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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: LaserCutCard on March 13, 2013, 01:10:50 PM
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Hi all
This is something I have been working on for ages and they are finally finished.
These are a set of 4 corner ruins that are pure Art Deco rather than Gothic. I am almost embarrassed to say this but I really do not like Gothic architecture any more.
They are all made from a core of MDF covered with layers of cardboard to make up the details.
I can use them individually or else they can be placed on the corners of a 12" square to represent the ruins of a single building (all the architectural elements are the same on each building).
If you would like to see more (including the insides and some unpainted shots) I put up a lot more pictures on the blog here: http://nothingunpainted.blogspot.com/2013/03/art-deco-corner-ruins-first-set.html (http://nothingunpainted.blogspot.com/2013/03/art-deco-corner-ruins-first-set.html)
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Very nice! :-* I do hope that art deco is/ will be the new black in miniature scenics instead of gothic style :)
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Would be very interesting to see, and buy a less ruined buildings. :)
But i very much like this idea. Art deco much more interesting style than gothic.
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I like it, will order some!
Postapocalyptic gaming in Miami? 8)
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Love 'em!
:-*
There is some great stuff on your site.
Those crates and fences are excellent.
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Great stuff. I could build my home town from this stuff.
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Looks pretty cool! And I agree, I was never a fan of the "Future Gothic" style.
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They look excellent 8) 8) 8)
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See, now I'm thinking about gaming a ruined Metropolis style game. Art deco terminator....
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I always thought Art Deco looked more SciFi anyway. Probably watched Flash Gordon too many times as a kid.
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I always thought Art Deco looked more SciFi anyway. Probably watched Flash Gordon too many times as a kid.
I totally agree.
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I don't really need ruins, but do up a couple of intact facades like this and I'm interested!
A lot of Art Deco buildings (heck, a lot of buildings generally) have severely plain back and side walls; how about doing up an intact two story ornate front with minimally detailed front & side walls as a card kit?
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That is a good idea Wirelizard. They could of course be used for retro sci-if, Supers and Pulp gaming.
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I don't really need ruins, but do up a couple of intact facades like this and I'm interested!
A lot of Art Deco buildings (heck, a lot of buildings generally) have severely plain back and side walls; how about doing up an intact two story ornate front with minimally detailed front & side walls as a card kit?
To echo CommissarMoody, that is a great idea. I have actually completed the templates for the full building but it is quite large and would be extremely pricey to make (probably around $200).
A lot of that price though is based on all four walls having equal detailing.
What I did with the art deco skyscraper I made (there is a pic attached) is that I did two walls complete with detailing and then made the other two ruined so that you could get your hands inside to move things around.
But this is a requirement of 40k where movement within buildings is needed. Do a lot of the games you play not need the models to move inside?
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Those are grand!
I admit I like gothic - and baroque - but art deco is brilliant, and these corners are really nice. 8) 8) 8)
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To echo CommissarMoody, that is a great idea. I have actually completed the templates for the full building but it is quite large and would be extremely pricey to make (probably around $200).
Perhaps in case of such expensive building sets, it will be easier to sell just building plans? Laser cutting now is easily available in most cities of the world.
This will eliminate expences of making and shipping of such big and heavy building sets.
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or simply provide the digital data for 3D printing?
I like Your buildings
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Perhaps in case of such expensive building sets, it will be easier to sell just building plans? Laser cutting now is easily available in most cities of the world. This will eliminate expences of making and shipping of such big and heavy building sets
Yep, for example these fine corners (albeit ruined, I'd personally prefer intact too) are made on the wrong continent. It used to make some sense to order even fairly big items from overseas until the recent upswings in p&p coincided with the normalization of the local customs practices with the rest of EU and the increase in VAT.
Not that I know anything about the local options for laser cutting nor yet about the pricing thereof. Those might well be nonexistent for the former and exhorbitant for the latter.
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Not that I know anything about the local options for laser cutting nor yet about the pricing thereof. Those might well be nonexistent for the former and exhorbitant for the latter.
There is at least one company in Finland, which offers such services: http://www.lasercutstudio.com/home.html
And i m sure there is more of them if you google them in finnish. :)
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There is at least one company in Finland, which offers such services: http://www.lasercutstudio.com/home.html
Thx. There's also some kind of laser cutting operation not more than 5 klicks from where I live but I have no idea if they cater for individual consumers' small time needs.
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Yep, for example these fine corners (albeit ruined, I'd personally prefer intact too) are made on the wrong continent. It used to make some sense to order even fairly big items from overseas until the recent upswings in p&p coincided with the normalization of the local customs practices with the rest of EU and the increase in VAT.
Not that I know anything about the local options for laser cutting nor yet about the pricing thereof. Those might well be nonexistent for the former and exhorbitant for the latter.
Well, worldwide shipping is $4.80 per building so it is not too bad I think.
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or simply provide the digital data for 3D printing?
I like Your buildings
I would love to figure out some way that I could trust your local laser cutter to only cut the file once and then delete the file. That would totally eliminate the postage hassle. Then I would do that.
But to send them (or you) the file, after the hours and hours of work and considerable expense it has taken me to get it right would be madness - unless I assumed that you would cut it, say, 10 times and then marked the cost of the file up by 10 times... I have no idea how this would work.
It would be a little like GW sending you the 3D printing file for the rhino so that you did not have to order it from them.
But you are right, it seems that this old fashioned system of goods being produced far away from where they are used is crazy now that we have the technology to send the information to build the goods anywhere.
I am open to ideas on this point.
Cheers
Neal
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Well, worldwide shipping is $4.80 per building so it is not too bad I think
Unfortunately that only means that I can barely float the corner ruin #1 past the customs without paying 30+% up top so not much help there I'm afraid.
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Unfortunately that only means that I can barely float the corner ruin #1 past the customs without paying 30+% up top so not much help there I'm afraid.
What is the postage threshold for customs?
Also, as a general point, all my products are not sent as parcels they are sent as letters (documents) which do not normally attract customs duties (but every country is different)
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For most products it's 22.5 €, including p&p. The customs fee goes on top of that and then the VAT goes on top of all that for a total of ca. 30% extra.
Not every parcel gets taken but if the whole value is listed on the tin (as it should be, not everybody puts it in tho) and is over the limit then it really should be taken in and charged for or I should be angry about how customs office doesn't do the job I pay for with my tax money 8)
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I would love to figure out some way that I could trust your local laser cutter to only cut the file once and then delete the file. That would totally eliminate the postage hassle. Then I would do that.
But to send them (or you) the file, after the hours and hours of work and considerable expense it has taken me to get it right would be madness - unless I assumed that you would cut it, say, 10 times and then marked the cost of the file up by 10 times... I have no idea how this would work.
Anyone with basic knowledge of Sketchup can easily make as many copies of buildings from finished products as they like. So i don`t think that selling them only as finished product will eliminate your concerns of making too many copies by your customers.
Now so many companies sells electronic versions of their products, that i think there is some profit in this. Otherwise, they would not do so.
You only need to find working solution which will meet your expectations with expectations from your customers.
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Anyone with basic knowledge of Sketchup can easily make as many copies of buildings from finished products as they like
Yubsels. Not sure about if "basic knowledge" is sufficient tho but all the same. And with 3D printing possibly on the verge of becoming feasible at home the situation will continue to develop in that direction.
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The reimbursment of development effort is of course a very valid point.
The chance I see here is cooperation with other companies in the specific country which can laser cut or Print.
I don't know how, but for instance Company B offer ready to print vehicles
maybe You check this out?
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Yubsels. Not sure about if "basic knowledge" is sufficient tho but all the same. And with 3D printing possibly on the verge of becoming feasible at home the situation will continue to develop in that direction.
Speaking of basic knowledge, guys in our local wargaming club started to make good looking buildings for our projects after looking at these sketchup tutorials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkv9tRuO-c&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS11K5PgHkc&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwJntmJxi78&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0yunYvM7U&feature=youtu.be
So basic is quite fitting word for this level of expertise. :)
Now i`m also fall on this bait. And started building couple of houses myself.
Hope to show them on this forum in the future.
With all of these impressive technologies like 3d printing and laser cutting we are heading to a golden age of terrain building. :)
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For most products it's 22.5 €, including p&p. The customs fee goes on top of that and then the VAT goes on top of all that for a total of ca. 30% extra.
Not every parcel gets taken but if the whole value is listed on the tin (as it should be, not everybody puts it in tho) and is over the limit then it really should be taken in and charged for or I should be angry about how customs office doesn't do the job I pay for with my tax money 8)
Nope VAT is 6% for books and paperware, and since this is technicaly cardboard and as such paper...
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Funky designs! I really like them.
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Love the idea in un-ruined versions!
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Gonna jump on the bandwagon here and say good job! Fantastic ruins. Great proportions and looks.
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To echo CommissarMoody, that is a great idea. I have actually completed the templates for the full building but it is quite large and would be extremely pricey to make (probably around $200).
A lot of that price though is based on all four walls having equal detailing.
What I did with the art deco skyscraper I made (there is a pic attached) is that I did two walls complete with detailing and then made the other two ruined so that you could get your hands inside to move things around.
But this is a requirement of 40k where movement within buildings is needed. Do a lot of the games you play not need the models to move inside?
I'd be building them with removable roof and removable interior floors (if needed), which is how I do all my buildings. For multi-storey buildings with a fancy front, you can build the higher floors as three-walled "trays" that snug up to the intact multi-storey front facade.
As a minimal mostly-DIY kit, how about just the fancy facade as a kit, with other walls/roof/floors/etc to be provided by the buyer? One wall of fancy detailing would probably be about the same as two of your corners, in terms of materials and cutter time, I think?
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I'd definitely consider buying one or two completed buildings, interiors not necessary.
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Nope VAT is 6% for books and paperware, and since this is technicaly cardboard and as such paper...
There is no 6% VAT in Finland. If these counted as books then they'd be at 9% but I strongly suspect the customs won't see it that way in which case it's 24% as usual.