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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Christian on January 07, 2013, 12:23:23 PM
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I don't seem to have a picture, but in most pictures of Tyranids in the literature there are bases of swarms of gribbly creatures. What are they called?
I can't seem to find out more and would like some... need to know where to start :)
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Rippers... just the same as they are now.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/TYRANID-RIPPERS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/TYRANID-RIPPER-SWARMS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/TYRANID-RIPPERS-WITH-WINGS.html
There was a suggestion that the Milliasaurs and similar creatures that were in Necromunda were off-shoots... but I'm not sure.
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I think it might actually be these "Squigs":
(http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2008/11/29/2083_md-.jpg)
Anyone got anything clearer, possibly painted? I realise I have a couple in my collection!
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In the modern fluff squigs are an Ork thing.
Sorry, I have no idea.
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In the modern fluff squigs are an Ork thing.
Sorry, I have no idea.
Squigs were originally a part of Tyranids. Some kind of playing with Ork's genetic.
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I would also say they are rippers
(wow..hope I could find those squigs..)
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I don't seem to have a picture, but in most pictures of Tyranids in the literature there are bases of swarms of gribbly creatures. What are they called?
I can't seem to find out more and would like some... need to know where to start :)
In 2nd edition, they were squigs, the result of the Tyranids absorbing Ork DNA, and when they Orcs attempted to rescue their comrades, they recognized the innate Orkiness of the creatures, and took them home. AT least, originally that was what they were.
I love the old quirky stuff. I may have a few of them around here somewhere. I have used no small amount of them in conversions and such.
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I have the old 2nd edition tyranids book and as far as I can recall there was no talk about squigs in it and I read that book front to back and back to front many times. They did have ripper swarms in that book though. I love the old tyranids minis. The new ones look cooler but I still like the old ones.
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In 2nd edition, they were squigs, the result of the Tyranids absorbing Ork DNA, and when they Orcs attempted to rescue their comrades, they recognized the innate Orkiness of the creatures, and took them home. AT least, originally that was what they were.
I love the old quirky stuff. I may have a few of them around here somewhere. I have used no small amount of them in conversions and such.
That's how I remember it. The rescue mission had become a myth amongst Orks.
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I have the old 2nd edition tyranids book and as far as I can recall there was no talk about squigs in it and I read that book front to back and back to front many times. They did have ripper swarms in that book though. I love the old tyranids minis. The new ones look cooler but I still like the old ones.
The 2nd Edition rulebook was the first major revision of Tyranid history. Prior to that, the rules list was somewhat different - you had Squigs, Zoats, Cultists, Hunter-Slayers, and Screamer-Killers. It was modified through White Dwraf issues, and then culminated in the 2nd Ed codex, which is where they pulled most of the odder history out.
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Don't forget Mind Slaves as well -and all the cool old Genestealer cult stuff like Brood Brothers! 8)
It was WD 145 that had the best Tyranid army list.
Squigs were based 9 to a 40mm monster base I seem to remember and as has been said were recycled Orks 8)
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That 2nd ed Tyranid list was great as it included the rules for genestealer cults in it also. GW should bring back stealer cults. they were a really interesting part of the tyranid force.
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if anyone has those small squigs and want to depart of them please let me know
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That 2nd ed Tyranid list was great as it included the rules for genestealer cults in it also. GW should bring back stealer cults. they were a really interesting part of the tyranid force.
Even just to let you take imperial gueard as allies would have been enough, but I guess not. Still, I dont play competiton games and I think most people would be happy to play against a well made cult. I used to use the gaunt stats as hybrids, which works well enough. I did have a 1500 genestealer cult, till I sold it last year....
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Year, back in those days the writers had to make entire army lists out of only few a ranges of miniatures, hence all the cross overs you got in the early years.
Andy
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Found a copule of the old little squigs in a random box the other day, funnily enough. Pretty sure they don't feature in the 2nd Ed book (got it but don't feel the need to check it). They do, however, like so many things that GW now claim to have no memory of, appear in the various 2nd Ed 40k rulebooks in at least one battle scene photo. So they sort of survived in 2nd Ed, albeit in a superficial way! They are of course more commonly associated with Orks - that's where I got mine, they used to pack one with each blister pack of Painboyz, Mekaniaks etc. Back when GW had some concept of flavour.
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It's as Sinewgrab says. The White Dwarf army list, with the squigs, brood-brothers, mindslaves and genestealer hybrids were were the first list after the genestealer cult and genestealer-only lists. It was the first time, after Advanced Space Crusade, the tyranids were merged with the old Genestealers and zoats as a single entity/race.
The Big Squig miniatures were based on John Blanche sketches and illustrations from Advanced Space Crusade and I guess the squigs were thrown in just to create swarms.
(Now I'm getting all nostalgic!)
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And they were mentioned in Ian Watson's Space Marine novel...
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Not swarms, but old scans from the 1st ed. White Dwarf tyranid list I just found on an old back-up disc:
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/1BroodBro_zpsc4ff28f6.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/1mindslave_zpsc992aeb7.jpg)
O, those were the days! 8)
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Agreed. Those are some cool rules
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Wow! I hadn't checked back on this for a little while... certainly some interesting discussion.
This question actually arose from dabbling in Advanced Space Crusade and getting some ideas for making some counters (and encounters!)... I think one of the "stranger" encounters is a guy who has is impregnated with an alien that promptly bursts out of him.
That Big Squig 2 figure would be great for something like that!
The only disappointing thing about ASC was the omission of the Genestealer Magus - despite being able to field Genestealers and Hybrids!
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Never played ASC but that seems to be a rather bad ommission. Were you able to use a Patriarch?
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I believe the reasoning behind it was that the game (A.S.C.) was inside a tyranid ship. The Genestealer Cult magus and patriarch on an isolated planet function to prepare the planet disrupting civilisation and as a beacon to attract the hivefleet. Inside a tyrannid ship everything would be run by the hivemind, so no need at all for both. If I remember well all living tissue on an invaded planet would be absorbed completely, including the genestealer cult themselves (?). On the ship one would only find various critters spawned by tyranid queens, or whatever it is that breeds them. 8)
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Strange then that there would be hybrids as the magus was essentially just a hybrid itself. Was ASC also called tyranids attack or was that a completely differs game?
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I believe Tyranid Attack was either an expansion or a reiteration of the same game for a different country. I'm thinking the latter...
Actually, area23 makes a good point. Genestealer cults are part of an expeditionary force of sorts... and from the fluff Magi emerge from years of evolutionary breeding. Which stands to reason that they're not a ship... but then why the Hybrids?
Well, just because the game boards were the innards of a Tyranid ship, you could also play using early versions of the Space Hulk board, too.
I guess you could set up a ship where the Tyranid part still in the process of taking over a ship... or something. I don't know :)
But I do have the urge to make 3D tiles... ::) project number 7,345...
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Tyranid Attack was a separate game, actually. Deathwing and Genestealer were the add-ons for Advanced Space Crusade, if I remember correctly. I probably don't, being as that was about 20 years ago, but I owned all of them at one time.
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Deathwing and genestealer were the add ins to space hulk. One of them had hybrids in it which is quite in line with all the fluff. I must paint all my hybrids one day
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Games Workshop released Advanced Space Crusade and Advanced Hero Quest as sequals to the popular Space Crusade and Heroquest.
But since MB Games had the copyright to the names Hero Quest and Space Crusade GW was not allowed to continue to use the names at some point or had to pay to keep using them.
As a result GW made Advanced Space Crusade into Tyranid Attack and Advanced Hero Quest became Warhammer Quest.
Advanced Space Crusade and Tyranid Attack use the same tiles and some of the miniatures, but I think Tyranid Attack is made much more simple, but I am not 100% sure what parts are similar or different.
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Games Workshop released Advanced Space Crusade and Advanced Hero Quest as sequals to the popular Space Crusade and Heroquest.
But since MB Games had the copyright to the names Hero Quest and Space Crusade GW was not allowed to continue to use the names at some point or had to pay to keep using them.
As a result GW made Advanced Space Crusade into Tyranid Attack and Advanced Hero Quest became Warhammer Quest.
Advanced Space Crusade and Tyranid Attack use the same tiles and some of the miniatures, but I think Tyranid Attack is made much more simple, but I am not 100% sure what parts are similar or different.
Maybe this (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13113.msg151577#msg151577) helps
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Thanks :D
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Tyranid Attack was released in the same range as Battlefleet Gothic and some other other games, I cant remmember which, that were small boxed, stand alone games, presumably to have a stab at the board game market.
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I never actually owned an army for 2nd Edition 40k but I picked up some random models and the Tyranid Codex simply because they looked great and the stories were cool...and Space Hulk 2nd edition was one of the first games I played.
Always wished I'd been able to play some of the older things like first edition Space Hulk and Space Crusade, when I was a very small kid I'd read through my Uncles old White Dwarfs and the articles on those were always fun.
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Tyranid Attack was released in the same range as Battlefleet Gothic and some other other games, I cant remmember which, that were small boxed, stand alone games, presumably to have a stab at the board game market.
I think you are thinking of the some other game, the small boxed starter games were Spacefleet, which was later Battlefleet Gothic, Kerrunch, which was a light version of Blood Bowl, Ultra Marine, which was marine scouts battling it out on Space Hulk tiles and the last was some Fantasy game which I think was a light version of Advanced Hero Quest.
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Wikipedia:
Warhammer Fantasy universe
Advanced HeroQuest
Kerrunch - a simplified version of Blood Bowl.
Man O' War - a game of naval combat in a fantasy world. Two expansions were also released, Sea of Blood and Plague Fleet.
Mighty Warriors - a simplified version of Advanced HeroQuest.
Warhammer Quest - a game of dungeon exploration and questing, effectively an updated version of Advanced HeroQuest.
Warhammer 40,000 universe
Adeptus Titanicus (original game in the Epic series, which concerned combat between Titans.)
Codex Titanicus - expansion rules for same
Advanced Space Crusade
Bommerz over da Sulphur River (Board game using Epic miniatures.)
Epic 40,000 (precursor to Epic Armageddon, although some people still use the terms interchangeably, alongside Epic.)
Gorkamorka
Digganob (an expansion for Gorkamorka)
Lost Patrol
Space Fleet (Simple spaceship combat game from before Battlefleet Gothic)
Space Hulk (three editions were published, expansions are listed below)
Deathwing (expansion boxed set)
Genestealer (expansion boxed set)
Space Hulk Campaigns (expansion book in both soft and hard-cover)
Space Marine (original Epic-scale game concerning troops and infantry, 1st edition is a pair with Adeptus Titanicus, 2nd with Titan Legions)
Titan Legions (effectively an expansion of Space Marine, though it extended the game system)
Tyranid Attack
Ultra Marines - introductory game in same series as Space Hulk