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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Dr Mathias on 29 April 2013, 05:49:07 PM
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Hello,
I'm trying to decide on a suitable gun for the Hinterland alt-WWI gun crew. Although I have mechanized elements to my force, I feel like it needs to be something that is horse drawn or packed. I'm wondering if anyone makes a 28mm version of this gun:
http://s400910952.websitehome.co.uk/germancolonialuniforms/militaria/mountaingun.htm
I just received two of these pack train sets, but I'm not sure I want to use a British gun for my Prussian ladies :)
http://www.tin-soldier.com/mtgun.html
I also have this howitzer:
http://www.tin-soldier.com/krupp.html
I'd be happy to hear other suggestions!
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Maybe some of these:
http://www.askari-minis.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=90&zenid=pql9evopaet0dsjrd7ppf9jt13
http://www.tigerminiatures.co.uk/page12.htm
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http://www.tin-soldier.com/krupp.html
That last one is more or less what I had in mind when I had the crew designed.
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Aww man traveller, I wish I'd seen some of those earlier. Thanks for the suggestions.
Great minds think alike Mancha :)
The Reviresco stuff is kind of fiddly, and the horses are nowhere near as good as the Hinterland ones, but I think they'll match well. I just need to decide if I should paint the gun blue-grey. Ultimately, no one will care but me anyway ;)
Thank you gents :)
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Hello, I ended up getting a few of those Askari artillery limbers, horses, and the Krupp mountain gun.
Now- I'm very ignorant about how these types of guns were crewed and fired. The Hinterland crew pack has a woman with a pull cord, which I presume was used to fire the weapon. Was this common on muzzle loaders and breech loaders? There's also a woman with a 'swab' or ramrod (please forgive my ignorance, I'm trying to learn :) ) Was this type of implement used on WWI era guns, or is she included for people who want to use the crew for muzzle loaders?
Thanks!
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maybe You want to try a french one?
(http://www.brigadegames.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/brigadegames/bg-wiwf32_1_sm_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0)
to answer Your question
even modern breach loaders have to be cleaned or de-oiled from time to time ;) with something that resembles a swab..
of course it is anachronistic to include it in a loading crew, but I understand they are meant to be generic ;)
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The Battle Honors Mountain Howitzer pack has a similarly baffling figure armed with a sponge. I don't know much about artillery but I'm not sure what use that would be in the heat of battle when you are serving a breech-loader. The gun in question was used from 1917 until about 1960, and there was never a muzzle-loading variant.
Maybe it's just that sculptors know even less about artillery than I do.
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On a related note, has anybody manufactured a BL 10 pounder mountain gun for 28mm yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_10_pounder_Mountain_Gun
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The Battle Honors Mountain Howitzer pack has a similarly baffling figure armed with a sponge. I don't know much about artillery but I'm not sure what use that would be in the heat of battle when you are serving a breech-loader. The gun in question was used from 1917 until about 1960, and there was never a muzzle-loading variant.
Maybe it's just that sculptors know even less about artillery than I do.
It's pretty safe to say just about everyone knows more about artillery than I :)
The Hinterland pack I can see having both breechloader and muzzle loader crew, since it's not made for a specific gun- but your Battle Honors example is baffling.
The Krupp howitzer and mountain gun will be horse packed for transport. I also bought a couple Old Glory 77mm field guns which will be towed by the Askari German limbers. The Mountain guns don't look right with the limber, naturally. I'll probably build some horse packed machine gun teams as well.
Thanks for the suggestions and thoughts!
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The Mountain guns don't look right with the limber, naturally.
The Brits in Africa, due to near impossibility of keeping pack animals alive in some parts of the continent, often relied on human power to transport their mountain artillery. Not sure about the Germans, but it's worth bearing in mind as an option (though I have no idea where your game is set)...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/back%20to%20africa/GunCarrier_zpsa47df16a.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Plynkes/media/back%20to%20africa/GunCarrier_zpsa47df16a.jpg.html)
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I simply can't fathom the life those porters led. Heavy, awkward loads, uneven terrain, hostile environment, Stanley pointing guns at you all the time... I'd be lucky to carry that wheel twenty yards up a hill.
Thanks for the suggestion, I considered human packed as well. I plan an African spin off for the Hinterland women too, so it will happen :)
You come up with great pictures Plynkes, thanks.
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just a quick reminder:
before the railroad was built in German east Africa, whole ships dismantled in 30 kg load packs were carried by porter to the large lakes
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I would admit that being a porter was not an easy job, however they were not slaves or forced laborerers - it was a well established job that was a good source of income, all along well established routes of trade and transport, long before european colonialism had the slightest impact - at least that is what the archaeological evidence suggests
this is at least ongoing research I know about, don't know if it is published yet
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During the Great War portering was often forced labour, due to the huge increase in demand for porters, what with all those columns tramping around all over the place. In British East a Compulsory Service Act was enacted for both Europeans and natives, and many, many natives were conscripted into the Carrier Corps. There were huge numbers of them, and the poor sods died in their thousands, not from enemy action, but just the attrition of the harsh bush life.
"We are the porters who carry the food, to feed the porters who carry the food..."
African Porters' song from the Great War.
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I plan an African spin off for the Hinterland women too, so it will happen :)
You're going to be so happy with eventual releases. ;)
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You're going to be so happy with eventual releases. ;)
Knowing about some of your plans already (but knowing nothing about that) makes me wonder how many things you have in the pipeline!
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Almost nothing, actually. I have some minor releases planned for the very near future, and Paul has been commissioned to do some stuff. However, I don't think he's even gotten started on those greens. I usually have stuff going on at several different levels, from an active sculpting commission on Paul's end, to greens at the caster's, to production castings all sorted out and just waiting to be added to the website. Not sure why I've dropped the ball lately. :( However, I'll pick it up again, as I next intend to have Paul finish up the Trench Raiders with a few packs. Then I think I will finally contemplate a foe for my Germans.
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By the way, I intend to complete the Trench Raiders because I SO want to see Hinterland miniatures in an otherwise normal WWI battle. :D
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interestingly enough, WWI does not appear in the archaeological evidence, which is indeed intrigueing
Anyway, it was Tanganyka I know about