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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: Svennn on 22 September 2013, 06:26:05 PM
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Posted on Frothers, an upcoming crowdfunder
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=45275
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/svennnthedhnut/steampunk001_zps3bad75e1.jpg) (http://s176.photobucket.com/user/svennnthedhnut/media/steampunk001_zps3bad75e1.jpg.html)
I may just break my KS imbargo for some of these, especially if he does do civvies as mentioned
Svennn
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:-* Very nice, think I'll be backing it. I agree with Gi6ers on Frothers though, the shoulder pads need some work
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I am certainly having some of this.
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Thanks for the tip-off, Svennn!
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I am certainly having some of this.
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Thanks for the tip-off, Svennn!
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Well exactly. My Morlock Allied Native Infantry Corps deffo needs some 'advisors'/specialists/general-purpose crazy dudes to hang around with. 11 dwarves in pith-helmets just isn't enough!
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I do believe someone did a steampunk dwarf list for IHMN called 'Dweorg'. Maybe he was channelling Bob Olley?
Figures are bloody gorgeous mind. I wish Bob would do some taller ones, I just love his sculpting style.
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I do believe someone did a steampunk dwarf list for IHMN called 'Dweorg'...
Oh, I'd be v. interested in that. Do you know if it's around somewhere?
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I do believe someone did a steampunk dwarf list for IHMN called 'Dweorg'. Maybe he was channelling Bob Olley?
Figures are bloody gorgeous mind. I wish Bob would do some taller ones, I just love his sculpting style.
I know I should, for my budget's sake, just assume they are "too tall." Any idea how tall (top of head w/o hat) this might be in final form?
Gracias,
Glenn
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Oh, crickies, I'll have to resurrect my old covert dwarven project?
If not too big (my old stuff wouldst be 'dwarfed' by too severe scale creep), these have the style to get caught between my red-coated, pith-helmeted 'regular' Brit stunties, and the psuedo-Germans of Death in the Dark.
Oh, the nefarious plots those dastardly British are attempting in the wilds of central Europe!
Doug
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I've always been a fan of Bob Olley's Dwarves, since about a million years ago. And these sculpts are lovely...
BUT...
Why shoulder pads?
Is the Space Marine/GW/40K virus so virulent that it inevitably infects every aspect of science-fiction wargaming, with no exceptions?
Come on, Bob! Some of us are trying hard to break the mould here! How far back do we have to time-travel to find something new?
Or is it just that he doesn't do shoulders?
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You know, I saw, I objected (in my mind), and dismissed same. So tired of fighting them, I just went into denial. Kinda creepy.
Anyway, I thought hands were the tricky part. "Or is it just that he doesn't do shoulders?" REALLY creepy!
Doug
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I know, Doug...
It just annoys me when I see VSF turning into yet another GW-esque spin-off. And these sculpts are far from being the only culprits.
Don't get me wrong. I have friends at GW. But we have seen this hobby of ours bloom and blossom since the internet and online purchasing and so on... There are so many other options, so many possibilities, and simply being a good sculptor (and Mr. Olley is good) is not justification for jumping on the VSF bandwagon with a fistful of green stuff and a lack of originality.
Let GW do GW. The rest of us can strive to do something that we haven't all seen a thousand times over for the last twenty-something years.
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I know, Doug...
It just annoys me when I see VSF turning into yet another GW-esque spin-off. And these sculpts are far from being the only culprits.
Don't get me wrong. I have friends at GW. But we have seen this hobby of ours bloom and blossom since the internet and online purchasing and so on... There are so many other options, so many possibilities, and simply being a good sculptor (and Mr. Olley is good) is not justification for jumping on the VSF bandwagon with a fistful of green stuff and a lack of originality.
Let GW do GW. The rest of us can strive to do something that we haven't all seen a thousand times over for the last twenty-something years.
Er, what? Victorian styled models is games workshop? Or Bob making VSF styled scrunts is unoriginal? I dont understand. If you could point me to the other vsf dawarves that are flooding the market then maybe I could see your point. BUt Bob makes MANY scrunts with MANY themes. This is just the latest.
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Er, what? Victorian styled models is games workshop? Or Bob making VSF styled scrunts is unoriginal? I dont understand. If you could point me to the other vsf dawarves that are flooding the market then maybe I could see your point. BUt Bob makes MANY scrunts with MANY themes. This is just the latest.
And the fucking shoulder pads are still stupid!
Not do I often or lightly use the F-word but we are not talking American Football or medieval pauldrons. This is Victorian SCIENCE Fiction - and I don't think it is very Victorian or very Science Fiction.
Graciasa,
Glenn
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The shoulderpads are probably a design choice to hide the shoulder joints.
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Since the arms look to be armored it makes sense to have pauldrons of some sort in the shoulders. Since it also has the benefit of hiding the shoulder seams as white knight pointed out, it all makes total sense.
I like these.
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Since the arms look to be armored it makes sense to have pauldrons of some sort in the shoulders. Since it also has the benefit of hiding the shoulder seams as white knight pointed out, it all makes total sense.
I like these.
i'm not sure about the armoured arms ... on 2 figs at least
but i'm sure about the hiding ... GW virus :?
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They're all wearing heavy leather backed gloves or gauntlets. I imagine that it's armored arm sets that gets buckled on over their dusters.
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Looking good.
Tony
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Who said anything about GW doing VSF dwarves? I was merely stating that VSF shouldn't look so overtly 40K-ish. The sculpts are lovely, but the shoulder pads are a mistake.
And surely a sculptor as experienced as Mr Olley should be able to hide shoulder joins without resorting to gigantic armoured shoulders.
I'm tempted to buy these, but will be carving off the pads and resculpting the shoulders.
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And surely a sculptor as experienced as Mr Olley should be able to hide shoulder joins without resorting to gigantic armoured shoulders.
Having some experience with getting sculptors to do multipart modular figures, I'll point out that while it's not very difficult to design some arms to fit one one specific body in one specific position without having to resort to such techniques, it becomes a wholly different story when you need to be able to add arms in different positions and swap them around from one body to another. At that point, it becomes nearly impossible to form a subtle attachment that will look good in all the combinations and positions.
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Granted, White Knight.
However, I have yet to see multi-part Celts, Romans, British Line Infantry, Mahdists, etc etc with huge shoulder pads because 'it's tricky'...
I get that I probably have more of a problem with this than many readers out there. Just making a point.
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Yes, and we've seen GW's humans go back from the fully modular sets, which looked like action figures, to all the bodies in the box holding the almost exact same pose, see empire statetroopers and crossbows.
In addition, those figures you mention are injection moulded plastic though and the metal moulds allows, in principle, for a tight fit. Metal figures are made from rubber moulds, subject to shrinkage, which will affect the separate parts differently, based on the orientation the part has to take in the mould to cast well. This results in the different parts being warped in different planes and just not having the identical shape and size from the original green, leading to noticeable joining points, which you need to be able to cover up somehow or they will become too obvious.
No problem with you making a valid point, just chipping in with some things I picked up through experience with this sort of thing.
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They are beautiful, and if you want to see the non-shoulderpadded civilians, maybe get behind this one so Bob can continue going from strength to strength and us bobbies, and chimney sweeps, and thieves, and vicars, and all the other people who would populate a Victorian (dwarf) street scene.
I drool over these and Bob's photos at Dispatches from the Rim:
http://bit.ly/17bfscI
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I'm another for not liking the shoulders, there are other options for hiding the seam as well. Why not have some vsf tubing going from a backpack reaching over the shoulder. Backpack straps are another option that hide seams. Some could be wearing waistcoats, that would hide the join also. Plenty of options that fit the theme of vsf other than shoulder pads.
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Didn't the Victorians have a contraption for hiding the shoulder-joint called an epaulet? When were epaulets invented?
:-I Would those do instead of shoulder pads?
I suppose what is sculpted in those greens could be painted as shiny brass or well-worn leather.
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epaulets where in use during franco-prussian war
during maximilian expedition in mexico
during crimean war
during napoleonic wars
and even in mid-XVIII century by officers , at least in France ...
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If I helped divert the discussion of the fundraiser I apologize.
Now, I hope it does well (I am sure it will do well) but for unrelated reasons I cannot participate.
For what they are , they are fine work as always from Mr. Olley (speling?)
Gracias,
Glenn
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It's live now, if only I hada reason to buy them....
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It's live now, if only I hada reason to buy them....
Bah ... who needs a reason? :D
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Shoulderpad controversies aside the scrunt thugs should be gorgeous if they match up with the concept art. Me likey.
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Having some experience with getting sculptors to do multipart modular figures, I'll point out that while it's not very difficult to design some arms to fit one one specific body in one specific position without having to resort to such techniques, it becomes a wholly different story when you need to be able to add arms in different positions and swap them around from one body to another. At that point, it becomes nearly impossible to form a subtle attachment that will look good in all the combinations and positions.
Hi and thanks for all your comments, I've enjoyed reading the lively debate on the shoulder armour issue. Of course I understand why some people are fed up with the shoulder armour perhaps due to extensive use by GW. I can also understand why some don't see it going with a Victorian theme. White Knight explained my reasons for using them very well, and I'd like to add a bit extra to what he said. If I had not used shoulder armour to conceal I would have needed to go for either a flush fit or a peg joint for separate arms, I choose not to do this as all you get is a kind of robotic up and down movement, using that kind of method means the details such as the crease structures don't line up too well. So what I have done is made a kind of rounded shoulder point that fits into the recess of the shoulder armour which allows for a more flexible positioning for the arm not just straight up and down. One last point regards the shoulder armour they are a little sod to produce, so it wasn't a easy option to sculpt just a useful one in my opinion.
Anyway enough of shoulder armour, and as you can see on the Victorian Cockfight and Thugs Drawings these miniatures have no shoulder armour, but therefore will have to be fixed and integral to the body.
One thing that's pleased me a lot is the interest in the Victorian civilians and because of this I am now encouraged, to go on and produce many more victorian models, its such an interesting period with so much potential. Just to give you an idea of what I'm thinking of making in the future is a Sherlock Holmes theme set, which will include of course Holmes, Watson, Lastrade and London Bobbies. To accompany these I want to make some Pimps, Ladies of the Night, More Thugs and Villians, Orc and Gobtorians, and last but not least Jack the Ripper. Of course I've got lots of other victorian & steampunk ideas whizzing about my head, but I won't go on, as I've got a Kickstarter to run ;)
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I like the sounds of all that extra victorian dwarf goodness you have planned. Really hope this project does well so that you may produce more for the range.
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I like'em Bob. But I really liked your pulpy SF scrunts. Those were great.
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I like'em Bob. But I really liked your pulpy SF scrunts. Those were great.
Thanks they were great fun to make, if only Kickstarter had been around then
BTW I haven't seen a link here to the kickstarter, if you haven't seen it yet there are a lot more pictures on there of the various sets and drawings of the victorian civies, so here's the link
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/433105762/olleys-armies-steampunk-and-victorian-scrunts-aka (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/433105762/olleys-armies-steampunk-and-victorian-scrunts-aka)
Here's our Kickstarter promotion picture, drawn for us by my son James
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/airshipposterwebsite.jpg)
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Wow, all of the stretch goals are now available! Thanks Bob! Zeplin Stormtroopers will be mine.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/433105762/olleys-armies-steampunk-and-victorian-scrunts-aka/posts/660096
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Hey you beat me too it lol
KICKSTARTER UPDATE -SETS 6, 7 & 8 Now part of the main funding goal!
Hello, as novices to Kickstarter we are learning all the time how best to run one and after reading many of the comments on here and various forums we realised that there are people who would like to pledge but don't because the miniatures they would like to choose are in the Stretchgoal and of course there is a risk that the stretchgoal amount won't be reached and the miniatures stay locked. We really wanted those people who were holding back to feel confident that if they pledged and the funding goal was met, they would be able to choose the miniatures they actually wanted, not discover they were still locked. So we looked at our funding calculations and finances again to see if we could include the sets 6, 7 & 8, we realised that when the Kickstarter ended and the survey was sent out to our backers we would know which sets were in high demand and which sets less so, this is really useful as it means we will know which sets can share a production mould and so save a bit on the expenses. With this revelation we have been able to include the stretchgoal sets 6, 7 & 8 within the main funding goal, hip hip hooray!
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Bob, you are the master of Dwarfs! Yess MORE CIVILIANS for VSF. I loved your ideas and agree with them.
Good luck,
Larry
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Bob,
Please more solid one piece figures!
Larry
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Kickstarter Update, we have just added 3 New sets of scrunts to Olleys Armies Kickstarter, 5 Scrunties, 5 Palace Guards & 5 Riot Squad miniatures. They are included in the main funding goal, giving backers a total of 11 Sets to choose from.
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/set9.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/set10.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/set11.jpg)
Thanks Fieros, I hear you regards the one piece miniatures, it's actually easier and more enjoyable for me to sculpt the miniatures in one piece, but in the past we had lots of requests for having the parts separate because it allows for more variety. Having said that the Victorian Thugs and Cockfight Scrunts will have fewer separate pieces, I think mainly just separate heads.
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We need the ladies of the night set!
To much victorian male dwarfs there 8)
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They are outstanding as ever just wish it was not so close to xmas so I could pledge more :'(
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Hello again, here's some pictures of the steampunk vehicles I am working on as a stretchgoal for the kickstarter. What do you think so far? I will be adding a front wheel to the mobile field gun.
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/workbench/steampunktrackedtank001.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/workbench/steampunktrackedtank002.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/workbench/steampunktrackedvehicle001.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/workbench/steampunktrackedvehicle002.jpg)
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Love those
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One thing that's pleased me a lot is the interest in the Victorian civilians and because of this I am now encouraged, to go on and produce many more victorian models, its such an interesting period with so much potential. Just to give you an idea of what I'm thinking of making in the future is a Sherlock Holmes theme set, which will include of course Holmes, Watson, Lastrade and London Bobbies. To accompany these I want to make some Pimps, Ladies of the Night, More Thugs and Villians, Orc and Gobtorians, and last but not least Jack the Ripper. Of course I've got lots of other victorian & steampunk ideas whizzing about my head, but I won't go on, as I've got a Kickstarter to run ;)
This is what I'm really excited about
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The tanks are lovely.
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Thats truly impressive.
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Guardsmen in full dress would be cool ;) without armor of course.
The pickelhaube heads are great, but please do only one with cigar/ or pipe.
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Hello, I just wanted to thank you for all the support given on this forum for our Kickstarter. With your help so far we have exceeded our funding goal and with no advertising budget available, we have relied heavily on you all spreading the word, so thank you.
We still have just over 5 days to go before the curtain goes down on Friday 6th December, so just to remind you of some of the new add-on tags here's some pictures
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/prussianheadssketch.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/victorianheads001.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/victorianheads002.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/victorianheads003.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/gasmasktagc.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/gasmasktagc.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/pithhelmettag.jpg)
(http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/kickstarter/meleeweaponarms.jpg)
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Mine just arrived :D I managed to break Victoria's crown due to my inept fumbling but they are awesome sculpts.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Flr72Qir-fI/Ux8BZFepi8I/AAAAAAAAFjE/u0skxNLrYf0/s1600/DSC03215.JPG)
A bunch more pics on the blog as usual.
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Hi David, sorry to hear that you broke the Queens crown, when you next order from us, remind us and we will put in a new Queen for you :)
BTW Everyone we now have sets 1 to 5 (steampunk scrunts and Victorian scrunts), and the Steampunk Vehicles available to buy from Olleys Armies website
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My thanks to all who supported this, as well. lol
'Neither do I reap nor do I sow, yet shall I enjoy your bountiful harvest...'
Bob, just wanted to point out someone recently posting, using your work, under 'Edda'. Now THAT'S advertisement!
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=66139.0
Doug
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Will the Queen also become available from the webshop? :)