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Title: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Froggy the Great on 08 August 2013, 05:30:39 PM
My googling has been swamped with hits for Amazon.com but no ancient designs - does anyone know of any shield or standard designs attributed to the Amazons?
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on 08 August 2013, 06:14:36 PM
Can't think of something in particular. Sometimes crescent shields are attributed to Amazons, but there seem to be at least as many depictions of them carrying the large hoplite aspis. Apart from that allegedly old-fashioned gear like double-axes or dipylon shields as well as Oriental/Persian fashion (trousers, Phrygian caps ec.) could be associated with Amazons. However, no dedicated symbols as far as I know.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Furt on 08 August 2013, 09:07:09 PM
(http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=30493298)
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Froggy the Great on 08 August 2013, 10:12:07 PM
...
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Furt on 08 August 2013, 10:31:41 PM
Well I thought it was funny.  :(
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: FramFramson on 09 August 2013, 05:47:21 AM
Maybe make a list of known shield designs for classical Greek nations and then see if there's an Amazonian emblem or design that would correspond thematically?

Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on 09 August 2013, 12:58:31 PM
Hosseys?
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Froggy the Great on 09 August 2013, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: Furt on 08 August 2013, 10:31:41 PM
Well I thought it was funny.  :(
No no, it was...
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on 09 August 2013, 03:36:16 PM
I would use the Little Big Men Carthaginian (or were they Eutruscan) designs with horses and similar on them. Or wait a year and use the Crocodile Games shields from their Amazon range...
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: angstpuppet on 09 August 2013, 04:41:15 PM
Or the Croc Games Trojans shields also have lots of nice horses on them and there is that whole allies in the Trojan war thing to make the tie in seem more palatable.  Link below. 

https://www.crocodilegames.com/forum/msgView.cfm?postID=6094&boardID=11
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: area23 on 09 August 2013, 08:10:59 PM
I'd go for Scyths, Thracians or Carthage.
Crusader Miniatures has embossed Carthage shield packs.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Vern on 09 August 2013, 09:36:41 PM
If you search for Amazonomachy (with say, art or sarcophagus) you'll probably get more fruitful results and less corporate shopping giant hits ;)

Personally, I like the idea of a horse motive.

There also this, from a 2nd Century Roman sarcophagus (in the Kütahya Museum of Archaeology, Turkey), which looks interesting

(http://eenusa.smugmug.com/Europe/Turkey-2012/K%C3%BCtahya/i-6RjvxjQ/0/L/2012-10-11f-003-9369-L.jpg)
(http://eenusa.smugmug.com/Europe/Turkey-2012/K%C3%BCtahya/i-Jtv5PQf/0/L/2012-10-11f-002-9365-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on 09 August 2013, 10:48:08 PM
http://www.littlebigmenstudios.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2149&osCsid=a5096f203bc5f4aab3ee6c24b1c4aa71

http://www.littlebigmenstudios.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_21_151&products_id=1981&osCsid=a5096f203bc5f4aab3ee6c24b1c4aa71

http://www.littlebigmenstudios.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_26_32&products_id=1344&osCsid=a5096f203bc5f4aab3ee6c24b1c4aa71

http://www.littlebigmenstudios.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_186_187&products_id=2085&osCsid=a5096f203bc5f4aab3ee6c24b1c4aa71

The shield shapes perhaps don't fit however....
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: HerbyF on 09 August 2013, 11:24:50 PM
I would think that horses would be the most common. Then maybe owls, and spears and bows.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Blackwolf on 11 August 2013, 07:38:46 AM
Froggy have a look at Sarmatian imagery.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: Froggy the Great on 11 August 2013, 01:39:07 PM
Thanks all!  I've decided to go with a crescent-moon motif, after Artemis and Atalanta.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: HerbyF on 12 August 2013, 06:45:53 PM
Froggy there are some common variations to the moon motif, the crescent moons to either side of a full moon or two crescent moons back to back supporting a full moon.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: mr ed on 14 August 2013, 02:11:13 PM
Here's what the Greeks gave them...


weird wing shape things, a tripod and something else (a lyre?) in this rumble with Heracles

(http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/herc_amazon3.jpg)

Cowskin Dipylon

(http://www.solvinglight.com/titles/athenakain/images/ak04.jpg)

Possible checked pattern  - probably supposed to be wicker

(http://www.theoi.com/image/K4.4Hera.jpg)

Spots (Moons?)

(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/Hpix/1991.01.0259.jpeg)

(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/Hpix/1991.08.0474.jpeg)

lion and Triskelion

(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/Hpix/1990.05.0527.jpeg)

Bull's head

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120329202953/mythicalmania/images/4/48/Hercules_and_hippolyte.jpg)

Snakes

(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/Hpix/1991.01.0895.jpeg)

(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~memcinto/archery/images/LXXXIII_83_3.jpg)

(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~memcinto/archery/images/LXXX_80_5a.jpg)

Centaur

(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/Hpix/1990.05.0533.jpeg)

Wreath

(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~memcinto/archery/images/LXXXV_85_a.jpg)
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: northtroll on 14 August 2013, 02:48:25 PM
Snakes, moons, horses are all fine. Why not a a labrys? That's a double headed axe for those who are unfamiliar with it. Pretty much any neo-pagan iconography would work in a pinch.
Title: Re: Amazon shield designs/standards
Post by: mr ed on 14 August 2013, 03:52:21 PM
I can't think of any Greek depictions of a crescent moon at all - only the odd full moon.