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Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: area23 on April 15, 2008, 10:43:33 PM

Hi all,

I need a decent british Mark IV tank, to represent the one captured by the Germans and renamed 'Hanni' to be used in Berlin by the Freikorps to supress the Spartakist 'uprising'.

Does anybody know if the 'Hanni' was a female or a hybrid?
What manufacturer is the best (quality/price/detail/size)?

Brigade Games seems to be the most complete range,

 Great Wars is a male, does Old glory make one? Didn't Renegade do one at some point? Are these all the same scale?

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Will Bailie on April 15, 2008, 11:03:11 PM

Brigade sells the Mk IV that used to be sold by Renegade (the Tony Ashcroft designed model).  When ordering, you can specify which sponsons you want so you can get a male, a female or a hermaphrodite.  This model is 1/56 scale.

The Old Glory version is a little smaller - not sure how much, I haven't seen one in the flesh, as it were.

GWM's is supposed to be very nice, but again, I haven't seen it either (don't need to order one, since I have already have a bunch of Tony Ashcroft's!).  GWM have a female version (at least there is one listed on their website, just no photo provided).

Foundry also produces a Mk IV tank.

W

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Keith on April 15, 2008, 11:41:57 PM

Yep - GWM do a female too. Its very nice.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 15, 2008, 11:46:17 PM

Hanni sounds like a girl's name in German. Is that right?

In my limited experience of Beutepanzers they gave the male ones men's names and the female ones Women's names.

I have the GWM female Mark IV, I'll go see if I can find a pic of it for you.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 15, 2008, 11:48:35 PM

I believe this is Hanni (I found it on a site selling paper model downloads):
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/WYN-MKIV-Hanni.jpg)

So she was a girl.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 12:25:28 AM

This site says Hanni was indeed a female:

http://www.mylinuxisp.com/~wmccullough/beutepanzeriv.html

(Realised you can't tell from the pic I posted, as the 6pdr would be out of sight on the other side were it an Hermaphrodite.)

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Helen on April 16, 2008, 02:13:09 AM

Here we go:

(http://[img]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/WW1%20AFVs/Hanni.jpg)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/WW1%20AFVs/Hanni1.jpg)
[/img]

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Zafarelli on April 16, 2008, 05:39:17 AM

Quote

Hanni sounds like a girl's name in German. Is that right?

Yup.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 08:57:10 AM

That's odd then, Helen's tank is definitely not a female.

We have a contradiction here. I wonder who is correct? That's obviously not the original paint-job of that tank. I wonder if it is indeed the original tank that bore the name?

 :?:

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 09:22:34 AM

Helen, that tank is in the Kubinka museum, yes?

It's a Mark V, so can't be the real Hanni. It is thought the Germans didn't capture any Mark Vs. That is probably a tank from the RCW that someone has wrongly painted the German markings on, it would seem.

Check out the caption to the pics:
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p5.html

By the way, here's a picture of my Great War Miniatures female, Plum Duff to help you in your choice of what to get:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/PlumDuff-1.jpg)
Dunno why but the Humbrol Metalcote on the tracks and guns never comes out in photos. It just looks black. To the naked eye this tank looks very different. I'm puzzled why I can never take photos that do this model justice. The rust seems much more prominent in a photo, too. In real life you hardly see it. Odd, that.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Helen on April 16, 2008, 10:34:31 AM

Quote from: "Plynkes"

Helen, that tank is in the Kubinka museum, yes?

It's a Mark V, so can't be the real Hanni. It is thought the Germans didn't capture any Mark Vs. That is probably a tank from the RCW that someone has wrongly painted the German markings on, it would seem.

Check out the caption to the pics:
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p5.html

By the way, here's a picture of my Great War Miniatures female, Plum Duff to help you in your choice of what to get:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/PlumDuff-1.jpg)
Dunno why but the Humbrol Metalcote on the tracks and guns never comes out in photos. It just looks black. To the naked eye this tank looks very different. I'm puzzled why I can never take photos that do this model justice. The rust seems much more prominent in a photo, too. In real life you hardly see it. Odd, that.

Hi Poly,

Yep, you are quite correct 8) I wanted to show this picture because of the name :)

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 10:57:06 AM

Right-O. Sorry, misunderstood what you were getting at.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Helen on April 16, 2008, 11:11:01 AM

Quote from: "Plynkes"

Right-O. Sorry, misunderstood what you were getting at.

Yep happens to blonde girls all the time :lol:

Helen

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Poliorketes on April 16, 2008, 11:28:29 AM

Quote from: "Plynkes"

By the way, here's a picture of my Great War Miniatures female, Plum Duff to help you in your choice of what to get:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/PlumDuff-1.jpg)
Dunno why but the Humbrol Metalcote on the tracks and guns never comes out in photos. It just looks black. To the naked eye this tank looks very different. I'm puzzled why I can never take photos that do this model justice. The rust seems much more prominent in a photo, too. In real life you hardly see it. Odd, that.

Compared with the minis in the foreground this one seems a bit larger than the Tony Ashcroft Model, or is it just the perspective?

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 12:25:51 PM

I have no experience of the Tony Ashcroft model I'm afraid, so I couldn't really compare. I'll take a side-on shot later when I've got a minute, to try and give a better tank/figure comparison.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Poliorketes on April 16, 2008, 01:05:28 PM

Could you do ti with a ruler?

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 01:06:52 PM

Sure. Would you prefer the Metric or Imperial side of the ruler?

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Poliorketes on April 16, 2008, 01:10:06 PM

*g* cm, thanks.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 02:05:25 PM

Hope this is okay, I ain't much of a photographer.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/PlumDuffSizeComp.jpg)
Had to have the ruler at the back like that, don't have enough hands to hold it and take the photo at the same time, and nobody's here to assist me today.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Poliorketes on April 16, 2008, 02:10:30 PM

Superb! That's fast service. Thanks again! I guess it's the rails that make it look larger.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 02:22:04 PM

I should say I added the Lewis gun barrels from my bits box. It comes with Hotchkiss barrels, I seem to remember.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: area23 on April 16, 2008, 09:18:18 PM

Thanks a lot!
It was the Hanni like the paper kit I was after.
Never knew about the naming. The only contemporary pic I know shows the tank from the same side, while riding into Berlin.
And the diagrams I got from the Disposable Y-group, which shows all beute tanks as hermafrodite.

I suppose Brigade is the way to go then.

I'm curious about the story of that Mk V though. :)

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Plynkes on April 16, 2008, 09:41:02 PM

Quote from: "area23"

And the diagrams I got from the Disposable Y-group, which shows all beute tanks as hermafrodite.

That's interesting, as I have yet to find a reference to an hermaphrodite Beutepanzer. All the ones in the books I have are clearly referred to as either Male or Female. I haven't ever seen a captured Hermaphrodite.

 :?:

While wandering the web looking into this I saw a reference to a book all about the captured tanks in the Great War. I think I need to find it and get it, to discover exactly what's what. This has piqued my interest.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Helen on April 17, 2008, 01:04:07 AM

Quote from: "area23"

Thanks a lot!
It was the Hanni like the paper kit I was after.
Never knew about the naming. The only contemporary pic I know shows the tank from the same side, while riding into Berlin.
And the diagrams I got from the Disposable Y-group, which shows all beute tanks as hermafrodite.

I suppose Brigade is the way to go then.

I'm curious about the story of that Mk V though. :)

Hi,


I took the photo from this link which has a story if you just scroll down a little:

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75360&hl=Hanni

If the weather holds I'll take  a photo of my Brigade Games MKIV for Gaza with ruler and some Brigade Games figures this pm.

Helen

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Helen on April 17, 2008, 01:24:55 AM

Quote from: "Plynkes"

Quote from: "area23"

And the diagrams I got from the Disposable Y-group, which shows all beute tanks as hermafrodite.

That's interesting, as I have yet to find a reference to an hermaphrodite Beutepanzer. All the ones in the books I have are clearly referred to as either Male or Female. I haven't ever seen a captured Hermaphrodite.

 :?:

While wandering the web looking into this I saw a reference to a book all about the captured tanks in the Great War. I think I need to find it and get it, to discover exactly what's what. This has piqued my interest.

Hi Poly,

I did a search on the Great War Forum and came up with this search result:

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=339d8dd19aaf8d63f493011cd6df184b&search_in=posts&result_type=topics&highlite=%2BBeutepanzer

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=6db6344b73b8dc947ef23115c8b8f72e&search_in=posts&result_type=topics&highlite=%2BBeute%3DPanzer

http://www.landships.freeservers.com/on_beute-mkIV_strasheim.htm

http://multisites.phpnet.org/alaurent/blindes/mk4.html

There will be some duplication of threads but I used two different key words.

Happy Reading 8)

Helen

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: Helen on April 17, 2008, 06:13:37 AM

Here we go, Brigade Games MKIV:

(http://[img]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/Middle%20East/HelensMKIV001.jpg)[/img]

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: area23 on April 18, 2008, 09:57:37 PM

Correction; the line drawings of the tanks are in the Back of Beyond group files-section:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/BackofBeyondDiscussion/files/

And with Disposable I meant Contemptible-Y-group.

Title: Mark IV tank 'Hanni'
Post by: brigadegames on April 20, 2008, 05:23:12 PM

as an FYI -

the sponsons on my Mark IV and V tanks rotate. These and the Whippet were designed by Tony Ashcroft.

http://www.brigadegames.com/go.mvc?ID=BGT