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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Arthur on February 05, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
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His kingdom for a parking ticket :
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/wr/Return_of_the_king.jpg)
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php (http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php)
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lol
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Brilliant! :D
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Love this...
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Call the Night Stalker!
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Awesome! Very very cool.
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Call the Night Stalker!
FTW!
It made me think of that scene in Tim Burton's "Sleepy Hollow" where the headless Hessian bursts out of the ground ahorse.
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Okay, this one has gone over my head... anyone care to explain?
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They've found the mortal remains of Richard III in a car park in Leicester
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882
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Okay, this one has gone over my head... anyone care to explain?
^what marighela posted. Technically he was under the car park though ;)
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Oh now, this great. :D
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One could have expected a bit of more historical accurary from the Perrys though... the mini doesn't have the scoliosis wrecked back, for instance. /sarcasm.
By the way, are there any online sources about the king as a warrior, how did he fare on the battlefield before his demise?
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^what marighela posted. Technically he was under the car park though ;)
Nono, *in* the parking lot. He was sitting there, smelly, bitter, armour all rusting drinking something out of a brown paper bag and ranting about a lost horse.
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Nono, *in* the parking lot. He was sitting there, smelly, bitter, armour all rusting drinking something out of a brown paper bag and ranting about a lost horse.
Hehe, poor chap. Hopefully somebody got him a cab or gave him a lift after all the media fuss.
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What a fantastic conversion!
Bizarrely, the parking space he was under was marked with 'R' as the first letter of 'Reserved'.
He was known as 'Crookback' not 'Crouchback', that was a later corruption of his nickname. His scoliosis was apparently unnoticeable under clothing/armour, other than a raising of one shoulder in comparison to the other. When you take into account people like Usain Bolt and Sarah 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' Geller have scoliosis too, it's not likely to have effected his ability as a fighter, or his life generally, other than him not probably being a 'morning person'.
There's not much about right now that's detailed, but there's this (http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/the-fatal-injuries-of-richard-iii.htm) about his battle injuries.
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I just read about his remains here in the american Papers. I was interested to discover that there is a Richard the Third society. I always thought he was maligned by Shakespear, but I still marvel at the Basil Rathbone portrayal with Boris Karloff and Vincent Price, in the old movie, the Tower of London.
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Poor sod, apparently he wanted and had planned to be buried at York, which is entirely appropriate but there's a push on to bury him in Leicester. Proponents of York are now arguing the toss with those favouring Leicester.
My solution? Bury Richard at York in accordance with his wishes and bury Anthony Sher in Leicester. 'Ah!' I hear you cry 'but Anthony Sher isn't dead'. Therein lies the beauty of my proposal. ;)
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There's the ecumenical aspect too... Richard was a devout Catholic and given that Richard spoke like a Brummie (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9850114/King-Richard-III-was-a-brummie.html), I suggest St. Chad's in Birmingham.
:D
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He was King of England for goodness sake. Re-inter his remains at Westminster Abbey.
Love the model. The disabled parking bay sign is a touch of genius ;)
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So, any news yet on what they intend to do about the chronic lack of parking in Leicester city centre?
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Oh I hope they do make that available. lol
@ pocoloco: I can't point you to anyonline sources, but a few books I've read seem to cite Richard III as a pretty handy man in a scrap. Bosworth wasn't his first battle, and I'm sure he lead a division of Edward IV's army in at least one other, accounting himself well.
Also according to what I've read and filtered through my shitty memory, Dickie was the last English king to lead a cavlry charge, smashing through Henry Tudor's bodyguard, killing his standard bearer and damn near winning the Wars of the Roses in his final desperate sally after Stanley's betrayal.
He also invested heavily in fortifying Carlisle castle and turning it into a gun platform to keep the damned Scots at bay. All in all, seemed fairly capable both physically and strategically to me.
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Thanks JollyBob. He's really interesting case. Good old Will Shakespeare depicted Richard in not so good way, but then again he was patronaged by the Tudors. Then again depicting Richard as a hunchback could have been just a transmission happening through the years, scoliosis becoming a hunchback. Just wondering if he had really fared better on the horseback at the moment of his death than fighting on foot and losing his life.
Oh well, gotta play soon both the old venerable Kingmaker and the new Crown of Roses boardgames.
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He also left us a system of 'bail', instituted the 'Court of Requests', so the poor had access to the legal system and had Laws and Statutes translated into English from French and Latin. He rescinded restrictions on the print and sale of books in England too and was an avid book collector and reader himself.
I've few doubts that the Princes were killed on his watch, with or without his order. We should be wary of judging him through 20th Century eyes though, as if they had been still alive when Henry VII ascended to the throne, their life expectancy would have been measured in days, if they lasted that long.
Just wondering if he had really fared better on the horseback at the moment of his death than fighting on foot and losing his life.
He may have charged on horseback and ended up dismounted, which seems to be the 'folk-memory' depiction of his death, which also includes being struck down by a poleaxe or bill. Certainly judging by the head wounds he received, he was helmetless and on foot at the end.
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So, any news yet on what they intend to do about the chronic lack of parking in Leicester city centre?
lol
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On his earlier career, as JollyBob intimates in discussing the fortification of Carlisle, he was 'Lord President' of the Council of the North - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_North (though there isn't much information there) - during Edward's reign, and had previously lived in Yorkshire (though of course despite popular confusion between them, he wasn't 'Richard of York', that was his grandad, he was 'Richard of Gloucester'). He also spent much of his early life in Yorkshire, though he was born in Northamtonshire I believe. The city elders of York issued a statement when they heard he's been killed at Bosworth lamenting the death of their much-loved lord who had been betrayed and piteously slain. So he certainly had a good reputation in Northern England. His wife's buried in York too.
As a resident of Leicester, and an archaeologist, I'm a bit torn by this whole business. Northamptonshire wants him - that's where he was born. Gloucester wants him - that where his duchy was. York wants him - that's where he spent much of his time before being king, and that's where he wanted to be buried. Leicester wants him - that's where he was buried, and archaeological practice is to inter disturbed bodies of Christians in the nearest appropriate burial ground. Complicated, of course, as arelquin says, by the fact that he was Catholic. But then again, at the time he died, the Church of St Martin at Leicester (now St Martin's Anglican Cathedral) was a catholic church. Has the Catholic magic worn off? I'm not sure it has. It's a consecrated Catholic burial ground, I think.
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Put the poor bugger back under the car park and let him be, goodness' sake. The amount of time mankind spends faffing over the bones of long dead despots, I dunno... lol
Love the figure, anyway, very clever.
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I find it quite ironic that when it came to financing the dig, nobody, including Leicester Council, were interested. Now everyone is laying claim. I'd say either lay him to rest in the nearest consecrated ground as Red Orc suggests, or let Philippa Langley or the RIII Society make the decision as to where he finally goes to rest.
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he wasn't 'Richard of York', that was his grandad, he was 'Richard of Gloucester'). He also spent much of his early life in Yorkshire, though he was born in Northamtonshire I believe. The city elders of York issued a statement when they heard he's been killed at Bosworth lamenting the death of their much-loved lord who had been betrayed and piteously slain. So he certainly had a good reputation in Northern England. His wife's buried in York too.
Well you could bury him under the model village at Bourton on the Water then/ I'm sure it would prop up flagging revenues and wargamers and history buffs, the people most likely to visit, usually love a good model village.
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Ho ho! Love it. Watching the programme, I was speculating how long it would take the Perries to knock out a 'Death of Richard' vignette, but this is priceless! :)
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Pretty clever being buried UNDER the carpark and not on top. He must have saved millions over the years in parking charges!
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One could have expected a bit of more historical accurary from the Perrys though... the mini doesn't have the scoliosis wrecked back, for instance. /sarcasm.
By the way, are there any online sources about the king as a warrior, how did he fare on the battlefield before his demise?
Well, during his final and fatal charge at Bosworth he is said to have killed Henry Tudor's standard bearer Sir William Brandon and unhorsed his champion John Cheney. If we assume that both opponents had been chosen for their tasks due to their exceptional fighting skills, we might conclude Richard III was a very capable fighter.
PS: Richard of York was his father, killed at the battle of Wakefield in 1460, while his grandfather was Richard of Conisburgh, the Earl of Cambridge, who was beheaded for high treason on the orders of Henry V.
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He was King of England for goodness sake. Re-inter his remains at Westminster Abbey.
+1, though if it was his wish to be buried in York that would be OK too.
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Well you could bury him under the model village at Bourton on the Water then/ I'm sure it would prop up flagging revenues and wargamers and history buffs, the people most likely to visit, usually love a good model village.
Leave Bourton on the Water alone! It's already a thriving tourist trap and it does have a nice model shop! :o
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... Richard of York was his father, killed at the battle of Wakefield in 1460, while his grandfather was Richard of Conisburgh, the Earl of Cambridge, who was beheaded for high treason on the orders of Henry V.
Ooops my mistake. It was of course Richard of Conisburgh's brother who was Duke of York at that point.
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TBH I haven't much enthusiasm around here for a burial! He did visit Gloucester and issue the city with a charter.....
Gloucester Cathedral already boasts the remains of Edward II and William I's oldest son....
Remains found undernearth a car park are those of Richard III it has been confirmed - but they probably won't be coming to Gloucester.
The murdered king was a former Duke of Gloucester and some people have argued that his remains should be interred at Gloucester Cathedral, where Edward II is also interred.
However, after the Univserity of Leicester said today that DNA identified in bones dug up in Leicester matched his descendents, the remains are set to be interred at that city's Cathedral.
Although Richard III was killed in the Battle of Bosworth in 1485 and buried at Leicester's Grey Friars monastery, he had strong links with Gloucester as well as being its Duke.
He gave Gloucester the Royal Charter and his coat of arms is on St Michael's Tower.
Gloucester MP Richard Graham spoke up for bringing the remains back to Gloucester if they proved to be the monarch's, and Cathedral lay clerk and city councillor Sebastian Field agreed.
"The chances appear to be fairly slim now," said Councillor Field (LD, Kingsholm and Wotton). "I'm a massive fan of Richard III, in fact my whole family is.
"I'm aware there has been a campaign to bring the remains here but as has been said before, possession appears to be nine tenths of the law. I have written to Richard Graham about it and he agrees with me that it will be quite hard to do this."
As for this: "I'm a massive fan of Richard III, in fact my whole family is."
Worrying!!!!! o_o
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I find it refreshing change to municipal leaders who take Napoleon, Donald Trump Mayor Daley and Rudolph Giuliani as their muses.
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Well, during his final and fatal charge at Bosworth he is said to have killed Henry Tudor's standard bearer Sir William Brandon and unhorsed his champion John Cheney. If we assume that both opponents had been chosen for their tasks due to their exceptional fighting skills, we might conclude Richard III was a very capable fighter.
Despite having "girlie-arms"....