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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: Elk101 on November 18, 2013, 04:44:27 PM
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Pushed in this direction by circumstances (Dr The Viking's 3 projects at a time limit and Mason's new old west town) I am taking my own old west town from the paper stage to the 'doing something' stage. I've only got a handful of buildings from my ACW project so I really need a few more to get my town going. However, I've been picking up textured wallpaper samples (it's not shoplifting as I asked if it was ok!) and I got some mdf boards and introduced the two. I went with double sided sticky tape as an experiment and it has stuck down quite nicely. I've done 1 600x600mm tile, 1 600x300mm tile and 2 300x300mm tiles before running out of samples. I want a maximum 1200x1200mm table (4'x4'). The somewhat dark photo below shows the texture. I didn't want anything too flat and I want to be able to mix browns and greens as I'm going for a South Dakota setting rather than a Mexican border type setting. This means I can use a lot of my existing green terrain tiles and my rivers and trees, etc. No cacti for me then.
The area (as yet unamed) consists of a main town next to a ford across the river called Hopkirk's Crossing. It was established by John D Hopkirk Senior who managed to convince the railroad to stop there and now it's an important location for local cattle ranchers and for the nearby silver mine (Salvation; I did make sure that there were silver mines locally!). Since Hopkirk Senior died his rotten no-good son JD Hopkirk tries to run the show as well as the local bordello and gambling house. The town is under the protection of Sherrif Wade Tilman, his brother and a few decent deputies. A smaller town, Hospitality, to the south is steadily growing under the influence of cattle baron Boss McQuarrie. The McQuarrie men often run foul of Tilman and Hopkirk's men. The McQuarrie ranch, Mr Randall's Ranch, Old Man Mortimer's Place, Ruin's Road and the local cemetery are a few other key places. Besides the law, Hopkirk's men and the local ranchers, there are a few outlaw gangs in the area, the silver miners (lead by a particularly religious individual) and some renegade Lakota Sioux.
I need a few more figures (I have some Artizan stuff) to make up the planned gangs and I have my eye on some Dixon civilians. I will use Fistful of Lead for the rules.
Cheers!
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Cool background! I'm looking forward to seeing this progress.
HAVE FUN
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Yep, looking froward to seeing the fruits of your labours. ;D
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Good luck with this...I do feel that this might have to be a side project
I have an adobe town, I have a few figures and I could use the rules from this boardgame
stilll have a copy in the shed
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/Gunslinger/Gunslinger_zps6c8d9676.png)
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Looks like a thread to watch :)
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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Cheers guys! I warn you though, this will be the first glacier in the old west as I never get the time to do much hobby stuff (1:2 scale persons put a stop to that!). :D
I need a few more mdf tiles cutting and I need to pick up some more 'samples'. I might just get a roll for future repairs, etc. but it's £8 a roll for the stuff I like.
I have googled some images of Lakota indians looking for individuals in western garb and it looks like I could use some of Artizan's apaches without too much difficulty (I think!).
This is intended to be one of my self contained projects that require no more than about 80 miniatures and with terrain tiles and buildings that I can use in other periods (mainly ACW but also Pulp Alley). This is going to be one of my three projects and I will (as per the Dr The Viking rules) not work on anything else (painting clubs excepted) until one is complete. I can't make up my mind what the other two should be. Maybe I should put another thread together to make me do something!
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Rather than double sided tippy tape, have you considered spray adhesive? Its pretty easy and even, without having 'raised' areas.
Looking forward to more goodness Elk.
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Well, that is certainly some thought-driven background there, mate.
You put me to shame.
I just decided to build/paint some stuff and take it from there.
You have thought it through first and made it all sound plausible.
Looking forward to seeing your progress on this.
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Welcome on board. Be aware that Old West can be very addictive lol.
Cheers,
Za
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Thanks guys. I quite enjoy the planning stage and creating the background, especially since I can do most of it on the train. I don't have much storage space so modularity and multiple usage are critical.
I used spray mount for most of my grass mat tiles but thought I'd give double sided sticky tape as an experiment. As the wallpaper is quite raised itself there isn't a problem with lumps where the tape is. Now I just need a suitable South Dakota set of colours for the boards.
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Courtesy of the Old West Painting Posse the first painted denizen of Hopkirk's Crossing, Herschel Kent, arrives.
He's actually a ranch hand from Elkridge Ranch run by Tom Randall, old friend of JB Hopkirk snr, but no friend of his son. The ranch is on the same side of the river as the town but further east.
There's another 17 cowpokes on the painting table with 30 newly arrived to clean up, base and undercoat.
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Upsheet Creek has a new stationmaster and Hopkirk's Crossing has a vacancy for one. Paul has found a great figure that you wouldn't necessarily think of for the role, but it works wonderfully well. I had been thinking of the Foundry stationmaster but Paul's choice got me thinking, could I use the lighthouse keeper figure I painted for the Pulp Painting Club? He could be just the part? What do you guys think?
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Works for me and I love the shirt on the first chap 8)
cheers
James
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Works for me and I love the shirt on the first chap 8)
cheers
James
Yep, seconded.
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Yep, both are suitable but I think the fella with the lamp is right for OW.
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Yep, both look great to me.
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Thanks! It looks like Old Tom the Pulp lighthouse keeper will also double as Laurence 'Old Tom' Thomas, Old West stationmaster.
There's another Old West thread on the reasons behind Old West being so skirmish based. Part of the appeal, I reckon, is being able to create your own potable histories for the towns you create, filling them with characters and events. Old West is a nice fit for that approach that's also manageable to deliver, even for me (I say this now with 2 painted figures out of about 72!).
I also picked up a small herd of nine longhorns (all they still had) from Irregular Miniatures at Smoggycon (and two crocs for Pulp and gladiator stuff). I totally forgot to buy basing clumps though! The new cowboys and cattle will get cleaned and based up only when I finish painting the current batch.
I still haven't found my colour scheme for the base boards yet. I tried some emulsion testers but they looked a little insipid.
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They both look great, mate.
Herschel Kent must have a mighty fine tailor.
Them theres some right fancy duds!
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I think that figure makes a perfect stationmaster.
Them railroad trains be a runnin' when it gets dark too.
Very clever.
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They both look great, mate.
Herschel Kent must have a mighty fine tailor.
Them theres some right fancy duds!
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I think that figure makes a perfect stationmaster.
Them railroad trains be a runnin' when it gets dark too.
Very clever.
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Cheers mate! Herschel started off as a tardy old guy in scruffy clothes, but I changed my mind and made him 'pree-zentabull'.
I might have to get my own train out of the attic and see what needs to be done to 'wargamify' it. I had thought I might have to base the track, especially to run it over the textured wallpaper. I may regret that approach yet!
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I might have to get my own train out of the attic and see what needs to be done to 'wargamify' it. I had thought I might have to base the track, especially to run it over the textured wallpaper. I may regret that approach yet!
I am going to base mine as I think it will look better that way.
That wont be until next year so maybe we should synchronise watches and do them at the same time in order to compare notes?
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The lighthouse keeper looks just right! :-* :-*
Out very early in the morning, waving on the Flying Mackerel Express upline, while the peasants wait on the side line in their stuffy box cars. (you try being a fish monger in the middle of the west... fresh stock is expensive ;D )
Cheers
Matt
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I took a bit of a chance on an eBay bundle of mdf Old West buildings. I didn't recognise them but it turns out it was a mate of a mate of the seller's with access to a laser cutter. I put an offer in expecting it to be flatly turned down but it wasn't. A few days later a bloody massive box arrived. I was pleasantly surprised. There was a hotel, a sheriff's office, a store, a 2 storey building, 2 single storey buildings, a water tower, 2 double outhouse WCs, 2 single WCs and 2 apparent prototype oversized WCs. The buildings fit 28mm nicely enough though I reckon they are more sized for Malifaux. The footprints of the main buildings are big; the hotel is 260mm x 320mm and takes up an entire board tile. The store and sheriff's building are also big. All can be used for gaming locations internally. I have most of the other buildings already with only a livery stable, undertaker's and perhaps a small shop and/or under construction building still required. I'm thinking of picking these up from 'Products for Wargamers'. I'd planned more but they simply won't fit on the table now! I was going to paint one up before putting a photo up but with the C word approaching I doubt I'll get time. I just thought I'd mention that I am still making some progress as it seems to help me keep at it!
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Hmmm, would definitely like to see pics of the stuff!
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Hmmm, would definitely like to see pics of the stuff!
Me too.
Sounds like a great deal!
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I'll try and take some photos tonight!
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The hotel: run by JB Hopkirk Jnr, this is basically a front for hookers and gambling. Ephraim Doyle, JB's main henchman has a permanent room here.
I'm tempted by either a green with white detail PJ, or maroon with white detail. So many bordello type establishments seem to be red though!
I still haven't decided on a name yet.
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More photos (taken from the eBay listing hence the lack of my figures to show scale).
Sheriff Wade Tillman's office is pretty big with enough cell space to cater for the most restless of towns.
The WCs come in single and double units for those who like to chat.
Robert S McColl's general store pretty much sells everything you need, a problem for the smaller shop owners of the town.
Dr Littlefield's premises is one of the larger town dwellings. He (will eventually) even has a garden.
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Mate, this seems to be such a great start!
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Mate, this seems to be such a great start!
It sure does!
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I particularly like the detailing on the verandah and balcony of the bordello.
I could be tempted by one of those.
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Who makes Old Tom? I have been hunting ranges for some time today but can't find him. :'(
Thanks! It looks like Old Tom the Pulp lighthouse keeper will also double as Laurence 'Old Tom' Thomas, Old West stationmaster.
There's another Old West thread on the reasons behind Old West being so skirmish based. Part of the appeal, I reckon, is being able to create your own potable histories for the towns you create, filling them with characters and events. Old West is a nice fit for that approach that's also manageable to deliver, even for me (I say this now with 2 painted figures out of about 72!).
I also picked up a small herd of nine longhorns (all they still had) from Irregular Miniatures at Smoggycon (and two crocs for Pulp and gladiator stuff). I totally forgot to buy basing clumps though! The new cowboys and cattle will get cleaned and based up only when I finish painting the current batch.
I still haven't found my colour scheme for the base boards yet. I tried some emulsion testers but they looked a little insipid.
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Thanks guys. I thought I'd replied to this but I'd hit 'post' and it had timed out. I'm pretty pleased with them and although they're bigger than I expected I'm now liking the idea of gaming interiors. I've started painting up one of the smaller buildings as Leo Sawyer's barber shop. I'm happy with how it's turning out. I wonder if it could count as a Painting Posse entry? :D
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Who makes Old Tom? I have been hunting ranges for some time today but can't find him. :'(
Hi Poiter, he's an Artizan Thrilling Tales figure:
http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1190
It's a lovely figure to paint. He can be bought on his own or in a pack a slightly reduced Price.
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Ah, thank you, I see an Artizan order coming on. Their U-boat crew look useful for a scenario in the latest TFL Special.
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I dug my toy train out of the attic. This is what I'm intending to use. It's a pretty short train with only one passenger coach but it's largely an aesthetic piece with some scenario links likely. I have O gauge track instead of the plastic stuff it comes with.
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That looks like it will be perfect, mate.
Looking forward to see ing the tinkering and, of course, the end result.
:D
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Not a great photo even though it was taken in daylight! I picked up a couple of aquarium rocks from 'Pets at Home' yesterday as they had a clearance sale on. These were supposed to be £2 each but when I checked the receipt later I was charged £1 each. I only bought two as the upright piece makes them very prominent, but they look good. I also got a large Buddha's head for £8 reduced from £13. It's a popular wargames one.
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Them there rocks be perfect,
Gotta check them out for marself.
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That looks like it will be perfect, mate.
Looking forward to see ing the tinkering and, of course, the end result.
:D
There's a lot to take out of it first. I'd also like to extend the coach ends to take a figure base but this might not look right and it might be a pain to do. Did you prime yours with anything in particular? I was just going to use cheap car body primer.
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Them there rocks be perfect,
Gotta check them out for marself.
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It's a shame they didn't have any decent larger ones. The big ones all looked wrong for the intended purpose (and we're a lot more expensive).
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Nice choo-choo Steve.
I saw a Christmas version at a friends house, and I was shocked to discover how poorly it stuck to the rails. It jumped off at every chance. (A realistic narrow gauge iron horse I guess lol ) how's yours go round the track? I'm considering whether to leave the motor in or not (everyone likes a train set right?)
Dem rocks look right purty.
Cheers
Matt
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Nice choo-choo Steve.
I saw a Christmas version at a friends house, and I was shocked to discover how poorly it stuck to the rails. It jumped off at every chance. (A realistic narrow gauge iron horse I guess lol ) how's yours go round the track? I'm considering whether to leave the motor in or not (everyone likes a train set right?)
Dem rocks look right purty.
Cheers
Matt
Thanks Matt. I'm half tempted to keep it working and surprise players as it suddenly hurtles towards town! I can't make my mind up on colour; black, yellow or red I'm thinking.
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Great rocks! (almost felt the need to say "I'm a doctor not a...")
:D
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My first building is more or less done, other than some internal work. The barbershop of Leo Sawyer, womanizer and gambler is now open for business. The original building is shown below.
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Lovely, adds some nice colour.
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Splendid work. You've made the basic model look great. :)
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Great work, mate.
You have certainly brought it to life.
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The red and white barber poles are a nice touch.
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Thanks guys. I saw the poles on a photo and liked the idea. They're just cocktail sticks with a bead on top. I assumed they would be red and white. I'm pleased with how the tarpaper roof has turned out.
I'm probably going to get on with the other figures next; and of course there is the train!
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Very cool, Steve. Next blam a table, please!!!!!!
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Having hoarded a fair few mdf kits at knockdown prices I am still short of a few key buildings. One of these is a livery stable. Spurred on by the desire to make something myself I've decided to construct my own from foamcore, plasticard ans balsa. Work in progress below.
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That is looking mighty impressive, Steve.
Love it!
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:-* That livery is looking great so far. I imagine it will be the focal point of many gunfights, plenty of cover in the stalls and sniping positions in the hayloft. I look forward to seeing the finished article.
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Gorgeous work! I'm see-sawing over whether to get the 4Ground one or not...I do need a Livery. In fact, depending on what 4Ground releases for Salute I may make one final order and be done with my town! lol
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I got a bit more work done on the livery when I should have been working on the LPL.
The base is pretty weak though, it's just 2mm plasticard.
I still need to make stalls and decide how to finish the floor and roof.
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Ooohhh, yes please. I would love to game with that!
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I could do with rebasing it on some 3mm mdf or something similar. I was thinking tarpaper and timber batons for the roof and maybe just an earthy type floor texture. I'm leaning towards a weathered timber finish but I'm also tempted to give it an earthy red/brown paintjob.
There will be a blacksmith's lean to on the opposite side of the sheds that can be added or removed for gaming. I drew them all up in CAD and dimensioned them to create a quick build diagram (perhaps a little OTT!).
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Looking good. ;D
Go with weathered wood, I think stables should always look weather beaten. I don't know why lol
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I agree with Nick ......
..... Silvery grey for the stables
Great project Steve 8)
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Looking great, mate, perfect for gaming on.
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Go with the dirty stables, much more realistic.
As an added bonus: Mama likes it dirty in the stables too.
:D
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Thanks guys! Weathered wood it is then.
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Mama likes it dirty in the stables too.
:D
You should know ;)
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You should know ;)
Boom, sick buuurn!
Love the stable mate :-* That's a lot of balsa wood :o
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Boom, sick buuurn!
Love the stable mate :-* That's a lot of balsa wood :o
I've been hoarding it for years so it's nice to actually use it.
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I got a bit more work done on the livery when I should have been working on the LPL.
The base is pretty weak though, it's just 2mm plasticard.
I still need to make stalls and decide how to finish the floor and roof.
That's a great piece, I use 1.5mm plywood, which is strong enough. I have a fair stock if want some.
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That's a great piece, I use 1.5mm plywood, which is strong enough. I have a fair stock if want some.
I could be tempted! I will reimburse you :)
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Work on progress of the ramshackle blacksmiths that will be an option as a lean to against the livery.
It still needs a forge and chimney and some more corrugated metal. I kept the roof high to tie in with the livery windows and I had an idea about hanging bits of junk from the inside, but that's unlikely to be practical. There is no interior roof pieces to allow figures to be easily placed.
The livery itself is now rebased on modelling ply (thanks to Deedles!). This looks much better and the livery is much more stable ( ;D).
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Looking good, mate.
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What did you use for the corrugated?
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sick chops! 8)
Is it corrugated cardboard? It looks a little 'larger' than the correct scale styrene sheet, but I use the card and think it's fine. (just peel off the flat backing?)
Cheers
Matt
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Thanks guys. It's Wills plasticard with corrugated texture. It should look ok once it's painted!
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Work on progress of the ramshackle blacksmiths that will be an option as a lean to against the livery.
This spells trouble for the livery... ;) I hope they have the town well nearby :)
Great looking building the whole livery :-*
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I haven't done much on my old west town since the LPL, primarily due to a slipped disc and sciatica. I can't sit for very long so painting has had to wait. I did have an opportunity to salvage some bark though and my small team of minions helped clean it up this afternoon. I'm not entirely sure how I want to use it yet. Some of it will be scatter terrain but I may use other bits to make something more substantial. I certainly have enough for options.
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Argh a bad back - curse of the wargamer :-[
Great rocks tho - sure is a lot of cork!
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Quite the haul mate 8)
You need to make some mesa :D
Lots and lots of mesa :D
cheers
James
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I am with James on this:
That amount of cork deserves to become some type large mesa as well as scatter terrain.
Looking forward to seeing whatever you do with it all, mate.
:D
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Dat's a lotta bark! (does it have bite...?)
Lookin' good Elk.
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That is quite some haul of bark! Even though it hasn't been painted up yet, I can already see the potential it has!
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Right, I hope it's OK to bring this back but I've slowly (yes, very slowly) working away at this. We had a game on Friday night with my partially painted buildings and now complete Old West terrain tiles. I've added a few more figures to my painted gangs and posses including a few Pinkertons. The Pinkertons actually won the four way Fistful of Lead game. They interrupted a shoot out between the Grimes Boys and the O'Driscolls that the sheriff was attempting to stop. Unfortunately for the sheriff and his deputies, trying to stop both gangs at the same time resulted in all his boys getting put out of action first. The Pinkertons took out the remaining outlaws and hauled Billy Grimes off to answer to the railroad company.
I was rather disappointed not to have the buildings painted but all the figures were!
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That's becoming an impressive set up 8)
cheers
James
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That's about half the buildings I have. I'm officially done now I just have to paint everything. I've got 5 gangs painted up.
One thing that did come up again was how deadly and random close combat is. A lot of the guys didn't like it being so, well, terminal. I know this has been raised a number of times before and it's been answered. We were thinking about the wound rolls being changed to half the difference between the rolls rounding down to a minimum of one.
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That's looking good Steve. Quite some collection you've got 8)
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A most impressive array.
That should keep you busy for some time, mate.
:D ;)
Those Pinko's look rather swish too.
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Gotta look away now as you giving me ideas.......