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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: swordman on 19 July 2013, 07:35:29 AM

Title: rules?
Post by: swordman on 19 July 2013, 07:35:29 AM: hello,

wanting to start a pike & shot project - Italian Wars. any suggestion what rules to use?
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Post by: King Tiger on 19 July 2013, 10:27:18 AM: I would of though black powder to be the obvious choice, its the easiest rule set to get hold of, and widely used/recognized
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Post by: Lowtardog on 19 July 2013, 11:02:07 AM: I think starting point would be what size of army you fancy that may dictate rules as army or skirmish level etc , scale of minis e.g. 28mm or 15mm
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Post by: swordman on 19 July 2013, 12:50:39 PM: it will be a 28mm army. are there siege rules with Black Powder?
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Post by: Mako on 20 July 2013, 04:57:07 AM: Piquet Basic Rules, plus their Band of Brothers supplement is ideal for the Italian Wars.

It's not for everyone, since it is card driven, along with command points, so you don't have full control over your troops, but again, that's part of what makes it perfect for the Italian Wars, as well as the Wars of the Roses too.

I seem to recall people using it for the Hundred Years Wars as well, also, since it is a pretty flexible system.

You can create your own custom cards to match them with the battles you plan to recreate, as needed.

Maximilian is another good set of rules too. Rather like Big Battles DBA, but written in clear English, so it is easy to understand. If I recall correctly, you can use it for the above periods as well.
Title: Re: rules?
Post by: redzed on 20 July 2013, 08:42:18 AM: Quote from: swordman on 19 July 2013, 07:35:29 AM
hello,

wanting to start a pike & shot project - Italian Wars. any suggestion what rules to use?

Impetus sounds ideal for what you want, the 1st supplement is specifically aimed at the Italian Wars, There is also Impetus Baroque (free at the moment) which is ideal for Pike & Shotee type games.
IMPETUS LINK (http://www.dadiepiombo.com/impetus2.html)
Top of page for Forum and Basic Impetus bottom of page for all th expansions.

Basic Impetus is free and is a very basic and stripped down version of Impetus there is also an active forum.
Title: Re: rules?
Post by: Dave Knight on 20 July 2013, 09:00:08 AM: Both Impetus and Piquet give good games. Italian Wars probably fits Impetus better than Baroque IMHO
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on 20 July 2013, 09:38:45 AM: Pike and Shotte from Warlord would be much better suited than Black Powder.

cheers

James
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Post by: redzed on 20 July 2013, 09:41:02 AM: Quote from: Dave Knight on 20 July 2013, 09:00:08 AM
Italian Wars probably fits Impetus better than Baroque IMHO
Yep, ;)

Impetus Italian Wars Army (http://corrigenda.pbworks.com/w/page/16520302/Great%20Italian%20Wars)
Title: Re: rules?
Post by: King Tiger on 20 July 2013, 08:29:10 PM: Quote from: jimbibbly on 20 July 2013, 09:38:45 AM
Pike and Shotte from Warlord would be much better suited than Black Powder.

cheers

James
I thought pike and shotte was part of black powder?
Title: Re: rules?
Post by: fastolfrus on 20 July 2013, 11:42:49 PM: Who are you playing against and where?

Might influence things by "what does everyone else use?"
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Post by: yar68 on 21 July 2013, 09:32:28 PM: I use Warfare in the Age of Discovery, they're written by the guys who wrote the 7YW set Age of Reason, they're period specific, so should fit in with what you want.
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Post by: swordman on 22 July 2013, 07:51:22 AM: thanks everyone for the suggestions.
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Post by: H.M.Stanley on 22 July 2013, 08:59:39 AM: Quote from: jimbibbly on 20 July 2013, 09:38:45 AM
Pike and Shotte from Warlord would be much better suited than Black Powder.

cheers

James

Agreed. We use P&S for ECW and Renaissance games. It's a stand alone rule set and you don't need BP (although they are similar, obviously, in some ways)