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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Paul Hicks on July 29, 2013, 07:54:15 AM
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The Crupellarius and Scissor
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Provocator and Retiarius
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Bazenga! :D
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Nice ones. :)
Not sure about equipment detail (the scissor's short mailshirt) and posing (retiarius on attack before casting his net?), but there you go. Nice nevertheless.
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The net I had seen from a reconstruction and thought that was new and seemed a perfect place to keep the net. On page four of the Osprey Gladiator book shows what looks like a contemporary illustration of a scissor in a short mail shirt.
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The net I had seen from a reconstruction and thought that was new and seemed a perfect place to keep the net. On page four of the Osprey Gladiator book shows what looks like a contemporary illustration of a scissor in a short mail shirt.
Don't have the book at hand, maybe it's referring to this depiction from Bodrum?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/Poliorketes/Tabletop/Gladiators/gladiator1_mus_bodrum_zps2c1f2f9d.jpg)
Might well be a scissor, of course. And my perception to date, that scissores compensated their lack of shields with full body armour (based on Junkelmann reconstructions), might be totally wrong as well. Live and learn. ;)
Still, it looks like the retiarius could easily entangle himself if he wanted to pull the net from his protected shoulder in the heat of the fight. After all, it's one of his primary weapons, and he should at least have tried to cast it before closing in with the unwieldy trident. Anyway, just a thought – and personal preference.
PS: Congrats to the latest Hicks offspring! :)
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Lovely figures as usual.
Really like the retiarius. Very good action pose and a nice change from the usual. Might be a gladiator that has just reclaimed his net (as it is obviously no longer attached to his wrist) and is now going after his opponent with a vengeance.
Best rendition of a Cruppelarius I ever saw. Simply looks like the walking tank he's supposed to be.
Scissor ( later Arbelas) looks great too. I personally would have preffered him in scale armour and crested helmet as in the Nossov book, but this one looks like a perfect adversary for a retiarius too. And who knows this figures might prove so immensely popular that Paul will have to sculpt dozens more. :D
Provocator looks very impressive too. Beautiful helmet!
Not sure how many will be in this first set but as soon as it's ready I'll order them from Lon. Simply a matter of avoiding too much P&P and most of all the dreaded Customs robbery.
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Lovely - all of them!
I really like the retiarius' stance, but will keep my thoughts on the net to myself.
Will there be a 5th miniature to this group, like in the last?
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'Crupellarius and Scissor' really happy to see these two added. Please keep adding the rarer Gladiator types to the collection.
These really are lovely sculpts. Congratulations on how their turning out.
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very nice, some figures i intend to buy when the range is expanded!
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I like them...and while I've been pouring over several books, none of them look out of place to me. I've seen plenty of illustrations where the scissor is depicted with chain skirt, and some with just heavy padded stuff.
I would like to see a pair of scissor poses, and a pair of secutor poses so that we can refight some of the retiarius vs. paired secutor/scissor fights. All of the sources I've seen mention or depict them occasionally fighting in pairs against the retiarius. So two poses would be nice. Heck I do think it'd be nice to essentially have two poses/sculpts for each type of fighter. Gives you some variety and allows the fairly common matches between matched classes.
I do hope a Dimachaerus rounds out this group of five. It's also awesome to see a second Provocator so they can fight each other. I will be ordering this set when available for sure.
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Love these and the others. Been meaning to do Gladiators for ages. I got close once. lol
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Just got mine in the mail...look fantastic. Unfortunately it's raining, so I'm not sure I'll get to prime them (need something to paint tonight! ARGH!).
Scale looks pretty inline with Foundry, maybe a bit smaller...definitely not as "chunky". Detail is fantastic on the minis though, really superb.
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EDIT: Problem addressed by Brigade Games - page 2.
I have to put my foot in my mouth.
I started working on preparing the minis, and found a rather serious flaw: All three of the scutums have been poorly cast and have holes in the center plate...seen here. I'll be emailing Brigade Games, but these shouldn't be shipping like this (and I'm assuming mine won't be the only ones). One of the mini's bases is also a bit warped (missing metal)...but luckily it's the base and not a more crucial part of the mini.
The sculpts are quite excellent...though I have run into two molds lines. Fortunately I hate using metal shields and I have a box of plastic Roman legionaires on the way, and I'll be using their shields, but they need to fix these stat. I realize it's an easy fix for a common gamer or builder, but it's a flaw for sure.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Elbaus/2013-07-31_16-51-19_174_zpsc6429d72.jpg)
:-[
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Fortunately that's a flaw that can be easily covered up with a bit of green stuff. But yes its something they need to rectify!
If you have time to put up a photo comparison of the Brigades next to Foundry, that would be appreciated.
Cheers Marc.
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Will do, I'll have one of the minis done tomorrow evening, so it'll be mounted/based etc. These are a little more difficult to paint than the Foundries but not too tough (some more rough edges, and generally more realistic body shape/size which makes the brush work a bit more difficult.
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Since you already have them you were in one of the first batches I did (the initial batches were not large.)
(Yes I am responding while on vacation.)
I caught the shield issue after some orders went out. In hindsight I should have had a separate shield mold done as the figures and the shields need different pressures and speeds to run properly with these figures but that is not always the case. As said above a little green stuff or primer and paint should solve the issue plus there will be glue or putty behind that spot as well when attached to the hand. I am not sure how significant the mold line you are speaking of is as anything of significance I try to weed out but it could have slipped by me. Send me a pic to brigadegames AT yahoo DOT com as I would like to see where the issue is.
B/r
Lon
I have to put my foot in my mouth.
I started working on preparing the minis, and found a rather serious flaw: All three of the scutums have been poorly cast and have holes in the center plate...seen here. I'll be emailing Brigade Games, but these shouldn't be shipping like this (and I'm assuming mine won't be the only ones). One of the mini's bases is also a bit warped (missing metal)...but luckily it's the base and not a more crucial part of the mini.
The sculpts are quite excellent...though I have run into two molds lines. Fortunately I hate using metal shields and I have a box of plastic Roman legionaires on the way, and I'll be using their shields, but they need to fix these stat. I realize it's an easy fix for a common gamer or builder, but it's a flaw for sure.
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The mold lines were not "significant" or indicative of a major mold shift. Very minor, just required some scraping/etc. The shields were the only "bad" part of the stuff. Glad it's been rectified.
If that's the case, they get my full seal of approval. :)
(pics later tonight/tomorrow morning of the finished minis)
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Love the addition of the Crupellarius and Scissor! Seeing as more than 1 player will likely want some of these in the campaign I'm planning, and I've only got 1 each of the Crusader minis, I was going to have to convert from some Roman soldiers. I may still do that for one of each, but I'll be adding these poses to save myself a little time and effort. Great job!
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Some comparison pictures added to the House of Oscarus thread...will have more late tomorrow morning (I work night shift and do my painting in the middle of the night...) lol
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Progress has slowed on these and other projects due to the seven week early birth of my baby daughter Lily. Both mother and Lily have had to stay in hospital for over two weeks due to a rather tricky birth. I'm awaiting the masters of the first batch which I will base the next set of figures on.
All the best
Paul Hicks
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Progress has slowed on these and other projects due to the seven week early birth of my baby daughter Lily. Both mother and Lily have had to stay in hospital for over two weeks due to a rather tricky birth. I'm awaiting the masters of the first batch which I will base the next set of figures on.
Congrats and best wishes for your wife and daughter.
The Provocator's pose is particularly brilliant, along with the trainer. Very nice. :-*
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Congrats, Paul and al the best to you and your family!
Like the sculpts a lot, the trainer is a must-have figure :-*
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Congratulations!
Really like how these miniatures are turning out. Looking forward to more in the future.
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Paul congrats on the kid! My sister had a kid two weeks ago...then my sister in law had a kid yesterday. Lots of babies goin' on! I'm ready to order my next set (or two) of gladiators whenever you get them out! Lookin' good.
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Paul, congrats! Glad to hear everyone is headed home!
Itching to get these new minis! Went to Brigade yesterday to pop them in the cart, and they weren't available yet... ::)
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That is because they are still at my house:)
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found them on facebook, more new gladiatorial magic by Paul
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:-* wow! Paul how many more!?
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Wow!! These are all great!! :-* :-* :-*
Love the Secutor's "over-shield" stance in particular and the retiarius is a triumph.
I think Paul may have heeded my request for him http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=55827.msg662912#msg662912 :)
Very happy lanista here. :D :D :D
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Wow!! These are all great!! :-* :-* :-*
Very happy lanista here. :D :D :D
Yes, but they are not 40mm ;) lol
Great sculpts. :-*
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Maybe there's a gap in the market there Nick.
Decent 40mm gladiators?... ;)
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Don't need any more gladiators but don't know when I've ever heeded that advice :D
What we really need is a set of spectators - multi pose variants so possibly separate head / torso / lower half tpyes, sitting and standing...................
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Love that Charun figure! The rest are all excellent as well, but he stands out!
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Maybe there's a gap in the market there Nick.
Decent 40mm gladiators?... ;)
The thought had already crossed my mind... ;)
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The thought had already crossed my mind... ;)
Good man. ;)
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:-* :-* lovely stuff.
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Can't wait to order more!
PS: I'm really really glad we're likely to end up with two poses for each gladiator type. This is a huge consideration when doing a small line like Gladiators...as occasionally you'll have two of the same involved on the board, and it's always sad when every single Myrmillo from every gladiator school in Rome is the same pose! lol
Things I hope we see by the end:
Myrmillo (Check)
Thraex (Check)
Secutor (Check)
Retiarius (Check)
Laquearius
Arbelas/Scissor (Check)
Dimachaerus
Crupellarius (Check)
Hoplomachus (Check)
Provocator (Check)
Equites*
*Would be a nice idea since so many games involve rules for fighting animals and they were mostly similarly outfitted, aaaand I don't think I've seen a good one on the market.
Charon (Check)
Coach/Referee (Check)
+Hopefully a handful of spectators, etc.
So as a whole, we're looking pretty damn good I'd say. I'd like to see a Dimachaerus dressed up like Nossov's book, equipped with a helmet, two swords, and a chain mail tunic, more akin to the Arbelas/Scissor, as opposed to the two armored/padded sleeves. Either way I'm pretty excited!
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I'm buying the whole line once it's largely complete. I painted most of the whole School of Gladiators from Foundry, plus most of Crusader's range some time ago. Looks like I'll need to start another ludus altogether to square up with them.
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I just got my set today, and I have mixed feelings overall. The quality of the sculpts is great, but a little on the small side when compared to other ranges, so mixing them with say Crusader gladiators will show one Secutor with a helm about twice the size of the other.... There was not only a good dal of flash, but awful flash on the VERY thinly cast swords, which is the worst to clean. To be honest, a couple of them I'm ready to chuck in the trash....
I wouldnt buy any more from this range, they wont last long in good condition. Sad, the sculpts themselves, if bigger and more robust, would have been PERFECT.
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Sorry to hear that. Mine were very okay on the flash-side, minus the shield issue (poorly cast). How big are Crusader's figures? My BG ones work quite well with the Foundry ones.
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Sorry to hear that. Mine were very okay on the flash-side, minus the shield issue (poorly cast). How big are Crusader's figures? My BG ones work quite well with the Foundry ones.
The shield issue has been resolved and they are casting fine now.
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I just got my set today, and I have mixed feelings overall. The quality of the sculpts is great, but a little on the small side when compared to other ranges, so mixing them with say Crusader gladiators will show one Secutor with a helm about twice the size of the other.... There was not only a good dal of flash, but awful flash on the VERY thinly cast swords, which is the worst to clean. To be honest, a couple of them I'm ready to chuck in the trash....
I wouldnt buy any more from this range, they wont last long in good condition. Sad, the sculpts themselves, if bigger and more robust, would have been PERFECT.
Send a picture of the figures with the flash to me at brigade games AT YAHOO DOT com.
I am not sure how I would have missed it as I would typically just remelt those.
And to be clear this is flash on some of the swords and not vent worms, correct?
Generally if there is some venting on them I will not clean them. Some customers are very particular and don't want me to do that so with swords I generally leave them alone. Most I find file edges of the swords to get the look they want.
As far as the size of the swords you know we manufacturers can not win. Some complain when swords are too thick or oversized and some complain when too thin. I am not sure how these can actually be classified as too thin though. The swords are decently sized but not oversized or thick. They can not be compared with the very thick and oversized swords in some other ranges.
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Cheers mate! I had no idea that someone from Brigade was on this thread :). The shields look fine, no problems there, so that issue was fixed before my stuff arrived. I totally understand about the swords widths, it's why I wasn't going to contact your shop, I figured it's not really your fault or Paul's, just how it was interpreted.... But the sword on Secutor that has it out to his right side, that arrived all bend up and when I tried to straighten it as best as I could, I found a good deal of flash that made the fix even more difficult. I thought to either try a plastic sword repalcement, or just toss the figure. A shame, because of the nice scuplts Paul did.
Give me a day or so and I'll email a photo to your Yahoo.
Cheers!
Send a picture of the figures with the flash to me at brigade games AT YAHOO DOT com.
I am not sure how I would have missed it as I would typically just remelt those.
And to be clear this is flash on some of the swords and not vent worms, correct?
Generally if there is some venting on them I will not clean them. Some customers are very particular and don't want me to do that so with swords I generally leave them alone. Most I find file edges of the swords to get the look they want.
As far as the size of the swords you know we manufacturers can not win. Some complain when swords are too thick or oversized and some complain when too thin. I am not sure how these can actually be classified as too thin though. The swords are decently sized but not oversized or thick. They can not be compared with the very thick and oversized swords in some other ranges.
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How long until these are all out of rather get them all in one hit! 8)
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My thoughts exactly. I'm getting the whole lot of them rather than going piecemeal.
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My thoughts exactly. I'm getting the whole lot of them rather than going piecemeal.
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Excellent line of figures! :-* :-*
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How long until these are all out of rather get them all in one hit! 8)
The next two sets are being molded now. I suspect in 1-2 weeks I will have them.
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The next two sets are being molded now. I suspect in 1-2 weeks I will have them.
That's good news! Thanks for the info.
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Awsome! Just in time for payday 8)
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I took possession of my 5 Brigade Games gladiators a couple of days ago and must say that any casting issues with the first batches have been rectified. Great figures that will add a lot to my personal ludus. :)
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I am anxiously awaiting the next couple of sets - got nothing to paint expect stinkin' cowboys and cattle rustlers!
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Sooooo..... any news? 8)
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Been a couple of weeks now how much longer while ive still got the bug!! lol
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The second and third packs are released now. Just could not get them cast up in time for Fall In a few weeks ago.
And there is a sale ongoing now for a few more days - details on the home page
http://www.brigadegames.com
The store category is Brigadegames/Gladiators
Direct link:
http://www.brigadegames.com/Gladiators_c_483.html
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Is the range complete now,or are there more sculpts to follow?
Thanks, Marc.
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I received sets 2 and 3 as a birthday gift from my father (always nice to have modeler/gamer in the family...) and I'm not overly chuffed with them. I'll clean em up (loads of flash this time unfortunately) and get them primed/painted in the next week or two, but the sculpts definitely leave me a bit cold, particularly after painting the absolutely great Foundry set a few months back.
It's nice to fill in some gaps and I won't "hate" these miniatures but they're not as intriguing as the first set I picked up. I'll get some progress pics up. Luckily these'll be the last of my gladiator minis for some time (have most slots filled) but I'd likely steer clear of any more from this line. Maybe painting them up will change my mind.
I'd post pics but again, way too much flash/cleaning needed. :?