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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Sangennaru on 12 September 2013, 12:25:39 PM
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Ok, i admit i regret not having taken enough pictures of the process.
Basically, i'm trying to reproduce a timbered house effect with a method that tries to imitate the original method himself.
I know that there are several people here that made very nice timbered houses (Andym, Elladan, Tabletop World), and i just wanted to try this very my own way.
I did a quite big timbered house for an Italian company a few ago, but it's not possible to find any picture of it, so, i'll just directly post a picture of what i've done last evening:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2mov6rs.jpg)
I basically created the wooden skeleton, and then i poured the plaster in the holes. that's the nearest method to the original one i could figure out, since positioning each brick individually was - obviously - out of question.
After a few detailings, i realized that the base was too high, so i added the floor structures in the middle of the panel. I know, that's unrealistic, but it's just a test! ^^
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2e5jotw.jpg)
And now something i'm very proud of: the nails, have a square base, and the head is not flat, not round!
I'm not sure that the pic explains what i mean...
(http://i44.tinypic.com/10z1r2p.jpg)
I'm now trying to make something bigger. Maybe a whole first floor, and maybe i will find some company interested in having a complete piece!
Cheers
Jack
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:oThat looks great - bookmarked!
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Sengennaru, You little ripper! That's one hot looking half timbered wall. How do you manage to see such small detail, yet alone create it! My fat fingers cannot work with things that small. I unfortunatly must be related to Jerremy Clarkson, as I am a ham fisted oaf. ;)
How did you do the bricks? Are they inscribed into a balsa bottom of the cast?
Cheers
Matt
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Sengennaru, You little ripper! That's one hot looking half timbered wall. How do you manage to see such small detail, yet alone create it! My fat fingers cannot work with things that small. I unfortunatly must be related to Jerremy Clarkson, as I am a ham fisted oaf. ;)
How did you do the bricks? Are they inscribed into a balsa bottom of the cast?
Cheers
Matt
Thanks guys! The bricks are inscribed in the plaster pour, while it's hardened yet not completely dried. I used a couple of tools for that purpose, i talk about them in the tutorials on my website!
soon i'll make an article about this technique, but since my "soon" can mean 6 months... well, keep on with this thread, for the moment :D
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This evening i worked quite a lot. I've just did the wood work, and i intend to finish that part before working with plaster and plastic.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/f2vqlt.jpg)
Guess what it will be? Ok, the horses are a big hint.
Anyway, that's pretty exactely 9 x 12 cm, tipical Ainsty (and others) size, and will have a timbered roof as well.
cheers,
Jack
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Lovely work. The details are amazing :-* :-* :-*
How long does it take to scribe the bricks?
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Lookin' good...I love the cowboys inside... lol
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Excellent!! :-* :-* I love the texture your getting!!
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those nails are excellent, look just like the real thing :D
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Thanks!
and actually, those are ECW cavalry, not cowboys! XD
Lovely work. The details are amazing :-* :-* :-*
How long does it take to scribe the bricks?
Not that much, i made myself a few tools to speed up the work. Some i copied from Emmanuel Nouaillier, some are my own ideas. ^^
not much progress at the moment anyway. i had to do some real life commission in this days.
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Wow. The level of detail is amazing. I'd definately love to paint up such a lovely structure.
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How did you do the bricks? Are they inscribed into a balsa bottom of the cast?
That was what I wanted to ask. Just gorgeous stuff.
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Really nice rock work. Time to make a couple of molds and get to casting... :)
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Wow. The level of detail is amazing. I'd definately love to paint up such a lovely structure.
it would be an honor for me to appear in your great blog, cianty! ^_^
That was what I wanted to ask. Just gorgeous stuff.
Well, actually there's no cast. i just poured the plaster in the gaps, and started working with that. works pretty well! ^_^
Really nice rock work. Time to make a couple of molds and get to casting... :)
First i'll make the complete project. If it is for my personal use, i'll make some monovalve molding: it is much cheaper and errorless, but there are no details on the inner side.
If i will find some company interested - as i hope - i will have the masters molded on both sides! or with deeper molds on a thin side!
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a small update here: i started working on one of the four walls, some brickwork. I am not sure that the bricks are enough sharp, they look roundish and that's not what i wanted.
what are your thoughts about the look of the bricks?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2s1x3e1.jpg)
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I find your work very good, I think that the bricks rounded give a idea of rougth construction. I like it :)
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The bricks look great, have an old world look to them, which I really like. Seem to be more in keeping with a half timber house/building, than the modern take on a Tudor style house which for me with the 'straight' modern bricks make the whole thing look false.
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They look pretty good to me.
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I'm glad you like the bricks! I'll try to experiment a little more, though.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2dshbpd.jpg)
Finished one of the sides. I've added a cut rope and a few nails. I made them a little chunkier than the previous one, starting with a bigger styrene rod.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/vpjlo1.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/4qm0ox.jpg)
That's it for today! Tomorrow i'll go on, probably.
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Looks great, Jack :-*
Keep it coming
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Looking good! Should have mentioned last time the nails are superb.
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Really really cool. I hope to see a proper house done this way some time.
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Thanks again! Sadly, no updates tonight. i did make progresses, but no completed pieces. tomorrow, maybe.
Really really cool. I hope to see a proper house done this way some time.
do you mean a two storey house with all ddecorations? I'd like to, really. Now i'll fiinis the stables, and we will see who will be interested. i'd much rather prefer to sell the master, casting is booooring!
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Yes, exactly. A two- or three-story house. Doesn't have to be a huge Coaching Inn, something like maybe:
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.de/2012/10/town-house-from-stronghold-terrain.html
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Yes, exactly. A two- or three-story house. Doesn't have to be a huge Coaching Inn, something like maybe:
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.de/2012/10/town-house-from-stronghold-terrain.html
Eh!
The point is: the Stronghold Terrain are great sculptors, but they also have the "infrastructure" to produce and sell the pieces on they own.
All depends on who i will find interested in the stable, and eventually in a bigger building. Resina Planet has put an eye on this (and they have some really nice scenery there! I don't know if you have them already!), but i want to finish it before talking about business with anyhow!
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A little evening update: the second side is now done. A third one is almost complete, but not ready for photoshooting!
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2mfduf6.jpg)
I glued the two parts together with a few drops of PVA. i will separate them again when needed.
Cheers
Jack
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This is looking better and better! Cool!
Yes, I do have the mansion:
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.de/2009/07/burgomeisters-mansion-pt-1-review.html
I was not too happy with it and wouldn't buy from Resina again. Shipping from Spain was too expensive and the resin quality was also problematic. But that's just my experience.
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This is looking better and better! Cool!
Yes, I do have the mansion:
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.de/2009/07/burgomeisters-mansion-pt-1-review.html
I was not too happy with it and wouldn't buy from Resina again. Shipping from Spain was too expensive and the resin quality was also problematic. But that's just my experience.
I have read your interesting article. I think it is the kind of feedback that Oscar needs to run his company! I will link it to him!
At the moment i've been working with him since a while, even though only minor sculpts we've done together, and yet no one has seen the light. But i can assure he puts a great passion in that, and any feedback will be useful! ^^
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2jcg8kg.jpg)
aaanyway, here's the third side. Didn't work much today on this, i have been investing my time in another project. It's quite a new technique i'm studying, top secret for now. :)
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You tease!
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Awww... i got a little stuck with my projects in this days. I'm finishing the fourth side of the building, and then i'll have to think of the interiors, and the roof.
Still unconvinced on whether make a base or not...
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well, finally i made the four walls. now tonight and tomorrow i'll work on the interiors and the roofs. I still don't know what to do: monovalve molds for my personal castings or bivalve for production?
(http://i43.tinypic.com/332tthu.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2e0iiax.jpg)
with the roof on it, it will look complete, but some more detailing inside is needed!
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:-* another beauty jack!
Go mono for your own purposes. Then discuss a Poduction model with the company, and create a even more fantastic building, for bivalve. The cold logic of someone who hasn't poured in hours into a very nice looking piece. ;)
Cheers
Matt.
Ps I still need t do your trebs, I am at the greenstuff/pinning phase. Can I use a electric normal drill to drill into the resin?
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Im watching with interest :)
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Go mono for your own purposes. Then discuss a Poduction model with the company, and create a even more fantastic building, for bivalve. The cold logic of someone who hasn't poured in hours into a very nice looking piece. ;)
My point is: if i cast mono, i will have to sand the other side, removing any bump and detail. If i go bivalve, i've to sculpt the insides as well. It might be a preferable choice (maybe a monovalve from the bottom, but it requires a lot of silicon), but not for myself!
So... i will now work on the other parts, but before finishing those i have to find a sponsor! ^^"
Now... let's concentrate on the roof! ^_^
Ps I still need t do your trebs, I am at the greenstuff/pinning phase. Can I use a electric normal drill to drill into the resin?
Yep, it should do the job! I still have to finish painting mine, it's there looking at me since a year!
Im watching with interest :)
good to know! :) keep looking ^_^
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AAAw, I'm so bad, double-posting all the time!
However, this is an update, quite different from the answers of before.
I started the roof, and i need suggestions. The structure is solid and i like it, but... somehow seems a little too chunky for a roof!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/308l7p5.jpg)
Anyway, the basic idea is simple: since bivalve molds are evil, i'd rather prefer to have two mono valve: one of the wooden canvas below the tiles, and one of the tile roof itself, with holes and everything: details, some sights of the interiors, and the opportunity to swap the tiles, saving the canvas below!
the overall look of the canvas is something like this:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/fa7gpv.jpg)
again, any suggestion is much appreciated!
EDIT: a better view of the roof:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/izq1oi.jpg)
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I think that the roof is a bit chunky too. Possibly go with thinner more separated slats and support beams. The rest of the build is magnificent. Just Like I would expect from you!
Snitchy sends.
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I think that the roof is a bit chunky too. Possibly go with thinner more separated slats and support beams. The rest of the build is magnificent. Just Like I would expect from you!
Snitchy sends.
I am doing a new roof, but some real life time consuming issues delayed my work. I can make it thinner, why not. :)
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A very nice build indeed :-* :-*
Considering the amount of work gone into the front elevations it would be a shame to have an undetailed interior :?
cheers
James
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Hi everyone! some time passed and i did some progresses, which i'm not going to show now. I'll just post some updates about the test piece i did at the very beginning, i wanted to see how it will hold the molding stress.
The first cast is in my hands right now, and i'm quite pleased of the result:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/k3kvn8.jpg)
See the details: now they are all in the same material, and they look much more homogeneous.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/14buyqv.jpg)
Sadly, the master is now completely broken. It's not a problem, since the first cast might work as master, but it's something you must have in mind before working with this materials.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2q313b9.jpg)
Any impression is welcome =)
Cheers
Jack
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The casting looks great! The detail is superb!
Still, seeing the original broken like this is kinda heartbreaking.
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Looks great
And you have made a ruined stable as well, Great work :D
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The casting looks great! The detail is superb!
Still, seeing the original broken like this is kinda heartbreaking.
Thanks Cianty!
After some years of molding, you loose any mercy. It's a tough job, not for faint of heart.
Looks great
And you have made a ruined stable as well, Great work :D
That's an idea... lol
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That casting looks very, very good, but as cianty said it is sad to see the original in that bust up state. I'm really looking forward to seeing the complete stable all painted up.
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Will you make one other wall section that can be combined with this one?
So that 2x this and 2x the other one would make a complete floor of a house?
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Will you make one other wall section that can be combined with this one?
So that 2x this and 2x the other one would make a complete floor of a house?
Actually, this was just a test. It didn't take me that much to sculpt, so i think, after i finish the stable, i could do a building. But in my philosophy i would rather avoid any "doubles" in a model. I know it's slower, but that's my rule of the thumb :)
For the stable, i'm working slowly because i've quite some real life jobs now, besides, finding someone interested in that model would boost me up! ^^
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I'm still trying to get over the quality of that. It's just superb.
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Inspiring stuff. I've just spent an amusing hour reading Lazy's blog which is full of more of this sort of modelling goodness.
One to watch.
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Excellent work so far!
:-*
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Thanks fellas! I've just finished some WIP painting of this piece. I'm really NOT satisfied of the result in flash, but in photos it looks better (that's why i still use this technique, but really, in flash it's just crappy).
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2i74rc5.jpg)
Clearly, the squared nails are still missing, i've to paint them in metal, and than ink the edges. :)
I definitely have to find another way to paint it, because i don't want to paint a whole building with this technique.
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That looks bloody good, the brickwork is perfect.
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Oooh! I'd like to paint up one too. :P
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Oooh! I'd like to paint up one too. :P
PM'd
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Hi,
very well done so far. The details are crisp, both on the Master and the cast. Can't wait to see more.
For my personal taste the painting could be improved a lot by weathering - especially the wooden parts. Have you ever tried dry pigments? Since I use them I could achieve more realistic effect in less time. I would recommend the set from NOCH with 8 very useful and long lasting pigments.
(http://www.elladan.de/052%20Oil%20drums%20and%20other%20rusty%20pieces/61165-noc.jpg)
Here are two pictures of a small piece of rubble before and after I treated them with pigments.
Before: painted in main colors with only one wash or drybrush
(http://www.elladan.de/023%20bombed%20out%20building%201/DSCN2219small.jpg)
After: added different pigments in about 3-4 minutes
(http://www.elladan.de/023%20bombed%20out%20building%201/DSCN2221small.jpg)
Ciao
Elmar
http://www.elladan.de/ (http://www.elladan.de/)
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I think that your work is great.
I still wordering how you did nails... I wish learn to do it lol!
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I think that your work is great.
I still wordering how you did nails... I wish learn to do it lol!
thanks for that, i have the photos for the process! I just have to write the article, i think! :)
Thanks Elladan for the tip, however those painted piece was made 90% with pigments already! ^^
however, not much i've done for this project lately, but somedayi will complete the roof and the insides! ^^