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Title: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: The Gray Ghost on 30 May 2013, 08:12:02 PM
I just bought a Karman buggy and am wondering how it was supposed to work the driver is facing backwards manning two guns
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 30 May 2013, 08:25:02 PM
I always assumed the front part is not an engine bonnet, but rather an armoured cockpit, but now that you mention it, it really does look quite strange. Form over function, apparently.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: tnjrp on 31 May 2013, 06:30:07 AM
As said, they do looks a bit strange but since the engines pretty evidently aren't in the body, it must be the pilot who is under the "bonnet". The monkey at the back is the tail gunner -- a coveted position I'm sure, given how exposed he is :P
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: former user on 31 May 2013, 06:39:17 AM
the MKII clearly shows it
(http://ufo.serversales.de/albums/userpics/normal_at43_karman08.jpg)

I understood At-43 is dead and buried or am I wrong?
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: tnjrp on 31 May 2013, 07:06:10 AM
I do believe the game's still dead and there is no news of imminent resurrection either AFAIK, but that doesn't mean the miniatures have vanished. In fact you can get the monkey stuff especially for, well, peanuts if you happen to be in the right place at the right time. I recenlty bought four "hero buggies" for a tenner + p&p.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Verderer on 31 May 2013, 08:50:18 AM
I believe someone bought at least parts of the intellectual property, could be FFG? At least they had a board game about Cadwallon? Also, there was a computer game recently that's based on Confrontation. And of course CMoN folks have some of the minis released. So looks like the property was split up?

Anyways, yes the buggy looks odd as hell, but with exception of the guns & gunner, it's great retro design, I have this idea about converting it to SW speeder/skiff type vessel by breaking it up and then re-assembling sans the gunner dude.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Inso on 31 May 2013, 08:56:37 AM
Just out of interest, what sort of material are the buggies made from? Is it hard plastic or that soft vinyl stuff?
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: tnjrp on 31 May 2013, 09:05:30 AM
All AT-43 vehicles are hard plastic.

Confrontation and related properties were indeed bought by two previously-unknown-to-me companies: Cyanide has the rights and Legacy Miniatures is (re)producing the minis -- not many out yet AFAIK tho:
http://www.cyanide-studio.com/miniatures/confrontation/

IIRC they at least didn't announce anything about AT-43 at the time and there doesn't seem to be anything about it on their site now either.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: ink the troll on 31 May 2013, 10:39:39 AM
As has been said they're hard plastic. And fairly easy to disassemble (actually some of the parts just fall off).
The hood on the front is partly glued to the body, but also has some hinges so that once you've loosened the glue you can open and close it.
Some quick pics (batteries need recharging, so I didn't have time for decent pics)- didn't have any Grymn at hand (I know I once bought four or so but no idea where they are), so the Bohkins will have to do for a size comparison.
 
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_3993_zpsf7bfefeb.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_3993_zpsf7bfefeb.jpg.html)(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_3996_zpsf6e12bcf.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_3996_zpsf6e12bcf.jpg.html)(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_3998_zps8387763e.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_3998_zps8387763e.jpg.html)(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_3999_zpsd15de0f1.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_3999_zpsd15de0f1.jpg.html)(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_4001_zps0cd8d1d7.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_4001_zps0cd8d1d7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: tnjrp on 31 May 2013, 10:49:44 AM
Many if not all of the AT-43 vehicles that were supposed to be piloted actually had cockpit details, but the cockpit canopies/hatches were mostly glued shut and there is often no pilot figure inside if you do pry the cockpit open. I have no idea what they were thinking when making that kind of detail. I haven't seen it but supposedly even some of the Therian vehicles have some internal detail you can't see unless you take the thing apart. What is even weirder is that one of the big Dirtz monsters from the plastic prepainted Confrontation line (I forget the name and can't be bothered to check ATM) has detail underneath its outer carapace that you can't possibly have a reason to open up (unless doing a conversion or it happens to break apart)... o_o
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: ink the troll on 31 May 2013, 11:57:24 AM
The only thing where that sort of detailing would make sense was if they had planned to use certain parts for other vehicles (maybe open versions) or critters later on.
The buggy doesn't really have details under the cockpit hood though.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Inso on 31 May 2013, 01:12:29 PM
Thanks for the pics, Ink (and even more so for using Grymn sized minis for the comparisons)... very helpful.

One question, is there any chance you could take a pic of the underside of the vehicle so I can see how it is likely to hover/what thrusters etc are there?

Cheers.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: ink the troll on 31 May 2013, 02:00:45 PM
Will do once the batteries are charged, have to take some more pics of stuff anyways.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Elbows on 31 May 2013, 05:18:29 PM
Heads up for those who don't know.  The DUST mechs arms etc. are mostly interchangeable with the AT-43 stuff (designed by the same guys from what I understand).  If you're looking to make some cool bots/mechs you can swap arms and weapons back and forth between the DUST walkers and AT-43 mechs.

I had a slew of them a while back.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Inso on 31 May 2013, 05:37:52 PM
Will do once the batteries are charged, have to take some more pics of stuff anyways.

Cheers :)
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: ink the troll on 31 May 2013, 06:03:35 PM
underside:
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_4006_zps1b444d12.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_4006_zps1b444d12.jpg.html)(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_4007_zps9c284597.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_4007_zps9c284597.jpg.html)

disassembled:
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/ink_the_troll/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/th_100_4003_zps47a17bf2.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/ink_the_troll/media/size%20comparisons/karmans_kingbuggy/100_4003_zps47a17bf2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Inso on 31 May 2013, 06:53:32 PM
Cheers for that Ink :)

It looks like the buggy stays in the air by sci-fi-magic... nothing a few holes/vents wouldn't sort out.


This thread has been very informative (I thought these vehicles were soft plastic for a start  :o ).

Thank you :)
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: ink the troll on 31 May 2013, 07:19:01 PM
I always figured those things sandwiched in between the wings' upper and lower parts are supposed to be jet engines.
If you only need one, let me know. If you need more, it might be worth having a search on http://www.ludikbazar.com/
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Inso on 31 May 2013, 07:46:54 PM
I always figured those things sandwiched in between the wings' upper and lower parts are supposed to be jet engines.
If you only need one, let me know. If you need more, it might be worth having a search on http://www.ludikbazar.com/

Those engines get it going forward but I was hoping that there were some hover jets or something underneath... but it is nice and smooth so adding them won't be a problem.

Thanks for the offer but I think your link is more appropriate (I expect I will want a few) so thanks again :).
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: The Gray Ghost on 31 May 2013, 07:56:20 PM
they certainly do come apart easily, I bought one used off ebay the rear guns were already off and the fin on the hood and one of the forward guns came off during shipping then when I was trying to fix it one of the engines came out.
I intend to use it as a retro sci-fi hot rod anyway.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: ink the troll on 31 May 2013, 09:56:06 PM
Those engines get it going forward but I was hoping that there were some hover jets or something underneath... but it is nice and smooth so adding them won't be a problem.

Thanks for the offer but I think your link is more appropriate (I expect I will want a few) so thanks again :).
Thought that might be the case. Make sure to post some pics once the hover buggy armada is ready for take off...
It's quite funny- I bought the Buggies for some Bohkin & Druusch, you might buy them for the Grymn!
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Doomsdave on 01 June 2013, 02:22:28 AM

I intend to use it as a retro sci-fi hot rod anyway.

Ditto.  Great minds.
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Mick A on 01 June 2013, 09:06:13 AM
I've always had a soft spot for the Karmans (cigar smoking space gorillas, whats not to like :D) and have a reasonable sized force, the prices in the UK though are way higher than the rest of the world (yes there is the odd bargain on e-bay now and again but retail wise, a lot more than everywhere else...).
Title: Re: AT-43 Karman Buggy
Post by: Momotaro on 01 June 2013, 10:40:12 AM
I'll second Ink the Troll's link to Ludikbazar - much cheaper prices than the UK and good shipping times (and unlike Miniature Market in the States, no customs charges).

Postage is high, but the break-even point compared to ebay.co.uk is around 3 boxes of troops.

http://www.ludikbazar.com/index.php?cPath=460_4270_3672