anyone still have pictures of Grimm's warehouse and his pulp apartment? The old site he used is down. He started this all for me.