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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on April 25, 2013, 01:52:19 PM
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We thought that we would have a go at the new phenomenon that is Kickstarter as it seemed a great way to finance a large project in one go. Thus benefitting both us and the customers.
With this in mind something new was called for and so many months ago we decided on a kind of Cold War goes Hot........in the Pacific.
Recent events in that theatre have caught up with us but our initial thought process was that with growing Chinese economic power at some point there would be a clash.
The range will start with USMC moving onto PLA and including Australians, Special forces, local island militia, and perhaps Japanese.
Here are some pictures of the initial sculpts.
PLA
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/KS02_zps651dbff4.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/KS02_zps651dbff4.jpg.html)
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USMC
These figures come with seperate heads with helmets and boonie hats.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/KS03_zps620de3cf.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/KS03_zps620de3cf.jpg.html)
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We hope you like the idea and any and all suggestions are welcome.
http://www.empressminiatures.com/
Regards,
Paul
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Oh no! Not yet another KS that I will have to get involve in!
lol
Seriously, which "period" it’s supposed to cover? Late 80’s?
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Looking at the figures they are much more this week than 1980s :)
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Looks great. Pity I can't use kickstarter. :(
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*Drool*
Not a region I had ever thought of gaming, but it does seem very promising :)
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Awsome only problem is I struggle with the whole kickstarter process :'( one of you empress guys will have to help me 8)
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I like the modern USMC sculpts.
While Western forces are important, you already have a lot of US Army, British Army, Delta and SAS.
What is needed is plausible enemies.
These could be regular (Chinese or North Koreans) or "Far eastern" insurgents (e.g. Indonesians, Philipino).
Do you have any sculpts of the Chinese Army - that would be very interesting to see?
The whole idea sounds very interesting - When will you start?
Regards
Mick
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The top two photographs are PLA, at first glance I thought "USMC" but with a closer look the rifle and webbing gave the game away, anyway hope that helps :)
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Ok, thanks.
I would probably buy some Chinese PLA (and some North Koreans).
Mick
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I agree that North Koreans might be a popular choice of opponent - although not on the list so far as I can see - I'm not sure if there are many potential conversion candidates out there? (Maybe cold war soviets with moderate-substantial modifiactions?)
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I was really against the whole Kickstarter concept but joining the West Wind Requiem was a fun (and expensive) experience. I was really happy though with the final outcome and the very professional way the project was handled. After the TAG Tudor historical Kickstarter failed I fear though for historical KS projects. I am not sure I understand what period we are talking about here, a fictional conflict in the far east? "local island militia" sounds fun but does it have any connection to actual historical events?
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VERY interested in some Chinese, although I have absolutely no idea why! Might be the first time I back a Kickstarter pledge
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Like the idea, and North Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese would be innovative, but don't you already do US and UK miniatures? How different will these sculpts be? Seems a bit redundant. I'd rather see something new added that could be used for other theaters as well such as Modern Russians or even Indians/Pakistanis or some other country contiguous with China.
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I agree with axabrax.
I already have (almost) one of each Empress sculpt of Modern US Army, British Infantry and SAS.
My priority is opponents for them not allies or other US / British units.
I might buy 4 of each allied force to paint up for display but I would buy 30+ of interesting enemies.
Mick
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SO has the Kickstarter been posted yet, or is this just info on your plans? I have a copy of Force on Force on the way, as well as a copy of rules for The Battlefield, so I would love some minis to go with it.
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PLA trooper is absolutely fantastic, as is the SASR trooper on your front page. Sterling work!
Best of luck with this. Your idea is great. :D
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Ladies... Uh... I mean just Gentlemen...
The United States Army, is not the same thing as the United States Marine Corps, some of the equipment they have is the same, yes, but there is enough variation to warrant developing and creating different figures for either force.
I actually admit, this looks pretty awesome... I got rid of my 28mm Moderns ages ago because I personally didn't feel it was going anywhere it felt too sporadic so I just stuck to my 20mm to fill in both larger battles and skirmishes etc (and still will), but if Empress is going to do a full complete range with various factions, then sorted, I may dip back into it for Character styled skirmish games, sort of like Modern combat rpg??
I would like to see some Indian Army personally, as they may dip in (Special forces with Tavors perhaps??) and you can use loads of Russian and British cold war kit for em. Russian stuff is already available, as its likely the Russians wouldn't let something big kick of on their doorstep without having a hand in it.
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Wow perfect timing on this 8) I was looking for more PLA stuff for my musorian project and low and behold you guys are coming out with not only the PLA but the whole theatres my project is set in. Asia as well AWESOME! The sculpts are fantastic cant wait to see more please do share more.... oh yeah where do I sign up to sell my kidneys to get all these lol
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Nice sculpts but....
Fellow LAFer Col Stone already does some quite nice modern PLA. The sculpts shown look very nice, a shade better maybe and competition is fine thing but I get the impression for what is a bit of niche there may not be sufficient demand to support such a project when you can already buy these off the shelf. Without vehicles and China is the big gap for modern vehicles, I can't see that demand growing.
Likewise, Eureka produce some truly first rate contemporary USMC and they have an established market for these figures for at least a year. Speaking personally I have more than enough marines already. Kriegspiel miniatures do some modern Japanese in 28mm. They aren't exactly the world's best sculpts but they are available now.
As an aside it seems to me that you've missed one of the most likely opponents of the PLA and one nobody currently makes, the Vietnamese. Fortunately for anyone interested in doing a Spratly Island game, the Kriegspiel miniatures Musorians work as quite reasonable proxies.
I wish you well with the project. Should any of these ever come to fruition as part of your regular lines I will no doubt pick one or two up to supplement my existing figures but in all honesty I can't see myself shelling out dosh for a Kickstarter.
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I don't have the money to get in on the kickstarter...but I adore Empress minis, and more quality moderns is always a good thing (it's on my list of to-do genres...)
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As an aside it seems to me that you've missed one of the most likely opponents of the PLA and one nobody currently makes, the Vietnamese.
2013/14 Vietnamese? Really? Gosh, I can count the number of requests for those on no hands!
I reckon you'd need more than a Kickstarter to make those pay their way. ;D
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My daughter got some Empress miniatures at Salute (see blog http://garymitchell.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Sheila-Tacku-Column-3-Salute-Special.pdf ) and I subsequently have got British infantry. An excellent range and an interesting 'new' Cold War period.
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Some great ideas please keep them coming ;)
Here are some more pictures.
Another USMC. If you look at the uniforms and equipment you can clearly see the difference between the US Army and the USMC.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/KS06_zpsdbdb27dc.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/KS06_zpsdbdb27dc.jpg.html)
An example of NZ SAS.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/KS07_zps4929b4a9.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/KS07_zps4929b4a9.jpg.html)
Regards,
Paul
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2013/14 Vietnamese? Really? Gosh, I can count the number of requests for those on no hands!
I reckon you'd need more than a Kickstarter to make those pay their way. ;D
I agree and if I really, really wanted them I'd go the private commission route then flog 'em online. :D
That Kiwi trooper looks superb.
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well you've got me hooked if you do Aussie support teams :-* :-*
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The Chinese soldier looks fantastic and island militia sounds great too.
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Don't forget, that China also borders Afghanistan. Who is to say once NATO pull's out, that The PLA wont move in?
I do like the sculpts but, As stated above I would like to see more regional forces.
Like Afghan National army, Pakistan army, Indian armed forces in Pakta helmets, and North and south Korean forces. :)
Heck, even Indonesian and the Philippians military would be cool. (But I guess they might fall under the Vietnam category)
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Whoever I have to bribe to push the Island Militia up the priority list, let me know... :D
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This looks great. I think there is certainly room on the market for more than one range of PLA. I would also like to see some modern naval landing parties as well as marines. No one does modern sailors. This range looks like its going to feature excellent figures and I can't wait.
North Koreans would be ideal.
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I have to admit I like the idea of a Pacific-based modern scenario, it's very 'Far Cry 3' and 'Last Resort'... but then I like the sound of a lot of things, I'm a wargamer.
lol
I have to admit though, that I would have been tempted to get something like 'Jazz Age Imperialism' up and running myself, but hey!
I'm with Smith though... Island Militia and other Irregulars... show me the lead! ;)
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Im in. Just tell me when and where to sign.
Take my money, please?
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The more I think about it, the more I think maybe you are right to ignore my advice in earlier email, and to go ahead and do the US and Commonwealth stuff. The fact is that people like to play "the good guys,, and as much as I would love to see modern Indians, they probably are a very niche subject. in fact, I wonder if even doing Pacwar is too niche. Unless you are coming out with an accompanying campaign supplement and rules, why even limit yourself to that? Why not just do a "modern miniatures" Kickstarter and go for the broadest appeal possible? I would also look to modern video video games for inspiration. People always like elite units as well, so you could do a Cold War Black Ops pack, personality pack with "lone wolf in night vision gear with silenced pistol." Evil criminal mastermind. Bank Robbery crew. Generic African Mercs, Etc., Etc. I am personally a fan on narrative/scenario based figures.
Just out of curiosity what sort of a rules tie in will there be, or will this be rules agnostic? Are you working with the Ops Squad Modern team? I like the idea of being able to sell a package with everything you need to play.
I really do like the Flashpoint Pacific idea, but it needs to be tied into at least a generic scenario/campaign supplement to be worth doing, otherwise it's unnecessarily restrictive in my humble opinion.
Steve
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the only thing better than this would be if you made a 1/56-1/50 M-ATV :D
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Would definitely be interested in some PLA and I think someone mentioned Indians in their unique helmet (Pakta?) they would make great opponents for a fictitious (lets hope!) war.
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Would definitely be interested in some PLA and I think someone mentioned Indians in their unique helmet (Pakta?) they would make great opponents for a fictitious (lets hope!) war.
The Indian troops wearing the Pakta are Sikhs I think (as the Pakta is the name of a specific headgear Sikhs wear whilst on civvie street), the other troops in Indian service (as there are Hindus and Muslims who are more numerous) are not as fussed about headgear and overall they tend to wear a mix of Russian/Indigenous Russian knock offs.
Home Guard and Police units still tend to use/ are equipped with British Cold War and to an extent 1940s-1950s British colonial uniforms.
The basic Indian weapon is the INSAS Assault rifle (there is also an LMG variant) but they also use AKMs, AK74s, 47s etc (naturally I assume the PKM, PKP and other Russian LMGs are in use but I can't clarify) and the FN FAL still features in some home guard units. Bolt action WW2 Vintage Enfield rifles, sterling submachine guns and Bren LMGs are still used by their police, Home guard, second line troops etc; the Bren machine gun is still being manufactured in India as far as I'm aware.
The Indian army has also for awhile done business with Israel, I know the Tavor is in use with their special forces.
As for vehicles, the primary vehicles in Indian service are already widely available; T-90 (India being the first country outside Russia to update its T-72s to the T-90 or have them imported or built at home from scratch) and T-72, BMP-2 being their most common IFV. But In truth you can use a huge range of Russian and Cold War British vehicles.
In the event of a War with China (or indeed any other neighbour) there would also be a large presence of militia, as they'd act as a smoke screen to keep the enemy busy whilst the main force gets into gear.
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The Indian troops wearing the Pakta are Sikhs I think (as the Pakta is the name of a specific headgear Sikhs wear whilst on civvie street), the other troops in Indian service (as there are Hindus and Muslims who are more numerous) are not as fussed about headgear and overall they tend to wear a mix of Russian/Indigenous Russian knock offs.......
The basic Indian weapon is the INSAS Assault rifle (there is also an LMG variant) but they also use AKMs, AK74s, 47s etc (naturally I assume the PKM, PKP and other Russian LMGs are in use but I can't clarify) and the FN FAL still features in some home guard units.......
The helmets are domestic and IIRC a knock off of a Korean pattern.
The Indian army has sought expressions of interest for a new weapon to replace the Insas, which has had a troublesome service history. The Indian SF are using the Tavor but curiously enough they had a lot of complaints which ultimately resulted in some modifications around the issue of stoppages due to dust. Odd that an Israeli weapon would prove unreliable in dusty conditions.
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The helmets are domestic and IIRC a knock off of a Korean pattern.
The Indian army has sought expressions of interest for a new weapon to replace the Insas, which has had a troublesome service history. The Indian SF are using the Tavor but curiously enough they had a lot of complaints which ultimately resulted in some modifications around the issue of stoppages due to dust. Odd that an Israeli weapon would prove unreliable in dusty conditions.
Ah I didn't know that about the Korean pattern! Learn something new everyday!
As for the the Tavor, that is surprising, but that said don't the Israelis themselves still use the weapons they get off the Americans (I guess they modify them somewhat) instead of the Tavor?? Maybe it was a complete cop up of a gun and thus why they sold them of to India and Georgia lol
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Ah I didn't know that about the Korean pattern! Learn something new everyday!
As for the the Tavor, that is surprising, but that said don't the Israelis themselves still use the weapons they get off the Americans (I guess they modify them somewhat) instead of the Tavor?? Maybe it was a complete cop up of a gun and thus why they sold them of to India and Georgia lol
Doubt it, some of the combat units have the Tavor.
But the Logistics Corps still uses M-16s. ;)
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Doubt it, some of the combat units have the Tavor.
But the Logistics Corps still uses M-16s. ;)
M-16s aren't the only U.S made guns on the market you know.
M-4s are far more common, and there are other variations up for grabs :)
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M-16s aren't the only U.S made guns on the market you know.
M-4s are far more common, and there are other variations up for grabs :)
True, but I did mean M-16.
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anyone making more modern era minis is a good thing, and espeially so if it is empress as their existing range is one of the best around.
My gut instict is that Pacwar is a bit niche, but then again I have just finished making a load of jungle scenery for a Burma 1942 campign, so I might be tempted. ;)
Also I am not sure how commited the UK would be to a war in the pacific theatre as I don't think we have much presence there anymore. I might be wrong.
Don't eureka already make Aussie SAS?
I especailly like the idea of Indian army, and would get some of them as peacekeepers for my Africa campaign. Indian army do a lot of peace keeping all around the world, so might be useful for other theatures too.
My other thought was a Red Dawn senerio, with North Korean and or Chinese invading USA. That way I can use all my mates 'Pulp City' scenery. :D
One final note is that USMC reminds me of Battle for LA. USMC vs Aliens? Cool. :)
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Don't eureka already make Aussie SAS?
well they only do a couple and they're all on bikes/quads. They do do standard Aussies ( but no friggn support teams for them >:() which r very nice
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I wouldn't call Pacwar 'niche' as practically every single army mentioned as being apart of this new range (yes, even the PLA) can be used either in Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern states or Somalia/other African states.
Not one of them currently isn't fighting some sort of conflict.
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I wouldn't call Pacwar 'niche' as practically every single army mentioned as being apart of this new range (yes, even the PLA) can be used either in Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern states or Somalia/other African states.
Not one of them currently isn't fighting some sort of conflict.
Also do not forget that, one of the main resins for China's increase in military spending is to have a bigger footprint in Africa also. So you can conceivable have China doing covert ops or sustainability operations over there.
Or Just an old bash from the past, and border fight with the Russian Federation,
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M-16s aren't the only U.S made guns on the market you know.
M-4s are far more common, and there are other variations up for grabs :)
The Israelis have long used both the M16, its variants and more recently the M4. Hildred's right though, the M16 is the most common second-line, rear area, police and recruit issue weapon, although it will likely become the M4 and CTAR in the future, once enough MTARs are in front line service.
The issue with either TAR version is cost, the M4 is much cheaper (roughly 30% of the cost of a TAR), while the TAR types are more comfortable, accurate and reliable... unless it's a bit dusty apparently...
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Also do not forget that, one of the main resins for China's increase in military spending is to have a bigger footprint in Africa also. So you can conceivable have China doing covert ops or sustainability operations over there.
Or Just an old bash from the past, and border fight with the Russian Federation,
Good point. Count me in for some Chinese as well as the Indians.
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Frankly, I think an Empress Kickstarter will blow the roof off. I think they could pretty much pick whatever theater they wanted, and they will make a killing (and some incredible minis!) Cant wait.
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Well thanks to everyone who took the time to comment, especially the useful ones lol
We are in the deep planning stage and from these comments the range will cover even more troop types than originally planned. Sadly no Vietnamese troops though ;)
The Kickstarter should hit the world in a few weeks.
Regards,
Paul and all at Empress :)
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http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-incursion-leaves-india-verge-crisis-044158564.html
Really world imitates art. :o
Not trying to hijack the thread, just food for thought.
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https://www.facebook.com/yudhabhyas
My old Regiment Training with Indian army Paratroopers. :)
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That is some cool pictures. Thank you for the reference.
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I was discussing this with some colleagues... you know what is interesting? The Chinese are silent. I have to ask my two PLA friends if they want to comment, but, despite by longstanding support of an allied India... recently India is doing weird things that are setting weird precedents. Kindapping Italian naval infantrymen, accusing China to have violated the Indain territory (but with no backings).
Well my hunch is that this time the Chinese are right...
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Probably my thoughts are not accurate in terms of "actual" conflicts, but...most of us creates our own campaigns for modern war, so a new range of Russians (with empress stunning detail level) would be awesome. Modern Warfare style Russians are a nice start point...and probably could be used as generic troops with AK-M.
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Red Box already do a nice range of russians- it's not a massive range, but the sculpts are nice. I think Empress could do well to do some N.Koreans or Chinese. no one else is doing those.
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i think you mean Red Star miniatures, for the Russians.
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Red Box already do a nice range of russians- it's not a massive range, but the sculpts are nice. I think Empress could do well to do some N.Koreans or Chinese. no one else is doing those.
The Red Star Russians are now pretty out of date for standard Russian regulars; considering they are meant to represent a conflict that happened about 22/23 years ago, things have changed much since then.
Not saying they would be useless; they would fit in perfectly as Second Line troops, militias, Home guard style units. Although Russia is practically reshaping its Army (Its troops now will be using the alternative material AK74M, AEK and AN-94 depending on the division/role of that unit, they will have new helmets, body armour and new camo, which is a dark green digi-camoesque attempt, though that could have changed since) it will still retain or rely on a large body of 'reservists' who will practically have all the older equipment dumped on them.
Also no one does any good modern Spetznaz.
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Lets just do em all! :D
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Also no one does any good modern Spetznaz.
Which Spetznaz, the GRU ones? VDV ones? etc.
I second commissarmoody, lets get them all! :D
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Well the Red Star Russians were tailored fro Grozny 2 (maybe someone missed that one in all the wars :D well it is Caucasus we can miss one... )... that was what the guys from Red Star told me. The kit is pretty up to date compared with whom I have seen in real (opposed to nice parade ground) equipment. It fit well with the pictures form the late Ives Debay. And I will be obnoxious and picky... equipment is not depending on division, plus spetsanz uniform, again outside parade ground, tend to be a bit of mix and match.
I am, not keen in seeing Empress doing a thing that they are already selling and a cracking good product by the way. Better to see something new. I am also a bit loath of all these people 'do this, do that' without regards for economics. Let's see what the Empresses, Paul, and Keith have prepared for us and how it sells.
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The Red Star Russians are now pretty out of date for standard Russian regulars....
The Russian's never throw anything away, I don't think they understand the term "out of date" lol
But you are probably right the Red Star guys are probably more Category B Units than the best equipped Category A guys.
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Oh I agree totally Arrigo. Focus on getting the core of their kickstarter done. And then if they meet there goals, Then maybe branch out to all the crazy that we are talking about. Don't want them to blow them self's out trying to please us all. :)
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What is the date when this will hit Kickstarter?
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Well the Red Star Russians were tailored fro Grozny 2 (maybe someone missed that one in all the wars :D well it is Caucasus we can miss one... )... that was what the guys from Red Star told me. The kit is pretty up to date compared with whom I have seen in real (opposed to nice parade ground) equipment. It fit well with the pictures form the late Ives Debay. And I will be obnoxious and picky... equipment is not depending on division, plus spetsanz uniform, again outside parade ground, tend to be a bit of mix and match.
I am, not keen in seeing Empress doing a thing that they are already selling and a cracking good product by the way. Better to see something new. I am also a bit loath of all these people 'do this, do that' without regards for economics. Let's see what the Empresses, Paul, and Keith have prepared for us and how it sells.
Grozny '2' was 1999. It has only been in the past few years have Russia attempted to practically reorganize/modernize their army, primarily as a result of the poor performance in Chechnya, and to keep up with the Chinese, Americans, Georgians etc.
And yes equipment is specific to division/role as only certain weapons (such as the already mentioned AN-94 and AEK) have been issued to specific units and won't be found across the board. Certain weapons have only been issued to Special forces, whilst others to mechanized/motor divisions. Granted practically all of them will probably have stock of the older weapons such as the AKs etc, that's a given, but that is not the case for weapons made in the past 10-20 years, as often they have a limited run of production, or are far more complicated to make, or like the AN-94 actually require a very high standard of training to use effectively and to maintain and thus can't be given to just anyone.
The actual Russian army isn't all just a cooking pot of various uniforms anymore. It used to be, but as I have already said, they have gone to great lengths recently to make everything less ragtag. Similar to what the U.K is doing, they are making the Regular force much smaller and (for them) far better trained, whilst having a vast reserve force of not so well trained troops, who will definitely be equipped with practically anything. The only 'Regular' troops that would still have the equipment the Russians were using in 1999 would be those in the back-of-beyond regions, frontier troops etc, and these will either be reorganized and re-equipped or sneakily downgraded to being reservists or paramilitaries.
I never mentioned anything about Spetznaz uniforms because its common knowledge Special forces worldwide wear whatever the hell they like BUT they have a much larger array of small arms to choose from that the Russian military has not made available to your bog standard soldier (unless you get a corrupt officer selling them of).
As a final point we are suggesting, we are not demanding this and that, and we are quite aware of the economics involved, yet the purpose of this thread was for Empress to announce the kickstarter and for us to throw ideas at them. And thus we are throwing ideas at them that are relevant to the subject at hand. ;)
In the case of doing Ultra-Modern Russian Regulars Empress wouldn't have to do all that many figs, as they could supplement the Red star troops in the older gear.
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. The only 'Regular' troops that would still have the equipment the Russians were using in 1999 would be those in the back-of-beyond regions, frontier troops etc
Brilliant! The very forces you would need for a conflict in Asia.
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Brilliant! The very forces you would need for a conflict in Asia.
Yes, because the actual military would NOT be called in whatsoever. o_o
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Yes, because the actual military would NOT be called in whatsoever. o_o
Eh?
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Eh?
I think he means the first tear front line divisions, Special forces, VDV and internal security troops :D
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I think he means the first tear front line divisions, Special forces, VDV and internal security troops :D
Exactly. Just because we have minis to represent a fraction of a military doesn't mean we can't have other parts of it available.
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Another slight problem is that the Red Star range are dressed for the depths of winter in the Caucasus. Might look a bit odd matching them up against figures garbed for warmer climes.
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Another slight problem is that the Red Star range are dressed for the depths of winter in the Caucasus. Might look a bit odd matching them up against figures garbed for warmer climes.
Oh I don't know, some of these tropical diseases need you to conserve a lot of body heat... lol
Personally I quite liked the original idea of the thread, a small war in the Pacific, which to me was something new and different - exactly what Kickstarter is all about... I'm sure it could be ramped up over time, or even within the context of the kickstarter itself at high funding levels, but PLA, local militias and the 'usual suspects' is quite enough for me to be honest.
:)
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I suspect that Chinese of a variety and time period more to your taste are not to0 far over the horizon Jim ;)
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Another slight problem is that the Red Star range are dressed for the depths of winter in the Caucasus. Might look a bit odd matching them up against figures garbed for warmer climes.
That is a good point. My propesed campaign will be set in Northern europe, so the Red Star look the part, but they would certainly be a bit over dressed for a Pasific island. Or Africa.
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I'm sure the Mountainous regions of Eastern Russia can pretty fricking Cold. Perhaps China might invade Russia during Winter?? lol
Plus Russia do have holdings in the Pacific and a large Navy presence :D
But yes, totally, do them much later down the line once the actual kickstarter etc has had some success, they can be a sort of expansion as the war gets worse possibly??
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I suspect that Chinese of a variety and time period more to your taste are not to0 far over the horizon Jim ;)
Not to divert the thread any more than usual, but who? when? Are we talking Korean War? :)
I'm sure the Mountainous regions of Eastern Russia can pretty fricking Cold. Perhaps China might invade Russia during Winter?? lol
Sounds like a good idea for a Tom Clancy novel... oh wait, it was. ;)
But yes, totally, do them much later down the line once the actual kickstarter etc has had some success, they can be a sort of expansion as the war gets worse possibly??
Without a doubt, starting small is the formula for any successful project. Which is why mine invariably fail. :?
;)
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Not to divert the thread any more than usual, but who? when? Are we talking Korean War? :)
we are talking about today.
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You might be. Jim and I are talking about the past and the Real Cold War (TM) Showing our age no doubt. But that's for another time and another thread.
We return to our normal programming......
Judging by the sculpts, those Chinese are going to be very chilly fighting Russians in winter.
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A big resounding yes to Chinese and also perhaps Japanese, maybe so e Taiwanese
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Chinese marines
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Thanks for sharing the pic.
Oh and just to make one last request for US Army. I would like to see a walking 240 crew, a javelin armed grunt, a mark 48, a trooper armed with a punisher and a turrent gunner. You know nothing big.
Just a small simple request :P
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so whats happening to this kickstarter ?????????
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so whats happening to this kickstarter ?????????
I would imagine a great deal of planning, consideration of options, weighing up of its viability and commissioning of greens etc... we've all seen where starting a Kickstarter based purely on a concept and nothing else ends up, after all.
Be patient! It's Empress, it will be good. ;)
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Things are moving forward quickly.
There's been a very useful period of talking to existing (and potentially new) customers via email and at recent shows. Much of the feedback will be incorporated into the Kickstarter. :)
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great to hear things are happening behind the scenes :)
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Im really excited about this. This will be a popular Kickstarter.
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Don't forget, that China also borders Afghanistan. Who is to say once NATO pull's out, that The PLA wont move in?
<snip>
Maybe the only people the "Don't get involved in a land war in Asia" doesn't apply to?
Gracias,
Glenn
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Just an update.
We are still working hard on developing this but are very close now to launching. Should be little over a week now. ;)
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Great to hear.
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Awesome. Need some of the Chinese after watching Tomorrow when the war began and reading the Invasion America novels lol
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Is "Invasion America" as grown worthy as "Tomorrow when the war began" is? If So I can not wait to read it! lol
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Nevadans seem to delight in reading something that may offend or annoy.
Twenty-three years ago I was on an inbound flight to Las Vegas, reading a copy of Fear and Loathing in LV. The guy next to me noticed the cover and demanded to know what it was about, so I handed over the book, with a brief rejoinder about it being the archetypal example of Gonzo journalism. As he skimmed through it I noticed his expression change from mildly perplexed to decidedly irritated and his face start to mottle red. Grunts of apparent disapproval followed by a 'is this guy for real?' came from my fellow passenger. Fortunately we were landing so we never got the opportunity to expand on the topic. It was a vaguely Thompsonesque moment all of itself.
Amusing city, though I hear it's become a lot more 'family friendly' in the intervening years. Almost got married there but that's another story.
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its actually has mellowed a bit. We still party hard, and enjoy "strange" things. But we are actually almost pushing a million people now in Clark county. Most of them of course only live here half the year, but those numbers combined with there kids, kill's some of the fun.
Like i personally avoid the strip like a sickness, its amateur night ever day on that road. Ok I'll admit it, I some times go there just to people watch or because a band I like is playing at the Peril or Mandalay bay. :D
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Oh and would like to see some separate operator heads like in US8
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great to hear
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More really life inspiration. JDF forces Training with the USMC in California.
http://news.yahoo.com/japanese-troops-head-calif-beach-training-134839635.html
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Well we have submitted the Kickstarter and are now awaiting permission to push the button and start. Should be a couple of days or so.
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Great news! Looking forward to this one :D
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Well we have submitted the Kickstarter and are now awaiting permission to push the button and start. Should be a couple of days or so.
Great news! :)
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aannnd....now?
howbout now?
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Lets get it done! :D
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What about now?
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not to be rude...but now??? :D :D
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'Steady the Buffs' lol
Nearly now. We got the Yes from Kickstarter last night. (When I had gone to bed ::))
Just some last minute tweaks and the button should be pressed this evening. (When I am not in bed ;) )
Paul
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How bout now?
Those time zones are playing hell with my eagerness.
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It's up and running!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/535186969/empress-miniatures-devil-dogs-and-dragons-28mm-fig?ref=banner
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Just pledged- relatively small because I am a bit skint, but I want to do my bit. Looking forward to December!
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Looking forward to seeing the Aussies :)
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^^ agreed
just pledged
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As did I.
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Me too lol
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Pledged as well :)
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Just pledged.
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(Note - same post as on TMP)
I just pledged for the Boonie Early Bird, but I also want the Chinese Early Bird. How can I do this? I tried but cannot work it out.
Can Empress make this an option as a stretch goal?
Mick
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(Note - same post as on TMP)
I just pledged for the Boonie Early Bird, but I also want the Chinese Early Bird. How can I do this? I tried but cannot work it out.
Can Empress make this an option as a stretch goal?
Mick
And suddenly I do not feel so alone.
I pledged for PLA5 Early Bird! But I would also love to have 5 Marine Units in helmets. I realy Thing we Need another GBP 65 Level!
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Agreed! £65 for 5 Marine boonie/K-Pot units, 5 PLA units, plus all the goodies sounds perfect!
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first kickstarter i've ever pledged on.
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Why are the Chinese packs fitted out with two different types of assault rifle? That seems an odd choice. Is there a real world rationale for this? I was of the impression that units were equipped with either the QBZ-03 or the QBZ-95.
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Just more food for thought. Japanese troops are getting trained to do amphibious operations. Some thing they haven't done since the end of World War 2.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/10/japan-holds-unprecedented-military-exercise-in-us.html?ESRC=dod.nl
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Just more food for thought. Japanese troops are getting trained to do amphibious operations. Some thing they haven't done since the end of World War 2.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/10/japan-holds-unprecedented-military-exercise-in-us.html?ESRC=dod.nl
Exactly. Its this sort of information that got us interested in a new area of oppoerations. Japanese troops will be one of the stretch goals, if we get that far ::)
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Why are the Chinese packs fitted out with two different types of assault rifle? That seems an odd choice. Is there a real world rationale for this? I was of the impression that units were equipped with either the QBZ-03 or the QBZ-95.
I see where your coming from but i personally like the idea of variation. That and the fact the Bullup (QBZ-95?) is reported to not be that good, and more of a show weapon, whereas the QBZ-03 is said to be far more reliable and practical. If both weapons can use the same Magazine and rounds then that might make it less of an issue.
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I am in for a small amount. :)
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They achieved funding with £7,500 pledged two minutes ago :o
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I just upped my pledge a bit :) Don't want to miss out on all those lovely stretch goals. I'll see how long I'll be able to keep focus on one force though...
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Just to be sure.
I have an initial plege of 35£ with 20 marines with helmet.
I have updated my pledge with 6£.
I have automatically the additionnal support weapons unit ?
That's right ??
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I believe that's correct:)
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Ok, thank you.
But, I've read that : for the frogman unit, I must to give 6£ too.
How it's work ?
If I have give already 6£ what's determine the difference between support weapon and frogmen ??
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You'll sort it out when the kickstarter has ended :)
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You'll sort it out when the kickstarter has ended :)
Yup, normally a query is posted and all is fine.
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Ok.
I give some more money and after the end of the kikcstarter, I'll have the choice between different things for the money I have spend ?
I'm sorry, it's my first experience.
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Yes that's it. You'll receive a questionnaire at the end.
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Well done Team Lead Adventure. :D
We have announced the first three stretch goals as well as another free figure. As each stretch goal is achieved, ::) sorry if a stretch goals is achieved , we add another to the list. Oh and we have a long list of scrummy ideas ;)
Paul
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I saw the kick starter when there was only 2 backers and even though I don't game moderns (zombie post-apoc not withstanding) I thought "I really like those figures". It wasn't till much later I saw there might be Japanese too and figured a near future Sino-Japanese conflict could be an idea. By that time all the worms were gone (to the Early Birds)! I should have gone with my initial reaction to just back it! I see there has been a lot of queries about a 20 + 20 pledge, which would be ideal. They are lovely figures!
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Well done guys and girls,
The first stretch goal has been accomplished and we are now onto the second - Chinese Special Forces.
After that Australians - Oh Yes!!!!! :)
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As usual I am too dense to understand the Kickstarter pledge levels. Say I want to get two forces one Marines, one Chinese, about a squad per force. I don't see how to do that. Say I want to get two small platoons one per force--how do I do that? I will likely have to provide both forces for any game I play so I don't want a lot of figures for only one force. Any recommendations? Would be nice to get all the free stuff too. ;)
Thanks
Steve
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1. Pick a choise of whatever suits you (american or chinese).
2. "Up" your pledge level so it includes the cost for whatever nation that you haven't chosen :)
3. When the KS has ended, a form is sent out so you can "tick off" whatever choises you want.
4. Wait impatiently until december.
5. Post a "Where is my stuff, ooooh my gooood, I want them now!" message every three weeks or so in this thread
6. Watch other people update this thread that they've recieved their stuff. Reply "Where's my stuff?! Where?! Where?!".
7. Sent the same message to Empress three times at least
8. Receive your stuff, and then complain about how long it took and that it wasn't worth the wait just to save 4 quid
9. Put the stuff in your lead mountain
10. Dig it up in 10 years when someone is looking for the miniatures and give them away for free.
That sums it up.
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Cynical, but probably true.
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1. Pick a choise of whatever suits you (american or chinese).
2. "Up" your pledge level so it includes the cost for whatever nation that you haven't chosen :)
3. When the KS has ended, a form is sent out so you can "tick off" whatever choises you want.
4. Wait impatiently until december.
5. Post a "Where is my stuff, ooooh my gooood, I want them now!" message every three weeks or so in this thread
6. Watch other people update this thread that they've recieved their stuff. Reply "Where's my stuff?! Where?! Where?!".
7. Sent the same message to Empress three times at least
8. Receive your stuff, and then complain about how long it took and that it wasn't worth the wait just to save 4 quid
9. Put the stuff in your lead mountain
10. Dig it up in 10 years when someone is looking for the miniatures and give them away for free.
That sums it up.
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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As usual I am too dense to understand the Kickstarter pledge levels. Say I want to get two forces one Marines, one Chinese, about a squad per force. I don't see how to do that. Say I want to get two small platoons one per force--how do I do that? I will likely have to provide both forces for any game I play so I don't want a lot of figures for only one force. Any recommendations? Would be nice to get all the free stuff too. ;)
Thanks
Steve
First off, post a question to ask Empress if you could pledge at the £15 level but get a squad of each nationality.
If they say no (I think they should say yes, but hey, it's their project), you could pledge £5 to get the free mini, then an extra £12 (£6 for each squad you want) to get a squad each of USMC and PLA. Once the Kickstarter ends, you'll be emailed a survey and can say which options you actually want.
However, you won't get any of the extra free things (which so far is just a single Marine with an M35) unless you pledge at the £35 level or higher.
So the question really is whether Empress will let you pledge at the "multiple marine squads" level, but actually get some marines and some PLA when it finishes.
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I couldn't resist the to add the nine quids to pull the project up to an even 10500 ;)
Me want to see some more stretch goals, well, more than some aussies that is :-*
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Goal reached! 10626 at the moment. The PLA Special Force will come...
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well 2nd goal reached, only another 3000 to go untill the Aussies :D :D :D :-*
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Can you feel the electricity in the room?
I can.
yep.
I'm excited :)
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Woot! Unlock my PLA! :D
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Well, I have pledged for some PLA. I didn't buy Force on Force for nowt. Was tempted by the pledge level that gives you equal numbers of US and PLA troops but I figure I will want Brits over Americans to start with.
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This seems to be ticking over nicely. I still hold out some hope for Japanese troops if it really takes off; with a Type 10 MBT too, of course.
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Congrats for running a Kickstarter project just as it should be run.
Great quality figures with achievable goals :D
I hope this goes all the way :)
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Is it just me, or does the free SAS mini look like Chuck Norris to anyone else? I think I'll be getting the 20 PLA troops set that will come with Chuck. That way, it'll be a fair fight. ;)
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Think it's supposed to be this guy: Willie Apiata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Apiata), who would probably make Chuck Norris cry... ;D
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Blimey, that bloke's one tough bugger. His citation is pretty amazing!
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(http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bill-apiata-victoria-500-6.jpg)
(http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1342580892/399/7302399_600x400.jpg)
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Damn!
It's Zach Galifianakis in camo! :o
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The Australians have just been unlocked :D
Now onto the SEAL team.
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I don't think it will reach the seals. Only 15 days left... But it was a good kickstarter so far...
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I don't think it will reach the seals. Only 15 days left... But it was a good kickstarter so far...
??? A joke, or? 8)
IMO this KS will go farther than the current strech goals cover! :D
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??? A joke, or? 8)
IMO this KS will go farther than the current strech goals cover! :D
Hey Agis, how much will you put in it???
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Okay, here is what my Holy Grail of Moderns is (any scale) - USAF SOF.
http://www.airforce.com/specialops/?m=2012easearch&pl=google&med=cpc http://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/combat-control-males-only/ http://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pararescue-males-only/
http://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/special-operations-weather-team-specialist-males-only/
http://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/tactical-air-control-party-specialist-tacp-males-only/
Like but close enough? I am not so sure these would work without extensive modifications.
How close to these do others think these are?
Gracias,
Glenn
Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS_AfghanTrans-02.png
USAF SOF images:
http://www.google.com/search?q=USAF+SOF&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ImbLUde1MonlyQHBpIHIBQ&ved=0CGAQsAQ&biw=1275&bih=593
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sorry to say but i agree with NurgleHH on this, it hasn't really moved in the last 5 days :-(. But saying that you never know right
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I think the success of the KS caught them by surprise and didn't have a queue of stretch goals planned. The funding levels are staggered at odd increments and I really appreciate the backers having a say in what comes next but it's catering to a select few and some are feeling left out.
Empress needs to just tell us what their goals are going to be / what they are planning so the campaign can continue going up. That said some of the upcoming goals are cool.
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think u hit it on the head there Johnno, it has leaned towards the USMC more sadly
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Hey Agis, how much will you put in it???
I am already backing this and the amount is of course highly classified! ;) ;) 8)
I still think this KS will get at least at $20.000, but we'll see...
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Because I want to have the seals, it won't be higher then 15.999 GBP. :(
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Because I want to have the seals, it won't be higher then 15.999 GBP. :(
Then you up your pledge with a mere quid?
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For some its payday tomorrow ;)
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I think the stretch goals might sell better if the descriptions weren't covered by a big red "Achieved, great work team!" banner. I can see what's hiding behind the banner on my home computer, but on a tablet, not so much.
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Glad it seems popular enough to make the range happen. Pity i can't help :'(
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It seems that China is sending troops to Mali now to help with the peace keeping forces.
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It seems that China is sending troops to Mali now to help with the peace keeping forces.
That's what comes of linguistic confusion arising from poor pig latin.
Honey swore key Mali pence.
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Most of the Kickstarters I have seen seem to surge at the end so I would not despair yet.
The focus on the USMC for the stretch rewards seems perfectly logical as that is probably what most people will be after, the Chinese are just the OPFOR for many people.
I think I will have to up my pledge to get a better balance of forces but I expected to do that from the beginning.
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Just tossed in some more money. Want to get a few teams of the PLA SF and the PLA AT-element.
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I'm looking for a UK-based pledge buddy for the Empress kickstarter. I've pledged £15 for the 2x PLA units which is plenty for my purposes. However the £15 pledge level doesn't give me access to the stretch goals (that starts at £30), and I'd really like to get hold of the Chinese Special Forces pack. Would anyone care to pledge an extra £6 to get me a pack of Chinese special forces and I can PayPal you the extra when the KS finishes? Please PM me if you want to help me out.
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YES, reached 16K and got the Seals. Great. Agis, hat is your now idea for the next 11 Days???
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More real world action involving the PLA
http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2013/06/here-comes-stick-where-is-carrot.html
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Hi,
Well we are now in the last three days of the Kickstarter.
If you have no idea what I am talking about please pop by and have a look.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/535186969/empress-miniatures-devil-dogs-and-dragons-28mm-fig
We have just announced a special thank you deal for those who have supported Empress in this adventure which is a special 20% dicount on our moderns range of figures and vehicles for those who have pledged at the level to access the stretchgoals.
If you are tempted to pledge now is a good time to do it as we are very close to unlocking the MRAP.
Have a great day.
Paul
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Damn you Empress! I was happy with my little pledge. No you force me down paths I was never meant to take! :D
Very nice offer guys.
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ok, 20K reached!. Great.
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This is getting painfully expensive....ouch.
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OK, just updated my pledge. I'll be getting some British at 20% off after this! Way to part me from my money Empress! :D
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So i have pledge for the Aussies and the Frogmen. Will i get 20% off a future order as well?
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@ Flags of war. Yes u will
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@ Flags of war. Yes u will
Cheers. Ive never done a quick starter as none have given me enough interest to pledge but i couldn't say no to the Aussies.
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@Agis: You we're right. This Kickstarter got fast at the end. Did you start to work out your modern expansion for your rules?
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@Agis: You we're right. This Kickstarter got fast at the end. Did you start to work out your modern expansion for your rules?
Thanks, I am happy how the KS unfolds, I will get 2 Oshkoshs... 8)
Not yet, I am still laboring with Planetfall.
In addition I am a bit unsure how the unit organisation would be for USMC, PLA and Aussies...
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Thanks, I am happy how the KS unfolds, I will get 2 Oshkoshs... 8)
Not yet, I am still laboring with Planetfall.
In addition I am a bit unsure how the unit organisation would be for USMC, PLA and Aussies...
Easy solution: the kickstarter has a simple TOE made for you. ;)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/708/442/e560d529206b805d6b71bb7996f7fd42_large.jpg?1372488913)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/656/833/70553e3d07465a7862149f1538ad977a_large.jpg?1370701653)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/708/443/78c828e090cdc872c8bb5f438c30154f_large.jpg?1372488935)
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Those are pack contents and not a TO&E. To field paper TO&Es for both you are going to have to buy multiples of at least one pack and with the Chinese, multiples of all.
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Those are pack contents and not a TO&E. To field paper TO&Es for both you are going to have to buy multiples of at least one pack and with the Chinese, multiples of all.
You are right. Sorry, my fault. I think I should take a look in the TOE-GRoup at yahoo-Groups. And in Skirmish Sangin are TOE's for USMC.
And: WE REACHED 22.000!!!
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awesome thats my PLA anti tank :-)
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Woot! its a start :D :D
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Those are pack contents and not a TO&E. To field paper TO&Es for both you are going to have to buy multiples of at least one pack and with the Chinese, multiples of all.
You are so right... 8)
One option is however to scale the gamescope down to individual squads.
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I'll bet it really heats up towards the end! People will get in a frenzy for stretch goals!
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24.000 reached, great.
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Over 25,000 now and climbing.
If you want to pledge best hurry up as they are about to call last orders on the Kickstarter. ;)
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Well I will raise my pledge again tonight to get the PLA support!
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Only 4 hours left an over 800GBP to go. I don't think we get the 26.000 :'(
Update: 26.000 reached. and 59 Minutes left
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well that went pretty well, shame we didn't get the Aussie carl (30,000)
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Woot! I might just send them a few more dollars then. Need to round out my PLA in one go lol
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So, will we expect that this update KS will start tonight? ;D
Project Update #25: STORM CLOUDS GATHER.
Posted by Empress Miniatures
‘Devil Dogs and Dragons’ comes to an end but like all good Bond movies we felt that we should leave you all with the promise of more to come.
Empress productions will return with another extravaganza.
“Storm from the East”
Ultra modern Russian forces colliding with NATO. Stars will include the Russian hoards pitted against the German Bundeswehr and the forces of the west.
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really hope not, Im broke as now :(
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"Russian hoards" eh? Well I suspect the way wargamers create troves of unpainted lead, eventually they will be. What's the goal for this one, £100,000?
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"Russian hoards" eh? Well I suspect the way wargamers create troves of unpainted lead, eventually they will be. What's the goal for this one, £100,000?
I'd assume that it would be the same as for the just finish Kickstarter (which I assume you invested some dough into? Otherwise, drop me a pm and I'll sort you out :) ). So £7,500.
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Next KS in 2014, please. Need to raise some money for myself
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I am rather pleased we got as far as a USMC mortar, as support weapons are few and far between in the world of 28mm ultramodern.
I am very excited about the Russians, and I hope they are dressed for a temperate cliamate, not tropical, as I would like some for my Baltic campaign.
Well done on a very well managed KS.
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Yes, very well done on surpassing pretty much all expectations! :)
Project Update #25: STORM CLOUDS GATHER.
“Storm from the East”
Ultra modern Russian forces colliding with NATO. Stars will include the Russian hoards pitted against the German Bundeswehr and the forces of the west.
'The forces of the West', i.e. 'NATO' now includes Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Albania and the Czech Republic. The Ukraine and Georgia also seem set to become members in the near future too.
I have no problem with a potential near-future conflict between a rising China and its economic partners, and the US and friends in the Pacific, some friction is sure to develop at some point, but 'Russian Hordes' on the offensive in Europe?
The 1980s called, they want their 'what if' back. ::)
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I am rather pleased we got as far as a USMC mortar, as support weapons are few and far between in the world of 28mm ultramodern.
I am very excited about the Russians, and I hope they are dressed for a temperate cliamate, not tropical, as I would like some for my Baltic campaign.
Well done on a very well managed KS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the kickstarter get to unlocking the PLA Type 89 mortar (with the amount at 26,000 pounds to unlock) even though there is no indication to show by the team.
Cheers,
Helen
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Two questions...
1- I upped my pledge so I could pick up a few extra packs, how/when do I get to tell empress/KS what extras I want?
2- As I didn't know that the USMC Mortar stretch goal world be reached I haven't pledged enough to cover that too. Can I still get one win with my other stuff or is it too late? When I supported the Zombiecide KS I got a form emailed to me asking me what I wanted, and I was able to up my pledge at the end to cover the extra stretch goal, but it seems as though my money has been taken out.
Anyone know?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the kickstarter get to unlocking the PLA Type 89 mortar (with the amount at 26,000 pounds to unlock) even though there is no indication to show by the team.
Cheers,
Helen
True Helen - they are just very lazy adjusting the graphics!
;) ;)
IMO the KS could even raised more $$$ if Empress had put a more lively, day by day new pics, Greens etc strategy.
But reading the comments and annoucements I get the feel that they are happy as it worked for them.
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At Agis, i totally agree with u you. They could of done waay better if a lot more rewards were put up much earlier and greens were put up. I think the reason they said (about other companies copying them) was a bit of a cop out tbh.
they done very well dont get me wrong, but could of done SO much more. No doubt lessions learned in this one tho
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True Helen - they are just very lazy adjusting the graphics!
;) ;)
IMO the KS could even raised more $$$ if Empress had put a more lively, day by day new pics, Greens etc strategy.
But reading the comments and annoucements I get the feel that they are happy as it worked for them.
True!
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Yes, very well done on surpassing pretty much all expectations! :)
'The forces of the West', i.e. 'NATO' now includes Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Albania and the Czech Republic. The Ukraine and Georgia also seem set to become members in the near future too.
I have no problem with a potential near-future conflict between a rising China and its economic partners, and the US and friends in the Pacific, some friction is sure to develop at some point, but 'Russian Hordes' on the offensive in Europe?
The 1980s called, they want their 'what if' back. ::)
Look at the guy sitting in the Kreml... are you really really sure he will not do anything? Well, he as a pet tiger... To be quite honest with my experience of PLA and Russian Army officers (albeit limited) I found the PLA one nice the Russian ones scary. If one has to ask my semi-professional opinion I see more chance of us fighting alongside the PLA vs the Russians... anyway it looks nice.
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At Agis, i totally agree with u you. They could of done waay better if a lot more rewards were put up much earlier and greens were put up. I think the reason they said (about other companies copying them) was a bit of a cop out tbh.
they done very well dont get me wrong, but could of done SO much more. No doubt lessions learned in this one tho
It was their First KS. So, let us See, what they so next Time. I am satisfied with the result
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Look at the guy sitting in the Kreml... are you really really sure he will not do anything? Well, he as a pet tiger... To be quite honest with my experience of PLA and Russian Army officers (albeit limited) I found the PLA one nice the Russian ones scary. If one has to ask my semi-professional opinion I see more chance of us fighting alongside the PLA vs the Russians... anyway it looks nice.
Sure, I don't rule out Russia being involved in a war by any stretch of imagination. The point that I was trying to make was that there is no 'Russian Horde' or indeed Warpact allies to support them any more, no prospect of a reformed Eastern Bloc, nor is Germany likely to be the battleground.
If I was to suggest a most likely opponent for the Russians, it would once more be China... which is a bit 'Tom Clancy' of me to suggest that.
;)
It was their First KS. So, let us See, what they so next Time. I am satisfied with the result
Indeed, while it wasn't my cup of tea, I think they did really well... I'm sure they will learn from their mistakes, although from the response they got, it might be difficult to work out what they were.
:)
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Ends a week before my first paycheck...... bollocks. ;D
Oh well, there's always the next one.
(Please add Finns, please add Finns)
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Just another idea of were you can use your PLA
http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2013/07/photos-of-day-first-pla-combat-elements.html
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Just another idea of were you can use your PLA
http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2013/07/photos-of-day-first-pla-combat-elements.html
Now that is interesting and I already have a platoon's worth of PLA. Thanks for sharing Chris!
Judging by the photo either a GI or a pastry chef showed them how to bash their berets. lol
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Judging by the photo either a GI or a pastry chef showed them how to bash their berets. lol
My God I didn't notice that at first, F%&$ing Pogs! Shave those Berets, no pride in self or appearance. Would not fly in my old unit. :P
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More on this:
http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Backgrounder_China%20to%20Deply%20Security%20Force%20to%20UN%20Peacekeeping%20Operation%20in%20Mali_0.pdf
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Thanks for posting
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so when r Empress sending out the emails anyone know?? 1st KS for me so not sure of time frames for this stuff.
Cheers
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so when r Empress sending out the emails anyone know?? 1st KS for me so not sure of time frames for this stuff.
Cheers
Some day hopefully ;) It always takes a lot of time when there's option involved and such. Hopefully it will be before December when the minis are due to be sent...
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Some day hopefully ;) It always takes a lot of time when there's option involved and such. Hopefully it will be before December when the minis are due to be sent...
haha, crap i hope so... :D
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Some more informations would be nice.
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I just joined Lead Adventures but have been viewing for a while. Empress Figures are great and signed up for some miniatures under this Kickstarter and especially looking forward to getting the miniature of Willie Apiata given I am located in NZ. Hopefully some of his NZ SAS mates will follow. Great work.
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Hey Wargame43, welcome. Where in NZ are you, Im in CHCH
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Hi Slayer I am based in Windy and now shaky Wellington
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Sorry to revive an old thread, but was wondering if anyone has received anything from this yet? I'm awaiting my PLA with bated breath...
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Not yet
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I'm also very impatient. The stuff is nearly complete. See the comments in the kickstarter. Hope to get it soon.
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Nope still waiting and very excited... one thing we must all be very used to in this hobby is waiting lol
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I feel you, waiting for my PLA and an order of Freikorps Werdenfels. Damn postage! lol
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Just a quick post to say that my PLA arrived in this morning's post.
Only had a quick look but first impressions are good - clean castings with plenty of detail. Only surprise is that some are multipart (especially the support weapons pack)
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Great news! :D
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Yes - just got to decide what to do with them, they were a bit of an impulse buy!
I think they may become off world militia.
Their arrival was a bit of a surprise as I had not looked at the label on the package and thought they were the Ironclad Martians that I ordered recently
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Mine we're a bit of an impulse buy too. I was thinking of using them as PLA vs US special ops with my WIP Vietnam rules as a basis.
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my WIP Vietnam rules as a basis.
which rules???
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Sorry Dirk, my Work In Progress (WIP) Vietnam rules. One of the guys I game with (2 games in about 8 months is regular for me) reckoned that coming up with a decent Vietnam game wasn't possible as it was an inherently dull and repetitive genre. It's a period I've always fancied gaming so I have taken this as a challenge and have been working on rules since early last year. It's partly inspired by the card play in the boardgame 'Twilight Struggle' and allows the Communist player to utilise counters.
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From the photos, it would seem the PLA could pass for US troops. Are the Chinese visibly smaller than the US guys being Asians?
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Really like the images of there M-ATV's
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/494/792/c9b82f48b9c0eb3b7e7413193a015fcd_large.jpg?1388846619)
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From the photos, it would seem the PLA could pass for US troops. Are the Chinese visibly smaller than the US guys being Asians?
As all afro-americans are a head taller?
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What?????
Asians are generally smaller in stature than Westerners. I do believe that is pretty widely accepted.
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What?????
Asians are generally smaller in stature than Westerners. I do believe that is pretty widely accepted.
Perhaps SE raised on bare minimum food. China has a billion inhabitants, and I think that the average lenght is somewhere around 171 cm, and western standards 175 or so IIRC. That is not a significant difference at all.
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So the answer to my original question, is yes, the PLA figures could be used as additional US troops. Although upon closer inspection, there are a number of differences in equipment.
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not really, wrong kit and stuff,could possiblu ise the heads for some chinese-'mercans
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Sorry Dirk, my Work In Progress (WIP) Vietnam rules. One of the guys I game with (2 games in about 8 months is regular for me) reckoned that coming up with a decent Vietnam game wasn't possible as it was an inherently dull and repetitive genre. It's a period I've always fancied gaming so I have taken this as a challenge and have been working on rules since early last year. It's partly inspired by the card play in the boardgame 'Twilight Struggle' and allows the Communist player to utilise counters.
I don't know the boardgame "TS". I think I will try Victory Decision SciFi (Low Tech) for Modern Stuff (even Vietnam). Maybe I also love the Vietnam stuff because I grew up with Platoon, Rambo and Full Metal Jacket. But over here it isn't easy to find players for modern stuff
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I don't know the boardgame "TS". I think I will try Victory Decision SciFi (Low Tech) for Modern Stuff (even Vietnam). Maybe I also love the Vietnam stuff because I grew up with Platoon, Rambo and Full Metal Jacket. But over here it isn't easy to find players for modern stuff
Twilight Struggle is a rather good game based on the Cold War. I'd definitely recommend it.
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Judging by the photos of the M-ATVs Bob Winward is producing new models for Empress. That is good news.
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I received my PLA yesterday. They look pretty good to me. Have to clean them up soon or they will join the island of forgotten lead. (That island seems to be growing a lot lately.)
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Still waiting. It would be nice to have updates.....
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i think they've been very good on the kickstarter site with updates imo
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Still waiting. It would be nice to have updates.....
Look at the kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/535186969/empress-miniatures-devil-dogs-and-dragons-28mm-fig/comments
Maybe this will help you...
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Thanks for that Nurgle.....hadn't seen those comments for some reason. Had faith in getting the product just wasn't sure when!!
Dave
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Waiting for my PLA with baited breath. :D
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Collected mine at York yesterday, the quality really is great!
Have to work out what to do with 5 frogmen now too :)
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So... now people are getting these, does anyone have advice on paint colours to use for PLA camo?
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So... now people are getting these, does anyone have advice on paint colours to use for PLA camo?
I am planning to go for something like this:
(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss355/elysium64/Lt_jg_Jeffrey_Fasoli_gunnery_officer_aboard_the_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Mason_DDG_87_discusses_techniques_with_Chinese__zps3ded6a63.jpg) (http://s591.photobucket.com/user/elysium64/media/Lt_jg_Jeffrey_Fasoli_gunnery_officer_aboard_the_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Mason_DDG_87_discusses_techniques_with_Chinese__zps3ded6a63.jpg.html)
Base colour: Foundry Vivid Blue, light, with a dash of Foundry Rawhide, Light
Blue: Foundry Tomb Blue, Shade
Green: Foundry Storm Green, mid-tone
Sand: Foundry Base Sand, mid-tone
Followed by a wash of GW Agrax Earthshade to add shadow.
May not be strictly accurate but I have seen many variations of this scheme, and I am basing my project on a future conflict so I canbe a bit more imaginative, and most Important it will make the two sides more recognisable on the battlefield.
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Here are some more colour variants
From Airsoft Canada
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=133939&page=2
(http://www.nationspresse.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/800px-pla_type_07_urban__desert_camouflage_uniforms.jpg)
left to right: urban digital, used by all four forces; tibetan camo, used by army(tibetan region) and air force(paratroopers)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8421/platype07.jpg)
left to right: for 2nd artillery force (nuclear missile troops); for army and air force; prototype, 3rd camp didn't issue to any of the forces; for navy and marines
I plan to use the Urban Digital scheme. The light grey base is distinctive.
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Thanks elysium64 and Mick_in_Switzerland.
My research has turned up similar photos - I'm going to go for the type 07 "general" camo pattern I think (the version to the left in Mick's first picture).
I did a bit of experimentation with paints last night, and I think I want either Pale Blue or Pale Greyblue from Vallejo for the base. Unfortunately, I don't have either, so there'll be a trip to my FLGS at lunchtime I think!
I'm thinking maybe German Fieldgrey and Reflective Green for the other colours in the pattern, maybe with dabs of German Grey (although I might miss that off because there doesn't seem to be much black in it, and at 28mm scale it might need to disappear altogether).
Figuring out how to actually paint pixellated patterns will be next, I suspect it really just needs to be fairly square blobs.
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My gran had a settee with those pattern on in the 1970s....sheesh ;)
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USMC corp. have finally landed- and they look awesome!
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Marines have landed....wow. Well worth the wait and apologies for any impatience :)
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Still waiting, but the end is near, i hope.
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Still waiting, but the end is near, i hope.
Same for me, I pledged for the Oshkosh MRAP and that might be the delaying factor...
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The vast majority of the orders, 2/3rds, are now posted with the balance of orders now packed and ready for posting over the next couple of days.
Details of this is regularly stated in the comments section of the Kickstarter.
Luv & Cuddles,
Paul
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We get punished for pledging for the MRAP and every. single. other. goodie in the kickstarter :)
Can't wait for mine to turn up!! Thanks for all the hard work Empress!
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Got mine today and they are simply stunning. Now to paint all these Diggers :)
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So... now people are getting these, does anyone have advice on paint colours to use for PLA camo?
Is 500 pages enough for ya? (start backwards, as the earliest pages are too old - links are dead etc.)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?152513-Chinese-Military-Photos%EF%BC%88new-thread%EF%BC%89
You'll realize pretty quickly that they use so many ridiculous camo patterns almost anything you make up would be feasible (yes even bright orange etc.) lol
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Received my minis yesterday. As good as expected from the leading Modern Mini Company!
8)
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Got mine yesterday :)
Is it just me, or are the Divers a bit on the large side?
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My gran had a settee with those pattern on in the 1970s....sheesh ;)
I bet that settee was very hard to to find in a Tibetan environment.
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I got my Aussies the other week and they are superb, just need to paint them now
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Is 500 pages enough for ya? (start backwards, as the earliest pages are too old - links are dead etc.)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?152513-Chinese-Military-Photos%EF%BC%88new-thread%EF%BC%89
You'll realize pretty quickly that they use so many ridiculous camo patterns almost anything you make up would be feasible (yes even bright orange etc.) lol
Excellent! Thanks very much!
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Here are some more colour variants
From Airsoft Canada
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=133939&page=2
(http://www.nationspresse.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/800px-pla_type_07_urban__desert_camouflage_uniforms.jpg)
left to right: urban digital, used by all four forces; tibetan camo, used by army(tibetan region) and air force(paratroopers)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8421/platype07.jpg)
left to right: for 2nd artillery force (nuclear missile troops); for army and air force; prototype, 3rd camp didn't issue to any of the forces; for navy and marines
I plan to use the Urban Digital scheme. The light grey base is distinctive.
I picked my PLA up yesterday and very nice they are too. A quick question (possibly slightly hypothetical); I want to use my PLA in a jungle setting for a fictitious near future setting (sort of Operation Flashpoint, though I've never actually played that). What camo pattern would regular ground troops likely wear? Digital 07 Woodland seems like the obvious pattern but is it only for Second Artillery use? No idea! Any thoughts? Thanks.
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Sounds like currently the 07 Universal Camouflage is pretty standardized. You'd be looking at basic infantry forces wearing the third one in the image you posted (I think).
That being said...you can roll with whatever, I doubt people will be picky. I also don't doubt that we'll see many more variations on the pattern.
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Sounds like currently the 07 Universal Camouflage is pretty standardized. You'd be looking at basic infantry forces wearing the third one in the image you posted (I think).
That being said...you can roll with whatever, I doubt people will be picky. I also don't doubt that we'll see many more variations on the pattern.
I may well go with that then. I only picked up a couple if squads and some DEVGRU so there's not a massive amount to paint (thankfully!).
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here a link to a guy (Paul) who posted this on the kickstarter page, it how im gonna paint my up (well try anyway)
http://s1330.photobucket.com/user/thecellblockbmx/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02/B8001FD3-AE26-4B4E-8AAE-FB6B453618BD_zpsjceqxndt.jpg.html
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Awesome, is that the Chinese sniper-grenade rifle/launcher? (yes...that's a real thing!)
PS: The Marine in that picture looks a little dark, think he went a bit heavy on the MARPAT's black bits.
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My 67 figures arrived yesterday. I am very pleased with them.
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Mine arrived friday, so very great. Today I started the seals. Wow, So brilliant.
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Does anybody have pictures of the Chinese missile launchers (either the Empress models or real) so that I can work out how to assemble them correctly?
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Just hoping my box arrives soon. :'(
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Does anybody have pictures of the Chinese missile launchers (either the Empress models or real) so that I can work out how to assemble them correctly?
You mean this - or in some other way?
http://www.empressminiatures.com/userimages/procart93.htm
Google "Chinese PF-98" if you need more ideas.
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Dear Elbows,
I have studied those pictures and I am still confused.
The Empress missile launchers have several small parts including sights, control boxes etc.
The pictures do not make it clear what goes where.
Mick
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Some very quick pictures. I just took this out of the bag and it is not glued so ignore the droop. If you look at the underneath of the barrel there is a metal pip. This fits in the hole.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/IMG_0129_zpsdb92b8e5.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/IMG_0129_zpsdb92b8e5.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/IMG_0128_zps11ad58f6.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/IMG_0128_zps11ad58f6.jpg.html)
The other one is like this.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/IMG_0127_zpsf8f73fe9.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/IMG_0127_zpsf8f73fe9.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/IMG_0126_zpsd9cdb8ee.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/IMG_0126_zpsd9cdb8ee.jpg.html)
Hope thats clear.
Regards,
Paul
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Dear Paul,
Thank-you - that is perfect
Regards
Mick
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Paul. I have to admit to finding this whole Empress moderns thing quite frustrating. At first I thought "I like the idea of some PLA, I can use them with the Vietnam terrain I'm making". Then I thought "I have to get some opposition" so I picked up some DEVGRU. Then I got the figures and thought "these are bloody lovely" and now I want more and modern VPA opponents. I didn't even intend to start a new period, just dabble! You and your high quality miniature ranges! :D
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Paul. I have to admit to finding this whole Empress moderns thing quite frustrating. At first I thought "I like the idea of some PLA, I can use them with the Vietnam terrain I'm making". Then I thought "I have to get some opposition" so I picked up some DEVGRU. Then I got the figures and thought "these are bloody lovely" and now I want more and modern VPA opponents. I didn't even intend to start a new period, just dabble! You and your high quality miniature ranges! :D
Think of us as your lead drug pusher lol
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You're not joking? Have you seen my lead mountain? Thanks Empress!! :)
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Think of us as your lead drug pusher lol
Or maybe our tin-pimps???? ;)
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Think of us as your lead drug pusher lol
Pssssst, pssst. Got any modern Vietnamese or Japanese planned?
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Empress gots what you want! They got what you need. ;)
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Empress gots what you want! They got what you need. ;)
But you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need!
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But you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need!
In this moment I put my Depeche mode CD into the player and listen to "I just can't get enoughT"...
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And then, approximately five seconds into the first track, you remember it's Depeche Mode and apparently you can get enough, in fact more than enough. Only superhuman levels of self control prevent you from putting an axe through your speakers as you race to switch it off again.
:D
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And then, approximately five seconds into the first track, you remember it's Depeche Mode and apparently you can get enough, in fact more than enough. Only superhuman levels of self control prevent you from putting an axe through your speakers as you race to switch it off again.
:D
Not really. The guys are good boys, had a lot of fun over the years... ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu4JbvTCfvE
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I received my Empress Kickstarter a few days ago.
Here is a WIP shot of one squad of Empress DEVGRU
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2849/12753288873_52e4b28bec_o.jpg)
And here is a Seal and NZ SAS soldier Willie Apiata. (White drybrushing on the hair will get corrected).
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3752/12753594314_2690a6cc42_o.jpg)
There wil now be a two week pause as I have a business trip.
Mick
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Very nice painting. BTW that's a very large Willie you have there.
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May want to do some ultra modern Russians and West Ukrainian guerillas while you're at it and stay one jump ahead of the game.
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While I can see that the post was intended as I joke- and I have to admit I did chuckle- I am not sure it is in the none-political Lead Adventure Forum tone.
Remember that some of our readers are from Russia and Ukraine, and that this sh~t is serious- Empress games have made a range of models for a fictitious Pacific Theatre war- and not a real (or very nearly real) armed conflict.
Sorry to get all preachy...
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No problem Rob, its one of the hazards of the hobby. Real life some times mirrors are fictions a little to closely some times.
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I have just finished assembling and basing the PLA.
I have three PLA heavy weapons crew without rifles which I have based individually (for easier casualty removal in FoF).
@Empress - Is there any chance of a PLA weapons pack so that I can arm them?
Also, are there any pictures of painted Empress PLA, Seals and USMC out there yet?
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You know, I would be interested in seeing some OPS-CORE FAST helmets as a separate head option.
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Or make some Rangers :D
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A small batch of modern Finns would be most lovely and show some SISU :D
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A small batch of modern Finns would be most lovely and show some SISU :D
I second that... I would buy some
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And here is another thing you can use your New Modern PLA for.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/24/sudanese-future-soldier-system/
Apparently Sudan is kiting out there troops in the latest in Chines Liberation army kit.
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Now that is interesting.
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I think so, Its a good excuse to have some nicely decked out Sudanese government troops fighting in the Congo, Somalia, or as blue helmets some where else.
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Yes they are getting the most modern Chinese equipment in exchange for being the middleman for Chinese weapons to Syria .
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These guys look very smart, but how many 'future soldiers' are the Sudanese really going to be able to afford?
I recon three or four packs from Empress an I should be able to field a Sudanese army on a 1:1 scale.
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Oh I see some of their better more reliable units getting kited out like this. Along with any foreigner mission or UN operation. Of course the majority of there stuff will still be almost tribal/gang war style kit that is so common to the region.
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A small batch of modern Finns would be most lovely and show some SISU :D
I got to beat this drum again, sorry folks, but now the Finns would be even more appropriate as Empress has released the new Leopard. I would _love_ to have some Finnish with that at some point :)
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For pocoloco,how about a finnish gun truck?
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Would need first some Finnish infantry :)
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Is that sign in the window for the parking inspectors, telling them the truck is broken down and no to issue a fine?
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This is what I meant by adding some 75 Rangers to the....Range. ::)
And I know There is the Delta Team. I would like to see them expanded to included some M240L, MK 46, KK 48, M3 MAAWS Carl Gustav and Marksmen.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-75th-Ranger-Regiment/190158030999896?fref=ts
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/commissarmoody/Ranger10.png) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/commissarmoody/media/Ranger10.png.html)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/commissarmoody/rangers11.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/commissarmoody/media/rangers11.jpg.html)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/commissarmoody/rangers5.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/commissarmoody/media/rangers5.jpg.html)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/commissarmoody/Rangers4.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/commissarmoody/media/Rangers4.jpg.html)
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Funny enough Rangers have been on our list for some time. Near the top now but not quite there.
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Funny enough Rangers have been on our list for some time. Near the top now but not quite there.
What is top? :D
I'd guess modern Russians given the reference at the end of the Devil Dogs & Dragons kickstarter.
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I got to beat this drum again, sorry folks, but now the Finns would be even more appropriate as Empress has released the new Leopard. I would _love_ to have some Finnish with that at some point :)
I second that :)
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I am a fane of seeing some Russians in the Near future. I mean I guess I can wait a little bit longer for my Rangers. ;)
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Good boy ;)
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Is there a British 60mm motor and heavy weapons in that list as well?
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I'm not at all worried about whatever the new arrivals might be. I'm still so darned happy with the initial Kickstart. Whatever shows up, I will jump on. Gentlemen, thanks ever so much for all your efforts to date.
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Question, will we be seeing the PLA assault flame thrower team any time soon?
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I wanted to use Empress British and SAS for a modernised refight of 1972 battle of Mirbat using the Force on Force scenario in Classified.
Unfortunately, I need an 81mm mortar and a .50 Browning and two GPMGs. None of these are available in the current Empress collection.
I also realised that the new Empress PLA do not have any kind of bipod LMG or tripod HMG.
The only SAW is a light assault rifle with a round magazine.
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Imprint did an excellent .50 cal in their range. Empress now own the Imprint line so maybe they will get around.
In the meantime Gripping Beast do a .50 cal with Argentine crew. Eureka have a sublime one (minus tripod) in their FAV crew set. Actually there are more .50 cals out there than you can shake a fist at, Company B do another and that's without looking at all the 1/48 models.
Mongrel did an 81mm mortar if you can obtain one though Newline Designs, as do Commando miniatures. S&Sdo some artillery crew that you might be able to use.
Hopefully that helps.
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Empress are going to be re-releasing the mounted weapons, but with an all new and updated .50 (it was remastered for the M-ATV).
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Keith will that include, the TOW and the tripos mounted .50? Those are excellent models.
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Yep - all of those, but with the much improved .50.
Probably not unreasonable to expect crewed versions for various armies too.
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Cheers, that's great news.