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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: KraVseR on 22 July 2013, 11:04:04 AM
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Hello! Who have any information about warriors of colonial New Guinea and the Pacific Island? This is german colonies, but i'm interested of militiamen and local people.
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The Germans recruited an insular guard in the Marianas from both the Chamorro and Carolinian inhabitants. My wife's grandfather was the Sergeant Major of the unit on Saipan (and the only one of his unit that wanted to fight the Japanese in 1914 when they landed). They were uniformed in slouch hats like the German troops in Africa, white shirts with dark chevrons across the front (I have seen pictures with variations between 1 and 3) and dark pants but no footwear. I can not tell you the colors because all of the photos are black and white but I strongly suspect that they were dark blue. I have seen a great picture from a 1950s United Nations Day celebration day where the old guys were on parade in their uniforms goosestepping. When Georg Fritz, the district officer in Saipan, was transferred to Pohnpei he retained a bodyguard of Carolinean troopers from Saipan that continued to wear the same uniform.
LB
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Thank you. Can you display these photos?
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I'm at work at the moment and the web site below is blocked, but if I remember correctly this site gives details of German and local troops in the pacific;
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/ (http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/)
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Yes, thank you, I know about this site. But I need more information.
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I love this subject. I recently received two books,on the rebellion on Ponape,"Rebellion in der Sudsee",by Thomas Morlang,and a reprint of "Kriegs bilder aus Ponape"von E.Freiherr Spiegel von und zu Peckelsheim,both available thru "Berlinner Zinnfiguren",both in german,second one in the old Gothic script.Both have a scattering of pictures.I have recently ordered a big book from "Namibiana Buchdepot",with 554 pitures of the German southseas colonies.,I am waiting for that one to come in.Also in 28mm,Askari minatures makes great german sailors in Pith helmets,Pulp miniatures makes Polynesian warriors,Tiger makes native policemen.I do read german so most my colonial books are in german I have quite an extensive collection ,.I will let you know on the new book when it comes in.
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Maybe who can post examples of uniforms?
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Dear KraVser,on the German Colonial website,check out the links,they lead to many treasures,also the cigarertte albums has all the police troops ,Osprey books will be releasing a book on the German Colonial troops in August.Check out "OstAfrika yahoo group.Covers all German colonies,also Axis Forum,Chris Dale is an authority is active on that group.When I get in my picture album on the Colonies of the southseas I'll give a review.
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Dear KraVser,on the German Colonial website,check out the links,they lead to many treasures,also the cigarertte albums has all the police troops ,Osprey books will be releasing a book on the German Colonial troops in August.Check out "OstAfrika yahoo group.Covers all German colonies,also Axis Forum,Chris Dale is an authority is active on that group.When I get in my picture album on the Colonies of the southseas I'll give a review.
What cigarertte albums? Where I can see they?
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Hello,
wern't the Marianas and Carolinas islands Spanish colonies for centuries before the Germans took them over in the late 19th century ?
Any Spanish punitive expeditions/ campaigns / police actions 19th century ?
Pat.
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Alligator,
The Germans bought both the Marianas and the Carolines from Spain in 1899. There were some problems with Spanish and Philippine deportados (exiled prisoners) in the 1870s in the Marianas. There were also a very few criminal acts but nothing that I could see being gameable. I am not aware of anything in the Carolines (unlike the Sokehs Rebellion at Pohnepei under the Germans). I will have to check my Hezel (Strangers in Their Own Land)to see if I can find anything that I have forgotten.
LB
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boh !! very amazing !! thanks Scurv :)
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great job scurv! awesome fotos. thanx for the sites.
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Thanks. Also I know about Goroka festival.
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Those Phantom Shields are impressive and mind provoking.
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Just received must have book for this subject ,from "Namibiana Buchdepot in germany. "Bilder Aus Deutschen Sudsee",for 59. Euros,500 plus pages of photos,covering all the german possesions,covering all aspects military and non.Being it is mainly pictures German (Deutsch) not required. this is without a doubt best book on subject. Great service and a free gift to boot.
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Great find Juergen :o :o
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Just received must have book for this subject ,from "Namibiana Buchdepot in germany. "Bilder Aus Deutschen Sudsee",for 59. Euros,500 plus pages of photos,covering all the german possesions,covering all aspects military and non.Being it is mainly pictures German (Deutsch) not required. this is without a doubt best book on subject. Great service and a free gift to boot.
Great!
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In "Rivals of the raj" by Peter Abbott (Foundry), he mentions that the locals in the Marianas, Carolinas and Guam were "never reconciled to Spanish control" , and the Spanish had to send out a number of small expeditions especially as a few garrisons were "put to the sword" in 1887 and 1890.
No details given about these expeditions.
John.
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Just finished reading "Rebellion in der Sudsee" der aufstand auf Ponape gegen die deutschen Kolonialherren 1910/11.,by Thomas Morlang.Good read on something I was very vague.The germans put close to 550 troops in the field about 1/3rd local polizei troops from all th islands.52 asst'd heavy weapons,maxims,37 mm schnellfeuer kanone,etc..... It seems the local polizei were not to keen to leave cover,and left the last push to the sailors.The natives were usually on fortified, hilltops in dense jungle.Usually retreating after firing awhile then falling back before the exhausted ,cursing sailors.It seems the natives wre armed with a variety of firearms and native weaponry,old remington rifles from the spanish were common. the heavy weaponry from the ships and sailors had a telling effect. However there were cases of friendly fire on german officers with polizei truppen in canoes being fired upon by ther own ships,even after many friendly waves.I am not quite sure what the ships thought the threat would be.I am now stating to read von Peckesheim memoirs of the campaign,this will take a little longer as it is is Gothic script...I'll keep you posted.
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NeuGuinea weapons and carvings
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Neuguinea art and jewelry
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Art and jewelry german micronesia
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masks of NeuGuinea
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Native police from Yap(FOrmal headdress normally straw hat) and Neuguinea
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Wow! Thanks!
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19th century prints from:
The Historical Encyclopedia Of Costume by Albert Racinet (http://warfare.gq/19C/Racinet.htm)
Oceania
Malays, Papuans, Aborigines (http://warfare.gq/19C/Racinet-p44-45-Oceania.htm)
Java, Borneo, Singapore, Philippines (http://warfare.gq/19C/Racinet-p46-47-Java-Borneo-Singapore-Philippines.htm)
Mirror Site
The Historical Encyclopedia Of Costume by Albert Racinet (http://warfare.cf/19C/Racinet.htm)
Oceania
Malays, Papuans, Aborigines (http://warfare.cf/19C/Racinet-p44-45-Oceania.htm)
Java, Borneo, Singapore, Philippines (http://warfare.cf/19C/Racinet-p46-47-Java-Borneo-Singapore-Philippines.htm)
Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare.gq/index.htm)
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Great link,nice addition
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19th century prints from:
The Historical Encyclopedia Of Costume by Albert Racinet (http://warfare.co.nf/19C/Racinet.htm)
Oceania
Malays, Papuans, Aborigines (http://warfare.co.nf/19C/Racinet-p44-45-Oceania.htm)
Java, Borneo, Singapore, Philippines (http://warfare.co.nf/19C/Racinet-p46-47-Java-Borneo-Singapore-Philippines.htm)
Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare2.netai.net/index.htm)
Thaks, I know this site...