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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Thunderchicken on March 27, 2008, 03:53:57 PM
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Hi all,
I'm in the process of scratch building some VSF goodies and cant put off covering them in rivets any longer. Just wondered what other pople have used for rivets. Advice on any scale will do.
Many thanks.
TC
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I've used dots of white glue or epoxy to get a rivet effect for my Necromunda vehicles
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depends how big (or small) you want them but a lot of the aftermarket truck model companies like KFS sell them in resin along with bolt heads etc etc. Most truck kits are 1/24th though although some of the 1/50th would be ideal
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Antenociti's workshop do some nice rivets that you simply cut off and glue on. I haven't used them but have seen some pretty impressive stuff done with them.
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I am the proud owner of a nifty little pewter thingummybob with rivet or nut shaped indentures of various sized into which you push the heated end of plastic sprue. Shave that end off when it's cool and, hey presto!, you have a rivet to glue on your steam contraption.
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I just use various strengths of plastic rod for rivets and screws. Works well enough for me. Try to get as clean a cut as possible, and after the glue has set, gently sand over the whole set of rivets to get a more even finish.
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Friend of mine put rivets on his 28mm gunboat by cutting off the heads of clothing pins, the more flatheaded type. He had a bit of pin left connected to the head and simply hammered or pushed them in to the boat material.
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For smaller rivets (or rivets in smaller scales, either way), I've gotten good results using very thin plastic sheet (.010" usually) and embossing rivetheads into it - especially good if you want a line of rivets along the edge of a sheet.
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Takes a bit of practice but you soon get the hang of it.
Drill holes where you want the rivets. Insert plastic rod about half the size of the rivet you want.
Hold the -lighted- end of a cigarette approximately 1cm from the plastic rod.
Do not touch the plastic rod!.
Almost immediately the plastic rod will form a sort of dome that lies flat against the surface of your model. Ideal for bigger rivets on 'pulpy' vehicles.
BTW also a good way if you've rigged your biplane with plastic sprue and the wires have sagged a bit. Just hold a burning cigarette an inch or so from the wires and they will snap taut.
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I use this object ... with a thiny plastic card.
(http://pan.priceminister.com/photo/713404098_L.jpg)
Absolutly no idea about the english name for that.
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It's a punch.
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Takes a bit of practice but you soon get the hang of it.
Drill holes where you want the rivets. Insert plastic rod about half the size of the rivet you want.
Hold the -lighted- end of a cigarette approximately 1cm from the plastic rod.
Do not touch the plastic rod!.
Almost immediately the plastic rod will form a sort of dome that lies flat against the surface of your model. Ideal for bigger rivets on 'pulpy' vehicles.
BTW also a good way if you've rigged your biplane with plastic sprue and the wires have sagged a bit. Just hold a burning cigarette an inch or so from the wires and they will snap taut.
Interesting technique. Doesn't it warp the plastic sheet the rivet is imbedded in? Wouldn't a solderig iron give you more control?
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It's a punch.
I'll try to remember
thanks for helping improving my english :)
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Hammershield,
No, not a problem at all. I'll try to take some pictures of some WIP this weekend.
I mostly use 0.20 thou plastic card for building or converting models and it doesn't warp at all. The -Slaters- plastic rod absorbs all of the heat apparently.
Haven't tried it with a soldering iron yet, but this may be a better solution for a non- smoker :-)
Yes, I'm still addicted to the weed....
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As promised some pics of the technique I use for rivets.
Not great pictures but you will probably get the general idea.
According to Murphy's Law I found out that I had no suitable plastic rod anymore and had to use strecthed sprue for this demo.
As a result the rivets are a bit uneven, but that is only because I had to use a square/oblong sprue.
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7787/vehicle001ni5.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vehicle001ni5.jpg)
This is the vehicle in question. It's a VSF thingie -actually an armoured tricycle powered by a poor Schutztruppe Askari. It will have an MG and gunner. The armoured front door is still missing and that's what we'll use .
Here the plastic rod is inserted into a pre-drilled hole.
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8286/plasticrodinsertedbd8.th.jpg) (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasticrodinsertedbd8.jpg)
Heat from cigarette is applied- do not touch the rod!
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9214/vehiclecigarette001wc4.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vehiclecigarette001wc4.jpg)
After a few seconds the plastic rod will start to 'shrink' forming an almost perfect dome.
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1293/vehiclecigarette002ww6.th.jpg) (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vehiclecigarette002ww6.jpg)
And here's the result. Not as good as usual but as I said that's because I had to use a very uneven stretched sprue and not plastic rod.
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6108/vehiclerivetba6.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vehiclerivetba6.jpg)
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Thanks so much for the great ideas. I think WillieB gets first prize for most original method!! Now to take up smoking again.
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Thanks so much for the great ideas. ...Now to take up smoking again.
Yeah, THAT's a great idea.
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Just as a postscript to this thread my other half came up with a rather simple solution. Lentils! Yep, good old red split lentils.
While spouting about rivets last night my other half was cooking. Usually when I speak of all things wargaming she switches off and periodically nods. However this time she held out a palm full of lentils and simply said "will these work?". Two things happened at this point; the genius of the idea struck me and I was stunned by the fact she actually listens to me.
Anyway, I set about sifting through the packet and hey presto it's a possibility. It's easy to find a good handfull which are prefectly round and fit the bill. The things us gamers do..............
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Indeed sheer genius and does your wife/girlfriend/partner has a sister?
:lol:
Another use you might consider is split peas for cobblestones. Looks really great if you lightly wash them with a watery 'plaster' solution afterwards.
Keep in mind that you have to varnish/protect them quite well. Even dried they will eventually start to well... rot
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Anyone find a use for root vegetables? :lol:
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Anyone find a use for root vegetables? :lol:
Steady! It's before the watershed dontcha know! Mind you I've always found Butternut squash rather amusing:
http://www.thegeminiweb.com/babyboomer/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/Butternut_squash.jpg
WillieB, she does have a sister. She's gorgeous and single. My other half is an air stewardess and her sister is about to join her at the airline. I'm a lucky man!!
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Anyone find a use for root vegetables? :lol:
Steady! It's before the watershed dontcha know! Mind you I've always found Butternut squash rather amusing:
http://www.thegeminiweb.com/babyboomer/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/Butternut_squash.jpg
WillieB, she does have a sister. She's gorgeous and single. My other half is an air stewardess and her sister is about to join her at the airline. I'm a lucky man!!
Did I tell you that I am available for hot dates with gorgeous single ladies anytime, just give her my number and tell her to call me. :D
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I see myself becoming a pimp here. I shall explore my fathers wardrobe for the ubiquitous platform shoes and fur (not that he was ever a pimp, he just had the appearance of one. And that was only last week :lol: ).
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I see myself becoming a pimp here. I shall explore my fathers wardrobe for the ubiquitous platform shoes and fur (not that he was ever a pimp, he just had the appearance of one. And that was only last week :lol: ).
I thought you dressed like that most of the time anyway :lol:
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I see myself becoming a pimp here. I shall explore my fathers wardrobe for the ubiquitous platform shoes and fur (not that he was ever a pimp, he just had the appearance of one. And that was only last week :lol: ).
I thought you dressed like that most of the time anyway :lol:
I know where you live. :lol:
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I know where you live. :lol:
Bugger :o
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This is what I call riveting drama!
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Hey, Hey,
I asked first!
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Hey, Hey,
I asked first!
Snooze you loose brother! :lol:
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Has anyone considered using rivets as rivets.
Whilst pondering the problem of what to use I came across this company
http://www.sapphireproducts.co.uk/4620t1.htm
I gave them a call and explained that I was a modeller. I spoke to a very helpful guy called Richard and after a discussion about VSF, jules verne etc etc he sent me a few free samples.
I've yet to use them, but when I do all I'll need to do is drill a hole and glue them in.
They make all manner of rivets in all sorts of materials.
May be worth considering.
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This is the vehicle in question. It's a VSF thingie -actually an armoured tricycle powered by a poor Schutztruppe Askari. It will have an MG and gunner.
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7787/vehicle001ni5.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vehicle001ni5.jpg)
I look forward to seeing this when it's complete.
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we've got quite a few rivets and various nuts & bolts, especially good stuff for VSF - they are all scale-accurate varieties from a railway accessory store in the USA (Grandtline) and they are fantastic, covering all sorts of shapes and sizes.
Here are some we used on a FOW 15mm vehicle conversion:
(http://barrule.com/jeds/fow/famo88/wip/63.jpg)
(http://barrule.com/jeds/fow/famo88/wip/64.jpg)
here for our limited range http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/scratch%20builders%20paradise/Augmentables.html or go here for the GrandtLine full range: http://www.grandtline.com/model_railroad/augmentables_pages.htm
other types include:
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/128.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/16.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/5096.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/5066.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/scale%20rivets.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/18.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/15.gif)
(http://www.barrule.com/Workshop/images/products/grandtline/62.gif)
The full grandtline range covers many scales and as its all railway stuff goes back to victorian era nuts&bolts etc for railway engines and carriages. They are all plastic cast and very well produced - you just cut them off the sprue and apply with a dab of glue.
For the rivets the best method i have found is to put the glue on the model, then transfer the rivet using a cocktail stick with a dab of spit on the end to pick up the rivet - when you place it the glue grabs it off the stick.
Nuts & bolts etc you can easily pick up with tweezers.
hope that helps.
jed
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Hi Jed,
Ordered some smooth rivets from you Monday for collection at Salute.
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Antenociti's rivets are very nice... I have purchased and used them and they are very good.
He also sells a plastic sheet of rivets that you cut out and use. These are very nice too.
I also use what is called a half bead that is sold in craft shops. They come in packs of 100 and are usually black in color and sold in various sizes like 2mm, 4mm, 6mm etc. These are sometimes used as the black insert for plastic 'eyes' which are also sold in the same area as the half beads or half balls. The flat half is easily glued to the surface and they look great as rivets.