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Miniatures Adventure => Interwar => Topic started by: Florin on December 13, 2013, 01:28:50 PM
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Yesterday we had our 4th game of CoC in the SCW. And this time we also had a camera.
The game was "probe" with the anrcho-syndicalist CNT trying to get at least one team to the other side of the table, where the italo-fascist CTV waited to stop them.
the village of San Puton was quiet...
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1365.jpg)
...which was going to change as the anarchist entered the scene and were detected by the italians.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1383.jpg)
On the left flank, the anarchists attacked and destroyed an italian lmg-team, which was answered by an counter-attack by the italians, throwing grenades and driving the CNT back.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1399.jpg)
So the CNT came now in mass over the right flank and into the cemetary...
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1389.jpg)
... to be stopped there by some more italians.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1393.jpg)
So the attackers swung back to the right flank, where two CNT-teams, who ran into the open field, were shot to pieces by italian lmg and rifle fire and the senior commander now stood exposed to the fire of 10 italians.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1394.jpg)
That's when the anarchist gave up.
A special mention goes to my Bilbao-Armoured Car, which only managed to get onto the table and then made no further move for the remainder of our game. So it just watched the battle and stayed out of trouble. Intelligent if a bit cowardly.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/Situsitu/CIMG1388.jpg)
We really like CoC. Its comlex but rewards tactical thought (wich I had to learn this time around...). And even if it's not made for SCW it's really good for playing it.
Cheers,
Florian
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Looks like a great game - thanks for sharing!
I agree, CoC really punishes you if you let your troops get caught in the open doesn't it?
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I agree, CoC really punishes you if you let your troops get caught in the open doesn't it?
yep. nearly all 20 men of the secion dead in two phases...
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Thanks for posting. Interesting to read about CoC being used for non-WWII games.
Really nice terrain and miniatures, thumbs up!
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Pretty cool, on the TFL forums there are states for AVBCW factions and SCW Spicker. Check it out.
And a pretty cool report at that.
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Nice battlefield. Simple but very nice to look at!
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Fantastic looking action.
Watch out for some special content in the Lardies Xmas special all about the SCW...due out in days.
.....plenty to follow those articles to.
Great to see the CTV in action.
Nice one.
Happy Wanderer
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Very nice and interesting game. But... San Puton? :o
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Well, San Puton, we called it that in our third game. It may even become the center of a campaign, based in the Valle de los Imbecilos... It is not strictly based on historical facts.
My CTV is from the 11. Blackshirt Company "Nero d'Avola", led by Giambattista Piombino (until he underperforms again).
Lots of fun are to be had with Chain of Command, though. Don't get caught in the open, yes, but Flo can sing sad songs about his men being trapped inside a building (where they held a plenarial meeting about the influences of historical materialism on the last harvest). Each phase two of them, manning a window, died in the fire of an italian LMG...
CoC is not Panzer-heavy, which I prefer, with a maximum of one or two armoured vehicles in a game, if they do move or act, though, they give your men on the ground a hard time.
We have to further explore the finer details, laying smoke-screens, blowing things up with dinamiteros or showing the international press the true grimace of the socialist brigades...
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Ah ah I do not know what "San Puton" could mean - yes probably our Spanish friends here can be surprised. :-X
It is what wargamers do to foreign languages. ::)
In pirate games I often play a Spanish ship, that I have called: "San Guacamole de la Constipación". lol
Well, I am also often surprised by some "French" names that English-speaking wargamers can imagine. ;)
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I have to admit I often wonder what other nations do for invented English names, or might it be better had I not asked? :)
My favourite 'foreign' name is San Sombrero which interfaces French and Spanish quite nicely. I am however easily amused. ;)
CoC is not Panzer-heavy, which I prefer, with a maximum of one or two armoured vehicles in a game, if they do move or act, though, they give your men on the ground a hard time.
Oddly enough I have written an article this very evening about the very subject of SCW tanks in CoC. If adopted it should reflect the reality of tanks at the time and make them somewhat more inefficient and vulnerable... but still deadly if you are not careful.
:)
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For those that aren't aware,
The Xmas Lady special is out and has a good deal of Chain of Command, plus plenty of focus on the Spanish Civil War authored by our esteemed administrator!!...don't miss it! :o
Cheers
Happy Wanderer
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Very nice AAR
My copy of CoC has been sent to Santa but i fully intend dusting off my SCW figures and using it for this.
Where does one get the Lardy Xmas special from?
Arlequin - i would be insterested in your thoughts chap on how to tone down tanks for the SCW. I have a Panzer 1 and the Spanish FA1 as well as a Bilbao
Cheers
James
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You can get the Special from the shopping cart right here.
http://toofatlardies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=products_new
Happy W
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Mmm ...
It's only £6 but there's a lot that i can't use. I'll think about it but thanks
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Infamous at last! It's a bumper fun-packed bundle, all for the cost of most wargames magazines!! :D
By the way... if anyone notices an 'off' instead of an 'of' it's HW's fault. ::)
Although to be fair he deserves a medal for putting up with my pedantry, repeatedly mucking document formats up and other assorted idiosyncrasies of mine he's experienced recently.
lol
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Arlequin - i would be insterested in your thoughts chap on how to tone down tanks for the SCW. I have a Panzer 1 and the Soviet BA-10 (or the Spanish equivalent) as well as a Bilbao.
Obviously I can't reprint the article, but essentially it's all about not treating them as WW2 tanks with all their bells and whistles, but as mobile 'weapons teams' trying to multi-task in essence. A bit cryptic, but it will make more sense when you have your rules in hand on Christmas Day... I narrowly avoided an earthy abbreviation-pun there btw.
;)
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Obviously I can't reprint the article, but essentially it's all about not treating them as WW2 tanks with all their bells and whistles, but as mobile 'weapons teams' trying to multi-task in essence. A bit cryptic, but it will make more sense when you have your rules in hand on Christmas Day... I narrowly avoided an earthy abbreviation-pun there btw.
;)
lol
Thanks. I'll probably pick up the Special anyway
[EDIT: infamy infamy (insert Carry-On gag) - you talked me into it. Bought and printed off chap]
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bought it, but haven't had the time to look at it yet.
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Team,
How can i get a copy of the Unofficial SCW lists (for now)? I have Civil Guards, Assaltos, Brigaders, Anarchists and La Legion.
Cheers
James
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Just bought it and it has some lists on it but only had a quick skim over it
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How can i get a copy of the Unofficial SCW lists (for now)? I have Civil Guards, Assaltos, Brigaders, Anarchists and La Legion.
They will be going up on Lard Island News (http://toofatlardies.co.uk/blog/) over the next few weeks.
They are done and they are just being prettied up for presentation. There are no new rules to learn (other than is the case with any army list so far), the 'rule book' is unchanged, but it is not a case of playing WW2 with SCW figures either, so prepare to be challenged!
Así será el beso de la muerte para ellos, as they say in places where they don't speak Spanish very well. ;)
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Excellent - thanks fella
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I have to admit I often wonder what other nations do for invented English names, or might it be better had I not asked? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUi6UEQh00
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OMG... That's so wacky it's totally brilliant. :-*
My eyes wide senseless, golden diesel. Alright yo. o_o
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:o
This mod fights fire with fire when things go off-topic, so unless you want excerpts from Bulgarian Pop-idol, or Cheesy international 1960s TV ads, twead wery wery carefulwy!
Even so, I had to watch it twice...
;)
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So. Very impressed with the Christmas Special and strongly tempted to invest in those lovely new 20mm Minairons SCW figures.
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So. Very impressed with the Christmas Special and strongly tempted to invest in those lovely new 20mm Minairons SCW figures.
Do not give in to the Dark Side! >:D (*)
I know I did......be it in 28mm..
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There is no 'dark side' to SCW gaming. Whatever scale you choose to play it in is good. Although to get the best from it you should play in 28mm, 20mm, 15mm and 10mm, just so you know you're not missing out.
;)
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There is no 'dark side' to SCW gaming
Aaaaaarrgh… the murder of Federico Garcia Lorca, and of Andres Nin (although by opposing sides), certainly was a "dark side" of the SCW!
OOooops sorry, back to gaming.
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Ah... of course there is a dark side to war, any war... but I distinctly said gaming. :)
In any case, having read some of Lorca's poetry it is possible that his killer was just a critic. ;)
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Yes Arlequín, I cannot read Spanish so I cannot judge poetry. I just reacted about... modern feelings.
But about gaming, yes - I could play any side (and still think about what they have done). :)
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I understand that the SCW lists may be released over the Xmas holidays and after i get my paws on the RB ... :D
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I can't give you a set date, but certainly not before and 'probably' more like the first week of the New Year... maybe. But they are coming.
:D
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Ha ha - ok I'll behave and wait. Legion first though, eh eh? [grin]
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Dude, I just write the screenplay, I don't direct the movie. :D
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Fair play chap :-)
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I'm pretty sure La Legión are very much towards the front though, from what I recall of the conversation. Besides being one of the 'first to fight', the learning curve between the basic 'Army' lists in the special and them (as well as the Moroccans) is slight. 'I imagine' that the Republic's militia are first out though, so that gaming can commence.
Regardless the gap between lists will probably be measured in weeks, if not days, Mr Lard's workload not withstanding, once they are delivered to him that is. We've grudgingly allowed him a day or so for Christmas too.
::)
;)
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Gents,
The Specific Rules and Playsheet for Chain of Command:Espana are now available from the Lard Island blog. Army lists to follow.
http://toofatlardies.co.uk/blog/?p=2187
Cheers
Happy Wanderer
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That is great news chaps. Muchos
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I'm happily printing off the SCW and lists. La Legion is now available I see. Good work fellas
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Awesome! So far feedback has been positive, except on my use of Spanish. ;)
It is a strange language, no problem reading and understanding it, the trouble seems to start when I try to use it myself. lol
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Also learnt about CoC Spanish Civil War supplement. Already downloaded all PDFs published so far --and likely going to purchase CoC basic ruleset too. I guess these rules can also be used with 20mm miniatures?
Lluís
www.minairons.eu (http://www.minairons.eu/)
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You can play CoC with anything and given the ground scale, 20mm should actually look better than 28mm, with 15mm being pretty much perfect.
I hope so anyway, as I'm very tempted to do it in 20mm myself... I hear someone is making some. ;)
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Gents, Chain of Command works really well in 20mm and without any need for conversion or modification.
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I'm rejigging my SCW [and WW2] collection of figures for Chain of Command.
Ordered a pair of light mortars for La Legion plus some Observer/Scouts (and a pack of Civil Guard) from Empress
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Scrivs has agreed to show me the CoC ropes and our first game is planned for Thurs.
Ady Mac may be joining us.
I'm planning on using "Hardened" Peoples Militia against La Legion.
Looking forward to it ..
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Stanley,
We did just that days ago!...La Legion (defending) vs Hardened Militia (attacking). It was a scenario from the Iron Ivan campaign book.
http://toofatlardies.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=838&sid=74490bce2d42147db4c7a31b5fd1593c
A word of caution. ;)
Do not expect to divide your militia force and 'dance'. You have 4 command dice....keep your force together and expect the Legion to get back to back phases...it's going to happen if he runs them as Regulars: 6CD...its part of HIS plan.
Do not expend Platoon Force Rating support list choice on lots of extra stuff. Make what you have, better, as you still only have 4CD..it's a limitation. Put another way, try and gain benefits from the list to maximise the use of these 4CD. La Legion is quality and will pick you off if you come up piece meal!!!!
...alternatively throw caution to the wind and have at it as you wish :D
Good luck and tell us how it goes. ;D
Happy Wanderer
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Thanks fella.
This is very much a learning exercise for me, having only read through the rules but not played yet.
Don't the Militia get the option of defending in an appropriate scenario?
I'll run La Legion as Regulars rather than Elite to really show the difference between the two (I'll let Scrivs/Ady have choice of forces although i'm likely to play Militia)
What would you say a good scenario would be to start with?
I'll have to dig out my copy of the Iron Ivan SCW Campaign book :)
Best,
James
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"Don't the Militia get the option of defending in an appropriate scenario?"
Yes. But if your thinking of attacking, well, I though I'd just mention it!...alot of points are valid though. Over sizing your force with the 4CD restriction means you will not be able to use them all each phase so the smart Legion player will hit you either with concentration or all along the line so you can't respond...watch out! ;)
"I'll run La Legion as Regulars rather than Elite to really show the difference between the two (I'll let Scrivs/Ady have choice of forces although i'm likely to play Militia)"
I think the Legion are best represented by Regular:CD6 myself.
"What would you say a good scenario would be to start with?"
Patrol, Attack/Defend, or Objective.....IMHO.
"I'll have to dig out my copy of the Iron Ivan SCW Campaign book"
Full of good stuff. Lots of useful ideas and there isn't any reason not to change the forces up a bit.
Let us know how you get on.
Happy Wanderer
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Brilliant! Muchos
I have also replied on TFL asking how you dealt with Supports (in fact i'll put it on here for ease)
J
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"So what Supports in full did you settle on for the Militia and La Legion? Sorry if that's a daft question; i see you mention the Armoured Truck and off table Artillery for the Militia but you also mention (additional?) Asaltos.
Did you use balanced lists or play the forces from the Campaign"
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..cross posted for TFL CoC
from memory...never a good idea....
The Legion got an off table 50mm mortar with spotter...treated just like any on-table mortar. We applied the CoC:Espana rules for direction of the mortar i.e. a spotter and leaders begin able to do this as per the SCW specific limitations...don't forget those!
The Militia got a Dynamic Leader which we called a Ranking Leader..no doubt the Big Hombre wanted to oversee the attack and get all the glory!!!...well almost!
R
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Thanks mate
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Ok, this is taking shape ... :D
I'm going to use Scenario 6: Attack on an Objective with the People's Militia using No Pasaran! (and electing to defend a village). The Objective being the village Church which has deep meaning for the Legion's Teniente ... [sniff]
As i don't have the two 50mm Mortars for La Legion (and spare Legionarios/Observer-Scouts) i'll replace those with a Bilbao armoured car.
Rather than role 2D6 for the Legion's Support I'm just going to give them the 81mm Mortar Section with Observer [list 4].
Now, lets see if i've got this bit straight .... The People's Militia Platoon Force Rating is -8 (Green), La Legion's is +9 (Regulars).
So, the Militia has 19 Support choices to choose from being the difference between the two plus half of the cost of the Legions support; [-8] + 9 + 2 = 19.
If so, the Militia will choose:
"El Hombre" [1]
Two Automatic Rifles [1]
An LMG [1]
Hand Grenades for a single team [1]
A 3-man Squad with Molotovs [1]
Add Tripod MMG to a Squad [2]*
Flag [2]
Delegado Politico [2]
Hardened Milicianos [4]
Asalto Section [4]
So far so good?
James
*rather than the Pre-Game Artillery Barrage[/list]
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...all looks good.
The Legion is going to have to use every one of those command dice to get the job done.....no cake walk for sure.
...so the Legion player's key points to note are that he has to move to engage his enemy largely without losses. His troops are Diehard so he ignores Shock (very important), he will likely get several back to back phase (might be the difference when crossing that deadly space).
In combat he is at an advantage and do not charge troops with MGs for defence. Crtically he has a mortar that he needs to get into action ASAP so he can barrage an area, PIN his enemy and force his way into the church. They will be in hard cover anyway so pinning is important as this drives their firepower and combat power down by half....very important!
Lots to do, but levering off all these advantages, a cover Legion leader has a chance. he'll need to use all his advantages!!!
Looking forward to seeing how this spins out. :D
Happy Wanderer
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...all looks good.
The Legion is going to have to use every one of those command dice to get the job done.....no cake walk for sure.
...so the Legion player's key points to note are that he has to move to engage his enemy largely without losses. His troops are Diehard so he ignores Shock (very important), he will likely get several back to back phase (might be the difference when crossing that deadly space).
In combat he is at an advantage and do not charge troops with MGs for defence. Crtically he has a mortar that he needs to get into action ASAP so he can barrage an area, PIN his enemy and force his way into the church. They will be in hard cover anyway so pinning is important as this drives their firepower and combat power down by half....very important!
Lots to do, but levering off all these advantages, a cover Legion leader has a chance. he'll need to use all his advantages!!!
Looking forward to seeing how this spins out. :D
Happy Wanderer
Thank you chap - all noted and understood.
I'll post photos and an AAR
PS. Rats! I was looking forward to Tear-Gasing the Legion with the Asaltos!! lol
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Ok, a slight change of plan for the game on Thurs.
It has been suggested that we keep it simple, with similar forces, for the first game and then build it up.
So, Scenario 1 – Patrol, seeing the Internationals/British Brigade (Regular: +6 (1937) “+1 Force Morale, Aggressive & Die Hard” taking on La Legion (Regular: +9 “Die Hard”. Both have Command Dice: 6
Again, I’ll substitute the Legion’s Mortars for a Bilbao armoured car (a Support choice level 2 giving a net gain of +1 as they’re losing the mortars) and give the IB the following four levels of Support:
A. 50mm Mortar (compulsory) (2 x 1)
B. Molotov Cocktails (1)
C. LMG (1)
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An excellent first game.
Scrivs, resplendent in his British Battalion T-shirt, opted for the IB which left me with La Legion. I declined the invitation to give the correct (sic) salute on camera ...
Paul is putting together an AAR on his Blog so i'll do a link to that when it is up.
As it was a training game we also abandoned the use of Spotters/Mortars and concentrated on the infantry action.
My goodness the Legion are tough! They were so forgiving, especially when in cover, of my poor attempts at co-ordinating attacks.
With a Force Morale of 11 against the IB's 8, shooting eventually took its toll on the Republican troops particularly as their Junior Leaders were in the thick of it and were taking casualties (lucky shots).
We called it a day when the Brigaders' Force Morale dropped below 5 and as time was getting on.
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Looks great.
Who made the building etc ?
Did the Italians use the CV33 in green or did they repaint them for the SCW ?
have one picture from Spanish book, but not sure if it is 100% correct
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/dburns_04/CV3_zpsde199189.jpg)
one looks Grey and the second looks Green with brown?
I am interested in this, since I pick the whole Force of Arms range plus a horde of his models cheep :D , I have a few :o Empress miniatures figures etc too.
Should pick up some figures of my caster next week.
Did you have to do much changes for Chain of Command ?
I was thinking of using Bolt action or Triumph & Tragedy for SCW.
Cheers
David
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Hi.
CV33 - i don't honestly know. Mine arrived that morning from a batch of reinforcements from Flags of War
The buildings are Grand Manner.
BA works for SCW but imuch prefer CoC - there are dedicated amendments and specific lists.
Best,
James
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Thanks for the information
I hope to have some free time to paint up my SCW in April
I just got the Christmas 2013 special, look great.
Hope to pick up the rules at York, since it cheaper than printing 105 pages of the PDF which I will read till then.
any good painting guides for SCW ?
Cheers
David
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Hi David,
Check out the Tips and Resources Sticky at the top of this Board for painting guides etc
Best
James