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Title: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on January 15, 2013, 09:02:03 PM

Just toying with ideas... :)

Having re-read Anno Dracula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Dracula) I became curious about the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_extraordinary_gentlemen) and was thrilled to discover it already existed in the 18th C. -my favorite period- as the Gulliver Fellowship (http://lxg.wikia.com/wiki/Gulliver%27s_Fellowship).
Since I prefer the time of the War of Austrian Succession I have no qualm to modify some birth dates to have it already active by 1745 -'alternate histories' in the Multiverse (not even a Moorcockian one) are not exactly 'superimposable' for deaths, so why they would be for birth? And following the example of Kim Newman, whose recurring characters are not exactly the same from a 'time-line' to another.

The Gulliver Fellowship fits directly in the period, but what about the Diogenes Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_Club) and, 'worse',  Torchwood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood_Institute) officially created in 1879 -and which may pose problems of ©®™ IP? Answer: *to merge them*!
 I suggest that by the time of the Lace Wars 'Torchwood' was already the self-given nickname of the informal group formed by Francis Bacon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon), yet still (semi-)officially known by the British Crown only as Bookworm, the 'innocuous' name initially given by Bacon to his secret gathering of scholars specially knowledgeable in the esoteric and the occult (because of the time they spent perusing 'many a quaint and curious volume of a forgotten lore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzR4cyTL2Gc)'). 'Torchwood' -a counter-reference to Wormwood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duST2l6c0sQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duST2l6c0sQ)
- is to become its official name only when the group receives more official support with the creation of the Torchwood Institute; for it, or at least its secret HQ, Mycroft Holmes is to found the Diogenes Club as a cover, and it will copied far later in America by 'The Threshold (http://strange-aeons.ca/sa/?page_id=3)'.
Since the mid-17th C. those (very few) outsiders suspecting its existence often referred to it -or at least to its 'directorial board'- as the 'Invisible College': a confusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_College)? Probably not entirely (http://www.hypergeek.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Defoe-2-3-low-res.jpg).
Currently the apparent Chairman of 'Bookworm' is M(other), a portly more than middle-aged man with an old-fashioned wig, always in a wheelchair (http://janeaustensworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/wheelchair-barry-lyndon1.jpg) generally pushed by a statuesque, if a little manly, blonde.


Back to the Gulliver Fellowship (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.0), since it is already active in 1745 Lady Blakeney is obviously not the Marguerite (http://www.thepimpernel.com/img/gallery/stills1/img101.jpg) of the French Revolution: several hints (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Dilwnimo0MI/S3B5KYg2w5I/AAAAAAAAByI/YFnGWa2akCE/s400/18%C2%B0CCivFemalfemcarnaval-de-venise.jpg) point to Venetian Clarimonde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarimonde) later to be known as 'Venus' (and in fact none else than Amber St. Clare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forever_Amber_%28novel%29)). Here the Blakeney will part in the late 1780, and while he becomes the Scarlet Pimpernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Pimpernel) in Paris she reappears in Venice as La Bianca Paloma (http://vesper-on.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=12&lang=en); currently she goes very, very well with Fanny 'Mana Peel' Hill. According to their centuries old tradition England and France are at war, yet Orlando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_%28comics%29#Orlando) currently serves the French Crown in London as the Chevalier d'Eon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_D%27Eon) (would require 2 figurines!): but patriotic loyalties are irrelevant when facing dreadful supernatural threats.


Of course other secret private organizations and State services would exist, cooperating or competing with the Gulliver Fellowship and its sometimes employer Wormbook: Freemasons, the Prieuré de Sion, the Templars successors (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/inspiration-for-a-moonlit-night-in-lusitania-game-t365788.html#p2200721), the Jesuits, perhaps already Iscariota, the 'Assassination' branch of the Pope's secret services Section XIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iscariot_%28Hellsing%29)...   and obviously various Evil Cults.
As other possible 'factions' what about La Fraternité de Jean le Presbytre (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg775694#msg775694), the Sons of the Martyrs (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg775695#msg775695), a kind of 18th C. Bene Gesserit (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg775696#msg775696) and the Bennet Circle (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg776280#msg776280)?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rjFtgutaNyk/Tnj2a0ZfPuI/AAAAAAAACe0/1H--7eGu1rw/s1600/COReye.jpg)
Note that according to their ethos these diverse companies / factions will vary in their attitude toward 'modern' / 'futuristic' weapons (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=62077.msg744799#msg744799): 'traditionalists' such as the Priory of Sion and the Templars are likely to shun them, 'modernists' such as the Free Masons, and pre-Torchwood of instrinsic 'Lacepunk (http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?382-Lacepunk)' nature, will probably favor them, for instance using 'galvanic' weapons (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278962), throwing Leyden jars rather than holy water at 'supernatural' creatures.

Various characters can be added to the cast such as a young Baron Münchhausen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_M%C3%BCnchhausen), the Comte de Saint Germain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comte_de_saint_germain), Cagliostro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagliostro) if born some 20 years earlier in this time-line, Edmund Blackadder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._E._Blackadder) with Baldrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldrick#Blackadder_the_Third)... as well as Geneviève d'Isle Dieudonné (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genevi%C3%A8ve_Dieudonn%C3%A9) (Geneviève Sylvie, in this time and place; probably in Bookworm / Torchwood service) and some incarnation of Jeremy Cornelius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Cornelius) (aka 'Dr Who'), Una Persson von Bek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Una_Persson) and Catherine Cornelius de Barra.
 



(http://vesper-on.com/images/stories/Miniaturas/Dotados/Blanca_Paloma.jpg)

Miniatures, specially in and around the 28mm size, abound.

As for rules, there is a cornucopia of choice: those specially written for the period (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=48846.0) or for the 'Pike & Shot' times (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=32208.0) or for witch finding / hunting; but popular sets intended for 'Victorian times' or even later can certainly be adapted. Strange Aeons was successfully 'transposed' to the 18th C. (http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.fr/search/label/Strange%20Aeons%2018th%20century), Chaos in Carpathia can be played with figurines in tricornes; but the recent Empire of the Dead (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=44911.msg524220#msg524220) would probably be specially adequate (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=276792) for a 'Diogenes Club / Torchwood' setting -mainly give to 'lacepunk (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81)' weapons the stats of the 'steampunk' original ones. Vampires appeared in Western European literature in  1748 at the latest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_literature#Eighteenth_century) and at least one great EOTD 'fan' faction (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=44911.msg523789#msg523789) *has* to already exist in the 18th C. (http://laughingferret.blogspot.fr/2012/08/death-walks-streets-of-london-1888_18.html).


Given that in EOTD a faction has at most 2 'characters' the Gulliver Fellowship can provide several such. 'Wormwood' is more likely to stay in the background as a NPC 'employer', though it can provide a team (as in 'Anno Dracula') or a single (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnacki) top-level field investigator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jeperson). For the Gulliver Fellows the 'muscle' filling the ranks of the faction could be recruited among highwaymen  (http://ratmmjess.tripod.com/timeline1.html) ('highwaypersons', more generally, think the 'Wicked Lady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicked_Lady)') and robbers. An agent of  Wormwood would probably have a more official support: Privateer Press Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units) look adequate to depict an  'initiated' SWAT section (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=48884.0) of the  Bow Street Runners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_Street_Runners).

(http://privateerpress.com/files/products/GunMages2011.jpg)



I'm retired *also* as a wargamer, and in addition isolated and such 'campaign' does not look propitious to solo play. So I just hope someone younger and more 'active' will pick up the general idea -and then will post his/her achievements somewhere on the web.
You know, we elderlies enjoy to watch younger people doing what we can no longer do ourselves :D

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: smokezombie on January 15, 2013, 09:39:07 PM

Sorry, I can't take the baton... But I really liked your post. Some cracking ideas in there. Well thought out.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: shadowking1957 on January 16, 2013, 08:50:18 AM

Brilliant  setting and some of my favorite characters, very well done indeed. who makes the floating  female with the  Dove if i can ask?

Getting me thinking about female pirates and  wolrds  hehhheh

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on January 16, 2013, 09:09:58 AM

The White Dove is a character of the 'Lovecraft in late 18th C. Venice' game Carnevale of Vesper-on Games (http://www.vesper-on.com/index.php?lang=en)

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2761/retoooscurocontrapatric.jpg)
(http://www.vesper-on.com/images/stories/posts/Blanca_paloma_green.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on January 16, 2013, 01:58:01 PM

The Carnevale minis are fine sculpts -though some are in a pose too 'dynamic' to be 'generic', but I'm afraid they are on the 'large' (33+mm?) size.

The same for the Laughing Monk 'NOT brotherhood of the Wolf' (http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=815_816&sort=3a) minis
(http://eurekamin.com.au/images/shadowforge/lm0013.jpg)
(Fanny Hill?)

and Fenryll Chasseur de Sorcières (http://fenryll.com/fr/34-morts-vivants)
(http://fenryll.com/391-488-large/chasseur-de-sorciere.jpg)
(Nathaniel "Hawkeye" Bumppo in 'English' dress?)



On the other hand the minis of the boardgame 'A touch of Evil (http://www.flyingfrog.net/atouchofevil/index.html)' (some available separately (http://stores.homestead.com/FlyingFrogProductions/Detail.bok?no=22)) are inferior sculpts but seemingly of 'traditional' 28mm size.
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1483821_md.jpg)
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1483819_md.jpg)
(http://blog.gamesparadise.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/evilfigures.jpg)
(Btw the two young women in gown would be adequate to represent two of the Bennet sisters (http://www.comicmix.com/reviews/2009/04/28/review-pride-and-prejudice-and-zombies-by-jane-austen-and-seth-grahame-smith/) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JdPvyy93I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JdPvyy93I)
by the time of Fontenoy and Culloden (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81#p612) :D)

Freebooter Assassins (http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/miniatures/assassins) are said to be compatible with 'mainstream' ranges.
(http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/sites/default/files/pub/shop/ASS003_jbt_01_5576.jpg)
(http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/sites/default/files/pub/shop/ASS008_jh_7802.jpg)




 ???LINKS for those curious about Lacepulp (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-28.html#p2200848) (mid-18th C. Horror) and Lacepunk (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/mid-18th-c-sci-fi-lacepunk-t365067.html) (mid-18th C. Sci-Fi) :)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on January 21, 2013, 08:32:26 PM

I don't know about their current availability, but with their huge zweihänder
Magnificent Egos (male) Pilgrim
(http://images.frpgames.org/products/product_46185.jpg)

and (female) Pilgrim Reincarnate
(http://www.veltd.net/32mm/VEL1077.jpg)
would make *great* 18th C. monster hunters / witchers (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=137) (sorcelier and sorceliere, to give them a name more 'exotic' and with a less restrictive obvious etymology, for you anglophones).
(http://theotakusblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/witcher1.jpg)


Now, the 18th C. equivalent of Torchwood / Threshold agents, just like their modern counterparts, would appear as civilians with unobtrusive weapons. Such minis can be found in several 'pirates' ranges, among Foundry Moonfleet-type 'smugglers'..;. Seemingly the Rattrap 'Characters of Gevaudan' are out of stock? Westwind have some useable figurines in their 'Sleepy Hollow' range, but the most appropriate minis come probably from the F&IW armed settlers, e.g. from Galloping Major (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=28285.msg582497#msg582497):
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/SettlersCC1a.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on February 13, 2013, 04:34:57 PM

Specially for a multi-players campaign there is a wide choice of potential part-time allies (while Torchwood is roughly the European equivalent of the Pangaean Hoellesingen-Organisation (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120), but having to face more diverse (http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2013/feb/1453009344a.jpg)... 'monstrosities (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=169#p589)') and rivals / arch-enemies (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.msg584536#msg584536):

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fva8IVPinXg/UQKcohYb6FI/AAAAAAAAKC0/nIvPi2UsGy0/s1600/%E2%80%A00%C2%AEcI%CC%80w00%E2%88%86.jpg)



For French colleagues (members of the 'Cabinet Esotérique' of the Secret du Roi, its field operatives led by one Guy De Vere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore) known in some circles as El Desdichado (http://www.poesie.net/nerval3.htm)), some characters from 'Brotherhood of the Wolf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_the_Wolf)' are obvious choices: Gregoire de Fronsac and Mani (so reminiscent of Hubert "Double Scalp" de la Pâte Feuilletée and Oumpah-Pah (http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?284-The-Lemuel-Gulliver-Fellowship&p=584&viewfull=1#post584))
(http://static-illicoweb.videotron.com/illicoweb/static/webtv/images/content/player/pacte_des_loups_vf_WT_Poster.jpg)
and Sylvia (the beautiful courtesan-cum-skilled assassin in the secret service of the Vatican).
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Nilpu9JwRzM/TPMI1ZE7API/AAAAAAAAAm4/F4oBmK_cqUw/s1600/sylvia+and+again.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8c9udG2T3mY/UZvAvD9yHbI/AAAAAAAALRY/4CiL1VaW91U/s1600/%C6%92@n2.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Dilwnimo0MI/RzMyJcGE0oI/AAAAAAAAAds/2j7FIK42Fgg/s1600/BellucciSpider.jpg)
(http://a69.g.akamai.net/n/69/10688/v1/img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/00/02/13/59/143_ph3.jpg)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbLTbeVeZEP3lpmD09gO65KNgM6dkgGcmv6p_zHPSwLgEf34jTm68yJpKwsA)
Now, to really become an Extraordinaire Gente Dame 'Sylvia' can actually be Geneviève Sylvie d'Isle Dieudonné (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genevi%C3%A8ve_Dieudonn%C3%A9) - maybe having received the Witchblade (http://www.deviantart.com/download/94808214/Yancy_Butler_WITCHBLADE_03_by_weaponx5203.jpg) from her dear companion Joan of Arc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfOeANDsXbA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfOeANDsXbA)?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hF1vv3OXKLo/Ux4tqviX0WI/AAAAAAAAMiA/H6fE4ouWRWM/s1600/%C2%A3og0.jpg)

As other possible 'factions' what about La Fraternité de Jean le Presbytre (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg775694#msg775694), the Sons of the Martyrs (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg775695#msg775695), a kind of 18th C. Bene Gesserit (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg775696#msg775696), the Bennet Circle (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg776280#msg776280) and some very 'Lovecraftian' cults (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64347.msg779078#msg779078)?

Note that according to their ethos these diverse companies / factions will vary in their attitude toward 'modern' weapons (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=62077.msg744799#msg744799): 'traditionalists' such as the Priory of Sion and the Templars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38-6LMqo0I) are likely to shun them, 'modernists' such as the Free Masons will probably favor them, for instance using 'galvanic' weapons (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278962), throwing Leyden jars rather than holy water at 'supernatural' creatures.


As for appropriate rules, there is a cornucopia of available sets (http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?288-Rules-for-Lacepulp-games); hard to choose, each seemingly offering original elements: indeed ideally a group effort (given the number of books and supplements to buy, peruse and analyze) would "break the bone and suck out the substance-full marrow"of all this documentation and write the perfect synthesis?

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: ink the troll on February 13, 2013, 09:33:04 PM

Quote from: abdul666lw on January 21, 2013, 08:32:26 PM

I don't know about their current availability, but with their huge zweihänder
Magnificent Egos (male) Pilgrim and (female) Pilgrim Reincarnate would make *great* 18th C. monster hunters (...)

They're still available via Valiant Enterprises Ltd., if that info is of any help.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on February 16, 2013, 09:06:01 AM

 Seemingly Eureka got Moorcock's agreement to produce 'Hawkmoon' miniature (http://mavisming.blogspot.fr/2013/01/hawkmoon-figures-from-eureka-miniatures.html)? From the 1st images the sculpts have some 'Old school' look (http://mavisming.blogspot.fr/2013/02/grabretan-warriors.html).

Relevant here because Flana Mikosevaar could very well be a mysterious 18th C. lady (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.0) wearing a mask (Carnival, fanciful dancing party) and of course she would fit for Carnevale (http://www.vesper-on.com/index.php?lang=en).
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QNJzrtiU1m0/UQ3NLFbU_6I/AAAAAAAABnk/_vyamXOzftA/s320/P2020320.JPG)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: Franz_Josef on February 18, 2013, 06:41:06 AM

Might the origins of the Society have not actually begun even earlier, in the 16th Century?  Perhaps with Dr. John Dee 1527 – 1608, Elizabethan era mathematician, court astrologer, magus and geographer, - and sometime ally of the alchemist and "spirit medium" Edward Kelly aka Edward "Talbot" (who later resided in Prague, employed at the court of the Holy Roman Emperor Rudolf II) and Francis Walsingham, Queen Elizabeth I's spymaster, and Lord Burghley. (employing Walsingham's son-in-law, Sir Philip Sydney, as their muscular right arm)?   They provide a counterweight to the machinations of Catherine de Medici and her favorite astrologer, Nostradamus.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on February 18, 2013, 01:09:51 PM

Excellent suggestion - so much the more as John Dee -according to the most knowledgeable sources- published a translation of the Necronomicon

(http://img2.mlstatic.com/necronomicon-al-azif-abdul-hazared-john-dee_MLB-O-160837639_6599.jpg)
 :D :D :D

Then Francis Bacon is a not unlikely 'heir apparent', then successor, of John Dee.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 08, 2013, 09:36:33 AM

A wargamer regularly granting us with eye-candy and excellent action reports launches into  18th C. Horror (http://adventuresinlead.blogspot.fr/2013/05/18th-century-horror.html):
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Uz9_pMruTCQ/UYmqARyPT6I/AAAAAAAABfQ/ifab2zsRYWw/s400/Don%27t+fire+until+01.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 09, 2013, 04:26:23 PM

I heartily applaud your decision set Operatic Metal music squarely in the 18th century its a perfect companion to your concept.  ;) You can include Solomon Cain in this concept and the undead pirates of "On Stranger Tides". I will have to say I reject  "lacepunk" as a term for this gaming. I can do much better than that!

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 10, 2013, 01:31:55 PM

For some 10 years I've been using 'Lacepulp (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81)' for fantasy/ horror / pulp adventures set in the 18th C. (the age of the 'Lace Wars') as a 'twin' for 'Lacepunk (http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?211-18th-C-swashbuckling-on-Mars-or-in-Mu)' = 18th C. Sci-Fi (based of course on 'steampunk').
Of course the two subgenres can be fruitfully combined (in the same way as some steampunk weapons appear in 'Empire of the Dead'): the same pirates (preferably including many pirettes) can encounter King Kong and dinosaurs (and cave girls in fur bikinis (http://members.optushome.com.au/cynan/Miniatures.htm)) on an island and Dagon worshipers and Deep Ones on another (not on the same island or the campaign will be very short-lived). Some very creative players such as LAF member bogdanwaz  are equally proficient in 18th C. Horror (http://bogdanwaz.blogspot.fr/2012/08/a-devil-in-jersey-chapter-i.html)  and in 18th C. (or slightly earlier (http://bogdanwaz.blogspot.fr/2008/02/space-1683.html)) Science-Fiction (http://bogdanwaz.blogspot.fr/2012/07/ben-franklins-war.html) (he uses 'Clockwork Punk' to cover both).
Some of bogdanwaz':
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m46rCtIf2RM/UE-QYq_9ADI/AAAAAAAABPg/pA9zFBdxlLo/s400/Final%252BConfrontation.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nSFxfbh6_oE/T_xi7LqDNII/AAAAAAAAAvo/MSmkFlI0eCs/s400/Aerial%252BConfrontation.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akgDEiSJsag/R8hj0Qj8W3I/AAAAAAAAAAk/nfGPuk0_GfQ/s400/Phoebus+vs+Deus.jpg)



Give (VSF) Wrath of Kings Herald of Blood (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.288813707872850.71280.161083237312565&type=3) a tricorne (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-42.html#p11408268) (Wargames Factory WSS plastics (http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/horse-and-musket/war-of-spanish-succession-infantry) are a great source of conversion bits)
(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Herald-of-Blood-for-Goritsi.jpg)
and she'll make a great 18th C. / Lacepunk (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51419.0) adventuress wielding a short range 'thunderbolt thrower'.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 10, 2013, 05:44:45 PM

Quote from: kidterminal on May 09, 2013, 04:26:23 PM

I heartily applaud your decision set Operatic Metal music squarely in the 18th century its a perfect companion to your concept.  ;) You can include Solomon Cain in this concept and the undead pirates of "On Stranger Tides". I will have to say I reject  "lacepunk" as a term for this gaming. I can do much better than that!

Sorry that should have read "you" can do better than that. I did not mean to be rude and it sounds rude. I simply meant that you need not add the appellate "punk". There is very little punk in steampunk. Especially since you have such great period phrases like the Grand Guignol.

Please I hope I haven't caused offense with my failure to double check before posting.

 

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 10, 2013, 10:21:31 PM

Oh no offense taken! :)
Steampunk is widely known and understood -even by those disliking the term (and it indeed generally lacks the dystopian atmosphere of cyberpunk, though even Jules Verne himself was not always that optimistic about the future), hence it provides a convenient reference.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Dilwnimo0MI/RvFWhUE9OUI/AAAAAAAAAVM/BeEBs_NXwfc/s1600-h/beg012.jpg)

Btw many among the best of Lovecraft's novels are rooted in the 18th C.
(http://www.titania-medien.de/cms/images/stories/hoerspiele/gruselkabinett/500/gruselkabinett_24.jpg)
so it make sense to set Lovecraftian games in that century (http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.fr/search/label/Strange%20Aeons%2018th%20century).

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: Donpimpom on May 10, 2013, 10:40:55 PM

interesting thread, are you familiar with the Wold Newton work from Philip Jose Farmer?
Kim Newman openly admited their Anno Dracula is partially based on Farmer's work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wold_Newton_family

There is a site dedied to gather all the info and family lines from Wold newton, i think you can find some nice ideas there
http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Pulp2.htm

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: Red Orc on May 11, 2013, 11:37:07 AM

 :D

This whole thread makes me very happy. As always, you combine irrepressable creativity with relentless research. It's absolutely marvellous and inspirational.

My own musings in this direction had got no further than thinking that the Arcane Gun Mages from Privateer would make very fine Lacepunk troops, potentially combined with civilians from Westwind's Vampire wars range, specifically the 'Headless Horseman' range of 'Sleepy Hollow' figures (here (http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=2_20).)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 11, 2013, 08:59:35 PM

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cq_2tyRd-bI/TYSQj5AbcAI/AAAAAAAAAB4/_2jCj81b7hQ/s320/smiley_blush.png)Merely toying with other people's creations.

Btw, I'm at lost for finding music appropriate for a 'lacepulp / lacepunk' atmosphere: what little 18th C. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0sfILDANJg) ( more generally baroque (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJZu_Bz6Yo)) music I know of does not sound very 'gothic' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvzPWXHrSU) :D  (Purcell's Funeral of Queen Mary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYELAu9hqdU) and The Cold Song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmt-ZpOA3Rc), specially in Klaus Nomi's rendition?). Haggard's excellent Italian version of 'Herr Mannelig' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsRMasHSnro) sounds rather baroque, and refers to a female troll ( in this context 'troll' actually meaning pagan / witch (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=169), I suspect) but does not give much details.
I could mention that Handel's 'God save the Queen' was actually a 'cover' of a piece written by Lully for the poem 'Dieu Sauve le Roi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FaEqFFAKRA)' by the duchesse de Brinon, itself translating the Domine, salvum fac Regem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJBjNntN3q8) of Charpentier's Te Deum celebrating the successful operation of Louis XIV's anal fistula (authentic!) but it would be more 'punk' à la Sex Pistols than lacepunk  lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4raFJ9EtMo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4raFJ9EtMo4)
The best approximation I know is perhaps La complainte de la blanche biche (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVfL2bGa4Uo): for some obscure reason a girl was cursed to turn to a white doe every night; she is hunted down, killed and eaten by her brother and the barons of his hunting party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkT9MKCur94 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkT9MKCur94)
The song dates of the Middle-Ages and unfortunately there is no interpretation sung in rococo style with harpsichord accompaniment ;). Yet mounted hunting with horns and hounds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OoqZ-SbLA0) was still popular in the 18th C. (an 'Old School' set in 30mm (http://traditionoflondonshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=1) is still available (http://www.spencersmithminiatures.co.uk/html/specialities.html))
(http://saint-pons-de-thomieres.pagesperso-orange.fr/piqueurs.JPG)
(http://www.eugeneleliepvre.com/images/16_Eugene_Leliepvre_Venerie_Louis_XV_et_son_equipage_HD.jpg)
And to lift such a curse could be a fitting mission for a 18th C.  Witcher (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=137).



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Are you familiar with the Wold Newton work from Philip Jose Farmer?

I read and enjoyed 'Tarzan Alive' and greatly appreciated the concept, as probably reflected in the original post of this thread and its 'Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts' complement (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.0) (well, complements (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51419.0), the 'lacepulp' topic (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-28.html#p2200862) tends to make me excessively talkative (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81#p409)  :?).
I tried (in a very, very limited scale and using only the names rather than the whole characters) to build a similar 'family' when toying with ideas to adapt the Japanese OVA Hellsing Ultimate to the 18th C. (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120) (I have to confess that I rather *like* what I did ;)). I added several characters (as always, nothing original, inspiration picked here and there -from 'Underworld (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAK-XSfyi4U)' for instance). A peculiarity of Vorlund  (the quasi-Austria created by LAF member Guy 'blackwolf') which I suggested as the most appropriate location is the centuries old alliance between the ruling line and the Great Wolves (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=43074.msg503153#msg503153); combining the secret '12 of the Round Table' of Hellsing Ultimate with the formulation 'the Ten Who Were Taken' of Glen Cook's 'The Black Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Company)' I imagined that after Emperor Karl 12 of his companions were 'chosen' by the Wolves (and probably, like himself, turned into werewolves). Among them I had one Guillaume von Baskerville (of 'The Name of the Rose' obvious inspiration) who created the Emperor's secret police, equivalent to the Oprichnik of Ivan the Terrible -the Hunde von Baskerville, obviously lol. Since its creation the Corps is always commanded by the member of the von Baskerville family sitting at the Tafelrunde: along the generations  a C. August (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Auguste_Dupin), a Sherlock, a Hercules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_Poirot) and of course Nero 'Der Wolf' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_wolfe); currently Dame Phyllis Dorothea Jordelia Freiin Wilhelm von Baskerville better known (since she dislikes her two first christian names) as P.D. Jordelia or P.D.J. (rather far fetched (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_D_James), I admit :)).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G64FQ1FywU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G64FQ1FywU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwYMEpJYpU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwYMEpJYpU)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: d phipps on May 12, 2013, 08:14:31 PM

Great thread! Very inspiring!



THANKS

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 15, 2013, 08:24:30 PM

Have you seen the Japanese anime series Le Chevalier D'Eon? It has secret societies, talking skulls, sorceress' and undead swordsmen.
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3650421017/ (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3650421017/)

http://www.anime44.com/le-chevalier-deon-episode-1 (http://www.anime44.com/le-chevalier-deon-episode-1)

You might like it.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: Franz_Josef on May 15, 2013, 11:16:06 PM

 I believe that would be Freiherrin Wilhelmina von Baskerville (sounds like a transplanted Hugenot family, a number of whom did take refuge in Protestant German states - a Germanic version would be von Baskerburg).

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 16, 2013, 01:06:43 PM

Since Charge! (http://www.librarything.com/work/1503183) and The War Game (http://www.miniatures.de/wargame-the-war-game.html) 18th C. is the period par excellence for playing wargame campaigns (http://emperor-elector.blogspot.fr/) with imagi-nations (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/topics.mv?id=288). the imaginary antipodial continent of Pangaea (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewforum.php?f=21) is the locale of a vast Lace Wars campaign of scale, scope and style of famous Tony Bath's Hyboria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Bath), including a great campaign journal (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/mercurius-pangaeae-f49213.html) complete with funny pastiches of advertisements. Unfortunately, twice at a few years interval years of rich archives of the campaign were lost or scattered beyond repair when the forum housing them changed hands / server.
In Pangaea Vorlund (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/the-grand-electorate-of-vorlund-the-kingdom-of-hinterland-f49205.html) is, by the mid-18th C., roughly the equivalent of Habsurg Austria. In Vorlund Guillaume de Baskerville was a defrocked abbot of the mid-15th C., probably from (Old, then) French-speaking Nouvelle Champagne who roamed Pangaea and eventually became one of the most trusted companions of Emperor Karl. Once 'germanized' his first name became part of the family name of his descendants, though used only in formal addresses.

About historical Huguenots a number of them, at first exiled in the Netherlands, went to South Africa around Le Cap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franschhoek), often as wine-growers. They eventually were absorbed in the Dutch majority, but one can build a mid-18th C. Imagi-Nation on the hypothesis that they became dominant there: a Huguenot Republique de Bonne-Espérance, with a phoenix on its flag. Shades of Stirling's Domination of Draka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Domination), hopefully in less dystopian.


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Have you seen the Japanese anime series Le Chevalier D'Eon? It has secret societies, talking skulls, sorceress' and undead swordsmen.
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3650421017/ (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3650421017/)
http://www.anime44.com/le-chevalier-deon-episode-1 (http://www.anime44.com/le-chevalier-deon-episode-1)

Thanks a lot for the input! :)
So far as an anime set in European 18th C. I knew only of 'cute' Lady Oscar the Rose of Versailles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rose_of_Versailles)
(http://www.kinopitheque.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Lady-Oscar-Demy-02.jpg)
and I better appreciate the gothic horror / pulp (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51419.0) nature of the more 'adult' Le Chevalier d'Eon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chevalier_D%27Eon); besides it is set during the WAS, my favorite moment of the 18th C. -and since many Japaneses like cosplay... ;)  (though I hate the way Japaneses give Napoleonic épaulettes to Lace Wars officers >:( )

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/hidekeitaro/DEon_04.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2uxrljiJN1r1hdllo1_1280.jpg)
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/339/9/1/9155b149e8ecb83765ba9055e658a64b-d4afprj.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 16, 2013, 04:29:57 PM

Also the chevaliers bow and scrape in the Samurai fashion.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 19, 2013, 06:09:35 PM

For a 18th C. vampire countess / sorceress GW (Mordheim) Marianna Chevaux with her garters  :)  looks quite appropriate
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics7/img41e6ce360754e.jpg)
(source (http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?7064))
Indeed she looks a lot like 'Emma', a poetess – sorceress associated with the Comte de Saint Germain in Le Chevalier d'Eon -here translated in cosplay (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-89vPg-vvImo/UZURHhvizrI/AAAAAAAALO8/ZFmPctwvwZI/s1600/&%C2%B5%C2%B5@.jpg) -warning, some may find the image NSFWife / Work).
To look definitively 'Lace Wars' she could receive a tricorne (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-42.html#p11408268) (Wargame Factory WSS plastics (http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/horse-and-musket/war-of-spanish-succession-infantry) are a great source of conversion bits), like Lahmia here:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Dilwnimo0MI/SpE5pc4dSEI/AAAAAAAABlc/jczchmbzOy4/s1600/Pers_Katarin-LahmiaTwo.jpg)
(source (http://herrschaden.blogspot.fr/2009/08/pics.html))


Speaking of anime, I toyed with idea about a 18th C. transposition of Hellsing Ultimate (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120).

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 19, 2013, 07:10:45 PM

Oh my, that's not period correct underwear. I like the new one better.
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/kidterminal/Forum%20Pics/DSCF6113.jpg)
The vampire counts figures are nice but on the large size.

And don't forget Black Scorpion's wonderful pirate range.
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/kidterminal/Forum%20Pics/PIR_PIR23_1.jpg)
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/kidterminal/Forum%20Pics/PIR_PIR15_1.jpg)

Not to mention their fantastic undead pirates. Ghost highway men interest you?
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/kidterminal/Forum%20Pics/jackaroejoneslr.jpg)
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/kidterminal/Forum%20Pics/undead3lr.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 19, 2013, 08:42:10 PM

You are perfectly right, this type of underwear is *terribly shocking* :o as blatant historical inaccuracy  :( >:( >:(
Indeed, contrary to what this modern image suggests
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iEvS6psa8ww/UZ-5P0rd7iI/AAAAAAAALSg/Hcl8jVoHczE/s400/K@%C2%AE%E2%88%86_400.jpg)
18th C. Western women wore no underwear at all.
Female underwear appeared in the Western World ca. 1840, at first as very flouncy trousers for very young girls, whose dresses were then shorter than those of the adults. The first western adult women to wear undergarments were burlesque / cancan dancers, for obvious reasons.
(http://queenofthenerds.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/The-Three-Musketeers-2011.jpg)
(http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/85/61C026B8545A3A4102D61B09FFCD6.jpg)
But the same applies to the Countess Karstein mini, and her armor 'dates' her; anyway we have to make concessions, and I'm sure Marianna with a tricorne would look 18th C. enough. Btw, same 'under garment difficulty' with the Paloma of Carnevale; the Foundry Revenant Elves and Eureka / Shadowforge Scarlet Lady elegantly avoid the problem.

Regarding scale discrepancies between miniature ranges from diverse manufacturers, first real persons are not all of the same size: compare Sarah (Michelle Gellar (http://american.actress-photo.com/wp-content/gallery/SarahMichelleGellar/SarahMichelleGellar-8.jpg) or Sahi (http://media.mademan.com/chickipedia/uploaded_photos/6/6a/Sarah_Shahi-skin-babe-chickipedia-eyes-smoking-hot-after-stunning-lips-sexy_thumb_585x795.jpg)) with Sigourney (Weaver (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/WaxHeaven/Baseball%20Cards/Galaxy_Quest-1.jpg)) and Adriana (Karembeu (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Pck6ut3oK5s/StS03Qw2API/AAAAAAAABdA/alLUe9HkKh8/s1600-h/Adriana-Karembeu-Screensaver++Adriana+Karembeu+hot+++Adriana+Karembeu+sexy+picture+++Adriana+Karembeu+nice+,+hot+sexy+girls+pictures.JPG)), in 1/60 they would differ by almost 5mm. Then one can play on the thickness of the bases on both directions, specially if the figurines are 'acting individually' rather than closely packed in regular regiments -for the 'huge' ones by removing the original base and gluing the (thinned) feet on a thin metallic plate. During a game the minis are not seen from the side but mostly from above: differences of thickness between the bases are barely noticeable, what matters most is the homogeneity (or lack of) of their decoration.  Nor are all people of the same 'bulk' (to account differences of style between ranges): compare Kate (Moss (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-akg7ERurYFM/TdnPUQtJReI/AAAAAAAAAuI/Z1Lu2FP_6j0/s1600/Kate-Moss-2-1.JPG)) with Pamela (Anderson (http://www.celebrityfreaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Pamela-Anderson-Sexy_nude_hot_nipples_28.jpg)) :D [NSFW in some countries]

Btw the movie is what it is but has great lacepunk contraptions:
(http://daveonfilm.com/pics/the-three-musketeers-airships-publicity-still.jpg)
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2011/3/30/1301471670194/Musketeers-5-007.jpg)
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2011/3/30/1301471698036/Musketeers-6-007.jpg)
(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Three-Musketteers-Steampunk.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sZ0LVuvu9gk/Tjuq1_d4mEI/AAAAAAAACYM/vzhwUhoKP9Q/s1600/ninja3M.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 19, 2013, 11:46:30 PM

Yes I am aware of the history of ladies undies. But thanks for explanation kind Sir. Yes the movie was what it was and not even Mila could save it. I have watched the 1973 film of the same name just the other day streaming. It doesn't have lacepunk, but it does have George MacDonald Fraser screenplay and an all star cast including Oliver Reed, Charlton Heston, Faye Dunaway, Christopher Lee and Raquel Welch in one film.

I hope you're enjoying Le Chevalier D'Eon. I've only just begun watching it myself.

As a personal aside my Grandfather is from Lyon.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 21, 2013, 09:57:00 AM

At least the 2011 movie was entertaining, and far less awful (and a betrayal of the novel) than the 1993 Disney one, where Richelieu plots with Buckingham and is eventually knocked out -and drowned?- in a sewer by Louis XIII! Not even 'so bad that it's good', for the comical input I preferred the (conscious) one of 'The Three Must-Get-Theres'.


Raquel Welch, she who had invented mascara and waterproof permanent wave 1 million years BC... Then a 'Lost World (http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?211-18th-C-swashbuckling-on-Mars-or-in-Mu&p=278&viewfull=1#post278)' (either on a kind of Skull Island -hopefully without King Kong- or 'at the center of the Earth' à la Pellucidar)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dilwnimo0MI/TI0Bg3fZYmI/AAAAAAAAB6Q/ifBysakjxyE/s400/Ys.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z2tuP37kSc0/UCDPFOlKBGI/AAAAAAAAD3U/3HDMOzUU0Jw/s320/LB_WoA.jpg)
inhabited by cave girls in fur bikinis (Maidenhead (http://members.optushome.com.au/cynan/Miniatures.htm), Eureka / Shadowforge (http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=806_807_808&sort=3a&page=4))
(http://members.optushome.com.au/cynan/models/ama2.jpg)
(http://www.shadowforge.com.au/images/fax151.jpg)
(http://eurekamin.com.au/images/shadowforge/1fax109.jpg)
would make a *great* Lacepunk (because it's Sci-Fi) (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281823) setting. For a 'Lost civilization' of pre-gunpowder level à la She (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She:_A_History_of_Adventure) the Tékumel minis -for once a range not made of pastiches of historical Ancient / Medieval types!- are perfect: the Tsolyani light infantry (http://thetekumelproject.blogspot.ca/2013/05/the-legion-of-sapphire-kirtle-12th.html) could be easily converted to war engines (Warhammer repeater bolt throwers, Megalith scorpio (http://www.megalith-games.com/eng_index.php?id=&pid1=P1_1&pid2=S1_3&pid3=S2_7&pid4=S3_10&pid5=S4_31#SCORPIO) in fixed positions) crew.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BC7Uou1vQDE/UZ6bCiyEdXI/AAAAAAAABaE/IZPBdtuli20/s1600/SapphireKirtle001.JPG)
Eureka unfortunately sold their great range, and the Tékumel Project (http://thetekumelproject.blogspot.fr/) / Tékumel club (http://thetekumelclub.blogspot.fr/) seems unable to re-use the molds; but new minis are progressively made.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c2OxXEM-APQ/T7F_dZJ_AxI/AAAAAAAAA38/Yso4zReofSw/s1600/P1010012.JPG)
The new Bronze Age Minis Dead Earth Warrior Women (http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/32MM/SCI-FI/Dead%20earth%20warrior%20women/Dead-Earth-Warrior-Women.htm) also look good:
(http://www.bronzeagemin.com/IMAGES/miniatures/25MM/SCI%20FI/Dead%20earth%20worrior%20woman/Dead-EarthWorrior-Woman-3-c.jpg)
and of course the Raging Heroes (Fantasy) Blood Vestals (http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/complete-collection/products/blood-vestals) would also fit:
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0039/2192/files/blood-vestal-master---02-fr.jpg)




Speaking of actresses, to think that with slightly different costumes -not for her, she's already fitting for a 18th C. heroine from Eastern Europe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyg0WUsY9HI)- Kate Beckinsale would have appeared in a rather silly (that repeating crossbow without a functional 'bow'!) but funny Lacepulp movie.
(http://images.zap2it.com/moviephotos/AllPhotos/33545/33545_ay/van-helsing.jpg)
(http://pictures.4ever.eu/data/674xX/art/movies/%5Bpictures.4ever.eu%5D%20van%20helsing,%20hugh%20jackman,%20kate%20beckinsale,%20anna%20valerious%20135957.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CH-LAeZwuLM/UDjagUOLNcI/AAAAAAAAOtA/9I6_UYz_uXQ/s1600/Movie_Costume_Kate_Beckinsale_Anna_Valerious_Van_Helsing.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lthcrtAokf1qhxnk9o1_400.jpg)
(http://www.starcentralmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/anna7.jpg)
Now, I'd really like to follow an Underworld (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAK-XSfyi4U) campaign set in London or Paris during the War of Austrian Succession (some thoughts about the possible rules (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=8492.msg639372#msg639372)):)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--LS0-UfXQuU/Tx2V7SxljkI/AAAAAAAACzk/pJ6GHGo8POo/s1600/victoria%20frances%20%20dark%20gothic%20artist%20phi%20stars%20worthy%20featured%2014%20eternal%20wedding.png)(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9400000/Victoria-Frances-Vampire-vampires-9474818-353-500.jpg)
(http://prettykittiekat.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/victoria-frances-vampire-vampires-9474818-1250-1772.jpg)

For a musical background, besides Tristania (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx-BlEd3wIo) Nox Arcana (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuLpkN0lHw) and Theatre of Tragedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eGz2ayRG-no#t=3s) have also some (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka0EAr8ciVc) *real (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9acAKhcN6U)* (if you bear the style) potential (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YYpwoWh0z8).[/center]

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 22, 2013, 12:52:03 AM

Why not? Do an 18th century Underworld. Use the Blue Moon werewolves.
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/kidterminal/Forum%20Pics/Box_1.jpg)

I am a Theatre of Tragedy fan. I have a few albums including that one.

Raquel Welch hated the fact that everyone would bring up that movie, one Million Years B.C.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 22, 2013, 08:01:20 PM

For reasons of 'biological likelihood' (;D a totally misplaced concern, I know ) I prefer to think that werewolves actually do NOT shapeshift: rather that they are suffering from a form of rabies, during their periodical fits (for some reason often triggered by the polarized moonlight o_o) in their Ríastrad / Úlfheðinn rage they *believe* to have changed into wolves. By some unconscious mesmerism / suggestion other people share this illusion or believe to see a wolfish shape superimposed to that of the maniac. Since there's how they see themselves and are seen, for gaming purposes I have to problem with using 'shapeshifted' miniatures :D
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_oMYcBl-rxo/TbTNC75PyaI/AAAAAAAAAHo/jiVOJazHUB4/s1600/IMGP9062.JPG)
source (http://greywolf1066.blogspot.fr/2011/04/wild-huntsomewhere-in-last-valley.html) - marvelously atmospheric photos of superbly painted miniatures on that blog (http://greywolf1066.blogspot.fr/), btw:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gW2-ZsUlWrU/UPs4v-I4fVI/AAAAAAAAAaE/dTmomQhvVSU/s1600/IMGP0136.JPG)

More generally, probably because of my personal background I always prefer pseudo-scientific 'explanations' (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=291576) -of very, very awfully bad SciFi level maybe, but at least sounding vaguely 'scientific'- over 'mystical' ones.
Vampires are not 'undead' but suffer another form of bite-transmitted rabies (± the 'Matheson model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend_%28novel%29)') -almost a symbiosis rather than a disease, given the multiple advantages gained by the host. Of course they are living, they breathe and their hart beats, their body is hot -I can't see how they could be active without an intense metabolism- and they have a mirror image, the so-called 'loss of soul' merely corresponds to the drastic change of ethics induced by the parasite. For an adaptation of the anime Hellsing Ultimate to pre-technological 18th C. (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120) artificial vampires can be created by grafting a 'bud' taken from the flesh of a 'true' vampire (not dissimilar to the 'gene seed' implanted in the WH40K Space Marines).

Zombies are not undead either but mentally regressed: their brain affected by the lack of oxygen during their 'apparent death' -either the initial manifestation of another bite-transmitted disease (the 'Romero model'?) or deep catalepsy caused by the drugs of Voodoo witch-doctors turning people into 'brainless' slaves. Differences of duration of the anoxia would explain the diversity of zombie types.

Ghouls -not 'undead' in their traditional form, anyway- are just like Lovercraft's Martense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lurking_Fear) degenerated inbred cannibals suffering kuru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_disease).

Demons / Devils / Elves / Faeries? Humans from a 'parallel universe' occasionally opening on ours through 'portal' (such as the 'Hellgate' under Sunnydale ;) ).  Early during the Stone Age they developed 'parapsy / psionic' abilities instead of progressing in 'technology' -they don't know how to lit a fire 'naturally' and any device, dress or tool they may possess are copied on ours. Basically they look like us (though some 'aliens' can look really 'odd' (http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2761/retoooscurocontrapatric.jpg)), except for their mysterious sensual beauty (http://v3.ergor.org/uploads/affiche/thumb/213x280_bd5d347276bcc4edbdcf8cb9405f1e25ceefb48e.jpg): any 'monstrosity / ugliness' reflects a fashion, or is an illusion to make fun of superstitious  humans and frighten them; the same for they apparent ability to change size and shape. If the time vectors of their universe and ours are not strictly parallel, without a corrective time travel while passing through the 'portal' time will seem to have flowed differently while 'on the other side', as sometimes noted in tales of sojourn in 'Faerie'. Their self-healing / regenerative capacities look 'miraculous' but are not automatic: for instance they developed a capacity to quickly heal wounds caused by bronze weapons when 'we humans' used such but this apparent quasi-immunity was restricted to this alloy; iron was at first 'mortal' to them -well, not really, but wounds caused by iron had to heal 'normally' and their 'natural' capacities of physiological resilience are greatly regressed (nowadays they would be very vulnerable to 'new' metals such as aluminium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Daley#Coramonde_Duology) and sharp plastic. If the parasites causing lycanthropy and vampirism came from this parallel universe it would explain many peculiarities of vampires and werewolves, provided these parasites somehow incorporate molecular support of the Fées' psionically inducted non-natural abilities. Specially, people of Faerie have lost -for lack of usage along tens of centuries- 'immunity' against wounds caused by pointed wood, and never developed one against silver. This would suggest that wooden stakes and silver blades & bullets are equally efficient against both vampires and werewolves: merely, it happened that the power of wood was accidentally discovered against a vampire and that of silver against a werewolf....


Given that 'any science advanced enough cannot be distinguished from magic' and given that many 'abnormal' behaviors and events can be interpreted 'realistically', in a 'SciFi' manner or as supernatural origin, since such personal interpretations are largely immaterial in gaming terms and have no impact on the figurines used, each player can have his (not many 'her', alas) pet ones. It's perhaps best when uncertainty is maintained so that each player can 'explain' paranormal events in the way that best suits him. When long, long ago I 'masterized' a swashbuckling campaign set in an alternate mid-18th C. France (the Fronde des Nobles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fronde#The_Second_Fronde.2C_the_Fronde_des_nobles_.281650.E2.80.931653.29) had partly triumphed, the King's centralized control is no stronger than ca. 'our' 1630 period, to allow 3 Musketeers-like adventure in 1745) some 'abnormal' elements crept in. Mainly -it was the initial idea- 'James Bondesque' gadgets à la Wild Wild West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Wild_West) of the '60; but once one a NPC intended to employ the PC wore a mask and gloves (a detail taken from Flashing Blades (http://www.fantasygamesunlimited.net/category/Flashing-Blades-6), I believe), obviously because he wad covered with fur. As usual three explanations were possible: 'realistic' (hypertrichosis), 'SciFi' (a kind of 'Dr Jekill & Mr Hyde' experiment turned bad) or 'supernatural' (a curse): I carefully maintained uncertainty (to 'cure' the NPC was not the assigned mission, and anyway the fluid in that vial can be either a healing medicine or a magical potion, who knows  and on the end who cares?) :)
Just for my intellectual comfort I prefer to 'hold as true' deep down inside me such pseudo-scientific 'revisionist' interpretations. While willingly acknowledging how artificial / hypocritical it is to support e.g. that "Vampires don't sprout wings, they can jump from incredible heights and sometime seem to fly because of their weak parapsy / psionic ability to autotranslocate / levitate" lol lol
Along the same lines of 'biological pseudo-plausibility' I had some fun to describe a possible origin of Gorgons / Shambleaux (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=169#p589).

 Then I confess that, while ready to accept that vampires can seem to turn into giant bats
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1183813_99110207166_VCVarghulfMain_873x627.jpg)
or swarms of (large but) ordinary bats
(http://www.masq-mini.com/abbildungen/2012_Fledermausschwarm.jpg)
I'm uncomfortable with minis of vampires with additional bat wings
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9679/028hy.jpg)
(source (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/on-a-moonlit-night-in-pangaea-t364128.html)): not only, like angels, succubi, centaurs and alas most dragons, they have to come from a world (Barsoom?) where vertebrates have more than two pairs of limbs à la Green Martian, but where are the powerful muscles required for flying -the 'normal' arms are on their way- and the *huge* breastbone to attach them ??? ??? It's fantasy, but I prefer when fantasy respects a minimum of verisimilitude: I wish Smaug will be built like manticore, like the best dragons in movies (Vermithrax Pejorative of 'Dragonslayer' or the dragons in 'Reign of Fire').
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Dragonslayervermithraxp.jpg)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 22, 2013, 10:43:23 PM

It's lucky then that the Underworld movies attribute vampire and werewolves to a retrovirus. France is a perfect home of werewolves after all, what will all the wolf hunts of the 17th century.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 24, 2013, 09:06:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNcFnX5oAk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNcFnX5oAk)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qz5F7N_frGM/UZ8jgmWkjmI/AAAAAAAALSQ/g86KKFU_uHU/s400/%C2%AE@%C2%B5.jpg)
 :D :D :D

These could easily by adapted to the 18th C. -not only in FIW Canada or Transylvania but in remote, isolated parts of France or Germany:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAlMJTbeI6g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAlMJTbeI6g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKJK_-Vler0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKJK_-Vler0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1aoUUqErnU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1aoUUqErnU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a684-wDULbA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a684-wDULbA)

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 25, 2013, 04:22:44 AM

Yes the French country side is perfect for a game like that.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on May 29, 2013, 09:01:01 PM

If you want your 'heroes (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.0)' challenged by evil clockwork automatons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIT06dqPyVA)
(http://tvandpop.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/screen-shot-2012-09-17-at-11-49-24-am.png)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/mikebull/Clockwork%20Droid%20Mask/girl_in_the_fireplace02.jpg)
Dr Who Micro Universe (http://www.whoblackpool.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=clockwork+man&x=19&y=14) has two male ones
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5j23U0AB1L0/T_cMzZdV3UI/AAAAAAAADac/g2LM2vlw7eg/s320/DW%25C2%25B5UAmaton.jpg)
Now, it would probably not be very difficult to obtain more by (paint, basically) conversion? They look rather like late 17th C. minis with a kind of KISS make-up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtNA6dG3hrk) / venitian mask and (thick paint?) gloves lol

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: kidterminal on May 30, 2013, 06:12:10 PM

The clockwork men are great. They do make good villains.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: d phipps on June 04, 2013, 06:26:23 AM

Quote from: kidterminal on May 30, 2013, 06:12:10 PM

The clockwork men are great. They do make good villains.

Indeed!


I'd like to find some of those Tekumel figures. I think they'd make good Amazons for our Venus campaign.

Thanks for sharing.



HAVE FUN

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on June 04, 2013, 01:36:39 PM

The Cavalcade Wargames Amazons of the Dragonblood Axibalan Empire (http://cavalcadewargames.com/cavalcade/Dragonblood_Axibalan_Empire.html) look quite good also -for Mars, Venus, Lovecraftian Mu or 'At the Earth Core' Atlantis [what about a Royal Society-sponsored expedition of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.0) there? Lost Continents are good 'Lacepulp / Lacepunk (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51419.0)' settings]- but the range has only 3 different figurines and was not expended for years:
(http://cavalcadewargames.com/cavalcade/Dragonblood_Axibalan_Empire_files/amatzl_warrior_1.jpg)
(http://cavalcadewargames.com/cavalcade/Dragonblood_Axibalan_Empire_files/amatzl_captain1.jpg)
(http://cavalcadewargames.com/cavalcade/Dragonblood_Axibalan_Empire_files/xitllali_1.jpg)
 

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: Franz_Josef on June 04, 2013, 11:22:47 PM

If you're going Lost World amazons, I imagine many of the Tekumel Project lady warriors would fit right in.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on July 10, 2013, 10:38:48 AM

Galloping Major 'FIW Preacher' (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=28285.msg662762#msg662762)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img826/2665/yhoj.jpg)
is perfect for such a game, and the figurine is not restricted to Protestant backgrounds. 18th C. 'socializing' Catholic priests did not wear their cassock, but dressed in black 'secular' clothes; their only distinguishing features were the (black pipped white) priestly collar and a tiny calotte over their tonsure:
(http://www.nicolasbordas.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ridicule2.jpg)
If some priests dressed so to enter the wittiness contests of fashionable salons, one can suppose a priestley  field operative (a jesuit of the C.R.O.C. (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49766.msg584536#msg584536)? A Papal Assassin of Iscariota (http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120) - not as comely as this one (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49673.msg593028#msg593028)?) would wear such practical clothes when 'evil hunting'. Thus Galloping Major's Preacher, painted with a black (pipped white) collar, becomes a 'combat priest' (in Gévaudan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmbC2XZWZA8), maybe, or in Nouvelle France (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR9LF1Qam-8)?). Most of the 'armed settlers' would also fit perfectly.

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: Galloping Major on July 10, 2013, 05:19:15 PM

Abdul - thanks for showing my preacher, this is an amazing thread  8)
I plan to sculpt more C18th characters which may prove to be of interest to you  :)


Cheers,
Lance

www.gallopingmajorwargames.com

Title: Re: The Gulliver Fellowship and 18th C. Torchwood?
Post by: abdul666lw on July 11, 2013, 08:48:43 AM

Great news, Lance!
 Indeed as a 'not mainstream' period for Fantasy / Horror gaming, regarding miniatures the 18th C. is privileged with several sources of 'armed civilians': highwaymen (http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/new_highwaymen.html), 'treasure island'-type pirates (http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/index.php?cPath=27) (and some lovely pirettes (http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/female%20pirate)) and the growing 'FIW armed settlers (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=28285.0)' ranges.
Besides, regular military types with tricornes but in unhistorical uniforms are available for 'anti-supernatural SWAT' teams / factions: Black Scorpion Marines (http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=111), Privateer Press (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units) Cygnar Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units/tempest-blazers)...
(http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/userimages/6settlerconcepts.jpg)
(Galloping Major (http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com/page10.htm))

(http://privateerpress.com/files/products/GunMages2011.jpg)
(http://privateerpress.com/files/products/31077_TempestBlazersWEB_0.jpg)

For 18th C. 'Gothic Horror' games (http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-28.html#p2200848) rules are certainly not lacking (http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?288-Rules-for-Lacepulp-games). But most are quite specialized with regard to the 'monster type' they cover (automatons, witches, zombies...) or the setting (17th C. English countryside, D'Artagnan's Paris, an evil-haunted mansion, revolutionary Venice...). Thus to play a more 'generic' campaign or one of one's own design, one has to add additional elements picked here and there. Alternatively one can start from a tried historical (or semi-historical: pirates, swashbuckling...) set of rules and add fantasy elements (Brink of battle (http://www.brinkofbattle.com/) seemingly is designed for such 'modular' construction (http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.se/2013/01/brink-of-battle-horror-theme-demo-game.html)).
Donnybrook (http://leagueofaugsburg.blogspot.fr/2013/07/donnybrook.html) is an upcoming "set of skirmish rules for 1660-1760" using the fashionable 'factions', each with its special abilities. To add 'supernatural factions' should perhaps be not too difficult?
Another point: the cover art is the work of one of the coauthors (http://quindiastudios.blogspot.fr/2013/06/donnybrook-cover-art.html); look at the damsel in distress:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bJ_MnXMZ6rE/UZZYxB46XQI/AAAAAAAACYM/na_65Sjv_9I/s400/Donnybrook+Cover+Finished.jpg)
Someone appreciating Frazetta art cannot be totally bad :)