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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: sukhe_bator on May 22, 2013, 09:31:08 AM
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Inspired by the excellent conversion work of Perry WOTR plastics by Captain Blood and others on the Medieval Adventures forum, and my own success converting the same for my Westeros project, I embarked on another conversion challenge.
I'm a lifelong fan of Nick Lund's Orcs, and have been collecting them since my early teens back in the day when he launched Chronicle Miniatures, and later moved onto Citadel and then Grenadier. I have amassed a respectable horde of his metal minis over the years.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/urukinfantry1.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/Uruks/urukinfantry1.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/wargriders3.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/Uruks/wargriders3.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Salute%202010%20AoA%20game/IMG_1341.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/Salute%202010%20AoA%20game/IMG_1341.jpg.html)
My collection of orcs has been outnumbered and outgunned by my Haradrim army in recent years which is completely unacceptable. I wanted to boost numbers beyond what was financially acceptable collecting more metals. Then I became aware of the Fantasy Warriors plastics sold by em4 Miniatures.
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Copy_of_Fantasy.html
For a modest £30 I now have 150 figures in 3 poses, archer, swordsman and spearman, plus 100 shields, postage included. That's half the price for a similar number of Perry plastics with imho just as much conversion potential. This pic is after I've hived off 20 odd to work on.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1066_zps1a210572.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1066_zps1a210572.jpg.html)
Inspired by articles which hint at their potential with even the most straightforward of conversions I have decided to have a go. My challenge is to create 147 variants - including leaders, champions, standard bearers and musicians compatable with my metal collection and will pretty much clean out my bits box!
http://www.combatzonechronicles.net/em4/orcsy.htm
20 odd conversions in I am pleasantly surprised at how relatively easy they are to rework and can recommend them to other Nick Lund fans out there. They are well worth the effort - W.I.P pics to follow
Nick, if you are out there, thanks... 'Gothmog the Terrible' will rise again! :D :D ;)
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Interesting are they really hard plastic or the softer variant such as reaper bones and heroclix material? Looking forward in seeing the conversion.
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I'll be interested in seeing how this turns out. I've often looked at the plastic orcs they have. So cheap
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Great project. I've got some of the Chronicle Hobgoblin Wolfriders (had then since about 1985) but have never seriously tried to incorporate them into my Goblin army. I think I'm now seeing more potential to add a lot of Lund-y goodness to my force!
Are you blogging this, or are you planning on using the LAF thread as the blog?
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Belgian,
although the articles say to use superglue rather than a plastic cement, the plastic seems to behave broadly similar to the Perry miniatures figures and quite easy to carve with a craft knife, drill etc.
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Red orc,
I'm not a blogger - so plan to simply post w.i.p. on the LAF from time to time
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Looking for to this, SB!
I love those old Lund orcs.
These and the Asgard uglies are my earliest memories of fantasy orcs, so will always have a place for me.
8)
I am going down the old-skool-orc route myself very soon, as I have plans for a LotR SAGA project, and will be utilising Asgard orcs for the Mordor board.
I can see an Isengard force based on the Lund creations, though.
Love those Wolf Riders.
:-*
Looking forward to seeing the conversion potential so that I can shamelessly steal your ideas!
:D
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I'll watch with interest. £30 for a whole army is good going!
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The plastic is more or less identical to the plastic GW use(d?) in the 90s for the mono-pose regiment boxes of skaven, dwarves, chaos warriors etc.
I have a handfull of these that I got for free from cheetor (not forgotten, mate!) and I've been toying with the idea of creating a single unit with the three sculpts and use them as hobgoblins.
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Oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh LUND ORCS! :D What a fantastic challenge for yourself. I have no frame of reference myself, so I'm very interested to hear the nitty-grittty details of how they carve, set up, etc. We've (husband Teshub and self) always worked with metals, having recently infused our own Lund orc horde with the metal minis from mirliton. Our kids now want to play Fantasy Warriors as well since they've seen the tabletop and rules books, perhaps these plastics you've drawn my attention to is the way to go for their forces.
That is a mighty great Lund army you've got there! :o
Jevenkah
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Hmmm i think i might try this out with there Dwarfs, I'll watch these space thougha nd learn from any mistakes you make ;)
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Jevenkah,
I have been admiring your Lund orc horde as well.
I am trying to sculpt if not in Nick Lund's inimitable style then at least in a sympathetic way, using examples from my metals as reference. Once I have sculpted to my satisfaction I will be separating some from their original bases in order to reposition them and in some cases altering foot poses as well for added variation.
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20 odd conversions in I am pleasantly surprised at how relatively easy they are to rework and can recommend them to other Nick Lund fans out there. They are well worth the effort - W.I.P pics to follow
Tease! :D
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Great challenging project!
:)
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I too love the old Chronicle orcs and am looking forward to seeing this project develop. Now hurry up and post some WIP pics :D
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Sorry guys, I don't mean to be a tease, I have just been doing some experimenting with the different permutations I can recreate. I should hopefully have sufficient variants for some line up w.i.p. shots over the weekend. :)
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But... But... But that's a few days away, we want to see now :'(
It'll be top notch I'm sure. Looking forward to it.
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I know, I know, and to make matters worse I routinely take my sculpting to tinker with at lunchtimes at work. Guess who in the rush this morning packed tools and materials but forgot to pack sculpts to work on! :-[ :'(. I'm itching to crack on but now have to sit there and twiddle my thumbs. I could kick myself...AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
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I know, I know, and to make matters worse I routinely take my sculpting to tinker with at lunchtimes at work. Guess who in the rush this morning packed tools and materials but forgot to pack sculpts to work on! :-[ :'(. I'm itching to crack on but now have to sit there and twiddle my thumbs. I could kick myself...AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
I do that all the time, mate.
Bloody frustrating, aint it?
>:(
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You are telling me Mason!
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Even more than when you DO remember to take everything that you need and then cant be bothered to do anything as your mojo has upped and left.
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I am so looking forward to seeing this converted army coming together. I absolutely love those old school Lund models.
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As promised the first installment of some wip pics of the converted Nick Lund orcs...
First one of the simplest - the swordsman model, pose untouched but with added variation to headgear in green stuff. From L to R
; original, w mail hood, w leather hood, w fur cap
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1067_zps8f201916.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1067_zps8f201916.jpg.html)
Next, by cutting and reposing the R hand and substituting various weapons...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1071_zpse338cf5d.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1071_zpse338cf5d.jpg.html)
Next by swapping the R hand with a spearman's R hand, plus a trial head swap with the archer figure (3rd and 4th fig). N.B the Uruk-hai weapon on the extreme L is made from scrap plastic basing material.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1073_zpsb710e657.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1073_zpsb710e657.jpg.html)
Next by carefully cutting out the entire R arm and belt pouch and substituting a GW lizardman drummer's arm. The junction at the shoulders is masked by additional leather wings in green stuff ( I will be adding studding detail and filling in any gaps etc.). I will also be adding a green stuff gauntlet to the R hand to mask the lack of an extra digit. The original swordsman back right of photo for ref.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1075_zps8a9c32b6.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1075_zps8a9c32b6.jpg.html)
A trumpeter made from a swordsman with a substitute GW Beastman trumpeter's R arm
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The same idea but with a spearman torso and hood in green stuff. I've also cut the head and drilled and pinned it into a different position, masking the join with a hood added in green stuff
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1077_zps0468697a.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1077_zps0468697a.jpg.html)
A small group of spearman with arms repositioned and substitute weapons and shields from the shield pack
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1078_zps56a5a3de.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1078_zps56a5a3de.jpg.html)
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Looking good do far, looking forward to seeing some head swaps in the future though.
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Oh, yes!
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That works!
Looking forward to more, of course, as I am a greedy git.
:D
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These are great!
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Excellent stuff. very exciting.
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Very nice! Like others, I look forward to seeing more.
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Nice work!
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You have way have more patience then I do.
I am looking forward to seeing this project progress.
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Your Green Stuff work & weapon swaps are SPLENDID....they really transform the minis, raising them to a higher level. It's rather a shame the poses are unalterable. That aside, GREAT WORK!
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Excellent conversions :D :D
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Awesome! The head gear mods are right on with Lund's style. The trumpeters are fantastic!
I'm enjoying seeing these come together.
Jevenkah
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I plan to crop the thick moulded plastic bases and glue them in different positions on card bases to give them a more random look, which should help the limited leg positions. The majority of figures will also have shields glued on in a variety of positions which will effectively add to the randomness.
I've also been experimenting with head swaps and am currently working on some archers. The archer's L foot is also in a more frontal facing position than I'd like, so I am considering cutting it below the knee and repositioning it to give a more sideways stance. I agree with others who've attempted converting these figures. The spearman and swordsmen have by far the greatest conversion potential, but anyone considering doing this should also buy some archers for variety and be prepared to sacrifice a few bows in order to provide extra parts...
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I just found this topic ( I'm wayyyy behind on my LAF reading) and am finding it most interesting. However (and I'm not intending to rain on anyone's parade here) I have to tell you, these were not sculpted by Nick. When we at Grenadier UK were planning the contents of the FW boxed set, the inclusion of plastic miniatures was a priority. We decided on orcs and dwarves. Nick was the master of both races. However, he was fully involved in writing the game and, furthermore, had no experience in sculpting for plastic. So we got one of our other sculptors to make them in the style of Nick. I guess it worked pretty well.
Doug
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Doug,
Thanks for joining in - ah well :'( :( but they do indeed have lots of Lundesque character and I hope I'm also doing his style justice with my adaptations... :D
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My New Year's resolution was to pick this project up again...
Looks like I will have 2 units of 24 archers, the same of hand weapons and shield, a unit of spear and shield and a unit of two-handed weapons. All units will have at least one standard bearer, leader and 2 or more musicians.
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Good-oh!
This project was (more than a little) one of the sources of inspiration for an orc army-building challenge I set myself over summer, so it's good to know that you're picking it up again.
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Missed this thread first time round. Great stuff. If the sculptor wasn't Nick then who was it?
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Just found this thread and I also am a long time Nick fan and even if he did not sculpt the plastics they were in his style and so are good. ;) I painted my sets up without any modifications so seeing what you are doing is inspirational. Keep showing us your work
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Nice....they seem the old Heroquest orc miniatures....especially the bases...and they're so little prices
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Must not spend!
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keep up the work- we are all keen to see what you have done.
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Nice....they seem the old Heroquest orc miniatures....especially the bases...and they're so little prices
Similar to the Heroquest orcs but not the same. You have given me an idea though - I have some of these and some Heroquest orcs, I'm going to see how well they work together.
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I thought the Heroquest minis were made of a harder, shinier plastic? I think they may be too brittle to work- The Em4 orcs by comparison are a little tougher than GW plastics but still relatively easy to carve. I use a scalpel to pare away flash etc, and a slightly larger craft knife to do 'decapitations' and 'amputations'. They can be readily carved and drilled. I've cropped the bases using a pair of heavy duty cutters / wire snips. They take better to superglue rather than polysterene cement, but with the amount of drilling and pinning I've done that's fine by me.
I'm down to the last dozen or so conversions out of my original 150 minis. Now I've rebased them they are looking quite a horde and I haven't even got many shields on yet, or standards. Once I've undercoated them I'll post some pics.
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The Heroquest minis are a bastard to remove from the bases and convert (I've done 38 of the Fimir's), the problem is the plastic is so varied. Sometimes its brittle others it's rock hard, and everywhere in between
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I didn't mean the plastic, more the style. Yes, the plastic on the HQ minis is pretty horrendous. Having done a few goblin conversions, it's not great to work with in my opinion. But the styles might work together (I've not been up in the loft yet to get the relevant boxes down).
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Yep - I reckon you're onto something there - a compatible mash up of the different ranges would look pretty good I reckon.
I've also used accessories from the Zvezda Ring of Rule Orc set with some success....
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I've never been able to find a seller of the ring of rule stuff.
Also you know you are going to spend more on paint and greenstuff than on the actual minis lol
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Wonderful collection and a great project.
I really like these figures as well (orcs more than the dwarves, actually).
I painted about 50 of them last year to clear some of my backlog but I didn't venture into conversions. I have previously used regular plastic glue on them but it is true that it has a hard time with this material so I switched to superglue.
(http://www.swob.kvy.fi/photo-archive/20131210/thumb/20131210-009.jpg)
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Glad to see you pick up this project again! It was an email from this thread that started me catching up on my LAFfing this week. It's been too long!
Can't wait to see some pictures. I love me some Lund/Lund-look-alike orcs!
Jevenkah
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Maxxon - I'm liking your paintjob on those swordsmen! I really need to make a start on painting some of my horde up. I know they will be a breeze to paint. I'm now down to the last dozen or so conversions, but I'm finding scooping out the backs of the separate shields to take the hands a real chore. I've taken to using a large diameter drill to start them off, then finishing up with a scalpel.
Also something to beware of if you opt for conversions is when you separate the L arm from the spearman figure you always lose some detail around the knuckles of the L hand. That makes a kinda awkward shape to glue to so needs some extra trimming. Most of this will be hidden behind the shield in the finished mini so won't show.
Jevenkah - I promise to post some pics soon. I'm having to do that kinda thing at home since the work pc doesn't like photobucket. The problem then is prising my wife off the laptop long enough to download some pics!
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Thanks.
It's actually a pretty quick and simple "dip job", with most of the figure washed with Vallejo sepia wash after blocking in base colors. Basically just the sword blade, the teeth and the shields were done separately -- I find this helps give the figure some definition.
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Maxxon,
I use practically the same technique but use Windsor & Newton peat brown ink as a wash/lowlight, then add highlights metals drybrushing etc. Looking forward to doing some piebald and skewbald hide and furs
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Finally able to post some pics of the Em4 orc horde
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1085_zpse6dfba8b.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1085_zpse6dfba8b.jpg.html)
The spearman block
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1065_zpsf53d4749.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1065_zpsf53d4749.jpg.html)
The spearman block
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1066_zps382c7850.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1066_zps382c7850.jpg.html)
Swordsmen with fur cloaks
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1046_zpsd20e9e16.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1046_zpsd20e9e16.jpg.html)
Swordsmen various
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1048_zps97bec79e.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1048_zps97bec79e.jpg.html)
Armoured swordsmen
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1047_zpsd5ef9a17.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1047_zpsd5ef9a17.jpg.html)
Standard bearers various
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1049_zpsb498dab0.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1049_zpsb498dab0.jpg.html)
The rhythmn section
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1050_zpsd0f51a37.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1050_zpsd0f51a37.jpg.html)
The archers en masse
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1054_zpsfd470313.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1054_zpsfd470313.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1052_zps145361e8.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1052_zps145361e8.jpg.html)
Archers with scalplocks
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1056_zps1b244076.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1056_zps1b244076.jpg.html)
Armoured archers
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1057_zps7afdefde.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1057_zps7afdefde.jpg.html)
Archers with cloaks and fur caps
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1059_zps14bf1a86.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1059_zps14bf1a86.jpg.html)
Swordsmen from spearmen
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1060_zps05c4611e.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1060_zps05c4611e.jpg.html)
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Too cool ! I really like what you did with plastic minis. I like the old school flavor also. Can't wait to see them painted !
Something interesting also would be to know how much this army will cost you finally !
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sundayhero
£30 for 50 x archers, 50 x spearmen, 50 x swordsmen, 1 pk 100 shields from Em4
£5 for Green stuff
£5 for brass rod (for pinning and glueing & for spear shafts)
Superglue x 1
Cheap contact glue x 1
Instant Polyfilla x 1
Scrap card
£5 magnetic basing material (fully magnetic L plates from amazon)
The rest is from my bits box.
Probably £50 all in
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That is seriously impressive, mate.
Well worth the effort.
8) 8)
A fair old horde that I am looking forward to seeing with paint on.
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That's a pretty decent price for a complete army. Now I want to see this painted !
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Impressive 8)
cheers
James
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I am deeply impressed with the way you transformed 3 sets of monopose into such a variety of interesting troops.
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Yep, definitely agree with that!
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The trick I found was to use all three figure poses for maximum possible variation.
The most versatile pose was undoubtedly the spearman with both arms free from the torso for repositioning/swapping. However it was possible to separate the swordsman arm at the shoulder and with care reuse or swap out, as well as changing wrist and forearm positions on all three figures. Apart from altering the position of the bow arm, the archer head could also be swapped out. I'm not good on probability but that made for umpteen possible variants. Add to that the ability to make good with green stuff and sculpt additional details and change weapons. The penultimate variant is cropping the rectangular base so the figure position on the new card base can be altered. Finally, variations in paint job can add yet another level. Remember not to get carried away and to leave a few in their original positions!
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Really great work, it was a joy working you most WIP on these and now seeing the finished result :D
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Echoing my Fellow Forumites: VERY IMPRESSIVE! You've created a Horde of individuals. If you continue that approach with the painting, this will be a WONDROUS sight to behold. Have FUN with it all!
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My first unit of 24 archers is getting a paint job atm. And a right scummy looking lot they are turning into... :)
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It is one of those odd things that having your lovingly painted Orcs described as scummy, seedy, ratty, wretched looking is considered a compliment. That aside, enjoy the scummy experience!
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Great stuff ! Some fantastic conversions
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These are a few of my favourites. I had the best fun I think with the spearmen variants
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1079_zps4a22d0f4.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1079_zps4a22d0f4.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1074_zpsc0d4f053.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1074_zpsc0d4f053.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1072_zps6ab3179d.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1072_zps6ab3179d.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1070_zpsead32b67.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1070_zpsead32b67.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1071_zps8e5f69cf.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1071_zps8e5f69cf.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1062_zps3a87c8a2.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1062_zps3a87c8a2.jpg.html)
And a couple of archer leaders
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1055_zps58577e40.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/sukhe_bator/media/IMAG1055_zps58577e40.jpg.html)
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Holy Cow! :-* Fantastic work! You made those sculpts so dynamic!
Thanks for sharing your techniques. The seemingly simple act of re-positioning the figure on the new base makes the whole army look alive.
I don't know if the tilt of the heads is artistic or born out of need, but it adds to the gangliness of these orcs, something I always loved about the Lunds.
Awesome job! That's a great collection to be proud of!
Jevenkah
ps- what's your take on the protective gear on the back of the hands (you can see it pretty well on the first 2 pix you just posted)? I've always painted them as "brass" knuckles but I think you're the guy to ask as you've spent so much up-close time with these.
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Jevenkah,
Thanks for the kind comments. I'm pretty pleased with how they came out. As to the modelling on the hands, I'm not altogether sure, but I think the spearman is wearing the equivalent of a fingerless wrapping around his palm and forearm with metal studs or spikes over the knuckles. also I think there is also a lanyard or thong loop around the hand which is from the spear grip. I know they were sometimes used on Ancient Greek spears and javelins. I like the idea of the knuckleduster though which I've seen on Lund sculpts. I will definitely be painting some up as those.
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Woah! These are brialliant. Some of them look like totally different sculpts. I'm tempted to avail myself of a lot of cheap EM4 Orcs and have a go at this myself, or maybe some of the (I think less convertible) EM4 dwarves!
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WOW!!!
:-*
I love these
I'm not a fan of plastic minis (all metal here) but I'd take these orcs into my horde any day.
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I painted up my remaining FW orcs:
(http://www.swob.kvy.fi/photo-archive/20140227-2/thumb/20140227-2-012.jpg)
Some examples of shield styles:
(http://www.swob.kvy.fi/photo-archive/20140227-2/tiny/20140227-2-015.jpg)
(http://www.swob.kvy.fi/photo-archive/20140227-2/tiny/20140227-2-016.jpg)
I need to practice freehand shields because I'm supposed to paint my Masai warriors by the end of the year...
More pics and blabbering at http://www.smallcuts.net (http://www.smallcuts.net)
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Nice stuff Maxxon! I too am working on a unit of these guys... I've mixed the three poses in a single unit and will be fielding them as hobgoblins in one version or another of Warhammer.
Here's how the trial piece worked out. Pretty decent models considering the price, which also means I didn't have to worry so much about the results of my "speed" painting. Speed for me = slowly and painstakingly applying base coat, wash, base coat again, single highlight. Turned out rather well, I think.
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Nice to see these again, I have a bunch in a box from the early 90s/late 80s. Lots of great conversions!
@phreedh: I guess you too have the old Swedish release of Fantasy Warriors? :) I may have to paint them up in the style of how I painted some Heroquest orcs:
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/mrtnw/Miniatures/orcs1.jpg)
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What a coincidence, I painted my HQ orcs in the same batch with the FW ones... hmmm... don't seem to have taken too many pics of them but here they are:
(http://www.swob.kvy.fi/photo-archive/20140227-2/thumb/20140227-2-011.jpg)
@phreed: I like your skin color and the purple tunic complements it nicely. I should try some lighter skin tones in the next batch.
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@phreed: I like your skin color and the purple tunic complements it nicely. I should try some lighter skin tones in the next batch.
Cheers! I figured, as hobgoblins, they should be orange/yellow/ochre-ish... The purple was a bit of an accident. I painted diluted mechrite red over a white undercoat and decided I liked it better than what I had originally intended. They're part of a large, long-term project. Mixed race whfb bad guys vs good guys. All plastic monopose models from the late 80s and early 90s. The bad guys have (or will have) different shades of red, purple and black. Good guys green, white and blue.
Mrtn: Actually, no. =) I picked it up many times in the shop and considered getting it, but couldn't be bothered with all the miniatures (at the time). I got these for free from cheetor a few years ago. I have a mate who owns it, never uses it - and refuses to let me buy it. =D
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Can I interupt to say that I really like the 'red orcs', mrtn?
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Building up to a photo session, hopefully over the Easter Hols as all 150 are virtually done...
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Ok, how come I've only just seen this thread?
Seems like there is a huge amount of Lundophilia about... Which is awesome. I thought I was the only one!
You've done a brilliant job on those plastics! I'm jealous.
I'm a dwarf player, not an Orc. I fell out of love with Gw dwarfs when they lost their knees and got orange hair. I found grenadier dwarfs, and never looked back.
Naturally my dwarfs needed something to fight (although they never go on the table top) so I started picking up grenadier orcs...
That was 25 or so years ago, and I continue to pick up bits and pieces on eBay etc.
The result? I now have about a thousand figures in the two armies! All metal. Though I too have eyed the plastic figures at two shillings per thousand and imagined the second and third waves of orcs that I'm going to need...
You can see bits and pieces on my highly neglected blog
http://brandlin.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/FW%20Dwarf
And
http://brandlin.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Fantasy
It's been four years since I posted anything regarding them. This thread had inspired me to get my camera out at the weekend...
Thank you.
Now, where are the update pictures?
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Cool project! I would have done some heavy armour orcs by going crazy with the plasticard. Get some thin stuff and simply cut out plates. Its really easy to do, and go with the polystyrene cement. Also, chew the plasticard to get a really easy beaten metal texture....
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Not wanting to derail this thread too greatly but i thought i would share my hoard of Lund goodness with fellow enthusiasts.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WmiXRFJuZRc/VEPeaaOL-MI/AAAAAAAAEuA/xZ6pynI733w/s1600/Orcs%2B1.jpg)
That's about 20% of my Lund collection. You can see the other 8 Pictures on my blog post (http://brandlin.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/and-he-did-not-think-it-too-many.html).
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WOW! :o :o :o I thought my collection was good yours is inspirational. Will you ever get it all painted is of course the big question lol
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Nice collection brandlin, and may I say DAMN YOU!! ;) been looking for grenadier mounted kobolds for a while and I see you have at least three! All bought a long time ago though I imagine. Good luck getting that painted (and doing you're DoD as well >:D )
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WOW! :o :o :o I thought my collection was good yours is inspirational. Will you ever get it all painted is of course the big question lol
Nice collection brandlin, and may I say DAMN YOU!! ;) been looking for grenadier mounted kobolds for a while and I see you have at least three! All bought a long time ago though I imagine. Good luck getting that painted (and doing you're DoD as well >:D )
What is this obsession that people seem to have with painting figures? its highly overrated. I think the task might simply be to collect, organise and base. That way I have a chance of finishing. Whatever 'finishing' means.
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lol
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lol
I collected my mounted kobolds (counts as goblins) from ebay over the years so it can be done -
drop me a pm i may be able to help. :-)
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Brilliant thread! Love the variety of all the conversions. As much as I don't mind mono-pose models, orcs are one of those armies that never look orcy enough if they're all regimented. With the conversions you barely notice that everything in a unit is based on one model. Love it.
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Brilliant thread! Love the variety of all the conversions. As much as I don't mind mono-pose models, orcs are one of those armies that never look orcy enough if they're all regimented. With the conversions you barely notice that everything in a unit is based on one model. Love it.
That's why I love the Asgard orcs. Lots of variety in poses and they look great as a rabble. The conversions here work really really well.
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Can we get a painting update?
I have some of these as savage orcs, i found removing the mold lines the biggest pain-how did you fare?
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Brandlin - that is a cool Nick Lund collection! Now all you have to do is paint 'em!!!
I dearly wish I'd had the money at the time to add to my collection when new sculpts came out...
Hence my excitement when I spotted the Lund-esque Em4 orcs
Sadly my current camera is s**t but I will attempt some pics as soon as I can dig out my collection from storage
As for mould lines - persevering with chiselling away with a craft knife to separate the flash without losing any flesh was a slow process. I had limited success with filing/sanding since it left the plastic surface roughened and I couldn't get into the nooks and crannies very well.
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Necromancy I know but just raising this thread as I last night I watched H:Bot5A.... rubbish film but this is an inspiring force of Orcs. Well done. 8)
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Many thanks,
I'll see if I can't dig 'em out for a photo call... pics'll be s**te tho
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Finally... two cameras later (drum rolls), pics of the horde almost complete...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0409_zpsqqfconim.jpg)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0408_zpslfoxtdv8.jpg)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0407_zpsungckqrb.jpg)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0406_zpsiikdvihf.jpg)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0405_zpsednivufo.jpg)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0404_zpsconyklhe.jpg)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Uruks/DSCF0403_zps3czbgjmg.jpg)
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Now do it all again...twice! ;D
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:o Job's a good 'un! Even the smaller tweaks are more effective than I imagined, and the effect in each block is excellent. At arm's length you could easily mistake them for units of GW multipart orcs, or sumpthin'.
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Great final result ! :o
It's also a good way to build a dragon rampant extra cheap army !
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It's also a good way to build a dragon rampant extra cheap army !
£50 all in for 150 figs, that's 12 and a half 12 man units for LR or approx 50pts worth - £1 a point not bad eh?
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Sure ! Especially thinking that you can buy orcs and dwarfs, so you can make a dragon rampant 2 players set for a very reasonable price !
Who said our hobby (especially in 25-28mm) was expensive ? lol
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You'll also need to factor in the cost of a box of elastoplast... It's easy to nick your fingertips when converting the models :D
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That is a very impressive horde and loving the numerous conversions. You are more than welcome to post more of that Orcish loveliness. Cracking job.
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Superb!
8) 8)
As a horde they look even better as you would never guess that they are from so few a number of initial poses.
Top drawer, sir.
Top drawer.
:-* :-*
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Nice ... and scary !!! :) ... very cool
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I have to say I am sorely tempted to do a shedload of dwarves,
I like the idea of the crossbowmen with Perry WoTR/HYW archers mantlets and some phalanxes of spear and shield armed khuzdul :D ;)
http://combatzonechronicles.net/cozoxc/flattery.htm
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I like the cut of your jib, sir.
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Having been alerted by sukhe_bator that he's posted new photos, I returned to a topic which I thought I'd missed completely. Having started to read it from scratch, I was surprised to find I'd actually posted on it some time back - so much for my memory.
Anyway, don't those orcs look amazing; great work and most impressive organised in units. Congratulations on pursuing an excellent project over several years and coming up with such a great result.
Earlier in the topic, someone asked who the sculptor was. It was Mark Copplestone.
Also, someone mentioned Grenadier mounted kobolds. I thought I had pretty good recall of what we produced back then but I can't remember mounted kobolds. Anyone got any more info?
Recently, it's been the plastic dwarves that have been selling most but if sukhe_bator's work on the orcs gets to be widely seen, I'm guessing the orcs will outselling the dwarves soon. Well done indeed.
Doug
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Bit off topic maybe, but..
These?
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Fantasy_Lords_-_Second_Series#053
and 054 but on the same page so the linky is fine for both.
Must say also that regardless both the orcs and dwarfs are great, well worth more visibility in the hobby for bulking forces out at the very least.
Great for conversions to.
Especially by someone at your level sukhe_bator - would be worth seeing you do some :D
You know you want to..
And Doug, don't miss out on
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=87542.30
Shaved Dwarf's Conversion Adventure - he is doing some cracking work with them as well.
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I have to say I am sorely tempted to do a shedload of dwarves,
I like the idea of the crossbowmen with Perry WoTR/HYW archers mantlets and some phalanxes of spear and shield armed khuzdul :D ;)
http://combatzonechronicles.net/cozoxc/flattery.htm
Great looking Orc horde.
Give us the recipe for the skin tone? I have a love hate relationship with the GW created green skin idea. Your brown green tone I think has a lot of merit.
Now get on with the dwarfs. A far more noble prospect.
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Brandlin,
For many years I was using enamels, but these last few years I've been using acrylics...
I routinely use just five. Zinc white, Burnt umber, Cadmium yellow, Cadmium red, and black. The skin tone is achieved with a mix of brown, yellow, black and white, with a touch of red. A peat brown ink wash is used for lowlights... This gives a range of greenish brown to reddish brown skin tones not unlike the leathery looking skin tones used for the UrukHai in the PJ films.
I have a bucketload of dwarves on order from Em4 as we speak