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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: Ignatieff on 27 March 2008, 02:22:17 PM
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Does anyone know of anyone who does 28mm Highlanders, compatible with Copplestone/Brigade figures, and who are not wearing steel helmets and hence suitable for NW frontier/Back of Beyond 1918-26??
thanks
Ignatieff
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Pretty sure Renegade do WW1 Scots in kilts and Tams... Their WW1 figs have always looked rather nice to me, quite in the Brigade / Artizan / Copplestone style...
Obviously these won't be in shirtsleeve order though...
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They are not bad looking at all, they are not, now that you reminded me, Blood I have to order some.
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Ha ha! I shall put in for my commission at once! :wink:
Hey - actually, now that I look at the Renegade site, I can see pic of the highlanders HMG and crew, but not the infantry. But what I can see is that they are doing a very advantageous Spring offer of only 6.00 GBP per pack, which for 8 figures in this day and age, is a bloody good deal.
That said, looking at the Copplestone chaps in pith helmets and shorts (BU24) it wouldn't require much in the way of modelling skills to add a Milliput kilt and sporran over the shrts, would it? And there you would have instant Scots in the right headgear and shirt sleeve order...
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Foundry do Great War Highlanders. Might be suitable with some work?
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/GREATWAR/3/index.asp
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The Boer War highlanders would also be suitable I should think, they have the aprons over the fornt of the kilts too. Not sure if the rifle and webbing would be too old fashioned though BOB is not my period
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Boer War Highlanders have the wrong helmet and webbing, so some work might be necessary. I don't know what ranges are out there but there is a chance they might be modelled with Lee Metfords instead of Lee Enfields, too. Sounds like a bit of a non-starter to me.
Also, the Foundry Great War figures are tiny![/color] Be aware of that before buying any to mix with what you already have.
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Truthfully, I'd be inclined to email messrs Copplestone and Weiss and suggest they might consider producing kilted variants of their existing BOB British infantry.
After all, they could re-use the upper portions of the existing figures, and simply sculpt a couple of new kilted dollies for the lower halves.
Given how often you see the BOB Brits in play, they must be a good seller, so I'm sure there'd be a market for BOB Highlanders too.
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They need to get some Gurkha command minis into that range to. I want some drawn kukris, dagnabbit!
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Good comments all. I think I'll pursue the Copplestone/Lon Weiss lobbying route. I agree that they would be good sellers, and yes they could be converted from existing figures (way beyond my skills). I have to say though, most of the existing figures are waaaaay too chunky. When you see pictures of malnourished Brits (and particularly Scots) of the period, we need someone like the Perry brothers or the Great War miniatures folk to work their magic.
Great point re the Ghurkas as well. I think Mark C was alseep when he did his. Bog standard poses and no kukris. Disappointing
There is a big market out there for someone who puts the effort in.
Ignatieff
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Battle Honours has 1914 WWI Highlanders wearing glengarries. I use them alongside Renegade figures with no problems.
Another option would be to take any of the later period Western Front Highlanders (Brigade, GWM, etc) and try a head swap for the sun helmet.
The Copplestone Gurkhas do have kukris, they are tucked away somewhere in the webbing on the back. Still, the figures aren't that interesting (and they are BIG - somewhat in defiance of the gurkha reputation for being short).
W
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Good point the Copplestone Ghurkas. Anything better out there?? I currently use the old Foundry NW frontier ones, but the uniforms are all wrong.
Ignatieff
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Eureka has WWI era gurkhas - these are smaller and have a greater selection of poses than Copplestone.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x96/WillBailie/Miniatures/?action=view¤t=DSCN3074.jpg
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I like the look of the Eureka WWI era gurkhas and they are not in shorts!!!!I know the Brits actually wore shorts in hot insect infested places but it was totally a daft idea. The Germans had a much more sensible out look in having long pants and rolled up sleeves for white troops.
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Be aware that the Eureka Gurkhas are available either in shorts or trousers - make sure you let Nic know which version you prefer when ordering!
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Top advice. Many thanks
Ignatieff
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A bit of threadomancy here...
What has happened on the Highlander front since this was originally posted. Do we have any WWI Scots in kilts and aprons by now? It's a bit shit, really, if we don't.
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Great War Miniatures do them (early war and also late war with tin hats and tam o' shanters - I think those ones were available at the time of the original post) and so do Musketeer (early war).
Keep up, slowcoach, will you? ;)
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Well, good news. I was looking at Great War but couldn't see any in kilts.
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Then I put it to you sir, that you must have searched in too hasty and careless a manner.
They are indeed there, though granted the picture is small.
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Musketeer highlanders seems nice:
http://www.musketeer-miniatures.com/store.php?r=20&rule=Historical&id=50
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how about converting plastic napoleonic highlanders?
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To much work.
We are still in the same spot with Gurkha command and/or kukhris drawn, aren't we?
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Then I put it to you sir, that you must have searched in too hasty and careless a manner.
They are indeed there, though granted the picture is small.
Indeed. I tend to brows in a rather cavalier manner but here I also have to deal with one of my pet peeves again: no or too small bloody images.
Could you tell me what the difference is between the Highland and Lowland uniforms (trousers?) and how do early and late war uniforms differ (Glenngary vs. steel pot?, long-tie rug over shoulder?).
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The late war fellows have tin hats and small box resipirators, both of which are out of place on a figure intended for 1914-15 gaming. They are also kitted out for some kind of a big show, laden down with kit including shovels and such (an unimaginable amount of stuff was taken over the top by 1917, all thought necessary to prepare the captured position for the inevitable Boche counter-attack that they knew would surely come). This is also something not so characteristic of the early part of the war.
Scots Lowland troops dressed the same as any other British regiments apart from their rather natty Glengarry hats.
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The late war fellows have tin hats and small box resipirators, both of which are out of place on a figure intended for 1914-15 gaming. They are also kitted out for some kind of a big show, laden down with kit including shovels and such (an unimaginable amount of stuff was taken over the top by 1917, all thought necessary to prepare the captured position for the inevitable Boche counter-attack that they knew would surely come).
Scots Lowland troops were kitted out the same as any other British regiments apart from their rather natty Glengarry hats.
Thank you. You are a well of knowledge, Dylan.
Hmm... those respirators are rather unsightly for my purposes (NWF). I just ordered the Early War command group for the bagpiper alone(I threw in a couple of Stoke mortars for good measure), they rest are to be rekitted with Wolseleys later together with the Musketeer Scots I also just ordered.
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That's a good idea. Put Wolseleys on early war highlanders and they would do for Palestine on a cold day. Might give that a go. What would really be nice would be highlanders in shirt sleeve order though. Ordinary early war Brits in shirt sleeves would be nice too. Could use 'em for Gallipoli.
Sorry, I'm daydreaming now.
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What would really be nice would be highlanders in shirt sleeve order though.
It certainly would. But one has to make do in these troubled times of not getting everything one wants. :)
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early war Brits in shirt sleeves would be nice too. Could use 'em for Gallipoli.
Sorry, I'm daydreaming now.
IIRC Soapy does some, take a look at Woodbine.
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Gun crew and ANZACs in shirt sleeves, yes. No Brits, though. The ANZACs don't really fit the bill. Too much variety and half of them are in shorts. What I have in mind are ones in the same gear as the Brits they do, just not wearing their jackets.
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Gun crew and ANZACs in shirt sleeves, yes. No Brits, though. The ANZACs don't really fit the bill. Too much variety and half of them are in shorts. What I have in mind are ones in the same gear as the Brits they do, just not wearing their jackets.
Speaking of another crew in sleeves: the HLBSC WWI British artillery crew is a bit funny looking, aren't they? I just painted a set and when I notice they have hands as big as their heads. It looks like heads and bodies have been sculpted by different sculptors.
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Yes, they are a bit odd. I still like them though and I don't find it too noticeable on the finished figures.
In fact three of mine are getting their first outing in a game tonight playing the role of a mortar crew.
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That's a good idea. Put Wolseleys on early war highlanders and they would do for Palestine on a cold day. Might give that a go. What would really be nice would be highlanders in shirt sleeve order though. Ordinary early war Brits in shirt sleeves would be nice too. Could use 'em for Gallipoli.
Sorry, I'm daydreaming now.
Hey! who said you could enter my dream? lol I agree, this would be ideal. The fact is none of the existing availbale figures fit the bill, or even get close, and the latest releases (Woodbine) dont look right - kilts are too chunky for a start.
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Woodbine do figures in kilts now? Where have you seen those?
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Hey! who said you could enter my dream? lol I agree, this would be ideal. The fact is none of the existing availbale figures fit the bill, or even get close, and the latest releases (Woodbine) dont look right - kilts are too chunky for a start.
Musketeer are quite nice, I think. I'll have to convert them quite a bit for them to play the part of 192? Gordon Highlanders, NWF setting.
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Woodbine do figures in kilts now? Where have you seen those?
Duh! Jet lagged, sorry. Musketeer. They are better than whats out there, but not right. We've a great colour print of my dad's dad as an Argyle & Sutherland Highlander in WW1, and the look is much more sleek than these figures. People were skinnier then and the kit sat better than these figs. Maybe I am being picky on these because I know what they should be like...
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I've got Scottish blood but I don't give hoot. I'm content with well fed men in heavy kilts. :)
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I've got Scottish blood but I don't give hoot. I'm content with well fed men in heavy kilts. :)
Good for you mate, I'm Scottish and I do!!! ;) ;) ;)