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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Doug ex-em4 on January 19, 2014, 10:30:28 PM
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I've got some dwarves to paint. They are armoured from head to toe. I tried undercoating in black then dry-brushing gunmetal but it looks horrible. Then I tried totally painting in gunmetal followed up by a black wash and that looks poor as well. Any better ideas gratefully accepted.
Thanks
Doug
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I wolud say undercoat in black, drybrush in a gunmetal mixed with black then drybrush gunmetal, then light drybrush with a silver for highlights. Then use a black was to tone down and blend things abit. How about a pic so we can give more specific advice?
Papa Spanky
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I actually burnish unprimed bare metal (slow speeds and easy pressure with a dremel wirebrush), then apply ink washes, usually Devlan Mud, or whatever its replacement is now.
Yes, this means that when I prime figures, I have to leave armour, swords, etc. unprimed - but I prime with a brush anyway. Sounds like you might not need to prime too much if they're armoured from head to toe though.
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Gun Metal is too dark. I would basecoat with a midtone metal like PP's Pig Iron. The wash with something like Army Painter Light Tone or the Secret Weapon Soft Black. Nothing too dark but enough to give it a decent shading coat. Then drybrush with a bright metal and then again with silver.
If you want it to really pop after that give it a light blue ink wash (cut the ink with some water) and then a quick highlight or another quick drybrush.
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I wolud say undercoat in black, drybrush in a gunmetal mixed with black then drybrush gunmetal, then light drybrush with a silver for highlights. Then use a black was to tone down and blend things abit. How about a pic so we can give more specific advice?
Papa Spanky
I do something similar, I use a very dry-drybrush on plate etc or scale. What can also work well is to pick out items like chain mail etc with branze/copper and gold to give a little more variation in metals
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I usually put a metallic basecoat on over black undercoat and then use washes to get shade. Maybe the odd silver highlight here and there afterwards, depending on the effect I'm after.
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I usually put a metallic basecoat on over black undercoat and then use washes to get shade. Maybe the odd silver highlight here and there afterwards, depending on the effect I'm after.
Pretty much my approach too. Although I tend to be pretty generous with the silver highlights cos I like shiny armour! ;)
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I think Papa Spanky's technique looks like the way for me to try first. I like the idea of mixing the gunmetal with black because the Vallejo gunmetal I'm using is way too bright - almost silver - I guess pixelgeek is using a different make if he finds it too dark.
I can't really try the burnishing of the unpainted metal route suggested by FramFramson 'cos they are already undercoated in black.
I like Lowtargog's suggestion of picking out bits in other metallic colours.
I'll also try another figure using the slightly different ideas of Cubs supported by Captain Blood - I've seen his armour painting up close and it was great but i don't think I could emulate it no matter what technique i used....!
Thanks for the tips, chaps.
Doug
ps @ papa spanky - nothing to show in pics yet apart from 1 figure that was undercoated, dry-brushed then over painted with a gunmetal and is now too embarrassed to show himself.
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I use GW colours- black base coat spray, then mix chain mail and black, for the base coat, the highlight with just chain mail, then mix chain and mithryl silver for the next highlight- the final highlight just on the sharp edges is in just mithryl silver. If that looks too bright I use an Army Painter Strong tone wash but only in the recesses- not over the whole model, as that looks dirty.
Hope this helps
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Undercoat with matt black enamal, when dry rub it off with fine grade wire wool, job done ;)
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- nothing to show in pics yet apart from 1 figure that was undercoated, dry-brushed then over painted with a gunmetal and is now too embarrassed to show himself.
no worries and nothing is too embarassing to ask for help on. I do something similar, I use a very dry-drybrush on plate etc or scale. What can also work well is to pick out items like chain mail etc with branze/copper and gold to give a little more variation in metals
This. Quite effective with all armored figures to give variation.
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Well, I painted them in the end. I had to plough on because I needed a photo of the set painted.
I thought it was going OK but when I viewed the finished article, I didn't really think the dwarves, their armour especially, had worked very well.
I have no claims to be a painter althogh I quite enjoy it. Tell me what you think and how they could be improved:
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/DGWC2b_zps79ef0e07.jpg)
Doug
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I don't think there's anything wrong with that armour, it looks fine to me. I'm not trying to be kind and polite in not criticising, I really don't see anything amiss.
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I have no claims to be a painter althogh I quite enjoy it. Tell me what you think and how they could be improved:
You painted these and enjoyed doing it. Congratulations, you're a painter.
These look really good actually for all your fretting over them. I think the bigger problem you have is not your paint skills, it those horrid dwarf sculpts, IMHO. But if you want some improvement suggestions...
The two guys in front have some sort of trim on the mail "skirt" trim it in brass, bronze or gold. Same with the plates on the waist of the first guy.(I forget what those are called)The middle guys beard blends with his armor too much. make him a redbeard or his beard more white. The hands seem to be wearing mittens. If there is no discernable plates on the gauntlets, paint them black or brown and make them leather.
You can paint well. The banner, bench and the robed guy proves that. I think you are getting stuck on what you think traditional armor should look like and its blocking you from letting you creativity flow.
Good luck!
Spanky
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Job's a good 'un.
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You painted these and enjoyed doing it. Congratulations, you're a painter.
These look really good actually for all your fretting over them. I think the bigger problem you have is not your paint skills, it those horrid dwarf sculpts, IMHO. But if you want some improvement suggestions...
The two guys in front have some sort of trim on the mail "skirt" trim it in brass, bronze or gold. Same with the plates on the waist of the first guy.(I forget what those are called)The middle guys beard blends with his armor too much. make him a redbeard or his beard more white. The hands seem to be wearing mittens. If there is no discernable plates on the gauntlets, paint them black or brown and make them leather.
You can paint well. The banner, bench and the robed guy proves that. I think you are getting stuck on what you think traditional armor should look like and its blocking you from letting you creativity flow.
Good luck!
Spanky
Well, if I am a painter, it's taken nearly 45 years to get there...! You should see my 20mm Napoleonics from 1970.... :-[
Thanks for the positive comments. I think most people who ask for honest opinions secretly hope that they'll get some good reviews amongst the comments and I'm no exception.
Those trims on the armour skirts - I thought they'd probably be leather so that's how I painted them but it looks a little dull.Also, I thought the mittens were armour - I'll have another look under the lens. I agree totally about the beard on the middle one - I've tried to lighten it up a few times but it still blends with the armour too much.
I liked painting the one in the robes best, along with the table.
Thanks again for your encouragement, especially to the indefatigable papaspanky (where did you get that handle from?).
That's enough dwarves for now - back to VBCWW.
Doug
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Thanks again for your encouragement, especially to the indefatigable papaspanky (where did you get that handle from?).
You're welcome! As for the nickname, I got it early in my career from a co-worker. Here is the backstory:
When I was 12 I was hit by a car, and lost 18 inches of small intestine. Because of this, I tend to frequent the bathroom more than the rest of the normal world. When I began my career as a firefighter, that didnt go unnoticed. Now, firefighters tend to be a bit on the crass side, joke around, and like to use nicknames . One day a fellow co-worker suggested at our morning meeting that my bathroom visits were more "recreational". (the words "spank" and "monkey" were thrown around) :o Everyone had a laugh and added to the joke, and out of it Spanky was born. It stuck because I'm also short and bossy like the leader from the 1930's show "Our Gang" (The Little Rascals)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568757/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2
As I got older and found out I was having my first child, another co-worker called me Papa Spanky. Now 20 years and 4 children later, its as much a part of me as my middle name. Some still call me Spanky or even shorten it to Spanks, but I answer to all forms. :)
Hey, you asked.
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Not many people know how to use a semi-colon properly.
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I see what you did there. lol (it took me a little bit, truth be told)
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Back undercoat -> metal -> wash ->highlight with metal -> wash again, maybe brown instead of black wash -> highlight with metal -> wash again -> repeat until happy :)
Note the washes have to be thinned down
Painted this guy like that a while back:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/-LyqYAd2vyWc/UpElKxReH-I/AAAAAAAALT4/_cO23CENo8A/s1024/ROC4.jpg)