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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Elk101 on 20 February 2014, 09:36:27 AM
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I'm looking at using my new Empress PLA and US special forces in a northern Vietnam setting; a near future Re-hash of the '79 war, if you will. I've been trying to find out a bit more about the modern VPA, including Google translations of Vietnamese sites (it's an interesting experience). The modern VPA infantryman doesn't seem to look too different to the 1990s PLA infantryman, but that's my highly limited knowledge of a new epoch eyes!
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/ground-warfare/50430-vietnam-peoples-army-8.html
The link above shows some of the best imaged I could find to date. Any thoughts on suitable figures to match Empress (28mm)?
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Thank you?
Edited thanks to autocorrect changing VPA to GPS and PLA to PAL. Thanks autocorrect
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I think your best option will be to paint the new Empress PLA in Vietnamese uniform colours.
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I think your best option will be to paint the new Empress PLA in Vietnamese uniform colours.
I did consider that but the VPA don't seem to wear the same body armour and seem to be armed mainly with the AKM and the vz. 58. which don't look anythikng like the current PLA standard issue. I realise I'll never get an actual spot on match though!
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I'd be tempted to use the Eureka ANP figures in helmets for the VPA:
http://eurekamin.com.au/news.php?newsid=EFluFEVFZuaPokBadY
They've got Soviet weapons and PASGT helmets. You could hide the body armour with extra web gear and a Type 07 camo paint job?
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I'd be tempted to use the Eureka ANP figures in helmets for the VPA:
http://eurekamin.com.au/news.php?newsid=EFluFEVFZuaPokBadY
They've got Soviet weapons and PASGT helmets. You could hide the body armour with extra web gear and a Type 07 camo paint job?
That's not a bad call at all! Flak body armour may not be out of the question in a combat situation, just maybe not current PLA gear. Thanks Earther.
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Seems like you could use NVA regulars from the Vietnam war as second line troopers/militia, only they are in some dark green colour as opposed to khaki. With growing relations with the U.S its likely they may end up with a lot of ex-U.S army kit from the 90s/00s.
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Probably your best bet is to use the Eureka Musorians, that's what I have done. AKMs are still the principle weapon, body armour seems relatively uncommon and many still use Soviet steel helmets. PLA miniatures look nothing like the Vietnamese.
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I was actually thinking of doing some thing similar. Using the Musorians as rebels in china or as VPA. How well do the Musorians scale up to the empress moderns?
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I was actually thinking of doing some thing similar. Using the Musorians as rebels in china or as VPA. How well do the Musorians scale up to the empress moderns?
They are smaller but then it was oft remarked that Chinese volunteers serving with the NVA were generally taller and more robust. If it bothers you creative basing should overcome any problems. It doesn't bother me particularly but your mileage may vary.
Last year I found some interesting photos of Vietnamese defences on the Spratlys. The larger islands have some interesting kit, dug in ZU-23 AA and even the turret of a PT-76 being used as a fortification.
If you are worried about your VPA not being equipped with the latest uniforms and kit, just remember that when China invaded in 1979 most of the Vietnamese opposition was, at least initially, a collection of territorial, second line and militia units, the regulars mostly being in Cambodia at the time.
I did suggest that Empress might look at Vietnamese as credible opponents for their PLA but the suggestion was pooh-poohed. Apparently armies that will, in all likelihood, never face off are preferable to those with an established history of conflict. Allegedly they won't sell and for all I know they are probably right.
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A few years old but give a reasonable impression.
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/naval-warfare/15615d1249908372-vietnam-peoples-navy-spratly_03.bmp
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/naval-forces/15617d1249908372-vietnam-peoples-navy-spratly_05.jpg
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/naval-warfare/15616d1249908372-vietnam-peoples-navy-spratly_04.bmp
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/naval-warfare/15614d1249908372-vietnam-peoples-navy-spratly_02.bmp
Eureka sell separate chest rig pouches for their modern French if you want to give the Musorians chicom style chest rigs.
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Square rig options. I have painted one or two of the Musorians this way.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/spratly-monks-04132012164145.html/vietnam-spratly-sailors-305.jpg/image
In similar vein, the Kriegspiel USMC might make reasonable proxies for Filipino marines as might a number of Vietnam War ranges with head swaps. If the Ebob/ Recon 28 range ever does eventuate, I see potential there.
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Neat, scale only really bugs me when it comes to things like the weapons being over sized of under sized. Becase people come in all shapes and sizes.
I am just at 5'8 in height and most of my buddies in the army were at least 5'11. I was the shortest guy in my platoon for about a year.
And we had one guy in the company across from us that was so big that he had to have the sleeves of his uniforms tailor made. Also carried a Saw as his personal weapon because the M-4 looked like a kids toy In his hands, and he had to exist a C-130s door side ways because he was just to wide across his chest.
I am like the VPA idea more and more. To bad they didn't make any crew served kit for them. Might have to borrow from the Taliban range.
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Ask Nic for some of the seated driver figures that go with the M113, they make great seated crewmen, swap heads with a Muso and Bob is the proverbial sibling of one of your parents. I've used them for everything over the years, Portguese jeep drivers ZU-23 crew, etc, etc.
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Now that's using the old gray matter.
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Some great ideas guys. I would never have thought of using the Musorians, I was only vaguely aware that Eureka did them. Thanks!
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I did suggest that Empress might look at Vietnamese as credible opponents for their PLA but the suggestion was pooh-poohed. Apparently armies that will, in all likelihood, never face off are preferable to those with an established history of conflict. Allegedly they won't sell and for all I know they are probably right.
I think I recall that on the KS comments page and I thought it was a good idea, not that that carries much weight! To flip things around, maybe Empress could do some VPA and also market them as Musorians! I'd like to see them do some Japanese too.
Seems like you could use NVA regulars from the Vietnam war as second line troopers/militia, only they are in some dark green colour as opposed to khaki. With growing relations with the U.S its likely they may end up with a lot of ex-U.S army kit from the 90s/00s.
That would be handy.
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I think you'll find they have enough captured, re-conditioned or even perhaps, reverse engineered, versions of US gear to keep them going for a while.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/adamantan/Vietnam%20People%20Army/vndf2.jpg
http://i28.servimg.com/u/f28/11/28/71/91/vietna17.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/adamantan/Vietnam%20People%20Army/vndefenceinfo.jpg
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If I remember correctly, lots of those old M16s are just retooled from the ones captured after the fall of Saigon. Also I thought I read some place that they recently made a factory that makes M16 and even "Tavor" knock offs.
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Hey elk 101 I have to overwhelmingly endorse the musorians for use with empress over the last year and change I have been painting these guys up for exactly this a south East Asian country being over run by there big neighbor to the north they have lots of character and paint up very nice you can take a look at some painted examples in these pages under my musorians burning thread they are very very nice mix in some of eureka a Vietnamese NVA for flavor and some of there new ANP and you have a very healthy mix be careful though with the ANP as some have full beards hope this helps just my 2 cents
D out
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Dsmith can you post a link to your musorians burning thread?
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they all had AK variants when I was there.
They also have 4 hind gunships at Da Nang and some fighters too that I saw.
As for a possible opponent to the PLA i say hell yes.
they will have a shooting war over the south china sea soon.
The Chinese just can't bear to admit that the Vietnamese are the kings of soup. I see a soup nazi war in the offing where the PLAN make a grab for some birdshit covered speck of sand in the South China Sea and the Vietnamese respond by saying "No soup for you!"
:)
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Hey elk 101 I have to overwhelmingly endorse the musorians for use with empress over the last year and change I have been painting these guys up for exactly this a south East Asian country being over run by there big neighbor to the north they have lots of character and paint up very nice you can take a look at some painted examples in these pages under my musorians burning thread they are very very nice mix in some of eureka a Vietnamese NVA for flavor and some of there new ANP and you have a very healthy mix be careful though with the ANP as some have full beards hope this helps just my 2 cents
D out
Thanks, I'll take a look. :)
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As an addendum, does anyone know if the VPA maintain the same or similar section organisation as their Vietnam War counterparts? I've not yet found anything on this online.
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Not sure, but I suspect they maintain a 9 man, three x three man cell squad structure. That's what our pams suggested in the 'eighties and our notional enemy was still largely based on the Vietnam War experience just like our clothing, equipment, weapons and rations.... :(