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Miniatures Adventure => Gothic Horror => Topic started by: Thunderchicken on March 10, 2013, 09:40:04 PM
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Hi chaps,
I've been off line for a while due to real life commitments and getting terrain pieces ready for WMMS today. I thought it best to stay away from the forum for a while otherwise I wouldn't get anything done lol
Anyway, I was asked by Westwind to run a few EotD demo games at WMMS and good fun was had. I'll do a proper write up for some of the games soon but in the meantime here's some teaser pics of the board layout and some of the action for you. Hope you enjoy:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_10_46.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_09_01.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_07_41.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_24_03.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_18_15.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_32_47.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_13_00.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/1254_10_03_13_10_34_59.jpg)
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Fantastic looking board.
Hope you had a good weekend.
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Looked great, I'd of loved to come to the show but had so much family stuff planned the weekend (mothers day as well!)
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It was a great looking game, followed the thread on the pub, love to have any insights on where the rest of the bits came from / where made?
Paul
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Lovely :-* :-* :-* All very coherent and not as cluttered without the canal
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Wonderful, your best set up yet. :-*
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Looks fantastic, you'll have to bring it over ;)
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Absoballylutely top hole old bean :-* :-* :-*
cheers
James
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Well done, Sir!
I really like the overhead train track. How much table area do you cover?
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That is very, very nice. I've not seen anything like that at any show here, that's for sure. Amazing stuff.
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Top notch work, lovely looking table. Need more pics of it, asap, please. :-*
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That is simply incredible. Great job. I recognise quite a few of you pieces there but yes please to a detailed table breakdown!
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Thanks chaps :). I'll get some more pics up when I can. I'll also post a build thread on the viaduct over on the workbench.
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Wow!
Great inspiration, I am sure this will atttract even more backers to the EoTD kickstarter. Can you please share with us what material that was used for the cobblestone street?
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Absolutely wonderful!!!! Thanks so much for posting. Richard
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I'm just looking at this again on a bigger screen and it looks even better.You even put the road camber in you bloody show off! :D You have to bring this to the Frozen North some time! I can't say how envious of this board I am. How big is the layout?
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Cracking table Neil :-* :-* :-*
How did the games go?
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:o :o :o
Stunning, sir, absolutely stunning!
Bloody gorgeous too, of course!
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(Another one joining the parts-list chorus. :D)
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Brilliant! Gotta love that board!
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Superb! Wheres the list of suppliers and pieces then?
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I am not envious. Not at all!
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Anyone know how that cobble street tabletop was done? Thinking about double siding my board with something similar.
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Lovely set up! :-*
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I'm pretty sure the mat is one I printed and sent to TC. Its a tiled image printed on a 4' x 4' piece of sailcloth. I had the opportunity to print a couple when the machine was demo'ed prior to my company's purchasing one.
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I'm pretty sure the mat is one I printed and sent to TC. Its a tiled image printed on a 4' x 4' piece of sailcloth. I had the opportunity to print a couple when the machine was demo'ed prior to my company's purchasing one.
Are they commercially available yet?
Oh, and is the board coming to Salute???
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I can look into the cost of printing some up but it is not an inexpensive process. You might be better off finding a commercial printer with a large format printer that prints on sailcloth. I'll be glad to make the .pdf available to anyone interested.
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Question of Thunderchicken or anyone who knows: In the first picture there is a box-shaped item (looks like a concrete box which is open on the top) in the street on the right side. Please tell an ignorant American boy what that is. Thank you. As I indicated in an earlier comment, I love this table. Great work. Richard
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Water trough for horses and very probably ne'er do wells lol
You can still them in parts of London although they tend to be modern replicas.
cheers
James
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Amazing! :o
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James, thank you. Richard
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I can look into the cost of printing some up but it is not an inexpensive process. You might be better off finding a commercial printer with a large format printer that prints on sailcloth. I'll be glad to make the .pdf available to anyone interested.
I would be interested in the pdf please
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Fantastic set up.
I hope you can enlighten us with a source of the buildings, and if scratch built, what sort of materials were used and where sourced.
Many thanks in advance.
I have a load of models ready to go, but little in the way of appropriate terrain...
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I have another American-guy question(s). Is the post located on the corner in front of The Shard Arms for hitching horses or does it serve some other purpose? And If Thunderchicken is reading this or if anyone else knows, what was used to make those posts? Thank you. Richard
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Its a bollard and its primary purpose, I believe, is to keep carriages off of the sidewalks.
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Thank you.
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Skrapwelder is right, it's a bollard. They would have been cast iron.
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Fabulous photos :-*
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Bollard question for Thunderchicken or anyone in the know. I am guessing that the bollards in Thunderchicken's Victorian street scenes are scratch built. If that is the case, please tell me what was used as the caps for the bollards. I will have no trouble finding materials to form the shaft or the base for the bollards, but I need some help understanding what was done or what was used to make the bollard caps. If I am incorrect and they are not scratch built but rather purchased, please tell me who sells bollards for 28mm figures/layouts. Thank you. Richard
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Couldn't you just use plastic rod, topped with a wooden/plastic bead that is cut to form the top part? Should be cheap that way as well.
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I would guess that a plastic bead would do the job too; or a small sphere of green stuff?
You can pick up o guage model ones but they might be too big. Not sure if they would cut down?
http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_O_Scale_Accessories_78.html
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TC has used Langley ones
http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/shop/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2elangleymodels%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2fOnline_Catalogue_OO_Scale_Accessories_NEW_Items_F220_onwards_19%2ehtml&WD=bollard&PN=Online_Catalogue_O_Scale_Accessories_78%2ehtml%23aL10#aL10
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Svennn, wonderful! Thank you. Richard
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Chaps,
Thanks again for the great comments :)
Oodles of apologies for not replying sooner but life away from the hobby is all consuming at the moment.
Thanks to those who replied on my behalf to some of the Q's.
Right, just to answer some of the questions. Unfortunately the board wont be at Salute but I think Westwind have one that they've used at other shows.
Colin, the games went well. We just used the quick play rules to get people interested in them then we would send them over to the Figures in Comfort stand to make their purchases, we should have been on commission ;)
As for the layout most of it is scratchbuilt by myself and Svennn, if there's any building in particular you want to know about I'm happy to post a link to the build thread. The only buildings not scratchbuilt are the church which is from Magister Militum and the red brick shops which are PMC games (signs provided by Svennn). The walls surrounding the gasworks are scratchbuilt but the walls surrounding the pump house and rear of the pub are from Hovels.
The mat was indeed generously sent to me by Skrapwelder. Mike, there was a lot of interest in it at the show and I was asked on numerous occassions where I sourced it from. You could be on to something.
The centre piece was the viaduct and I was going to post pictures of the build if it wasn't for my mobile network provider. I had all the pictures saved on my phone but it started playing up and wouldnt download them. I took it to the O2 shop and one of the assistants had a look at it for me, in the process the plum managed to reset the phone to its factory settings wiping out all my saved files, everything! I was not a happy boy as there was some great pics of my daughter on there too. Slightly my fault for not backing them up sonner. Anyway, I got the idea of the viaduct from Uti's thread here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=48788.0
I bought four low relief viaducts from Skytrex when they had quite a generous sale on:
http://www.ogauge.co.uk/p5157/smrs40a-row-of-3-open-arches/
As they are low relief they are only detailed on one side which isn't too much of a problem as the detail was easy to fill in. I built up the colums to connect the sets of arches using my usual method of embossed styrene brickwork stuck to foamed pvc. The fact that the arches are BIG casts meant they were slightly warped and it was a nightmare when it came to aligning all the pieces and sticking them together. I'll post some close ups of the viaduct over the weekend.
You can also source Overlord's fab arches from Outpost here:
http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/
The stacks of crates, barrels and packages are maily from Skytrex again and the carts/wagons are from 4Ground.
As for the pics of the game itself, yep, deleted by the pranny in the O2 shop! Happy to supply his name and the address of the store if anyone wants to pay him a visit lol
As I said, if there's anything specific you want to know about I'm happy to help.
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Amazing feat of construction and painting.
Broad daylight is a bit harsh on this set up I think, though. I believe dark and misty would really give the White Chapel vibes. lol
I urge you to built a dark mystical transportable tent that you can build around your set up and then install gloomy light within.
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I urge you to built a dark mystical transportable tent that you can build around your set up and then install gloomy light within.
lol lol lol
(That IS a bloody clever idea, though, you Crazy Viking!)
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I can look into the cost of printing some up but it is not an inexpensive process. You might be better off finding a commercial printer with a large format printer that prints on sailcloth. I'll be glad to make the .pdf available to anyone interested.
I would be most grateful for a copy of the PDF if you could, thanks
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Beautiful work Neil.........................now get back on the forum immediately :D
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I would be most grateful for a copy of the PDF if you could, thanks
Drop me a pm with your e-mail address and I'll send one off.
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Beautiful work Neil.........................now get back on the forum immediately :D
Thanks old fruit. I'm almost back......... ;)
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Question for Thunderchicken: In picture two you have a couple of structures that have walled in rear court areas with small structures with pitched roofs attached to the larger structures (pardon my awkward wording). I believe the larger structures with the rear court areas represent row houses (I might have the name wrong) of the type that would be found in Victorian Whitechapel. Now here's the question: What is the function of the small pitched-roof structures in those rear court areas? As I've mentioned to you before, I'm working on some buildings of my own and stealing heavily from your work. Thank you. Richard
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If I can offer: I believe those would be the scullery. The smaller abutting structures in the third picture I would guess as an ash house (privy, bog, loo) I've always wondered if there is a rule to these things and a particular type of structure for a particular period.
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Skrapwelder, is it possible that the "ash house"/privy you refer to is actually in the 4th picture down? In the third picture, what I am seeing is street and the wall supports. I would have never guess that the small, attached, pitched-roof building was a scullery, but that makes sense. I was rather hoping that it was just something that Thunderchicken put in for a little added flash and because he's a talented guy who has no trouble doing these things. If that were the case, I could have skipped it with mine, but if it's the scullery, I'd better find my inner talent (whatever that may be) and include it with mine. Thanks for the help. If anyone else can further enlighten this California boy (old man), it would be appreciated. Richard
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Yes, fourth picture down.
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Skrapwelder is correct but not all houses would be priviliged with such an addition so you can leave them out if you prefer.
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Svennn, that is great to know. I'm going to give the scullery a shot, but if I can't get all the elements to come together, I will opt for the less privileged version. This really helps. Perhaps you know why Thunderchicken included the scullery in the rear court but not the privy which he included in the pic 4 layout. Please forgive what probably appear or are silly questions, but I am pretty blank on this matter and knowing what options make sense is really a great help. Thank you. Richard
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I should have included this question in the last one but forgot. Why is there no chimney on the scullery? Are those pipes going up from the scullery roof actually vents; I originally thought they were drain pipes coming down from the roof. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Richard
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Fantastic build and now on with more games!
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I think the scullery, historically is more of a washing up room for laundry and dishes. I think the kitchen is normally what the scullery attaches to in a terrace house.
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Skrapwelder, thank you. That really helps. Richard
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Massively impressive work Sir!
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Hi Richard,
Oodles of apologies for not replying sooner. Between them, the chaps have graciously answered for me.
Luckily for your dilema there is absolutely no rhyme and reason with Victorian housing until effective building regulations and public health Acts kicked in during the late ninteenth century. I've got access to thousands of pics of housing through my uni and believe me there is no standard design, just a generic theory. As Svennn said the lower the stock of housing the more basic the structure, especially when you get to slums where you could have a couple of hundred people sharing a handful of communal privies (therefore no need for outhouses). Anyway, the outhouses would be the scullery/kitchen and then toilet/privy/ash pit.
I should have included this question in the last one but forgot. Why is there no chimney on the scullery? Are those pipes going up from the scullery roof actually vents; I originally thought they were drain pipes coming down from the roof. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Richard
Which building are you looking at matey?
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Thunderchicken, thanks so much for taking the time to get back on this. I had a feeling that there probably wasn't a consistency in design, but I wasn't sure how much inconsistency there was. Let me say that having your builds to serve as both an inspiration and a guide is wonderful. It has made my project far easier and without a doubt far better than it would otherwise have been. The second question you asked about was in reference to the scullery and that was clarified for me pretty well. Once again, thanks so much for posting your wonderful creations. I always keep my eyes open for them. Simply wonderful stuff! Richard
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No worries matey and thanks for the compliment. More coming so watch this space ;)
if you need any help feel free to ask.
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Great I can't wait. Did you use any model railroad plastic kits in the making of this?
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Thunderchicken, I know that you are currently in a shop-building phase (and by the way, it looks great), but as stealing ideas from things you have made has become one of my best ideas, let me ask if you have given any consideration to the building of an opium den, and if so, what would it look like from the outside? I've heard and read about opium dens for years and have this mental picture of some back-alley location (which may or may not be the case), but beyond that I have know vision of what such a structure would look like from the outside. Have you any plans for one in your Victorian London? If I'm being too pushy here, I apologize, but just thought it was worth asking. Thanks. Richard
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To be honest I havent given an opium den a thought, although I am working on plans for 221b Baker Street and a brothel lol Not next door to each other though................... then again ;).
I went to some cracking lectures on Victorian crime while at uni and the general consensus is that there is little evidence of opium dens on a large scale in Victorian London. Their perceived prevalence is down to fictional writers such as Conan Doyle and Dickens who included them in their novels for dramatical effect. Saying that, there is no doubt they existed but they would have been few and far between and probably located around London's Docklands, Limehouse etc. From what I've read they probably would have been a few small rooms accessed by stairs and/or a warren of passageways opening out onto the street via a simple door. Naturally they would have been wretched places in dangerous locations.
All a bit boring if you ask me and as we wargamers like to escape from reality there's no reason why you cant have a decent sized opium den in your game and why not I say! I reckon the best sources for inspiration would be the film From Hell with Johnny Depp or some of the ITV adaptations of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett; I think there are opium dens in The Man with the Twisted Lip and The Sign of Four but I'd be happy to be corrected. If you can wait I can check tomorrow for you when I have time.
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Missed this, but it's beautiful. Love the gasworks.
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Thunderchicken, you are right. Last night I checked my Holmes/Brett DVDs and there is an opium den at the opening of The Man with the Twisted Lip. It is a shadowy place and the view in the DVD offers more feeling than substance but it is a beginning. Thanks you. Richard