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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: sundayhero on April 05, 2013, 12:38:18 AM
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Hi,
I'm wondering if any brand is making multiples minis of the same character, to represent it evolution (from level1 to a powerfull adventurer) ?
I'm currently preparing to play warrior heroes:legend and I'd like to have something like that for my hero.
thanks
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There's an older series that has figures in three stages, but the manufacturer escapes me at the moment.
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Ral Partha did that, IIRC. I think others have done similar. RAFM and Grenadier perhaps.
Dragontooth did mounted and dismounted versions.
I don't think anybody currently does, though Reaper seems to be doing multiple versions of the Pathfinder Iconic characters.
I would like to for Tekumel characters but haven't gone about it in a coordinated fashion and everything takes so long, anyway, so it might be a while. :-I
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That's right! They were the Ral Partha 3 Stage Player Character models from Tom Meier.
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Hello gents, Citadel (in 1985) started sculpting AD&D three stage miniatures as well. They are now hard to find and expensive when you do. It would be a really cool range for a company (Reaper?) to start again.
Damien
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Kick start it :)
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Fenryll minis do quite a few too:
http://fenryll.com/fr/ (http://fenryll.com/fr/)
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Thank you for the help.
Concerning ral partha, they are true 25mm, arent they ? I believe I've got a few ones of this brand (very old minis) and they are significantly smaller than my other 28mm figures.
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Might be worth asking Otherworld Miniatures if they have plans to do anything like that.
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Hasslefree Miniatures have different versions of some of their figures representing earlier and more experienced incarnations.
Some examples:
Liberty
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/web%20liberty.jpg)
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/webviking%20libby.jpg)
Kalee
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/h017web.jpg)
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/h033.jpg)
Deth & taxxis
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/z204%20taxxis%20b.jpg)
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/z207%20%20taxxis%20c.jpg)
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/hfz202%20%20deth%20and%20taxxis.jpg)
Wolf
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/wolf%20dipped%20and%20painted.jpg)
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/HFH046large%20copy.jpg)
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/wolfskinlandscape%20copy.jpg)
Heresy does this with their Boris the Barbarian character too.
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Liberty mini is great :o the other ones are not of my taste. :D
I also like the old metal magic amazon range. A lot of personality in that range.
Typically my kind of woman lol
I went on Fenryll website, some nice (and quite affordable, regarding the kind of special thematic) figures too :
http://fenryll.com/fr/42-series-3-evolution
I'm not sure of the scale. I've got very old magicians from fenryll, and they were pretty big in my memory.
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There's an older series that has figures in three stages, but the manufacturer escapes me at the moment.
FENRYll do 28mm three stage fantasy characters in resin
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Some of the Otherworld (http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk) adventurers are/ will be available in different versions:
Human Male Fighter
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dab1fighter1.jpg)(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dab1fighter2.jpg)
Human Male cleric
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dab1cleric1.jpg)(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dab1cleric2.jpg)
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These figures are really nice, but they are too pricey for my own taste.
I think the solution maybe using metal magic or D&D minis, and make some sculpting and conversions. Or go for fenryll, but I don't know the real scale of them (you all know that 28mm can vary a lot from a brand to another one).
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I've got the Ral Partha Druid 3 stage set, and the scale is just right for my GB/Foundry/Citadel Arthurian stuff. They came out after RP did the true tiny 25mm stuff, and were some lovely sculpts.
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thank you for your help. If anyone owns Fenryll 3 stages minis, please let us know about their scale too.
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Hi,
Searching on internet for ral partha 3 stages characters, some of them reminded me something...Something old I remembered in my early days in the miniatures hobby...
...So I went to my gaming room, and search in my minis wreck...And found a complete 3 stages cleric :o
After stripping the paint and rebasing it (to match my monsters collection, mostly only D&D minis), here's some almost 20 years old figures :-*
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050033_zpsa54cbfdc.jpg)
Details of each figure :
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050039_zpsfcf735a2.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050038_zps1a8a0cf3.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050040_zpse6a835e8.jpg)
And some scale comparison (you'll maybe find this kind of information interesting) :
d&d miniature drows (from dungeon command drow army set) :
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050034_zps31efb0df.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050037_zpsc87d9d92.jpg)
note that D&D minis scale can vary, some of them are a way bigger...it's especially annoying for humans (the usual trick is to rebase them), for other races, it's OK...after all anyone saw a real orc to compare his size, for example lol)
metal magic (like the ones on megaminis website fantasy range, correct me if I'm wrong) :
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050035_zpsbc7ece71.jpg)
urban mammoth :
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4050036_zpsee3f1d5e.jpg)
So I would say these ral partha miniatures are compatible with most of the "true 28mm" or "not so heroic 28mm" miniature ranges.
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never underestimate the power of greenstuff and headswaps when it comes to this kind of project..
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You're right. It's also what I thought in first place, buying some similar (or even identical) minis and customize them with GS.
But after all...If I can find ready to play collectible minis like these venerable ral partha pieces...I'll save some time for other projects.
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You don't have to rely on old castings, either. Ral Partha Europe still produce these three-stagers, as do Ironwind in North America. Citadel came up with the idea of the three-stage character, but sadly abandoned the concept along with the loss of the AD&D license. Luckily other companies like Ral Partha took the idea and made it their own.
And yet, they didn't apply it to their own AD&D line. Odd, that.
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Yes, I've seen that. I will be able to save some shipping cost (and no taxes) ordering in europe ;)
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Sundayhero and LeadAsbestos are quite right. I too acquired the RP 3-stage Druid when this range first came out, and the figures are a good match for reasonable-sized "28mm" figures.
(http://miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/images/c/cf/Partha-3stage-325z.jpg)
Allen
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this set is wild :o
I'm also searching on the megaminis metalmagic range, since the metalmagic mini I have is very compatible with ral partha ones (as seen before). A lot of figures can be used (with minor customization, often no modification at all) in 3 stages characters too. I found many classes (monk, druid, wizard, cleric, soldier, rogue, assassin, etc...) with matchin weapons, diferent stages of armor (from panties to full plate armor lol), etc...
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Regarding the Metal Magic minis: Trollforged have some of the knighty types - http://trollforged.com/shelf_fantasy_Humans.html
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Fenryll did it... ;)
(http://fenryll.com/54-130-thickbox/la-guerriere.jpg)
(http://fenryll.com/53-129-thickbox/le-pretre.jpg)
http://fenryll.com/fr/42-series-3-evolution
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I know for fenryll, we posted the link before ;)
thanks
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Fenryll's figures tend to be bloody huge though, well along the 35mm line.
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The Ral Partha 3 stage were Tom Meier sculpts. Top class sculpting at the time and still now. I have them all from way back in a er..... unpainted lead pile :D
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Fenryll's figures tend to be bloody huge though, well along the 35mm line.
That's why I'll go for other brands, I believe. I prefer true 28mm figures.
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Hello Sundayhero, here are some pics for comparison:
(http://i.imgur.com/NoGHazr.jpg)
Here we have from left to right, a Ral Partha 3 stage Paladin (WIP), Preslotta Citadel Fighter, Grenadier Knight, Metal Magic Knight, and a Citadel Slotta Paladin (doh! Facing the wrong way!).
(http://i.imgur.com/zIBoYh8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/B0bw1IN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4HC2sf7.jpg)
Personally, I think they all fit very well together. I think you should buy the Ral Partha miniatures and get on the old school bandwagon. You may not find all three on an auction on Ebay, you will usually find them as singles.
(I haven't checked, does Ral Partha Europe sell them together in a blister?).
Cheers,
Damien
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Ral Partha Europe sell the figures individually.
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Thank you Damien,
Yes, RP is selling them individually...a bit pricey for my own taste, but whatever, I think I'll complete only the figures I already have, because, YES, I found other pieces in my minis wreck :-*
I think you should buy the Ral Partha miniatures and get on the old school bandwagon
Definitly ! The older I become, the more I like these figs. I remember when I bought them, I was 19years old...Now I'm 33 ! lol
I think all my heroes will be metalmagic and ral partha. For badguys, I'll use D&D minis for now.
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Show us all the miniatures you have found, even if they are unpainted (my real first love is RP).
EDIT: Don't forget that Mega Minis are closing soon, I am going to buy a big batch of minis from them next month.
Damien
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Here's the pics (the last one has a broken weapon...I didn't fixed it for now) :
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4070043_zpsb1cf8008.jpg)(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4070042_zps9369ecf0.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4070041_zpsc6c40eeb.jpg)(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4070045_zps5e729a66.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4070047_zps9d7922cf.jpg)(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4070049_zps56dc39b5.jpg)
I must have another elf somewhere, I searched everywhere and didn't find it for now...I'm pretty sure I put it somewhere with a couple of other minis...But no way to find it lol
I'm not sure if I'll use them as grunts, NPC or "real" 3-stage characters...I really like the cleric 3stages I already have, and I'm thinking about buying some more "exotic" megaminis figures (amazon, bard, etc...) to complete my party.
These minis will be played in Warrior Heroes legends setup.
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Hi,
I did my math I believe I'll do just 2 stage adventurers. Why ? Because it's a lot simplier to find 2 matching (and appealing for my own taste) figures of each kind, and it will be also a lot cheaper (of course since two 3-stage adventures cost three 2-stage adventurers price...).
Since I do all on my own (solitaire immersive/light rpg miniature game), reducing costs and painting times means more gaming...
I'll keep you informed.
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Man I really like these guys, we have a Gnome illusionist, a Halfling thief, a dwarf fighter (my favourite of the bunch), a Human ranger, I don't know the guy in the cloak (a human thief?) and a Human fighter (I love this guy) too bad about the axe.
2 stage is as good as 3, as long as you are happy who cares.
Keep posting, can't wait to see some paint on them,
Damien
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The thief looks like significantly smaller than human sized other minis, I don't know what it is. I'll make a search.
For the axe, I have to make a new one in green stuff. I didn't found the broken one, or any spare part (or donator mini) ???
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I have loved 3 stage character figures and ideas, been wishing for some more for a long time. My favorite is Fenrylls dwarf adventure It really, really nice in all three stages.
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I found a new candidate today ! I was sure I must had it somewhere lol
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/P4090068_zps7db3e757.jpg)
I also found some D&D minis perfect for grunts (a cleric and a warrior carrying a lantern)...
I'll create a topic detailling painting soon... And I'll order the matching minis as soon as possible.
edit : by the way, my minis set (complete set after almost 15years!) is from that boxed set :
http://www.dndlead.com/ral-partha/ADD/10-509.jpg
I still don't know what is this small thief...
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I finished my research concerning the thief :
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=AD%26D_Box_Sets#10-509
So apparently in my set, all figures are from 3-stage characters, except the thief, it's the only one figure from another range (called "the thieves"...clever name).
It maybe explains the scale diference. According to that pic :
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:Rp-01-114.jpg
He is humanoid sized. Personaly I'd prefered the crouched one on the left...But anyway.He still a good candidate for an NPC (small) assassin. :D
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You have the Dungeon boxed set! Lucky man, I always wanted it but it was too expensive, so I am trying to accumulate the minis individually now.
Cheers,
Damien
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Today I'll fix the human fighter's axe :D
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I also ordered a bunch of ral partha figures : a 3 stages female fighter (new old stock, 4 euros for the complete blister, what a bargain :o ), 2nd incarnations for dwarf (experienced) and human fighters (beginner axeman, and experienced swordman), a experienced ranger, and a beginner female sorcerer.
So as I said, most of my heroes will be 2 stages (beginner and experienced). For now at least. When I'll have some money, I'll probably find the other ones.
To be noticed : some 3-stages minis seems hard to find in stores, since the individual doesn't exist (as far as I know) : gnome illusionnist, elf fighter, for example.
I'll keep you informed.
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I used to have all these 3 stage character minis. Unloaded them to eBay a few years back. It was for a good cause. I needed a new vehicle.
My fav's were always the 3rd stage Cleric w/BFM and Warrior w/BFA and sword and board on his back.
I always thought them to be a bit smaller for "GWish" sized scale and always wanted to do scratchbuilds to beef em up. Never had much luck finding replacement parts.
Grimm
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You're right, using these minis make other minis choice more difficult. You always have to worry about minis size.
But the good old trick is to change the base thickness to match the size. I used some wargames factory bases (about the same size than D&D minis bases) for my ral partha heroes, and, for example, used thin metal washer for a couple of D&D minis grunts I wanted to be able to use in my party.
I'll post some pics today. I'd probably better create a work in progress topic for my project, since I had all the answers I needed here.