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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on April 15, 2008, 10:00:02 AM
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I'm really not mad about plastic but have to admit that these sculpts are bloody good.
(http://www.wargamesfactory.com/Images/Celts.jpg)
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They certainly are!
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Now this whole business has got me thoroughly confused and somewhat in techno-shock. Can somebody tell me if we're looking at actual pictures of figures or just pretty computer graphics?
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They are computer renders Plynkes. That's what they should look like when they are moulded, but I honestly would rather wait to see the finished product before I get too excited by these. You never can tell.
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Seeing these takes me back to my very early childhood with the Airfix Romans and Celts and that milefort they used to make. :)
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I like the faces and the interesting look to them. There are still some rough spots (look at the stomach of the guy on the left---it looks lumpy, not muscled).
I'm looking forward to these coming out as they will be great for some stuff I'm working on.
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Can't help feeling the two on the right - the boar standard bearer and the big chap at the rear - are the historical version of Asterix and Obelix.
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Now this whole business has got me thoroughly confused and somewhat in techno-shock. Can somebody tell me if we're looking at actual pictures of figures or just pretty computer graphics?
Computer renders, indeed - in all probability, they´ll use a CNC or DNC cutter to cut the IP moulds. DNC, more likely.
Looking good, but, as has been said before, I´ll wait for the first production pieces. I am, however, definitely intrigued.
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I can only hope the real miniatures will resemble at least something of the renders, as when I see this
(http://www.wargamesfactory.com/Images/optio_vinestick.jpg)
I always think of dwarfs in roman armour! :lol:
Btw: What kind of nonsense is it to produce two ranges of plastic minis at a time ("Wargames Factory" and "WarlordGames") and then start both with Romans AND Celts ???????? :? :? :?
Will the so called wargames industry EVER learn to avoid repeating the same mistakes over and over again?
Hhm, after more than 35 years in there, I think we can without any doubt say: NO.
:mrgreen:
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It's like Hollywood. That always happens.
Two films about asteroids hitting the earth.
Two animated films about insects.
Two animated films about fish.
Two films about Truman Capote.
Two films about Victorian magicians.
Wargames figures are going all Hollywood, that's all!
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1.) Romans always sell.
2.) AoG was coming out and WAB is already out.
3.) I need to sell thousands of them, so go with what people will buy thousands of.
Simplified, but basically the above was probably the rationale for both of them.
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Some of the bodies are slightly odd, and I hope the shield of the front warrior is not typical of what will be in the set as it looks like an ornamental Battersea type shield. Other than that, who can say no to Celts, admitedly I may be biased here. 8)
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I like the big Obelix guy at the back :mrgreen:
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Warlord Games (http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/) is starting a range of plastic celts and romans, too - EIR in this case, and they look better than the WF romans.
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I think these are dire. The Romans are poor quality, especially the chain mail and the proportions. I know romans were short but...
The Celt renders lack definition (and fingers), they are very blobby. Separate arms on bare torsos mean a lot of work preparing the figures where the cheapness of plastic allows for hordes to be purchased, what's the point if they take too long to prep and paint?
Hopefully for the manufacturers people will buy these by the millions because they're seen as cheap; the fact that so few will ever see a wargames table isn't a problem for the people making them. Gamers always seem to buy loads of plastic figures (Warzone, GW etc) and you never see them arrayed in the numbers bought.
For me the quality isn't there though. I need to take a look at the other range of Romans perhaps.
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Gamers always seem to buy loads of plastic figures (Warzone, GW etc) and you never see them arrayed in the numbers bought.
:lol:
yeah, I never understood why they do that. :wink:
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the chain mail on that last pic is very reminiscent of the psychostyrene dwarf/drastic plastic ork of twenty years ago.
Whats the great big fuss anyways. We all probably had plastics before discovering metal and there are literally thousands of sets about these days. You can get virtually anything in 1/72.
Just because these are a little taller does not make them groundbreaking
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I am not very familiar with the business of sculpting and moulding, but the interesting part for me between this two companies seems to be that they choose completly different approches of production.
As far as I understood Wargames factory is desiging and shaping the miniatures with the computer, where Warlord Games seems to take the "classical" way of sculpting in greens.(correct me if I am wrong)
I think this is the main reason why (at least at the pictures) the miniatures from Warlord Games look more "sharp" and detailed.
Will be interesting to compare the final results.
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You are correct Lurch. I know some "traditional" sculptors are also playing with the computer technology. Apparently it takes longer to make a rendering than it does to make a green, but the rendering can be modified to make variations in pose and kit much more quickly. That is what I have been told anyway.
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Whats the great big fuss anyways. We all probably had plastics before discovering metal and there are literally thousands of sets about these days. You can get virtually anything in 1/72.
Just because these are a little taller does not make them groundbreaking
I think the big difference is that these are hard plastic, like models are made from, rather than the old bendy spear Airfix chaps, so they will hold glue and paint easier.
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But the old Airfix Multi-Pose were hard plastic, too. And you could buy them when I was a little kid in the 1970s, so it really isn't anything new.