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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Lord of Jerwood on November 11, 2013, 09:40:52 AM
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Hello people
I'm hopefully starting a small wargames company soon and was wondering if there be any market for some 28mm danes like the pictures below.
(http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/jamie1907/danes/dan_army_090440_1_1863_zps0c4e6f56.jpg) (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/jamie1907/media/danes/dan_army_090440_1_1863_zps0c4e6f56.jpg.html)
(http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/jamie1907/danes/Denmark-1940JanDenmarkPrivateJutlandDivision_zps878d90e7.jpg) (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/jamie1907/media/danes/Denmark-1940JanDenmarkPrivateJutlandDivision_zps878d90e7.jpg.html)
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I'd buy a blister or two. I guess they're fairly niche, but presumably you know that already. :)
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If the quality of the figures is high, they could be interesting for an Early War project (against the Foundry German paratroops?).
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Interesting, not really interested in purchasing them in the near future but would love to see some greens ;)
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Was even a single shot fired from a Danish gun during those few days it took the Germans to over run the country? Sure, the resistance was pretty fierce during the occupation but the uniformed troops seems to have been quite ineffectual.
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According to the Danes did resist the initial stages of the German invasion - apparently they managed to knock out two armoured cars using a 20mm AT gun, but fared less well against tanks. Deal Wargames recently held a display game at Cavalier (see here: http://onelover-ray.blogspot.com/2013/06/broadside-2013-games-nipples.html)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TG26pcg0U9E/UbXBmTkSq2I/AAAAAAAAOc0/SGlCeXiUPO8/s1600/DSCF3382.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tIfuZ7qIc7A/UbgO-uIXoxI/AAAAAAAA3hY/7HADWo17tGs/s1600/Deal+Wargames+Club+%252810%2529.JPG)
While I'm not sure if there's a market for them, a range of 1940 Danes would be more than welcomed!
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Plenty of small scale skirmishes, and would be interested in a squad or two, along with an AT Nimbus.
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Was even a single shot fired from a Danish gun during those few days it took the Germans to over run the country? Sure, the resistance was pretty fierce during the occupation but the uniformed troops seems to have been quite ineffectual.
There were a few, they were more be for a what if, inter-war stuff.
The plan would be to run a Kickstarter (Boo HISS) in the new year. Stretch goal would be heavy weapons, motor bike ETC... To see if they're interested, if not a small range will appear but a lot slower. I've all ready order the first green (Plus some heads) so will show when it's done. :)
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At 4:15 the Germans crossed the border to begin the 'peace occupation' and at 6:00 the goverment decided to surrender.
A lot of Danish army personnel were very frustrated by not getting to show any fighting prowess and later joined the German army in the fight against the communists in Russia partly on these grounds.
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According to the Danes did resist the initial stages of the German invasion - apparently they managed to knock out two armoured cars using a 20mm AT gun, but fared less well against tanks. Deal Wargames recently held a display game at Cavalier (see here: http://onelover-ray.blogspot.com/2013/06/broadside-2013-games-nipples.html)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TG26pcg0U9E/UbXBmTkSq2I/AAAAAAAAOc0/SGlCeXiUPO8/s1600/DSCF3382.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tIfuZ7qIc7A/UbgO-uIXoxI/AAAAAAAA3hY/7HADWo17tGs/s1600/Deal+Wargames+Club+%252810%2529.JPG)
While I'm not sure if there's a market for them, a range of 1940 Danes would be more than welcomed!
What a lovely spread...
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The Danes that did some fighting put up a good show. Early war is always interesting and this is unique.
Depending on who you choose to design the range etc.. I'm interested.
Cheers,
Helen
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This size (25+ mm) is no longer (with two very small exceptions) no longer on my buying list but it should be explored for level of interest IMO.
Gracias,
Glenn
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I would buy some, always interested in new early war figures.
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There always seems to be a lot more interest than purchases with the 'fringe' nationalities of WW2. There's a general dearth in models representing even the smaller nations who were involved in lengthy and sustained fighting (in particular I'm thinking of the Eastern Europeans fighting for the Axis).
I wish you well with it, but I do think you'll need to find some way of increasing the likelihood of them actually being bought in enough numbes to make it viable - perhaps seeing if they can 'double-up' as soldiers of other nations with a few slight alterations.
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I find it strange in the world of wargaming, how gamers are happy to fight endless clashes during the Normandy campaign, which actually didn't last very long before the whole thing swung off into Belgium and beyond. Yet they shy away from having games that represent maybe a struggle against occupation that lasted the matter of well..... weeks, or months.
Maybe it's because some gamers are not happy unless they can field an armada of King Tigers, who knows?
Each time we lay figures on the table we're only representing a few hours of realtime. Would we not be doing the same thing if we fielded a small force of Danes?
I'd be very happy to purchase some Danes, but for the whole venture being a good seller, i'd say think wisely.
Somebody help this crotchety old fool from this pedestal please? lol
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I applaud you for thinking of Danes! But I'd rather buy Norwegians!
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Somebody help this crotchety old fool from this pedestal please? lol
No, you're absolutely right. I for one love the smaller scale, earlier war stuff - pre-Alamein North Africa or Burma mostly - but it seems the big bucks are elsewhere. It's great to fulfil a niche that no-one else has, but you have to be aware it may not be sustainable long term. Often these things haven't been successfully covered previously for a reason.
I applaud you for thinking of Danes! But I'd rather buy Norwegians!
This crops up a lot ... but then someone else yells 'Romanians'! Then 'Greeks'! Then 'Finns' (now covered)! We all have our pet armies we wish someone would make, but it seems we don't always buy them in enough numbers.
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Yay, Danes for WWII - has been a great wish for me for a long time!
"Schneidig sind sie nicht, aber frech, und schießen können sie."
- German Colonel af the invasion
The entire Weserübung campaign is an interesting topic to read about, even by non-Danish or Norwegian people, due to e.g. the later British actions against the occupation (First Commando Raids).
Was even a single shot fired from a Danish gun during those few days it took the Germans to over run the country? Sure, the resistance was pretty fierce during the occupation but the uniformed troops seems to have been quite ineffectual.
HA!, Days?!? Try a few hours. As Thorbjørn wrote, the invasion began about 4 o'clock in the morning. By 6 o'clock it was decided to surrender, but this information did not reach the last Danish forces for two more hours. At 8 o'clock basically all fighting has stopped.
En of the day:
Danish losses: 16 dead including border patrols and ground personnel from Aalborg airfield
German losses: 203/273 dead*, 12 armoured cars, 4 tanks damaged and an unknown number of motorcycles and vehicles.
Things to note:
Weserübung was the first time ever to see airborne/parachute assaults used in action (attack on Aalborg Airfield and Masnedø Fort) - although they went incredibly peacefully, as no shots were fired.
The invasion did not see any great battles, but there were plenty of interesting small skirmishes where small groups of Danish troops ambushed the Germans pushing up Jylland.
To note regarding uniforms:
Almost all Danes involved in fighting wore the long coat during the encounters and most images from the day shows soldiers in these. The long coast uniform will therefore (in my opinion) be the most interesting.
*203 by one source, the CEO of Dansk Industri Syndikat (manufacturer of the Madsen 20mm) was tol 273 by a German officer. No official records exist, as the numbers were erased from the protocols by German high command.
Links of interest:
Weserübung for Flames of War (http://198.106.175.129/v3ew/ewnordan.pdf)
Danish WIKI (http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasionen_af_Danmark_i_1940)
German WIKI (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unternehmen_Weser%C3%BCbung)
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I applaud you for thinking of Danes! But I'd rather buy Norwegians!
Gorgon Studios have started a Norwegian range. Only a couple of packs available so far though.
I'd potentially be interested in Danes.
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It certainly looks like there's some interest, and the kind of niche project ideally suited to Kickstarter :D
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The upside of the whole VBCW thing is that gamers are buying more esoteric figures. I have loads of Czech figures for that very reason.